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On January 22 2014 01:41 gonzaw wrote:(as scum) Again, it doesn't seem that's Foo posting, but another more "trolly" player. He's abrasive, and makes little effort in appearing helpful. He doesn't explain himself, seemingly makes posts without thinking about them beforehand, makes baseless accusations, and basically trolls and goofs around. Pair Liar Game and Personality 2's filters on one hand, and the rest, and you can easily see some differences and similarities. But yes, at some points, town foo can get a little carried away (like in Personality), and at times scum Foo "try-hards" into making fluff posts. But those don't usually happen, and even if they did, you can still get a read on him. Now, when I see posts like these: Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 15:41 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
This game just got a whole lot easier. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 15:45 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2014 15:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 21 2014 15:41 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
This game just got a whole lot easier. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow o.O Welp, don't know what to make of that, so I'ma ignore it for now. Welcome to the game Foolishness? Wait. Wait. If you are going to ignore it, why did you respond to it? It's not hard to see which one of those two different attitudes it reminds you of. Doesn't explain himself, makes baseless accusations, etc. He also makes some seemingly "casual" response, like the "Wait. Wait" thing. That's not the way I see town Foo posting. It's a small thing, but it does add a sense of "this is wrong" to his post. When Foo starts posting and you get that feeling, he is likely scum.
This literally answers your question austin.
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Austin, let's not chat. Tell me who you want to lynch. We need a lynch, YOU need a lynch (if you are town).
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Actually, if you want to chat, let's chat austin.
On January 22 2014 07:11 austinmcc wrote:
I actually like point 2 on holy's post about hapa (the backpedaling) and kinda sorta like the contradictory NO LURKERS --> why you guys voting this lurker/that lurker/any lurker stuff. Mainly still just want to see him and hapa chatting in a vacuum right now though.
So, what about Holy?
You mentioned this right after I made my "case" against him and Hapa made some points against him as well (which you agreed here). So? You never mention him again. You don't mention him right now.
What's up with you and Foolishness? Okay, apparently you don't agree with my meta case (for some reason). Okay, that's not too bad I guess. But what about his actual first posts? You think they are GOOD? You only defend him against me attacking him for being "trolly" and the meta case, but what do you think about those posts he made?
On January 22 2014 06:54 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 06:35 gonzaw wrote:
Then you have people like Holy or austin saying "Leave Foo alone! You can't do anything until he posts more!". That is what I call bullshit. Can't speak for holy, but with me, it's that given the full menu of anything anyone could be doing, discussion of Foolishness's alignment doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I don't personally feel confident about reading THOSE 3-4 posts as alignment indicative, and don't feel comfortable with reading Foolishness right now. I don't understand anyone else feeling like the BEST read they can get on some scummy dudes is Foolishness. Mainly though, it seems like...good material for scum to post on. Weigh in that he's town, scum, a crocodile, whatever. You can say whatever you want about Foolishness, discuss his alignment until you're blue in the face, but really it comes down to "I think this thing about these 3-4 trolly/nothingposts." Given that, I think it's a more productive topic for scum (they get to post, give reads, but I don't anticipate anyone being lynched later on based primarily/heavily on whatever stance they took on Foolishness right at this second), than it is for town. That's why I don't think discussion should be centered on Foolishness, or heavily concerned with him. I care somewhat about him and his posting, but mainly it feels like a topic that allows mafia to freely post and keep discussion on Foolishness.
Ignoring the fact this is all fluffy "oh, I don't want to talk about Foolishness because scum are surely going to discuss Foolishness!", what about now?
Nobody gives a shit about Foo right now. Only WOS and VE briefly discussed him, nothing more. So I guess there are no "mafia freely posting and keeping discussion on Foolishness" right? If so it completely invalidates this "defense" of him (or rather, avoidance of making a read on him), so you could as well start having a discussion centered on Foolishness.
You can start by, like, posting what you think of his 2 "big" posts, and his reads and stuff.
On January 23 2014 04:21 austinmcc wrote:
Not pointless. You want to lynch Foolishness, either a bunch or to a decent degree.
You've got some problems with his play.
Looking at Parallel Worlds, i do not see the same stuff there as here. scumFoolishness there wasn't trolly, dropping dumb votes, etc.
On December 12 2012 10:17 Foolishness wrote:
I don't even think it's worthwhile to bother with the swapping. Knowing Greymist there's probably random swaps every night whether we want them or not. We have to lynch someone, we figure out who. Other world should be figuring out who they want to lynch tomorrow.
Anyways I'm voting for marvellosity cause he's mafia.
##Vote: marvellosity
WRONG.
Anyways, you seem to be making a meta case FOR his posts not being scummy. Does that mean you think his early 3 posts were not scummy? Why austin? Everybody basically agrees they are somewhat scummy. Why are you DEFENDING those posts of his via some weird meta?
Take those posts for what they are, posts from a player playing this game. What do they tell you?
At the very least, I take issue with 1 and 4 above in your summary of bad things about Foolishness. 3 is a perfectly legitimate question for anyone who was townie on Foolishness because of his reads in particular.
Why do you take issue with 1? You think it doesn't matter that Foo has his vote on a guy he doesn't want to lynch?
And about 3, what do you believe? Yes, it's a perfectly legitimate question, so please answer it austin, don't wait for others to do so for you
Also, what's up with you and chatting? I thought WOS had an obsession with it, but you seem to be OCD about it wtf
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Okay kita, I'll give you the direction: Today we either lynch austin or Foolishness
You like that then?
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On January 23 2014 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
And for the record I probably am probably scummier on inactive Foolishness than inactive sandroba. Could be bias because I have precedent in PYP for sandroba in terms of an early game lurk then blasting onto the scene, but as was mentioend before (I forget by who atm?) sandroba was actively engaging the thread when he was around, whereas Foolishness basically hasn't talked to anyone, he just threw stuff and fucked off multiple times.
That'd be a sexy sexy man
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Well, that's all cool austin, but that stuff makes me want to lynch you. If you convince me to not lynch Foolishness, by proxy you convince me to lynch you. I'd advise you then to convince me to lynch someone else.
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On January 23 2014 04:51 kitaman27 wrote:
Those are two people on my short list, but I wouldn't single those guys out from sandroba or marv. For the sake of consolidating, I'd be satisfied with those two as the main candidate, but the final vote would still likely be based on their final posts.
Well, if you don't like them then get to it.
Sorry for getting too jiggly with it, but let's get some consolidation please? You are here complaining about the direction and not knowing what to do. I'm trying to get you to do something then. Same with others
Can you tell me what you think about the stuff austin posted (i.e his "bad" post)? What about his read on Foolishness, or the fact he doesn't post anything substantial whatsoever?
Anything you want to add?
If you guys want to single out marv, well, okay. But please put more effort into it. Like, check his previous scum/town games, or put something with more substance as a case. Although I don't really want to go read it (it's kind of long), I don't really have any conflicts with marv's play this game, and, for instance, MTG Mini Mafia 2.
The "strange" thing though, is that I don't think I ever played with scum marv with me being town. That was primarily my reason for FoSing him in MTG (since he was playing different than the "usual" town marv). I guess it does mean I don't really know how he'd play as scum against me lol.
Anyways, this marv doesn't really seem like he has an agenda. I think I read some previous scum game of his, were you could see he was casting suspicion on people, trying to do "stuff", etc. He's harmless in this game.
I also think that marv kind of is using town strategies this game. Like, early on, he said he was gaining some reads, while he was poking people, etc, but he didn't post anything else about them. Marv is a big advocate of the "Keep town in a need to know basis" town strategy. His behaviour early on this D1 certainly felt like that. I couldn't really think of a scenario where he'd do that as scum willingly (it'd either be pointless or too unnecessarily complex)
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On January 23 2014 04:53 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 04:30 gonzaw wrote:On January 22 2014 01:41 gonzaw wrote:(as scum) Again, it doesn't seem that's Foo posting, but another more "trolly" player. He's abrasive, and makes little effort in appearing helpful. He doesn't explain himself, seemingly makes posts without thinking about them beforehand, makes baseless accusations, and basically trolls and goofs around. Pair Liar Game and Personality 2's filters on one hand, and the rest, and you can easily see some differences and similarities. But yes, at some points, town foo can get a little carried away (like in Personality), and at times scum Foo "try-hards" into making fluff posts. But those don't usually happen, and even if they did, you can still get a read on him. Now, when I see posts like these: On January 21 2014 15:41 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
This game just got a whole lot easier. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow On January 21 2014 15:45 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2014 15:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 21 2014 15:41 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
This game just got a whole lot easier. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow o.O Welp, don't know what to make of that, so I'ma ignore it for now. Welcome to the game Foolishness? Wait. Wait. If you are going to ignore it, why did you respond to it? It's not hard to see which one of those two different attitudes it reminds you of. Doesn't explain himself, makes baseless accusations, etc. He also makes some seemingly "casual" response, like the "Wait. Wait" thing. That's not the way I see town Foo posting. It's a small thing, but it does add a sense of "this is wrong" to his post. When Foo starts posting and you get that feeling, he is likely scum. This literally answers your question austin. I wasn't around for Liar Game. I was around for scum Foolishness in Parallel Worlds. There I see more real posts, much less trolly stuff, from Scum Foolishness, before pressure really on him and after. People are also drawing on Parallel Worlds for the "Big Post" thing, because Foolishness made a big "direct-the-thread" post there once under pressure, similar to his post here, and what I believe he did in AFK Champions Mafia on that other site. I don't know that Liar Game is a great game to pull a meta from, given how HEAVILY themed it was and the way that voting worked that game. I know you remember it better than I. Parallel Worlds also pretty heavily themed, but the lynch mechanics were, I would argue, more normal than in Liar Game.
You would say that a heavily themed game would make a Scum Foolishness be MORE aggressive/confident than in an All-Vanilla game, or the opposite austin?
I don't really see a contradiction with a Scum Foo feeling more "intimidated", or (maybe a better term) "not knowing what to do" (thus not really posting much "real posts" with "less trolly stuff") in an All-Vanilla game where there is no setup discussion, no wacky mechanics, no PMs, to hide in, than in a Heavily Themed game where there is.
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Anyways, okay, I'm talking too much.
Get to it people
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Also please respond to the other stuff, like the "scum will talk about Foolishness!" stuff, or the "His early posts are fine! When he was scum in this specific game he didn't do that, therefore his posts this game are pro-town!" argument you are implying, or the other stuff I mentioned.
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On January 23 2014 05:07 Foolishness wrote:
As I also said in my recent post, you dying would answer a lot of questions. Not that that's going to happen anytime soon (or ever really).
Yeah of course. See scum? I'll live for the rest of the game, there is nothing you can do about it!
*wink* *wink*
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Anyways, Foo, I'll assume your vote is not real since you haven't addressed any of Prome's new posts. I'll assume you just parked it there and now will calmly read the thread and Prome's filter and address his new posts and suspicions and either incorporate them to your case or change your mind about Prome
Right?
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On January 23 2014 05:07 Foolishness wrote:
1) I explained why I kept my vote on WoS, since then he has responded and I liked what he said. He's being very affirmative and speaking his thoughts. When I first accused him early in the day I thought the opposite of this (also explained in my earlier posts). Now he's here, he's posting, and he's trying for the town. And that's the direction I started to lean towards when I made my big post. My vote on WoS was to affirm this suspicion, and also to get other people to comment on it.
Sorry that doesn't make much sense to me. I'd think after "getting obvious scum" Holy (based on your post) you wouldn't really care about "pressuring" WoS with that vote, and would care more about, you know, voting scum.
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Foolishness, who of these 2 is mafia?
sandroba
marvellosity
Assume you HAVE to pick ONLY ONE of them. Which one do you pick and why?
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On January 23 2014 05:17 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:14 gonzaw wrote:
Anyways, Foo, I'll assume your vote is not real since you haven't addressed any of Prome's new posts. I'll assume you just parked it there and now will calmly read the thread and Prome's filter and address his new posts and suspicions and either incorporate them to your case or change your mind about Prome
Right? 100% Real. I have read it. Nothing has changed. Also it is clear that in the last few pages you are just searching for arguments against me that aren't there. I responded to your main points and obviously since you have nothing to say about them it is obvious that there is nothing to say about them (cause there isn't!)
You are creating the arguments yourself, by saying stuff like "To explain Austin...You're here and posting, should be obvious that you are town"
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Really Foo? You really believe that stuff you mention about austin? "He's town just because he's posting"
From what I know about Austin (which isn't that much) he likes to make good, long posts with lots of analysis, similar to a Foolishness or Kitaman
Can you please show me those analysis of his from this game?
On January 23 2014 05:44 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:33 gonzaw wrote:
Foolishness, who of these 2 is mafia?
sandroba
marvellosity
Assume you HAVE to pick ONLY ONE of them. Which one do you pick and why? Marvellosity. He's posted a bunch and hasn't done anything. Can you tell me without looking at his filter something that marvellosity has done for the town this game? + Show Spoiler +The real answer to your question is "both"
Do you think it's possible both of them are town?
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On January 23 2014 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
IF VE is scum I will have a big sad.
I'm quickly running out of time as I won't be here for lynch so I may have to sheep someone---my other strong townreads aren't here atm so it may be gonzaw.
Gonzaw assuming you now hold my vote as well and could place it where you wanted, which of the two you mentioned would you put it on?
Foolishness.
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Maybe it's the bias, but sorry Foo your posts make no attempt whatsoever at convincing me you are town.
The way you think austin is like confirmed town...when he STILL doesn't have a SINGLE suspicion nor candidate to lynch, and the fact you say he's making "posts full of analysis, similar to Foolishness". If you mean the Foolishness from THIS game then sure, if you mean the famous Town Foolishness we all remember, then surely you are trolling, right?
You still think Prome is scum while adding nothing new at all, even when your previous case wasn't that great and Prome posted lots of new stuff and made that "stream of consciousness" stuff.
You seem to have lots of town reads you are somehow so confident on with either no (VE) or bad (austin) reasoning, yet you still call them like 100% town. I can't know how you can arrive at those conclusions at all with what's been going on in the thread (i.e you seem to have more info than us, i.e you are scum). You know what they say, if someone is spouting lots of town reads, watch out.
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On January 23 2014 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:54 gonzaw wrote:On January 23 2014 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
IF VE is scum I will have a big sad.
I'm quickly running out of time as I won't be here for lynch so I may have to sheep someone---my other strong townreads aren't here atm so it may be gonzaw.
Gonzaw assuming you now hold my vote as well and could place it where you wanted, which of the two you mentioned would you put it on? Foolishness. So not marv/sandroba then.
Definitely not marv right now. Sandro neither, unless it's only for policy. He's getting modkilled or replaced as well apparently.
If you can't be here by the deadline, well, it kind of sucks we have 1 less "reasonable" vote around.
Vote for whoever you want lynched, and if you don't really know that, vote for whoever you want to have just 1 more vote, so we use that info to determine the correct lynch today.
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