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On January 22 2014 05:27 gonzaw wrote:Like, I'm reading WOS posts and they seem kind of fine; except some pointless questions (like his "Do you and Hapa have a history?" question here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=13#247 ) But then him being too passive and "nooby" strikes me as off. I'm pretty grey on others, but I haven't finished reading yet (on page 16). Kita seems to be looking better though. I like the fact that his thought process is consistent when going against sandro and myself. I mean that "Don't tell scum about what you are looking for because they will avoid it" when he voted sandro and did that stuff to me.
Sorry, why can't mafia do this?
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you're very strange gonzaw
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austin:
On January 21 2014 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd rather talk about marv. He suggest that the all vanilla setup makes things difficult to start off rather than attempting to generate conversation.
On January 21 2014 22:28 kitaman27 wrote:
Mostly a weak idea to see if anyone wanted to take it farther than it warranted. Nothing useful really came out of it, besides maybe a few unnecessary defense posts that could possibly be looked at post flip later on in the game.
Do you feel Hapa's attempts to generate conversation are town motivated or is he more concerned with personal appearance?
I said I was ok with this explanation originally, but mulling it over it doesn't make much sense to me. Kinda weakly attacks me on a dumb basis, and the defence posts? People of either alignment are gonna make comments about how I play (early) Day 1
Anyways the bolded was one of the questions I was talking about. I find it hard to describe but meh. It's like leading by giving options... just weird phrasing.
On January 21 2014 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 12:16 kitaman27 wrote:...The reason to random vote sandroba is because he is incredibly lazy and notorious for getting away without posting on day one. Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here. I wanted to see whether you thought that I was pushing sandroba based on his first post or not. Regardless of whether or not sandroba will react to having votes on him, I still think the best way to start off a game is to place votes early on 1-2 targets. If we're discussing players that have recently posted, I'm not really interested in joining you on VE. Would you be willing to support a Wave bandwagon? I find very few of his questions relevant thus far. I don't see what he is looking for. Wave, would you like to explain your approach to the first few hours of the game?
Just a really odd way of asking Wave about his lacklustre start, don't you think?
On January 21 2014 13:12 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 21 2014 13:03 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 13:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm voting for Prome because he immediately asked you a question about me that applied to Wave equally, and then made up some nonsense reasoning as to why it applied to me but not Wave. That's not odd to you? Not particularly. What's more odd to me is how unwilling you've been to pursue this scumread on Prome despite how active he's been in the thread the past few hours. Like, you're entirely skirting around me trying to discuss this with you, while accusing me of not discussing it. Is anyone else seeing this? I'm probably closer to a 2 on Prom than a 10 right now based on your reasoning. Do you think Hapa is mafia for the way he is attacking you?
Obvious and leading.
On January 21 2014 13:29 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 11:50 Promethelax wrote:
VE: no, everyone is suspicious because you guys had the chance to start without me but did not start. Hello posts are nothing and nothing was done. For like four hours. You say that everyone is suspicious for not getting things rolling, yet later decide it's worth defending marv that he is willing to take a back seat role at the start. Do you think VE is the type of player that engages in serious discussion from the start?
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Again obvious and leading.
On January 21 2014 23:04 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 09:31 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 09:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm trying to figure that out too. My plan as of now is to wait for some scummer to give themselves away in their first post. Not much of a plan if you're going to warn people about what you're looking for. ##Vote Sandroba(Did you catch me?) Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:16 kitaman27 wrote:
If you start calling people scummy and vote for someone off their first post, people won't take you serious later on. I certainly wouldn't do something like that! Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 22:42 Promethelax wrote:
Kita (said "I don't call people scummy early because it makes people listen to me less later" which isn't true and so totally wired that it rings scummy since I cannot figure out what it gives a town Kita while it does provide some benefit to a scum Kita.) So one of your strongest reads currently is based off a joke post? gonzaw, do you think VE's response to early pressure was a scummy overreaction or simply a concerned townie trying to fight off a bad argument?
Again, it's giving binary options... like providing a wrong and right answer.
None of these by themselves really suggests that much, but there's so many of them. All leading, or weirdly phrased, or kinda obvious questions. Odd.
What I actually find suspicious of kita in light of recent posts is how he's attacking gonzaw. gonzaw has been looking pretty town to me lately, he's eager, lots of big posts, he's commenting on a lot of players, he's suspicious of a lot of players with decent grounds, and yet kita is nitpicking at him for his vote on Foolish compared to kita's. That's unnatural and it's not how I'm viewing the game and it doesn't feel right at all.
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ok he can stay for now
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Do you think gonzaw is suspicious at the moment austin?
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Foolish I'm curious if you've looked at any of WoS's meta at all?
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I think you're more warranted on Holy than you are on VE, gonzaw. You're right that Holy did seem unnecessarily angry/fierce in that post you pointed out, and that is scummy
VE I'm much more inclined to agree with Foolish on. I don't really see anything in his play that I find particularly scummy. He's pretty impetuous and involved
gonzaw do you think kita's questioning of you is warranted? No-one seems at all interested and if you aren't then I'm gonna have to rethink this :/
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On January 22 2014 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:Would this suggest that you agree with Fool's reads, or do you just think his post is a town-tell? Do you think he's capable of faking those kinds of posts as scum?
I think his post looks reasonable townie and there's a lot of effort. I'm not sure how much i agree with his reads atm
kita lower, prome higher, marv much much higher, WoS ??, gonzaw higher
But his reasoning feels townie - putting me where I am because I'm forgettable, while ego crushing I like it as an angle to take, it's non-routine
i think he's capable of these posts as mafia, especially after the champions game, and the way he made a list at the end was actually eerily similar to how he made lists at the end of those posts :p but overall the meat of it made sense. and he's trying
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On January 22 2014 07:48 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 07:33 marvellosity wrote:
What I actually find suspicious of kita in light of recent posts is how he's attacking gonzaw. gonzaw has been looking pretty town to me lately, he's eager, lots of big posts, he's commenting on a lot of players, he's suspicious of a lot of players with decent grounds, and yet kita is nitpicking at him for his vote on Foolish compared to kita's. That's unnatural and it's not how I'm viewing the game and it doesn't feel right at all. From the start of the game to the point where he votes Foolishness and I comment on him, this is what he has commented on regarding other players: "Why the hell does WOS post "Welp" so many times? :/" "Like, I'm reading WOS posts and they seem kind of fine; except some pointless questions" (Originally posted by me) A valid post questioning Holy's defense of Foolishness. Now you say that you are suspicious of me for my attack on gonzaw due to the fact that "he's suspicious of a lot of players with decent grounds" Am I missing something or are you not reading the thread marv? gonzaw did make a big post on Holy that I have yet to read, but my attack post occurred at an earlier time. How can your suspicions against me be valid if you've got your timeline mixed up?
It means I'm in your filter, if the timing is off then I'll check, I thought he'd posted other substantive thoughts about VE and musings on WoS etc by then
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the point being the more gonzaw posts the better he looks to me, but you keep on him (i don't care about the earlier attacks so much, even though they are a little weird to me, but not weird in a scummy way)
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although apparently i'm the only one who has a hardon for gonzaw right now :/
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I have many kinks, tentacles aint one :p
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On January 22 2014 08:27 Hapahauli wrote:2) Foolishness's PostYeah, so I don't think it's a town-tell (as many people have mentioned before). His post in Parallel Worlds comes to mind, that he can fake these larger posts as scum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387370¤tpage=31#607I will say though that I agree with a lot of it. Mostly that Prome and WoS's contributions after their early-game posting have fallen off a cliff. There's nothing in their filter besides early-game fluff yet, and looking back on things, their early-game contributions weren't all that impressive. I'm not 100% convinced that either are scum yet, but at this present time, they'd make good lynches for their lack of meaningful contributions to the thread. As for who I'd prefer between Holy/Prome/WoS? Not sure yet, and we have 24 hours to decide atleast.
As for other players, I'm currently null on Foolishness, Marv, and Sandro. Town-reads on everyone else.
To the bolded: that post in Parallels was a big load of bollocks though. Like he was mafia because everything in the post was bullshit and he didn't call out the genuinely scummy people/defended them.
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I did play in that game so I remember ^^. And yes it's the content. Enough for me to not want to lynch him atm.
gonzaw: Holy or Wave. Dunno about Prome, I don't have the issues other ppl seem to. Apparently I'm seeing ghosts with kita, I'll come back to that (or not) later. The Holy emotional stuff is pretty good as mentioned
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hapa? kita was clearly suspicious of gonzaw earlier on (aka "contributions without being a contribution") and to then keep nitpicking at gonzaw's case when kita's vote is on the same person is... strange to say the least
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