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marvellosity
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kitaman27
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On January 22 2014 23:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Kita is your vote on gonzaw anything but policy atm? My vote is on sandroba. I suppose you could call it policy. I'd much rather lynch him now, over an individual who is playing if he isn't going to contribute. I also expect more than one big post if he does return. I hadn't looked into Prom/Holy/yourself since your names are coming up the most often. I will certainly change my vote from sandroba if I find someone that I'm confident about. Possibly even slightly less than confident. I really wish people would vote sooner though, even if they need to change their mind. This seems like it is going towards the path where everyone shows up with their vote an hour or two before the lynch. | ||
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marvellosity
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kitaman27
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On January 22 2014 23:12 WaveofShadow wrote: My last note on him in my QT On January 22 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Too much filter diving If that's the case, Wave must be town! *wink wink* | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 22 2014 23:20 marvellosity wrote: kita, what difference is it if people vote "sooner" and you voting someone on policy when you'll quite possibly change your mind when you look into the leading candidates? I don't get it Mostly an excuse to get more content in the thread earlier, rather than later. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On January 22 2014 23:18 kitaman27 wrote: My vote is on sandroba. I suppose you could call it policy. I'd much rather lynch him now, over an individual who is playing if he isn't going to contribute. I also expect more than one big post if he does return. I hadn't looked into Prom/Holy/yourself since your names are coming up the most often. I will certainly change my vote from sandroba if I find someone that I'm confident about. Possibly even slightly less than confident. I really wish people would vote sooner though, even if they need to change their mind. This seems like it is going towards the path where everyone shows up with their vote an hour or two before the lynch. Can you explain the logic behind the bolded? On January 22 2014 23:21 kitaman27 wrote: If that's the case, Wave must be town! *wink wink* I see what you did there. | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 22 2014 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Can you explain the logic behind the bolded? You guys are likely going to take the most time. Mostly split my time looking at 5 people last night, those 3 today (and possibly relooking at sandroba/marv) and leaving the rest out of consideration for now. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On January 22 2014 01:59 gonzaw wrote: Anyways Ehmm, I'm not really convinced by this. Yes, I cherry picked, and knew it is kind of pointless. I could have just said "read all his filters", but I needed to at least quote 1 or 2 posts (for those that can't be arsed to read his filters). You can easily read his filters (they are short) and come to the conclusion yourself. I'm wondering though, if you think the guide is wrong or something? You don't mention. Do you realize the differences between "scum Foo trolly start" and "town Foo trolly start"? Why do you insinuate his start this game is his "town trolly start" and not scum? If you vote him based on activity that's actually more lame. Town Foo isn't super active as marv either. This post of his is just one example I found of towniness in gonzaw---once again I'll state I'm not a huge fan of meta but I did find his earlier argument somewhat compelling. I also find it pretty unlikely for mafia to storm into the thread with a whole bunch of obviously cherry picked posts to implicate somebody, and then be fully prepared to admit it. | ||
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kitaman27
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WaveofShadow
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On January 22 2014 23:27 kitaman27 wrote: You guys are likely going to take the most time. Mostly split my time looking at 5 people last night, those 3 today (and possibly relooking at sandroba/marv) and leaving the rest out of consideration for now. I disagree. At the time of you posting that, Prome and I didn't exactly have long filters full of varied content---shouldn't be particularly difficult to come up with at the very least a cursory read on either one of us. I agree that Holy (at least to me) would take a little bit of time. Why would you say that Prome and I will take a lot of time? MAYBE Prome I can agree with if you wanted to do some meta-analysis, but I get the feeling you know me pretty well from this post: On January 22 2014 03:16 kitaman27 wrote: I haven't spent much time looking at Wave yet, aside from a couple filter dives, though I don't believe I had a scum read on him at any point. He had a series of uninteresting questions, but that seems to be a common trend in his town games, so I felt it was worth dropping. What should take a long time about giving a read? On January 22 2014 23:28 kitaman27 wrote: What type of answer were you looking for by the way considering you asked that multiple times? See the above. | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 22 2014 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote: I disagree. At the time of you posting that, Prome and I didn't exactly have long filters full of varied content---shouldn't be particularly difficult to come up with at the very least a cursory read on either one of us. I agree that Holy (at least to me) would take a little bit of time. Okay, I guess we choose to use our time differently? Not sure what you're getting at. On January 22 2014 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote: What should take a long time about giving a read? Err reading? Looking at Prom at the moment. | ||
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Promethelax
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On January 21 2014 22:52 marvellosity wrote: Prome, tell me you and Hapa aren't the two players in the game most likely to magic crap out of nothing at the start of a game... ^^ gonz why do you want to concentrate on me if I happen to be voting the person you seem to want to lynch? Is every one of your posts so far a sham? D: I know it and don't disagree with it. I was just pointing out that you are the only one who picked up on what I was doing being easy early game pressure based on very little to get the game moving versus serious scum accusation which I believe with all my heart. On January 21 2014 23:04 kitaman27 wrote: snip So one of your strongest reads currently is based off a joke post? snip Yes, the game is early and you posted something which feels wrong to me. And yes it was in a joke post. But, eh, in my one read through that stuck out to me as concerning. On January 21 2014 23:14 Holyflare wrote: There is clearly more than 1 scum in this game. If he has found 1 why has he got the intention to not read to find another? Will follow up on this as I read but this post stands out on my so-bad-it-has-to-come-from-town radar. The post so deeply misunderstands how to play mafia as a whole and places pressure so fully away from anything resembling clear thought that it does nothing. I cannot expound enough on how poor I think this line of thought is. But I don't see it coming from a scummer since my memory of HF is that he doesn't suck at scum and wouldn't post something so totally awful if he was concerned about how other people read him. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On January 22 2014 23:38 kitaman27 wrote: Okay, I guess we choose to use our time differently? Not sure what you're getting at. Err reading? Looking at Prom at the moment. What I'm getting at is that I find it odd that you specifically chose three people who appear/appeared to be under scrutiny as lynch targets (named specifically by Foolishness and you, though I'm not certain if the entire thread thought/thinks so) as those you would wait to give reads on, when I would think that giving reads on said targets would probably be the most useful thing for town at any given point. I'm not even entirely sure the three of us WERE under as much scrutiny as you appeared to believe, but that skirts a fine line between subjectivity and objectivity so I'll let that go. | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 22 2014 23:46 WaveofShadow wrote: I would think that giving reads on said targets would probably be the most useful thing for town at any given point. If that is the case, is there a reason that you haven't given a strong opinion yourself on either individual? | ||
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Promethelax
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On January 21 2014 23:16 marvellosity wrote: Maybe Hero mafia gonzaw I bussed Adam because Palmar caught him red-handed and if I didn't bus him we were both going down Gonzaw, I don't know how much you want my insight into this but I talked with marv a lot during Hero mini and he explained his thought process to me. He is willing to bus early if the player is a detriment to his team but because marv cannot be the lylo player for a scum team (due to the lynch marv at lylo meta) he refuses to bus early without reason. He needs to set up his scum-buddies for the end game, not set up himself. On January 22 2014 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Morning guys. Marv no, I don't think it's the same kind of Prome that I'm used to seeing. What it reminds me of is that game I was the mayor and lynched the piss out of Prome D1. He was a lurky little shit that game, but I caught him on something very similar to what I noticed this game. Like I think it's awful that I have to ask this, but did you read my post on him? That being said, I at least dig one of his targets. I asked Foolish about his thoughts on this same matter and what I got is "lol you and Hapa townies" which is definitely NOT what I was after. He answered my question as if he'd read the exchange between us, but left me with a feeling that he hadn't actually read anything at all. If I see one more person say they're going to ignore my posts, I won't be responsible for the outcome. You have been warned. I totally disagree with the similarities to that game (LX, I think) though to each their own. You can keep reading me and it should become rather obvious that I am town within a bit as it always does. On the subject of Foolish though: I really can't stand what he did there as it seemed totally disconnected from anything within the thread and more like someone dismissing two players that they had not read. I find foolishness scummy for it but the last time he rolled town he did play in a similar manner (personality II) and lurked, got called scummy and helped wreck the game. I want to assume that foolishness is still the town player I fell in love with reading the first aperture game but I don't know if he is. Does anyone know Fool's current abilities as town? I know they aren't bad but are they the same as his heyday? On January 22 2014 01:50 kitaman27 wrote: How much time did you spend looking into Foolishness's history gonzaw? Additionally, what is the point of posting a guide on how to read Foolishness? If you point out his scum qualities before he has any actual posts, do you expect him to read your guide and then get caught anyways? Do you think this was an efficient use of your town as a player who hasn't even read the thread? When I think of a player that gets off to a trolly start as town, Foolishness is one of the first people to come to mind so I disagree with your assessment based on the posts that you have cherry picked. I'm still content with my vote on him however based on activity. This kind of post is why I feel all hinky about you Kita. Rest of the thread: this post adds nothing to the discussion, doesn't do anything but castigate Gonzaw (a player who, based on length of post alone looks townie) and tries to throw doubt everywhere. It reminds me of a Kita scum game with WBG where the two of them got in the thread every time a lylch they didn't like was discussed to talk shit about the lynch by attacking the guy who was leading said lynch. Can anyone remember said game? Either way, that is with or without that meta, this rings of scum to me enough that I am comfortable laying down a ##Vote:Kitaman On January 22 2014 01:55 marvellosity wrote: you have a lot of funny questions in your filter kita. why are you so much more succinct than I am? Jerk  On January 22 2014 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Stop responding and start reading. Kita didn't even care, he's still voting for Foolish. Thread. Read. But that is the thing, no? Kita is attacking the case on Fool while voting for him. He says that trolly starts are a fooolish M.O. but is voting Fool off of said start. My brain is thoroughly wrinkled. Can you help VE? Show me how Kita's thoughts are consistent. On January 22 2014 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Making up bullshit justification is totes fine, and not at all out of character for Prome, you're probably right. I think you are being sarcastic but, uh, yeah, it is not out of character for me and is totes fine. The game was not moving and needed to be moving. I found a way to get us to make cases and discuss each other instead of sit around and twiddle each others' thumbs. I don't find it terribly convincing but it was worth bringing up even more so because I knew it would start discussion which had totally stalled out the gate. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On January 22 2014 23:59 kitaman27 wrote: If that is the case, is there a reason that you haven't given a strong opinion yourself on either individual? Because I haven't been driven to through conversation, which is often when I do most of my reading/analysis. Very few people have interacted with me at all throughout the game, Holy himself has basically ignored direct posts/questions from me, and so beyond my own cursory notes I have made I haven't attempted to delve much deeper. Unprovoked I often make posts that go ignored until somebody decides to find something scummy in one of them. I am not you, however, so I am unsure why you think the comparison is fit despite what I said. Now, would you like to see what I have on Prome/Holy thus far? | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 23 2014 00:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Now, would you like to see what I have on Prome/Holy thus far? It would be a lot easier if you could just tell us without requiring me to ask  | ||
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kitaman27
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WaveofShadow
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Reading Prome's recent summary has actually inspired me, especially given how a few other players have come up with similar concerns about your posting. ##Vote: kita My vote on you atm remains independent of my thoughts on Prome at the moment. Whether you want the reads or not I'll go into Prome and Holy now, kita, so thanks for the indirect push on that subject. On January 23 2014 00:05 kitaman27 wrote: Prom, are you going to be posting a lot within the next hour? If so, I'll move on to Holy and come back to you. Ehhhhh I still don't understand this. | ||
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