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Gonzaw, VE and I were town in LI, agree?
So far all I'm seeing from you about WoS is about his activity, I go back to his posts, especially those about VE and they just don't make sense. You even pointed it out yourself. How is it that the activity of WoS alone is enough to make him town in your eyes? I just don't get it and you seem to be the only one thinking that way, so what gives?
Anyways I'm off to my place by train and will check out Kita's filter when I'm home. It's probably going to be a decision between Kita and Foolish tomorrow, so I'll focus on those 2.
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On January 27 2014 07:29 marvellosity wrote:
hey austin, no hard feelings buddy. Jeez :p
I would say, austin, that some of your last-man-standing type efforts have actually been some of the most unique things I've seen from TL mafia players. So while you may have a sprinkling of a point with your effort thingy, if you're extrapolating from yourself then I'm not sure that's a correct thing to do or expect ^^
I think the only person I've ever see post that many pages in one phase/cycle as mafia is rayn.
gonzaw has brought it up as conspiracy theory a crapton, so might as well use it against other people than me:
VE and me in LI
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+ Show Spoiler [not game related] +[23:53:37] <Elementaryschool> is tl down for anyone else
[23:54:05] <Ferrose> works for me
[23:54:22] <Elementaryschool> grrr
[23:54:28] <Elementaryschool> i can get on everything but tl
[23:54:41] <ecael> toad with similar problem earlier
[23:54:44] <Elementaryschool> how was tsm vs coast eca
[23:54:49] <Wreakhavoc> when will eca make his return
[23:54:50] <Toad|> yes
[23:54:54] <ecael> boring
[23:54:55] <Toad|> TL down
[23:55:00] * warara (~XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX)
[23:55:08] <Elementaryschool> tl;dr tsmmmmmmmmmmm, eca?
sorry TL has been pinging me out the entire day. I've got some posts in, not even sure if they got through but I'll leave it at this for today and try tomorrow. No idea what this is
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On January 27 2014 20:40 marvellosity wrote:Hey Toad. Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 08:45 Toadesstern wrote:On January 23 2014 06:59 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote:
Fool in brief.
Am I mafia?
Is sand mafia?
Just based on likelihoods, doesn't need to be certain Yes Yes On January 23 2014 06:56 gonzaw wrote:So Foo. The contradiction I found against Holy made you think he was like 100% scum. Next time you come, you say "oh, Holy made that replacement post, maybe I'm overthinking this" and you keep going against Prome. Did Holy's post really convince you he's not that surefire scum you thought he was before? 1) To see how people would respond to it, but mostly to see how he responded. I quoted his first post (which is suspicious as I've already explained) so that you would know where I saw the evidence before I revealed my whole hand. You mean by calling you scum and tunneling you until your D1 lynch? Sounds like a great plan Foolishness! As I said, my posts always accomplish something (besides the one I posted before this cause you guys frustrate me to no end). You want to run wild theories that's fine by me, but I'm pretty sure you find less mafia than I do. Yes, HolyFlare lynch is good. There's no reason to do that despite actually thinking that the Prom lynch is tons better. Sounds very much like a (little bit) paranoid guy who's trying to get the best possible lynch he's seeing. Take into consideration that people were voting him as well and I see no reason for him to ever post like this.[as mafia (marv)] Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 07:45 Toadesstern wrote:He did mention BOTH Holy (aka me) and Sandro early, really early and he has been going on about it + Show Spoiler [example] +On January 23 2014 06:59 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote:
Fool in brief.
Am I mafia?
Is sand mafia?
Just based on likelihoods, doesn't need to be certain Yes Yes Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:56 gonzaw wrote:So Foo. The contradiction I found against Holy made you think he was like 100% scum. Next time you come, you say "oh, Holy made that replacement post, maybe I'm overthinking this" and you keep going against Prome. Did Holy's post really convince you he's not that surefire scum you thought he was before? 1) To see how people would respond to it, but mostly to see how he responded. I quoted his first post (which is suspicious as I've already explained) so that you would know where I saw the evidence before I revealed my whole hand. You mean by calling you scum and tunneling you until your D1 lynch? Sounds like a great plan Foolishness! As I said, my posts always accomplish something (besides the one I posted before this cause you guys frustrate me to no end). You want to run wild theories that's fine by me, but I'm pretty sure you find less mafia than I do. Yes, HolyFlare lynch is good. I find that post to be the prime example of this to be honest. So he thinks Sandro is mafia and very clearly states so, but doesn't vote him, he thinks marv is mafia, he thinks Holy is mafia and I guess he was on prome around that time already? That just doesn't make sense to me and yeah like you said he completly and utterly dropped both Holy and Sandro later on like nothing happened. Marv and Prom are understandable because they voted Sand but the Sand and Holy drops are weird. Could you tell me how your attitude towards the same post morphed so remarkably? It literally went from "i don't see how mafia can post this" to "this is a prime example (of something scummy) and this doesn't make sense to me"
On January 27 2014 20:55 marvellosity wrote:
Toad what's your read on Wave? You seemed quite sure he was mafia one moment and then that kinda disappeared off into the ether when you started finding Fool pretty scummy. Now you're "looking into kita+fool because it's likely to be a decision between those 2 today"
@ 1st quote
First quote inside first quote was something that was right after I finished catching up or very shortly afterwards. I looked through those quickly, saw them and had the kind of "too scummy to be scummy" idea and therefore ignored it.
Austin kept bringing it up so I looked into it again and I found more and more stuff like that that just added up, like when Gonzaw asked me, which seems to be the 2nd quote inside the first quote, asking about basicly the same thing just between Holy <-> Foolish and it stood out to me as something that made no sense.
Now if you look at my case on foolish it's mostly about how he makes sense when he argues, really about whatever, but just suddenly goes full retard whenever he comes to a conclusion and I couldn't agree with anything he said once he got to some kind of conclusion and those things just really added up to a point that I don't think it's a coincidence anymore.
So yeah, at first I only saw that one thing (foolishness calling Sandro mafia and calling Sandro a bad lynch some later) and took it as bad phrasing and his conviction of the prom lynch. The more I saw stuff like that the less I was willing to just take it as a coincicende so it obviously changed from a "whatever" to a "this guy just doesn't make any kind of sense".
@ 2nd quote
He's still up there. Let's use kita-combinatorics to explain this a bit faster because I'm in a rush:
I don't think foolish + WoS makes a lot of sense. Agree? Therefore it's either WoS+Kita or Foolish+Kita for me. That's super simplified but that's about the reason why I'd rather talk about Kita+Foolish today than WoS. Kita because he's in both of these and my piechart and I'd say Foolish is certainly more likely to be mafia than WoS at this point. I still don't give a crap about what Gonzaw said about WoS though. Just like austin I'm pretty damn sure there were people who just said that WoS has to be town because of his filterlength which is bullshit and I still don't particularly like the posts he did. People get in here and say he contributed, go back and read his 2 posts about VE and prom. You yourself, even gonzaw, the guy who praised him as a saint, were shitting on those because they made no sense whatsoever and I could see him trying to get towncred from VE that way. It's no about wether people are right or wrong, it's about wether their way of comming to a conclusion makes sense and it didn't in WoS posts. Everyone seems to have forgotten the WoS <-> Prom thing altogether. I still don't like that either.
But like I said, I'm somewhat in a hurry, won't be back for 2 hours or so.
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On January 28 2014 01:22 marvellosity wrote:
game is hard yo
If Fool and Wave don't make sense to you as a team, than presumably by mutual exclusion one of them has to be town, but you're still suspicious of both by the looks of things. So which is it? And if kita is the common factor between both of them, why aren't you pushing kita as confirmed mafia?
you're making me post half naked...
It's a combination out of:
1) I did make a post during night saying that I'll be looking into kita, that's why Kita is up there for me to begin with. Sadly TL striked for me yesterday and I couldn't get it done just yet
2) I don't think mafia would sit back chilling and playing safe after losing Sandro d1 and having 5 confirmed townies. There's bound to be some risky play so while I do consider it unlikely I don't consider it impossible at all under these situations.
Now I'm really off, sorry
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On January 28 2014 03:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Let us talk about Toad for a sec. Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 01:33 kitaman27 wrote:On January 28 2014 00:56 marvellosity wrote:
Fool+Toad is where i'm sitting. Not 100% confident in either so maybe trying to eliminate outliers will help... namely you.
I think that's the most likely pair right now, but there is some degree of distancing between the two. Toad is attacking Foolishness, while Foolishness wants to bring Toad to lylo. I'll need to see if it seems likely that Toad is pushing the Foolishness lynch with the hopes of winning a 2v1 endgame, if he is town and has a legitimate scum read on Fool, or if he is mafia with another player that we're overlooking. At one point foolishness argues that we shouldn't consider lynching sandroba, while Holy is still around. Do you think it makes sense to attack one inactive scum buddy, while defending the other, which could be a risk if the wrong one flips first? Or is it more likely that he simply doesn't see Holy flipping that cycle after the replacement has been announced so he feels safe doing so? On January 26 2014 07:39 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm kind of busy right now and only f5'in inbetween. I've told you guys to get on Foo, I told you multiple times so far and it's been ignored. I don't have the time to make a case right now.
I DO think Foolishness is the way better lynch though and I DO think that reading VE tomorrow will be easier than today. I think this post actually makes a Toad + Foolishness pair more likely. A lot of the time when you see a bus, you'll hear a mafia player say something along of lines of "I've told you guys, but you didn't listen" when the town alternative is about to flip. It could be a case of Toad knowing more than he should, since I think it definitely makes more sense to think that reading Foolishness the next day would be easier than reading the player that got frustrated with the thread and voted himself. This kind of post is what makes me think kita is town (along with that one I mentioned earlier, the long one). How easy is a post like this to make when he's talking about theoretical mafia POV? From a town perspective it sounds like a completely realistic mafia perspective but so much that it sounds fishy. Am I explaining this right? Essentially it truly sounds as though this is town trying to explain things from mafia POV rather than mafia explaining mafia POV. A lot of Toad's posts around that point (which I mentioned and Toad and I argued about briefly) just reekShow nested quote +On January 26 2014 03:21 Toadesstern wrote:
See I don't even mind that WoS vote but I really think Foolishness is the much better option today. The guy makes sense whenever he posts but as soon as he comes to some conclusion Sandro bad lynch despite having Sandro in his scumreads earlier on / WoS + Toad scumteam despite me voting WoS at that time and still harboring fuzzy feelings for him (not in a romantic way) it just goes batshit crazy.
He doesn't even feel the need to explain his mafiareads and instead writes wall of texts about his relationship with prome.
Like I said, I don't mind that WoS vote one bit but do you really think he's a better lynch than foolishness? All it looked like around this point in the day was him trying to get himself out of the 'strong scumread' on me based on his horrible case on post earlier. He tries to defend/explain himself here, but it just doesn't jive with me Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 04:35 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 26 2014 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok a few thigns:
VE wtf was that vote on me? I don;t even understand your reasoning for it. Because I think you're town and no one else does? Is that it?
As far as marv;s argument, the problem is not only would you be comparing mafia to town mindset, you also have to remember that VE and I are two different people. My motivation has been ridiculously on this game not only because I'm not and want to win, but because of the game itself. Marv you remember me asking you pre-game if I should even play in this game? Part of my motivation this game is to show myself (and others) that I deserve to be in here. In any other game I highly doubt I would be spending such a great deal of the free time I barely have to post in massive bursts. VE may not be similarly motivated as town (or obviously as scum).
Now as for Foolishness, call me dumb but I'm starting to worry about how quickly it's being picked up. Especially by people like Toad. And even then if I'm right and Foolishness truly is mafia, is everybody going to be bamboozled by him again when he comes back with an hour to go and posts a flashy essay? It was that and the fact that Hapa suspected you and died - but gonzaw pointed out that he posted his suspicion AFTER the scum had made their shot, so it comes back to the "he's the only one who's right about me" which is NOT a strong enough point to lynch imo. It'd be pretty ballsy (if I'm right about you) as scum to be the only one. Hapa's suspicion is a stronger point if anything and I'll grant you that, but surprisingly nobody brought it up. And his case on me was vastly different than anyone else's I believe---I think it actually wasn't terrible. So, is Toad's voteswitch authentic or is he trying to jump off a losing train early and trying to gain some towncred on a bus? On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote:
So hapa has
WoS
VE
Holy
Fool
as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch.
In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline ( clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS you're welcome. Also wtf is that kind of a question. I'm getting cold feet here as I'm seeing you and VE on the same guy I want lynched and you have the balls to call Foolishness 100% mafia and say it's either a bus from me or a townie being right? Sure I think Foolishness is the best lynch but I wouldn't have the balls to call it that 100% certain oO Also when I voted foolish it was 2-2-2 in votes. I might be called the reason you're "wagon" is losing steam, again you're welcome Like all of Toad's activity since that point feels like subtle buddying/apologizing to me for earlier D2 to get me off of him, and it actually kind of worked for a while.
yes I've been trying to be nice to you and you can call that buddying, but it's obviously a gross misrepresentation given that I still think you're scummy and still don't understand why Gonzaw thought you're town. You seem to be conveniently forgetting that part when talking about how I'm "buddying" you.
Do me a favor and don't just read my filter, open those posts and look at those posts in context, especially read your own posts as well to get an idea. You were emotional, I tried to talk to you, you got super angry for no reason, you got pissed for no reason and you've been screaming and kicking in the thread whenever someone mentioned your name without praising you. I'm certaintly not buddying you, I'm ignoring you while you're impossible to talk to, may that be because you're faking emotions or because you're actually emotional. There was literally no point in talking to you so I stopped the hardcourse and instead tried a more relaxed approach to figure out if you'd still keep on doing that or if you'd chill down.
If you look at my posts you'll find the exact same approach everytime someone posts emotional for an extended period, in this game for example VE.
People are different and telling someone who's clearly screaming like a 5 year old to cool down while keeping pressure on them might be something gonzaw likes as an approach and it may work on a select few people but I think it's usually pointless. So yes I've been posting nicer when talking with you but I certainly wasn't buddying you.
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On January 28 2014 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh really Toad? 'Cause as i remember it, I was the one who recognized my own state and chose to take a break from the thread. Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 07:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:
honestly wave, gonzaw's case boils down to simply that central point. an I want to put serious though into it when I'm not on my phone. I'm not being useful right now, just flinging shit at toad so ill bbl So that certainly doesn't explain your change of route. Not to mention the fact that I was pissed off at your case because of how terrible and obviously so it was. You're saying you opted not to keep pressure on me because of my emotional state? Would you have continued with the arguments you were pushing if I didn't yell at you, Toad? I'm pretty calm right now, would you like to continue to 'pressure' me about something?
and you'll realize that I started posting nice with you a lot sooner than that, but I'm sure you're aware of that as well.
You even just admitted that you were pissed and yelling at me. Yes I don't talk with people who are yelling at me, remember rayn? Yes you do but you obviously don't seem to remember for whatever convenient reason right now.
Yes probably. Most likely not with you but with other people but you kept derailing the thread whenever I mentioned your name so I stopped it.
No, I still have to figure out if I'm wrong about you or Foolishness first or if Kita is the one being town and I don't see a lot of reason to talk about you with you. You say you calmed down but you don't seem to realize the way you're posting right now. Crazy conspiracy, tunnely without a reason, still emotional inbetween as can be seen in the above post and the first 2 can either be contributed to a scum plan or to actual emotions. I'd be willing to talk with other people about you
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On January 28 2014 03:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 03:37 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2014 03:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Let us talk about Toad for a sec. On January 28 2014 01:33 kitaman27 wrote:On January 28 2014 00:56 marvellosity wrote:
Fool+Toad is where i'm sitting. Not 100% confident in either so maybe trying to eliminate outliers will help... namely you.
I think that's the most likely pair right now, but there is some degree of distancing between the two. Toad is attacking Foolishness, while Foolishness wants to bring Toad to lylo. I'll need to see if it seems likely that Toad is pushing the Foolishness lynch with the hopes of winning a 2v1 endgame, if he is town and has a legitimate scum read on Fool, or if he is mafia with another player that we're overlooking. At one point foolishness argues that we shouldn't consider lynching sandroba, while Holy is still around. Do you think it makes sense to attack one inactive scum buddy, while defending the other, which could be a risk if the wrong one flips first? Or is it more likely that he simply doesn't see Holy flipping that cycle after the replacement has been announced so he feels safe doing so? On January 26 2014 07:39 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm kind of busy right now and only f5'in inbetween. I've told you guys to get on Foo, I told you multiple times so far and it's been ignored. I don't have the time to make a case right now.
I DO think Foolishness is the way better lynch though and I DO think that reading VE tomorrow will be easier than today. I think this post actually makes a Toad + Foolishness pair more likely. A lot of the time when you see a bus, you'll hear a mafia player say something along of lines of "I've told you guys, but you didn't listen" when the town alternative is about to flip. It could be a case of Toad knowing more than he should, since I think it definitely makes more sense to think that reading Foolishness the next day would be easier than reading the player that got frustrated with the thread and voted himself. This kind of post is what makes me think kita is town (along with that one I mentioned earlier, the long one). How easy is a post like this to make when he's talking about theoretical mafia POV? From a town perspective it sounds like a completely realistic mafia perspective but so much that it sounds fishy. Am I explaining this right? Essentially it truly sounds as though this is town trying to explain things from mafia POV rather than mafia explaining mafia POV. A lot of Toad's posts around that point (which I mentioned and Toad and I argued about briefly) just reekOn January 26 2014 03:21 Toadesstern wrote:
See I don't even mind that WoS vote but I really think Foolishness is the much better option today. The guy makes sense whenever he posts but as soon as he comes to some conclusion Sandro bad lynch despite having Sandro in his scumreads earlier on / WoS + Toad scumteam despite me voting WoS at that time and still harboring fuzzy feelings for him (not in a romantic way) it just goes batshit crazy.
He doesn't even feel the need to explain his mafiareads and instead writes wall of texts about his relationship with prome.
Like I said, I don't mind that WoS vote one bit but do you really think he's a better lynch than foolishness? All it looked like around this point in the day was him trying to get himself out of the 'strong scumread' on me based on his horrible case on post earlier. He tries to defend/explain himself here, but it just doesn't jive with me On January 26 2014 04:35 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 26 2014 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok a few thigns:
VE wtf was that vote on me? I don;t even understand your reasoning for it. Because I think you're town and no one else does? Is that it?
As far as marv;s argument, the problem is not only would you be comparing mafia to town mindset, you also have to remember that VE and I are two different people. My motivation has been ridiculously on this game not only because I'm not and want to win, but because of the game itself. Marv you remember me asking you pre-game if I should even play in this game? Part of my motivation this game is to show myself (and others) that I deserve to be in here. In any other game I highly doubt I would be spending such a great deal of the free time I barely have to post in massive bursts. VE may not be similarly motivated as town (or obviously as scum).
Now as for Foolishness, call me dumb but I'm starting to worry about how quickly it's being picked up. Especially by people like Toad. And even then if I'm right and Foolishness truly is mafia, is everybody going to be bamboozled by him again when he comes back with an hour to go and posts a flashy essay? It was that and the fact that Hapa suspected you and died - but gonzaw pointed out that he posted his suspicion AFTER the scum had made their shot, so it comes back to the "he's the only one who's right about me" which is NOT a strong enough point to lynch imo. It'd be pretty ballsy (if I'm right about you) as scum to be the only one. Hapa's suspicion is a stronger point if anything and I'll grant you that, but surprisingly nobody brought it up. And his case on me was vastly different than anyone else's I believe---I think it actually wasn't terrible. So, is Toad's voteswitch authentic or is he trying to jump off a losing train early and trying to gain some towncred on a bus? On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote:
So hapa has
WoS
VE
Holy
Fool
as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch.
In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline ( clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS you're welcome. Also wtf is that kind of a question. I'm getting cold feet here as I'm seeing you and VE on the same guy I want lynched and you have the balls to call Foolishness 100% mafia and say it's either a bus from me or a townie being right? Sure I think Foolishness is the best lynch but I wouldn't have the balls to call it that 100% certain oO Also when I voted foolish it was 2-2-2 in votes. I might be called the reason you're "wagon" is losing steam, again you're welcome Like all of Toad's activity since that point feels like subtle buddying/apologizing to me for earlier D2 to get me off of him, and it actually kind of worked for a while. yes I've been trying to be nice to you and you can call that buddying, but it's obviously a gross misrepresentation given that I still think you're scummy and still don't understand why Gonzaw thought you're town. You seem to be conveniently forgetting that part when talking about how I'm "buddying" you. Do me a favor and don't just read my filter, open those posts and look at those posts in context, especially read your own posts as well to get an idea. You were emotional, I tried to talk to you, you got super angry for no reason, you got pissed for no reason and you've been screaming and kicking in the thread whenever someone mentioned your name without praising you. I'm certaintly not buddying you, I'm ignoring you while you're impossible to talk to, may that be because you're faking emotions or because you're actually emotional. There was literally no point in talking to you so I stopped the hardcourse and instead tried a more relaxed approach to figure out if you'd still keep on doing that or if you'd chill down. If you look at my posts you'll find the exact same approach everytime someone posts emotional for an extended period, in this game for example VE. People are different and telling someone who's clearly screaming like a 5 year old to cool down while keeping pressure on them might be something gonzaw likes as an approach and it may work on a select few people but I think it's usually pointless. So yes I've been posting nicer when talking with you but I certainly wasn't buddying you. Gonzaw explained pretty damn clearly why he thought I was town, whether you believe it or not is another thing. Apparently you still think I'm scummy despite your change of direction and attack on Foolishness (which was in itself a soft defense of me at the time given what the thread was up to)? Go on, Toad, let's hear what still makes me scummy. I'm all ears.
Okay let's give it a try. I'm cooking so I'll f5 every 3 or so minutes but keep that in mind.
From your PoV
Foolishness is you main suspect. You and I are the ones that ended up voting him. Kita was the one that got Foo[/red][/red] into trouble innitially, I know he wasn't the one with the first vote but people started seriously considering him ever after his case.
Kita was more than willing to help Gonzaw to get VE lynched. The lynch was between Foo and VE. Toad kept voting Foo, while Kita, the innitiator got off to ensure a VE lynch and help Gonzaw.
You are certain that Foo is mafia. This story makes no sense.
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On January 28 2014 04:06 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 03:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 28 2014 03:37 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2014 03:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Let us talk about Toad for a sec. On January 28 2014 01:33 kitaman27 wrote:On January 28 2014 00:56 marvellosity wrote:
Fool+Toad is where i'm sitting. Not 100% confident in either so maybe trying to eliminate outliers will help... namely you.
I think that's the most likely pair right now, but there is some degree of distancing between the two. Toad is attacking Foolishness, while Foolishness wants to bring Toad to lylo. I'll need to see if it seems likely that Toad is pushing the Foolishness lynch with the hopes of winning a 2v1 endgame, if he is town and has a legitimate scum read on Fool, or if he is mafia with another player that we're overlooking. At one point foolishness argues that we shouldn't consider lynching sandroba, while Holy is still around. Do you think it makes sense to attack one inactive scum buddy, while defending the other, which could be a risk if the wrong one flips first? Or is it more likely that he simply doesn't see Holy flipping that cycle after the replacement has been announced so he feels safe doing so? On January 26 2014 07:39 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm kind of busy right now and only f5'in inbetween. I've told you guys to get on Foo, I told you multiple times so far and it's been ignored. I don't have the time to make a case right now.
I DO think Foolishness is the way better lynch though and I DO think that reading VE tomorrow will be easier than today. I think this post actually makes a Toad + Foolishness pair more likely. A lot of the time when you see a bus, you'll hear a mafia player say something along of lines of "I've told you guys, but you didn't listen" when the town alternative is about to flip. It could be a case of Toad knowing more than he should, since I think it definitely makes more sense to think that reading Foolishness the next day would be easier than reading the player that got frustrated with the thread and voted himself. This kind of post is what makes me think kita is town (along with that one I mentioned earlier, the long one). How easy is a post like this to make when he's talking about theoretical mafia POV? From a town perspective it sounds like a completely realistic mafia perspective but so much that it sounds fishy. Am I explaining this right? Essentially it truly sounds as though this is town trying to explain things from mafia POV rather than mafia explaining mafia POV. A lot of Toad's posts around that point (which I mentioned and Toad and I argued about briefly) just reekOn January 26 2014 03:21 Toadesstern wrote:
See I don't even mind that WoS vote but I really think Foolishness is the much better option today. The guy makes sense whenever he posts but as soon as he comes to some conclusion Sandro bad lynch despite having Sandro in his scumreads earlier on / WoS + Toad scumteam despite me voting WoS at that time and still harboring fuzzy feelings for him (not in a romantic way) it just goes batshit crazy.
He doesn't even feel the need to explain his mafiareads and instead writes wall of texts about his relationship with prome.
Like I said, I don't mind that WoS vote one bit but do you really think he's a better lynch than foolishness? All it looked like around this point in the day was him trying to get himself out of the 'strong scumread' on me based on his horrible case on post earlier. He tries to defend/explain himself here, but it just doesn't jive with me On January 26 2014 04:35 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 26 2014 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok a few thigns:
VE wtf was that vote on me? I don;t even understand your reasoning for it. Because I think you're town and no one else does? Is that it?
As far as marv;s argument, the problem is not only would you be comparing mafia to town mindset, you also have to remember that VE and I are two different people. My motivation has been ridiculously on this game not only because I'm not and want to win, but because of the game itself. Marv you remember me asking you pre-game if I should even play in this game? Part of my motivation this game is to show myself (and others) that I deserve to be in here. In any other game I highly doubt I would be spending such a great deal of the free time I barely have to post in massive bursts. VE may not be similarly motivated as town (or obviously as scum).
Now as for Foolishness, call me dumb but I'm starting to worry about how quickly it's being picked up. Especially by people like Toad. And even then if I'm right and Foolishness truly is mafia, is everybody going to be bamboozled by him again when he comes back with an hour to go and posts a flashy essay? It was that and the fact that Hapa suspected you and died - but gonzaw pointed out that he posted his suspicion AFTER the scum had made their shot, so it comes back to the "he's the only one who's right about me" which is NOT a strong enough point to lynch imo. It'd be pretty ballsy (if I'm right about you) as scum to be the only one. Hapa's suspicion is a stronger point if anything and I'll grant you that, but surprisingly nobody brought it up. And his case on me was vastly different than anyone else's I believe---I think it actually wasn't terrible. So, is Toad's voteswitch authentic or is he trying to jump off a losing train early and trying to gain some towncred on a bus? On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote:
So hapa has
WoS
VE
Holy
Fool
as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch.
In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline ( clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS you're welcome. Also wtf is that kind of a question. I'm getting cold feet here as I'm seeing you and VE on the same guy I want lynched and you have the balls to call Foolishness 100% mafia and say it's either a bus from me or a townie being right? Sure I think Foolishness is the best lynch but I wouldn't have the balls to call it that 100% certain oO Also when I voted foolish it was 2-2-2 in votes. I might be called the reason you're "wagon" is losing steam, again you're welcome Like all of Toad's activity since that point feels like subtle buddying/apologizing to me for earlier D2 to get me off of him, and it actually kind of worked for a while. yes I've been trying to be nice to you and you can call that buddying, but it's obviously a gross misrepresentation given that I still think you're scummy and still don't understand why Gonzaw thought you're town. You seem to be conveniently forgetting that part when talking about how I'm "buddying" you. Do me a favor and don't just read my filter, open those posts and look at those posts in context, especially read your own posts as well to get an idea. You were emotional, I tried to talk to you, you got super angry for no reason, you got pissed for no reason and you've been screaming and kicking in the thread whenever someone mentioned your name without praising you. I'm certaintly not buddying you, I'm ignoring you while you're impossible to talk to, may that be because you're faking emotions or because you're actually emotional. There was literally no point in talking to you so I stopped the hardcourse and instead tried a more relaxed approach to figure out if you'd still keep on doing that or if you'd chill down. If you look at my posts you'll find the exact same approach everytime someone posts emotional for an extended period, in this game for example VE. People are different and telling someone who's clearly screaming like a 5 year old to cool down while keeping pressure on them might be something gonzaw likes as an approach and it may work on a select few people but I think it's usually pointless. So yes I've been posting nicer when talking with you but I certainly wasn't buddying you. Gonzaw explained pretty damn clearly why he thought I was town, whether you believe it or not is another thing. Apparently you still think I'm scummy despite your change of direction and attack on Foolishness (which was in itself a soft defense of me at the time given what the thread was up to)? Go on, Toad, let's hear what still makes me scummy. I'm all ears. Okay let's give it a try. I'm cooking so I'll f5 every 3 or so minutes but keep that in mind. From your PoVFoolishness is you main suspect. You and Toad are the ones that ended up voting him. Kita was the one that got Foo into trouble innitially, I know he wasn't the one with the first vote but people started seriously considering him ever after his case. Kita was more than willing to help Gonzaw to get VE lynched. The lynch was between Foo and VE. Toad kept voting Foo, while Kita, the innitiator got off to ensure a VE lynch and help Gonzaw. You are certain that Foo is mafia. This story makes no sense.
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On January 28 2014 04:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 03:57 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2014 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh really Toad? 'Cause as i remember it, I was the one who recognized my own state and chose to take a break from the thread. On January 25 2014 07:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:
honestly wave, gonzaw's case boils down to simply that central point. an I want to put serious though into it when I'm not on my phone. I'm not being useful right now, just flinging shit at toad so ill bbl So that certainly doesn't explain your change of route. Not to mention the fact that I was pissed off at your case because of how terrible and obviously so it was. You're saying you opted not to keep pressure on me because of my emotional state? Would you have continued with the arguments you were pushing if I didn't yell at you, Toad? I'm pretty calm right now, would you like to continue to 'pressure' me about something? and you'll realize that I started posting nice with you a lot sooner than that, but I'm sure you're aware of that as well. You even just admitted that you were pissed and yelling at me. Yes I don't talk with people who are yelling at me, remember rayn? Yes you do but you obviously don't seem to remember for whatever convenient reason right now. Yes probably. Most likely not with you but with other people but you kept derailing the thread whenever I mentioned your name so I stopped it. No, I still have to figure out if I'm wrong about you or Foolishness first or if Kita is the one being town and I don't see a lot of reason to talk about you with you. You say you calmed down but you don't seem to realize the way you're posting right now. Crazy conspiracy, tunnely without a reason, still emotional inbetween as can be seen in the above post and the first 2 can either be contributed to a scum plan or to actual emotions. I'd be willing to talk with other people about you For fuck sakes I just deleted my post. let's try again. What? Crazy consipracy? How is a scumread on you a crazy conspiracy? And how am i tunneling you without reason? I have offered plenty of reason. I defy anyone else in this thread to look at what I've written about you and say it doesn't at the very least appear true. As far as emotional goes, there's a difference between the emotional and the tone I'm using right now. it's called accusatory, and considering I believe yo to be scum, I think it's pretty appropriate. All this post looks like is you trying to opt out of conversation with me, kinda like Foolishness. If you believe Foolishness to be scum and you're doing the same thing he is...well..... Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:06 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2014 03:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 28 2014 03:37 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2014 03:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Let us talk about Toad for a sec. On January 28 2014 01:33 kitaman27 wrote:On January 28 2014 00:56 marvellosity wrote:
Fool+Toad is where i'm sitting. Not 100% confident in either so maybe trying to eliminate outliers will help... namely you.
I think that's the most likely pair right now, but there is some degree of distancing between the two. Toad is attacking Foolishness, while Foolishness wants to bring Toad to lylo. I'll need to see if it seems likely that Toad is pushing the Foolishness lynch with the hopes of winning a 2v1 endgame, if he is town and has a legitimate scum read on Fool, or if he is mafia with another player that we're overlooking. At one point foolishness argues that we shouldn't consider lynching sandroba, while Holy is still around. Do you think it makes sense to attack one inactive scum buddy, while defending the other, which could be a risk if the wrong one flips first? Or is it more likely that he simply doesn't see Holy flipping that cycle after the replacement has been announced so he feels safe doing so? On January 26 2014 07:39 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm kind of busy right now and only f5'in inbetween. I've told you guys to get on Foo, I told you multiple times so far and it's been ignored. I don't have the time to make a case right now.
I DO think Foolishness is the way better lynch though and I DO think that reading VE tomorrow will be easier than today. I think this post actually makes a Toad + Foolishness pair more likely. A lot of the time when you see a bus, you'll hear a mafia player say something along of lines of "I've told you guys, but you didn't listen" when the town alternative is about to flip. It could be a case of Toad knowing more than he should, since I think it definitely makes more sense to think that reading Foolishness the next day would be easier than reading the player that got frustrated with the thread and voted himself. This kind of post is what makes me think kita is town (along with that one I mentioned earlier, the long one). How easy is a post like this to make when he's talking about theoretical mafia POV? From a town perspective it sounds like a completely realistic mafia perspective but so much that it sounds fishy. Am I explaining this right? Essentially it truly sounds as though this is town trying to explain things from mafia POV rather than mafia explaining mafia POV. A lot of Toad's posts around that point (which I mentioned and Toad and I argued about briefly) just reekOn January 26 2014 03:21 Toadesstern wrote:
See I don't even mind that WoS vote but I really think Foolishness is the much better option today. The guy makes sense whenever he posts but as soon as he comes to some conclusion Sandro bad lynch despite having Sandro in his scumreads earlier on / WoS + Toad scumteam despite me voting WoS at that time and still harboring fuzzy feelings for him (not in a romantic way) it just goes batshit crazy.
He doesn't even feel the need to explain his mafiareads and instead writes wall of texts about his relationship with prome.
Like I said, I don't mind that WoS vote one bit but do you really think he's a better lynch than foolishness? All it looked like around this point in the day was him trying to get himself out of the 'strong scumread' on me based on his horrible case on post earlier. He tries to defend/explain himself here, but it just doesn't jive with me On January 26 2014 04:35 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 26 2014 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok a few thigns:
VE wtf was that vote on me? I don;t even understand your reasoning for it. Because I think you're town and no one else does? Is that it?
As far as marv;s argument, the problem is not only would you be comparing mafia to town mindset, you also have to remember that VE and I are two different people. My motivation has been ridiculously on this game not only because I'm not and want to win, but because of the game itself. Marv you remember me asking you pre-game if I should even play in this game? Part of my motivation this game is to show myself (and others) that I deserve to be in here. In any other game I highly doubt I would be spending such a great deal of the free time I barely have to post in massive bursts. VE may not be similarly motivated as town (or obviously as scum).
Now as for Foolishness, call me dumb but I'm starting to worry about how quickly it's being picked up. Especially by people like Toad. And even then if I'm right and Foolishness truly is mafia, is everybody going to be bamboozled by him again when he comes back with an hour to go and posts a flashy essay? It was that and the fact that Hapa suspected you and died - but gonzaw pointed out that he posted his suspicion AFTER the scum had made their shot, so it comes back to the "he's the only one who's right about me" which is NOT a strong enough point to lynch imo. It'd be pretty ballsy (if I'm right about you) as scum to be the only one. Hapa's suspicion is a stronger point if anything and I'll grant you that, but surprisingly nobody brought it up. And his case on me was vastly different than anyone else's I believe---I think it actually wasn't terrible. So, is Toad's voteswitch authentic or is he trying to jump off a losing train early and trying to gain some towncred on a bus? On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote:
So hapa has
WoS
VE
Holy
Fool
as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch.
In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline ( clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS you're welcome. Also wtf is that kind of a question. I'm getting cold feet here as I'm seeing you and VE on the same guy I want lynched and you have the balls to call Foolishness 100% mafia and say it's either a bus from me or a townie being right? Sure I think Foolishness is the best lynch but I wouldn't have the balls to call it that 100% certain oO Also when I voted foolish it was 2-2-2 in votes. I might be called the reason you're "wagon" is losing steam, again you're welcome Like all of Toad's activity since that point feels like subtle buddying/apologizing to me for earlier D2 to get me off of him, and it actually kind of worked for a while. yes I've been trying to be nice to you and you can call that buddying, but it's obviously a gross misrepresentation given that I still think you're scummy and still don't understand why Gonzaw thought you're town. You seem to be conveniently forgetting that part when talking about how I'm "buddying" you. Do me a favor and don't just read my filter, open those posts and look at those posts in context, especially read your own posts as well to get an idea. You were emotional, I tried to talk to you, you got super angry for no reason, you got pissed for no reason and you've been screaming and kicking in the thread whenever someone mentioned your name without praising you. I'm certaintly not buddying you, I'm ignoring you while you're impossible to talk to, may that be because you're faking emotions or because you're actually emotional. There was literally no point in talking to you so I stopped the hardcourse and instead tried a more relaxed approach to figure out if you'd still keep on doing that or if you'd chill down. If you look at my posts you'll find the exact same approach everytime someone posts emotional for an extended period, in this game for example VE. People are different and telling someone who's clearly screaming like a 5 year old to cool down while keeping pressure on them might be something gonzaw likes as an approach and it may work on a select few people but I think it's usually pointless. So yes I've been posting nicer when talking with you but I certainly wasn't buddying you. Gonzaw explained pretty damn clearly why he thought I was town, whether you believe it or not is another thing. Apparently you still think I'm scummy despite your change of direction and attack on Foolishness (which was in itself a soft defense of me at the time given what the thread was up to)? Go on, Toad, let's hear what still makes me scummy. I'm all ears. Okay let's give it a try. I'm cooking so I'll f5 every 3 or so minutes but keep that in mind. From your PoVFoolishness is you main suspect. You and I are the ones that ended up voting him. Kita was the one that got Foo into trouble innitially, I know he wasn't the one with the first vote but people started seriously considering him ever after his case. Kita was more than willing to help Gonzaw to get VE lynched. The lynch was between Foo and VE. Toad kept voting Foo, while Kita, the innitiator got off to ensure a VE lynch and help Gonzaw. You are certain that Foo is mafia. This story makes no sense. Ok so you are going to try and talk. Good. Now as far as things making no sense? Wrong. VE was a viable lynch target for yesterday, even I was strongly considering lynching him but in the end guts won out. I see no reason why a theoretical town kita wouldn't change his vote to VE. I have also explained multiple times why if you and Foolishness are scum a bus from makes some degree of sense, but how about you do me a favour? Why don't we drop the idea that Foolishness is scum altogether? What happens to this post then?
only answering the last part right now because like I said, cooking:
Then you end up with Kita + Toad. You are willing to drop your strongest mafia read in foolishness and consider me mafia as Kitas ally instead of going for the thing in comming, Kita being mafia according to you no matter what.
fixed the [/red] tag btw.
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On January 28 2014 04:23 kitaman27 wrote:
Is that where you are at on me toad as well? Mafia no matter what?
we already had that
On January 28 2014 01:39 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 01:22 marvellosity wrote:
game is hard yo
If Fool and Wave don't make sense to you as a team, than presumably by mutual exclusion one of them has to be town, but you're still suspicious of both by the looks of things. So which is it? And if kita is the common factor between both of them, why aren't you pushing kita as confirmed mafia? you're making me post half naked... It's a combination out of: 1) I did make a post during night saying that I'll be looking into kita, that's why Kita is up there for me to begin with. Sadly TL striked for me yesterday and I couldn't get it done just yet 2) I don't think mafia would sit back chilling and playing safe after losing Sandro d1 and having 5 confirmed townies. There's bound to be some risky play so while I do consider it unlikely I don't consider it impossible at all under these situations. Now I'm really off, sorry
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On January 28 2014 04:27 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2014 04:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 28 2014 03:57 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2014 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh really Toad? 'Cause as i remember it, I was the one who recognized my own state and chose to take a break from the thread. On January 25 2014 07:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:
honestly wave, gonzaw's case boils down to simply that central point. an I want to put serious though into it when I'm not on my phone. I'm not being useful right now, just flinging shit at toad so ill bbl So that certainly doesn't explain your change of route. Not to mention the fact that I was pissed off at your case because of how terrible and obviously so it was. You're saying you opted not to keep pressure on me because of my emotional state? Would you have continued with the arguments you were pushing if I didn't yell at you, Toad? I'm pretty calm right now, would you like to continue to 'pressure' me about something? and you'll realize that I started posting nice with you a lot sooner than that, but I'm sure you're aware of that as well. You even just admitted that you were pissed and yelling at me. Yes I don't talk with people who are yelling at me, remember rayn? Yes you do but you obviously don't seem to remember for whatever convenient reason right now. Yes probably. Most likely not with you but with other people but you kept derailing the thread whenever I mentioned your name so I stopped it. No, I still have to figure out if I'm wrong about you or Foolishness first or if Kita is the one being town and I don't see a lot of reason to talk about you with you. You say you calmed down but you don't seem to realize the way you're posting right now. Crazy conspiracy, tunnely without a reason, still emotional inbetween as can be seen in the above post and the first 2 can either be contributed to a scum plan or to actual emotions. I'd be willing to talk with other people about you For fuck sakes I just deleted my post. let's try again. What? Crazy consipracy? How is a scumread on you a crazy conspiracy? And how am i tunneling you without reason? I have offered plenty of reason. I defy anyone else in this thread to look at what I've written about you and say it doesn't at the very least appear true. As far as emotional goes, there's a difference between the emotional and the tone I'm using right now. it's called accusatory, and considering I believe yo to be scum, I think it's pretty appropriate. All this post looks like is you trying to opt out of conversation with me, kinda like Foolishness. If you believe Foolishness to be scum and you're doing the same thing he is...well..... On January 28 2014 04:06 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2014 03:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 28 2014 03:37 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2014 03:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Let us talk about Toad for a sec. On January 28 2014 01:33 kitaman27 wrote:On January 28 2014 00:56 marvellosity wrote:
Fool+Toad is where i'm sitting. Not 100% confident in either so maybe trying to eliminate outliers will help... namely you.
I think that's the most likely pair right now, but there is some degree of distancing between the two. Toad is attacking Foolishness, while Foolishness wants to bring Toad to lylo. I'll need to see if it seems likely that Toad is pushing the Foolishness lynch with the hopes of winning a 2v1 endgame, if he is town and has a legitimate scum read on Fool, or if he is mafia with another player that we're overlooking. At one point foolishness argues that we shouldn't consider lynching sandroba, while Holy is still around. Do you think it makes sense to attack one inactive scum buddy, while defending the other, which could be a risk if the wrong one flips first? Or is it more likely that he simply doesn't see Holy flipping that cycle after the replacement has been announced so he feels safe doing so? On January 26 2014 07:39 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm kind of busy right now and only f5'in inbetween. I've told you guys to get on Foo, I told you multiple times so far and it's been ignored. I don't have the time to make a case right now.
I DO think Foolishness is the way better lynch though and I DO think that reading VE tomorrow will be easier than today. I think this post actually makes a Toad + Foolishness pair more likely. A lot of the time when you see a bus, you'll hear a mafia player say something along of lines of "I've told you guys, but you didn't listen" when the town alternative is about to flip. It could be a case of Toad knowing more than he should, since I think it definitely makes more sense to think that reading Foolishness the next day would be easier than reading the player that got frustrated with the thread and voted himself. This kind of post is what makes me think kita is town (along with that one I mentioned earlier, the long one). How easy is a post like this to make when he's talking about theoretical mafia POV? From a town perspective it sounds like a completely realistic mafia perspective but so much that it sounds fishy. Am I explaining this right? Essentially it truly sounds as though this is town trying to explain things from mafia POV rather than mafia explaining mafia POV. A lot of Toad's posts around that point (which I mentioned and Toad and I argued about briefly) just reekOn January 26 2014 03:21 Toadesstern wrote:
See I don't even mind that WoS vote but I really think Foolishness is the much better option today. The guy makes sense whenever he posts but as soon as he comes to some conclusion Sandro bad lynch despite having Sandro in his scumreads earlier on / WoS + Toad scumteam despite me voting WoS at that time and still harboring fuzzy feelings for him (not in a romantic way) it just goes batshit crazy.
He doesn't even feel the need to explain his mafiareads and instead writes wall of texts about his relationship with prome.
Like I said, I don't mind that WoS vote one bit but do you really think he's a better lynch than foolishness? All it looked like around this point in the day was him trying to get himself out of the 'strong scumread' on me based on his horrible case on post earlier. He tries to defend/explain himself here, but it just doesn't jive with me On January 26 2014 04:35 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
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It was that and the fact that Hapa suspected you and died - but gonzaw pointed out that he posted his suspicion AFTER the scum had made their shot, so it comes back to the "he's the only one who's right about me" which is NOT a strong enough point to lynch imo. It'd be pretty ballsy (if I'm right about you) as scum to be the only one. Hapa's suspicion is a stronger point if anything and I'll grant you that, but surprisingly nobody brought it up. And his case on me was vastly different than anyone else's I believe---I think it actually wasn't terrible. So, is Toad's voteswitch authentic or is he trying to jump off a losing train early and trying to gain some towncred on a bus? On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote:
So hapa has
WoS
VE
Holy
Fool
as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch.
In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline ( clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS you're welcome. Also wtf is that kind of a question. I'm getting cold feet here as I'm seeing you and VE on the same guy I want lynched and you have the balls to call Foolishness 100% mafia and say it's either a bus from me or a townie being right? Sure I think Foolishness is the best lynch but I wouldn't have the balls to call it that 100% certain oO Also when I voted foolish it was 2-2-2 in votes. I might be called the reason you're "wagon" is losing steam, again you're welcome Like all of Toad's activity since that point feels like subtle buddying/apologizing to me for earlier D2 to get me off of him, and it actually kind of worked for a while. yes I've been trying to be nice to you and you can call that buddying, but it's obviously a gross misrepresentation given that I still think you're scummy and still don't understand why Gonzaw thought you're town. You seem to be conveniently forgetting that part when talking about how I'm "buddying" you. Do me a favor and don't just read my filter, open those posts and look at those posts in context, especially read your own posts as well to get an idea. You were emotional, I tried to talk to you, you got super angry for no reason, you got pissed for no reason and you've been screaming and kicking in the thread whenever someone mentioned your name without praising you. I'm certaintly not buddying you, I'm ignoring you while you're impossible to talk to, may that be because you're faking emotions or because you're actually emotional. There was literally no point in talking to you so I stopped the hardcourse and instead tried a more relaxed approach to figure out if you'd still keep on doing that or if you'd chill down. If you look at my posts you'll find the exact same approach everytime someone posts emotional for an extended period, in this game for example VE. People are different and telling someone who's clearly screaming like a 5 year old to cool down while keeping pressure on them might be something gonzaw likes as an approach and it may work on a select few people but I think it's usually pointless. So yes I've been posting nicer when talking with you but I certainly wasn't buddying you. Gonzaw explained pretty damn clearly why he thought I was town, whether you believe it or not is another thing. Apparently you still think I'm scummy despite your change of direction and attack on Foolishness (which was in itself a soft defense of me at the time given what the thread was up to)? Go on, Toad, let's hear what still makes me scummy. I'm all ears. Okay let's give it a try. I'm cooking so I'll f5 every 3 or so minutes but keep that in mind. From your PoVFoolishness is you main suspect. You and I are the ones that ended up voting him. Kita was the one that got Foo into trouble innitially, I know he wasn't the one with the first vote but people started seriously considering him ever after his case. Kita was more than willing to help Gonzaw to get VE lynched. The lynch was between Foo and VE. Toad kept voting Foo, while Kita, the innitiator got off to ensure a VE lynch and help Gonzaw. You are certain that Foo is mafia. This story makes no sense. Ok so you are going to try and talk. Good. Now as far as things making no sense? Wrong. VE was a viable lynch target for yesterday, even I was strongly considering lynching him but in the end guts won out. I see no reason why a theoretical town kita wouldn't change his vote to VE. I have also explained multiple times why if you and Foolishness are scum a bus from makes some degree of sense, but how about you do me a favour? Why don't we drop the idea that Foolishness is scum altogether? What happens to this post then? only answering the last part right now because like I said, cooking:Then you end up with Kita + Toad. You are willing to drop your strongest mafia read in foolishness and consider me mafia as Kitas ally instead of going for the thing in comming, Kita being mafia according to you no matter what. fixed the [*/red] tag btw. That post is kinda wonky but I think I understand what you mean. No, the difference is kita, not you. You're mafia no matter what. Kita could still be town and a theoretical town Foolishness's analysis could also be wrong and scum could be someone like austin. The point being that I'm kidna through with considering association---this may be why this game has been so difficult so far. Every time someone comes up with something viable/likely as a scumread, it gets shot down because 'well so-and-so can't be scum with so-and-so because insert unflipped association case here' I'm done doing that. I'm considering you scum based on your own merits entirely, so if you forget about what Foolishness's alignment is completely in your above scenario, then you simply look scummy for switching off of me when the attack turned to you.
awesome, so you do agree with my point on you and that you're scummy for just randomly dropping Foolishness and going after someone else to try to get one of the confirmed towniess lynched after I flip.
Why couldn't you just say so, because that's what you're saying right there, just that you're not willing to put it that straight.
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On January 28 2014 04:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Um...excuse me?
I dropped Foolishness where?
He is who I am voting right now.
I am simply doing my best to cinsder all options, have a discussion with you, and scumhunt because as far as I remember even if I'm right about Foolishness and he is scum, I still have to find the second scum.
Are you seriously trying to spin my words in this way? This is like the third example of you trying to misrepresent me in this game that I can think of, and I really don't like being misrepresented. I also really don't like being baited.
Are you purposefully trying to make me angry again right now Toad?
On January 28 2014 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like, there's no way you can actually believe what you just wrote, so why say it in thread, Toad?
Ok this is the last time I'm telling you that. I'm not trying to make you angry, you basicly accused me of posting too nicely whenever I'm talking with you just 5 minutes ago. That's your beef with me and you're telling me I'm actively trying to make you angry? One more of those posts and I'm done talking with you for good.
You do consider your options but you completly drop Kita out of the equation which I don't see someone doing if you actually happen to be town. You don't see those blatant mistakes in your arguments that makes everything you're talking about just not work out.
I'm sitting here trying to figure out which assumption of mine is wrong. I don't see you doing that, instead you're ignoring it and continuing like nothing happened. That's the exact same thing I mentioned last game. You should be sitting here thinking "what that doesn't make sense, let's try to figure out why" instead of just ignoring it and continuing like nothing happened.
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for crying out loud, you were CERTAIN that VE was a townie and now you came in and tell me you, that at that time you thought the VE was a good one?
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On January 28 2014 04:54 Toadesstern wrote:
for crying out loud, you were CERTAIN that VE was a townie at that time and you just get in here telling me you thought the VE was a good one?
On January 28 2014 04:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 03:57 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2014 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh really Toad? 'Cause as i remember it, I was the one who recognized my own state and chose to take a break from the thread. On January 25 2014 07:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:
honestly wave, gonzaw's case boils down to simply that central point. an I want to put serious though into it when I'm not on my phone. I'm not being useful right now, just flinging shit at toad so ill bbl So that certainly doesn't explain your change of route. Not to mention the fact that I was pissed off at your case because of how terrible and obviously so it was. You're saying you opted not to keep pressure on me because of my emotional state? Would you have continued with the arguments you were pushing if I didn't yell at you, Toad? I'm pretty calm right now, would you like to continue to 'pressure' me about something? and you'll realize that I started posting nice with you a lot sooner than that, but I'm sure you're aware of that as well. You even just admitted that you were pissed and yelling at me. Yes I don't talk with people who are yelling at me, remember rayn? Yes you do but you obviously don't seem to remember for whatever convenient reason right now. Yes probably. Most likely not with you but with other people but you kept derailing the thread whenever I mentioned your name so I stopped it. No, I still have to figure out if I'm wrong about you or Foolishness first or if Kita is the one being town and I don't see a lot of reason to talk about you with you. You say you calmed down but you don't seem to realize the way you're posting right now. Crazy conspiracy, tunnely without a reason, still emotional inbetween as can be seen in the above post and the first 2 can either be contributed to a scum plan or to actual emotions. I'd be willing to talk with other people about you For fuck sakes I just deleted my post. let's try again. What? Crazy consipracy? How is a scumread on you a crazy conspiracy? And how am i tunneling you without reason? I have offered plenty of reason. I defy anyone else in this thread to look at what I've written about you and say it doesn't at the very least appear true. As far as emotional goes, there's a difference between the emotional and the tone I'm using right now. it's called accusatory, and considering I believe yo to be scum, I think it's pretty appropriate. All this post looks like is you trying to opt out of conversation with me, kinda like Foolishness. If you believe Foolishness to be scum and you're doing the same thing he is...well..... Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:06 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2014 03:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 28 2014 03:37 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2014 03:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Let us talk about Toad for a sec. On January 28 2014 01:33 kitaman27 wrote:On January 28 2014 00:56 marvellosity wrote:
Fool+Toad is where i'm sitting. Not 100% confident in either so maybe trying to eliminate outliers will help... namely you.
I think that's the most likely pair right now, but there is some degree of distancing between the two. Toad is attacking Foolishness, while Foolishness wants to bring Toad to lylo. I'll need to see if it seems likely that Toad is pushing the Foolishness lynch with the hopes of winning a 2v1 endgame, if he is town and has a legitimate scum read on Fool, or if he is mafia with another player that we're overlooking. At one point foolishness argues that we shouldn't consider lynching sandroba, while Holy is still around. Do you think it makes sense to attack one inactive scum buddy, while defending the other, which could be a risk if the wrong one flips first? Or is it more likely that he simply doesn't see Holy flipping that cycle after the replacement has been announced so he feels safe doing so? On January 26 2014 07:39 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm kind of busy right now and only f5'in inbetween. I've told you guys to get on Foo, I told you multiple times so far and it's been ignored. I don't have the time to make a case right now.
I DO think Foolishness is the way better lynch though and I DO think that reading VE tomorrow will be easier than today. I think this post actually makes a Toad + Foolishness pair more likely. A lot of the time when you see a bus, you'll hear a mafia player say something along of lines of "I've told you guys, but you didn't listen" when the town alternative is about to flip. It could be a case of Toad knowing more than he should, since I think it definitely makes more sense to think that reading Foolishness the next day would be easier than reading the player that got frustrated with the thread and voted himself. This kind of post is what makes me think kita is town (along with that one I mentioned earlier, the long one). How easy is a post like this to make when he's talking about theoretical mafia POV? From a town perspective it sounds like a completely realistic mafia perspective but so much that it sounds fishy. Am I explaining this right? Essentially it truly sounds as though this is town trying to explain things from mafia POV rather than mafia explaining mafia POV. A lot of Toad's posts around that point (which I mentioned and Toad and I argued about briefly) just reekOn January 26 2014 03:21 Toadesstern wrote:
See I don't even mind that WoS vote but I really think Foolishness is the much better option today. The guy makes sense whenever he posts but as soon as he comes to some conclusion Sandro bad lynch despite having Sandro in his scumreads earlier on / WoS + Toad scumteam despite me voting WoS at that time and still harboring fuzzy feelings for him (not in a romantic way) it just goes batshit crazy.
He doesn't even feel the need to explain his mafiareads and instead writes wall of texts about his relationship with prome.
Like I said, I don't mind that WoS vote one bit but do you really think he's a better lynch than foolishness? All it looked like around this point in the day was him trying to get himself out of the 'strong scumread' on me based on his horrible case on post earlier. He tries to defend/explain himself here, but it just doesn't jive with me On January 26 2014 04:35 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 26 2014 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok a few thigns:
VE wtf was that vote on me? I don;t even understand your reasoning for it. Because I think you're town and no one else does? Is that it?
As far as marv;s argument, the problem is not only would you be comparing mafia to town mindset, you also have to remember that VE and I are two different people. My motivation has been ridiculously on this game not only because I'm not and want to win, but because of the game itself. Marv you remember me asking you pre-game if I should even play in this game? Part of my motivation this game is to show myself (and others) that I deserve to be in here. In any other game I highly doubt I would be spending such a great deal of the free time I barely have to post in massive bursts. VE may not be similarly motivated as town (or obviously as scum).
Now as for Foolishness, call me dumb but I'm starting to worry about how quickly it's being picked up. Especially by people like Toad. And even then if I'm right and Foolishness truly is mafia, is everybody going to be bamboozled by him again when he comes back with an hour to go and posts a flashy essay? It was that and the fact that Hapa suspected you and died - but gonzaw pointed out that he posted his suspicion AFTER the scum had made their shot, so it comes back to the "he's the only one who's right about me" which is NOT a strong enough point to lynch imo. It'd be pretty ballsy (if I'm right about you) as scum to be the only one. Hapa's suspicion is a stronger point if anything and I'll grant you that, but surprisingly nobody brought it up. And his case on me was vastly different than anyone else's I believe---I think it actually wasn't terrible. So, is Toad's voteswitch authentic or is he trying to jump off a losing train early and trying to gain some towncred on a bus? On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote:
So hapa has
WoS
VE
Holy
Fool
as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch.
In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline ( clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS you're welcome. Also wtf is that kind of a question. I'm getting cold feet here as I'm seeing you and VE on the same guy I want lynched and you have the balls to call Foolishness 100% mafia and say it's either a bus from me or a townie being right? Sure I think Foolishness is the best lynch but I wouldn't have the balls to call it that 100% certain oO Also when I voted foolish it was 2-2-2 in votes. I might be called the reason you're "wagon" is losing steam, again you're welcome Like all of Toad's activity since that point feels like subtle buddying/apologizing to me for earlier D2 to get me off of him, and it actually kind of worked for a while. yes I've been trying to be nice to you and you can call that buddying, but it's obviously a gross misrepresentation given that I still think you're scummy and still don't understand why Gonzaw thought you're town. You seem to be conveniently forgetting that part when talking about how I'm "buddying" you. Do me a favor and don't just read my filter, open those posts and look at those posts in context, especially read your own posts as well to get an idea. You were emotional, I tried to talk to you, you got super angry for no reason, you got pissed for no reason and you've been screaming and kicking in the thread whenever someone mentioned your name without praising you. I'm certaintly not buddying you, I'm ignoring you while you're impossible to talk to, may that be because you're faking emotions or because you're actually emotional. There was literally no point in talking to you so I stopped the hardcourse and instead tried a more relaxed approach to figure out if you'd still keep on doing that or if you'd chill down. If you look at my posts you'll find the exact same approach everytime someone posts emotional for an extended period, in this game for example VE. People are different and telling someone who's clearly screaming like a 5 year old to cool down while keeping pressure on them might be something gonzaw likes as an approach and it may work on a select few people but I think it's usually pointless. So yes I've been posting nicer when talking with you but I certainly wasn't buddying you. Gonzaw explained pretty damn clearly why he thought I was town, whether you believe it or not is another thing. Apparently you still think I'm scummy despite your change of direction and attack on Foolishness (which was in itself a soft defense of me at the time given what the thread was up to)? Go on, Toad, let's hear what still makes me scummy. I'm all ears. Okay let's give it a try. I'm cooking so I'll f5 every 3 or so minutes but keep that in mind. From your PoVFoolishness is you main suspect. You and I are the ones that ended up voting him. Kita was the one that got Foo into trouble innitially, I know he wasn't the one with the first vote but people started seriously considering him ever after his case. Kita was more than willing to help Gonzaw to get VE lynched. The lynch was between Foo and VE. Toad kept voting Foo, while Kita, the innitiator got off to ensure a VE lynch and help Gonzaw. You are certain that Foo is mafia. This story makes no sense. Ok so you are going to try and talk. Good. Now as far as things making no sense? Wrong. VE was a viable lynch target for yesterday, even I was strongly considering lynching him but in the end guts won out. I see no reason why a theoretical town kita wouldn't change his vote to VE. I have also explained multiple times why if you and Foolishness are scum a bus from makes some degree of sense, but how about you do me a favour? Why don't we drop the idea that Foolishness is scum altogether? What happens to this post then? [/red][/red]
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On January 28 2014 04:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:48 Toadesstern wrote:On January 28 2014 04:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Um...excuse me?
I dropped Foolishness where?
He is who I am voting right now.
I am simply doing my best to cinsder all options, have a discussion with you, and scumhunt because as far as I remember even if I'm right about Foolishness and he is scum, I still have to find the second scum.
Are you seriously trying to spin my words in this way? This is like the third example of you trying to misrepresent me in this game that I can think of, and I really don't like being misrepresented. I also really don't like being baited.
Are you purposefully trying to make me angry again right now Toad? On January 28 2014 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like, there's no way you can actually believe what you just wrote, so why say it in thread, Toad? Ok this is the last time I'm telling you that. I'm not trying to make you angry, you basicly accused me of posting too nicely whenever I'm talking with you just 5 minutes ago. That's your beef with me and you're telling me I'm actively trying to make you angry? One more of those posts and I'm done talking with you for good. You do consider your options but you completly drop Kita out of the equation which I don't see someone doing if you actually happen to be town. You don't see those blatant mistakes in your arguments that makes everything you're talking about just not work out. I'm sitting here trying to figure out which assumption of mine is wrong. I don't see you doing that, instead you're ignoring it and continuing like nothing happened. That's the exact same thing I mentioned last game. You should be sitting here thinking "what that doesn't make sense, let's try to figure out why" instead of just ignoring it and continuing like nothing happened. First of all don't threaten me. I don't respond to threats. [...]
On January 28 2014 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like, there's no way you can actually believe what you just wrote, so why say it in thread, Toad?
Done talking with you about you. Anything else you want to talk about?
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so it seems that noone else is in here except for us two... I mean I said I'm fine talking with you as long as it's not about you.
So as we both seem to be reading kitas filter, what do you make of it so far? I see a bunch of questions that are weird, but that's Kitaplay no matter of alignment.
The fact that he's not really making anything with answeres is what's striking me as odd. Also I might add that for the entire day it's been pretty much just Marv, WoS and myself who are posting right now. Kita did drop by and said that the activity has changed for certain people, subtly implying (?) that it's not the case for him because he's always been like that.
If you're not willing to talk about Kita because you're not finished reading his filter (I'm haven't either... I always end up stopping at some point because it's nonstop jokes that can't be taking serious either way which is making it really hard...) how about you talk me through your opinions of this change of threadpresence. Foolishness seems to be high on peoples lynch list, especially with Gonzaw basicly ordering us to lynch him.
What do you make of the silence right now? I know you said you don't feel like talking about combinatorics, so feel free to split it up into "a) if foolish is mafia b) if foolish is town"
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On January 28 2014 08:10 Promethelax wrote:Filter page count Toad: 5 Fool: 5 Marv: 13 Austin: 9 Kita: 10 Me: 5 WoS: 14 Based on this I'd say at least one of Fool/Toad is scum. It is a rough measuring stick but since I have reason to town read the four players with double the post count of myself and the above players it isn't a bad reason to start there. I know that some scum make sure to have at least as many posts as the bottom tier townie and since there are three of us with 5 posts everyone can see that at least one townie has that post count. Since I have my own role pm I can eliminate me from the proceedings. This chart shall dictate the order I read filters in 1. Toad 2. Fool 3. Kita 4. + Show Spoiler [WoS] +Again by sheer dint of effort I find it very unlikely that WoS is scum. He said some things about VE which were so out of left field dumb (as scum) that he has to be town. + Show Spoiler +His comments that at most only one of them was scum are telling, when he, as scum, knows VE will flip town those bet hedging posts are awful. He wasn't sure enough of a town VE for him to be scum. He hedged his bets to save face, to be able to say "well, I had my doubts" if VE flipped. Not to gain towncred from his correct read In my head WoS is cleared. I may not bother to read his filter but instead interact with him
keep in mind that my filter starts on halfway through d2 and it's halfway through d3 right now, on top of that I'm a guy who posts walloftexts more so than other people and 1 page = 20 posts if you think that's a metric...
Also I'm someone who posts a crapton no matter of alignment, both as town and as mafia. LI anyone?
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On January 28 2014 08:42 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 08:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 28 2014 07:55 Promethelax wrote:
Howdy Boys,
I'm back. Sorry for my absence. Work and I had a disagreement about my free time which work won. I have a few hours tonight and all day tomorrow though and I plan on using that time to my advantage in this game.
My goals for the next 24 hours are to filter dive all living players with a primary focus on Kita/WoS/Toad/Fool
My secondary goal is to spend time discussing with Austin a conspiracy theory fermenting in the depths of my sanity-lacking mind. I hope he can dispel the notion from my head.
My tertiary goal is to prove my townienss to the thread since, with my long absences, there should be some amount of doubt about my towniness and, due to our position it would be a great benefit to town to eliminate town players from the lynchable pool.
Anyone who has any questions for me should feel free to ask them. FYI: I am not up to date with the thread.
My filter dive begins with Toad. Updates to follow. Read the thread first. Also did you include Holy in your page count re: Toad? He joined late so it's not exactly fair. (I also worry about using thread-count metrics to look into people. While it does have merit in most games even though some people argue it doesn't, in this game it seems to already have created some controversy around me. I'd prefer if that doesn't become the focus for when people inevitably critique your reads.) It isn't a metric for who is or is not scum. It is a metric for who is worth looking at first.
On January 28 2014 08:10 Promethelax wrote:Filter page count Toad: 5 Fool: 5 Marv: 13 Austin: 9 Kita: 10 Me: 5 WoS: 14 Based on this I'd say at least one of Fool/Toad is scum. It is a rough measuring stick but since I have reason to town read the four players with double the post count of myself and the above players it isn't a bad reason to start there. I know that some scum make sure to have at least as many posts as the bottom tier townie and since there are three of us with 5 posts everyone can see that at least one townie has that post count. Since I have my own role pm I can eliminate me from the proceedings. This chart shall dictate the order I read filters in 1. Toad 2. Fool 3. Kita 4. + Show Spoiler [WoS] +Again by sheer dint of effort I find it very unlikely that WoS is scum. He said some things about VE which were so out of left field dumb (as scum) that he has to be town. + Show Spoiler +His comments that at most only one of them was scum are telling, when he, as scum, knows VE will flip town those bet hedging posts are awful. He wasn't sure enough of a town VE for him to be scum. He hedged his bets to save face, to be able to say "well, I had my doubts" if VE flipped. Not to gain towncred from his correct read In my head WoS is cleared. I may not bother to read his filter but instead interact with him
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just getting in here inbetween, got exactly 1:30 to post because that's how long WCW intro is (and it's fucking epic) \o/
The hydra game wasn't a hydragame. I played it entirely alone and Marv left me hanging...
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