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I appear at the left side of the pairs! F*** you WOS I beat you!
Anyways.....lol? Dunno how to react kita, seems everybody is throwing new guys into the lynch table each minute
Although I was almost going to joke about sandro lurking his way into victory as scum or something before lol.
....meh.
I was going to say "I'll wait till Prome gets here and contributes", but I know exactly what he'll do. He'll jump on your case and lynch the lurker sandro, based on his "we policy lynch the lurker no matter what" thing.
You seem to not mention Holy, why is that?
Speaking of marv, I see him playing like he did in MTG Mini Mafia 2. His inaction makes you want to think "He's not lynching the whole scumteam, so he must be scum no matter what", but well....he's just lazy town marv likely, like in that game.
Apparently serious marv plays as FiveTouch, but lazy marv plays as "marvellosity".
Considering that previous experience with him (where he was like 1HP from dying before the game ended), well....I'd like you to check that game out (or just take that knowledge into account) and tell me if it changes your read on him or not.
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I'm still not convinced on Foo's posts. A "big meaty post" is not what makes Foolishness town, in any of the games he plays in, in my mind.
More recently, he didn't act like it in Personality 2, and didn't in Liar Game either. I.e Foo is not the scummy guy who revindicates himself with that big post. At least that's the picture I get from reading his filter those games.
Like Hapa said, "big meaty posts" can and usually do (even if it was just once) come from scum Foo instead.
His second post "seemed" townie...but then again he just sheeped my Holy read, and biffle-waffled on WOS a little bit.
It's also pretty funny how he says something like this...
On January 22 2014 09:22 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 08:00 gonzaw wrote:I thought my previous sexy posts already made me town by then kita  Hmm, okay, I think we might get a little bit off track with all the discussions, questions, and shit going on. Personally, I want these: 1)Foolishness to do something more (I'm not very much convinced by his post. I read the Champion's Game as well marv). Notice how there's a lack of defense for his "horrible" posts. 2)Get some consensus on Holy based on what I posted 3)I guess some real talk about who to lynch this D1, not just fleeting questions and suspicions. All my posts and every word I write has a distinct purpose. I don't have time to waste.
...yet he makes posts like this:
On January 21 2014 15:45 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 15:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 21 2014 15:41 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
This game just got a whole lot easier. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow o.O Welp, don't know what to make of that, so I'ma ignore it for now. Welcome to the game Foolishness? Wait. Wait. If you are going to ignore it, why did you respond to it?
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On January 22 2014 13:28 gonzaw wrote:
You seem to not mention Holy, why is that?
Nevermind I don't know how to read apparently.
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On January 22 2014 13:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 11:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 22 2014 11:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just said that I get townie feels from the way Kita is questioning people - that earns him the hold. Prome has done something suspicious, and if he comes back and turns on the town then sure my mind could feasibly be changed, but I'm suspicious of him based on what he's already done in the thread. They're two different scenarios. Your main point against him is the weird take on our similar posts early, I get that. You also specifically state On January 22 2014 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 21 2014 11:47 Promethelax wrote:On January 21 2014 11:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Or rather, it is policy, but certainly not discussion. You got so close to making that case on me. So close. And yet so far. It is policy and we could discuss it, I just assume no one will disagree with it so there is no discussion which will stem from it. The discussion comes from me posting things which you can call me town on or base a case on. That is what generates discussion, not policy we all agree on. Since you are, so far, the only person interrogating people on the shit they post I'm choosing to believe you are town for the moment. Since I am town that means you and I shall discuss other people. In this case VE and this post: On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think. You see VE knows how to say things. But this post doesn't say things. This post, when the fluff is removed says that we should let Sandroba do his own thing because no matter what he'll do his own thing and that Sandroba may or may not catch scum. It shows such a lack of curiosity that I am disturbed. Do you, Hapa, agree? y/n? Will you go on a date with me y/n? This was a terrible reasoning for suspecting me in the first place, but to be fair it looks like a conversation starter more than an actual accusation, which can and does come from both alignments. However as a conversation starter, I do notice a distinct lack of calling me scummy or suspicious, only "disturbing". Could be benign icebreaking, or malicious doubt-weaving. Who can be so sure so early? I think it's suspicious because I think the rest of his play following this has been suspicious to me. What about the rest of Prome's play aside from the comparison between us has been suspicious? My main point is the rest of his play from his original point against me. There hasn't been anything else Wave, what do you want me to say?
I don't, I'm just sort of curious because the day is ticking down, I'm looking for scum and I don't find myself convinced to vote Prome.
Kita re: your list.
I don't know whether to be relieved or insulted.
Is there a reason you left out reads of me/Holy/Prome specifically until tomorrow?
Gonzaw:
On January 22 2014 13:40 gonzaw wrote:I'm still not convinced on Foo's posts. A "big meaty post" is not what makes Foolishness town, in any of the games he plays in, in my mind. More recently, he didn't act like it in Personality 2, and didn't in Liar Game either. I.e Foo is not the scummy guy who revindicates himself with that big post. At least that's the picture I get from reading his filter those games. Like Hapa said, "big meaty posts" can and usually do (even if it was just once) come from scum Foo instead. His second post "seemed" townie...but then again he just sheeped my Holy read, and biffle-waffled on WOS a little bit. It's also pretty funny how he says something like this... Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 09:22 Foolishness wrote:On January 22 2014 08:00 gonzaw wrote:I thought my previous sexy posts already made me town by then kita Hmm, okay, I think we might get a little bit off track with all the discussions, questions, and shit going on. Personally, I want these: 1)Foolishness to do something more (I'm not very much convinced by his post. I read the Champion's Game as well marv). Notice how there's a lack of defense for his "horrible" posts. 2)Get some consensus on Holy based on what I posted 3)I guess some real talk about who to lynch this D1, not just fleeting questions and suspicions. All my posts and every word I write has a distinct purpose. I don't have time to waste. ...yet he makes posts like this: Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 15:45 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2014 15:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 21 2014 15:41 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
This game just got a whole lot easier. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow o.O Welp, don't know what to make of that, so I'ma ignore it for now. Welcome to the game Foolishness? Wait. Wait. If you are going to ignore it, why did you respond to it?
He 'biffle-waffled' on me and yet his vote remains. I don't know about you but I'm not convinced to vote me.
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Vote Count - Deadline at Wednesday, Jan 22 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Promethelax (1): VisceraEyes
WaveOfShadow (1): Foolishness
Foolishness (1): marvellosity, kitaman27, gonzaw
Sandroba (1): kitaman27, kitaman27
Hapahauli (0): VisceraEyes
VisceraEyes (0): Hapahauli, kitaman27
Not voted (6): Promethelax, Austinmcc, Sandroba, HolyFlare, WaveofShadow, Haupahauli, marvellosity
If you notice a mistake, please let us know!
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Alright, if nobody else has the balls to say it, I will.
What the actual fuck is with the activity on D1 with 10h to go in a lynch?
Somebody talk to me; I'm sick of being around when nobody else seems to be and vice versa.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
Hey Wave! Good timing. I'm also about presently.
What do you make of kita's long post?
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Im at work.
Seems well likely rush into a lynch candidate 20 minutes before deadline if this continues.
So marvy, are you so convinced Foo is town because of his posts? If so could you try to convince me of it?
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kitaman27
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I'd much rather hear who marv is considering voting, rather than defending a player he thinks is town.
+ Show Spoiler [Potential Mafia Pairs] +{Foolishness,Marvellosity}
{Foolishness,Promethelax}
{Foolishness,Austinmcc}
{Foolishness,Sandroba}
{Foolishness,VisceraEyes}
{Foolishness,HolyFlare}
{Foolishness,Hapahauli}
{Foolishness,Gonzaw}
{Foolishness,WaveofShadow}
{Marvellosity,Promethelax}
{Marvellosity,Austinmcc}
{Marvellosity,Sandroba}
{Marvellosity,VisceraEyes}
{Marvellosity,HolyFlare}
{Marvellosity,Hapahauli}
{Marvellosity,Gonzaw}
{Marvellosity,WaveofShadow}
{Promethelax,Austinmcc}
{Promethelax,Sandroba}
{Promethelax,VisceraEyes}
{Promethelax,HolyFlare}
{Promethelax,Hapahauli}
{Promethelax,Gonzaw}
{Promethelax,WaveofShadow}
{Austinmcc,Sandroba}
{Austinmcc,VisceraEyes}
{Austinmcc,HolyFlare}
{Austinmcc,Hapahauli}
{Austinmcc,Gonzaw}
{Austinmcc,WaveofShadow}
{Sandroba,VisceraEyes}
{Sandroba,HolyFlare}
{Sandroba,Hapahauli}
{Sandroba,Gonzaw}
{Sandroba,WaveofShadow}
{VisceraEyes,HolyFlare}
{VisceraEyes,Hapahauli}
{VisceraEyes,Gonzaw}
{VisceraEyes,WaveofShadow}
{HolyFlare,Hapahauli}
{HolyFlare,Gonzaw}
{HolyFlare,WaveofShadow}
{Hapahauli,Gonzaw}
{Hapahauli,WaveofShadow}
{Gonzaw,WaveofShadow}
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
I am not.
But there's a large spectrum between "would lynch" and "convinced is town"
I'm curious what you would have actually found townie from Foolishness yourself? What would he have to have posted recently?
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On January 22 2014 13:00 kitaman27 wrote:I brought up some minor suspicions of Hapa early on in the game, but on second thought they probably didn't warrant much weight. When the game began, I was hesitant to trust the player that was going out of their way to look pro-town and generate "discussion" figuring that there might be a mafia player who is trying to teach their shadow how to maintain a strong thread presence. However, while Hapa is certainly capable of presenting strong town posts mid-game as mafia, I found that he appears to strongly prefer a backseat role on day one. He has mostly stayed active even after the start of the game, so I'm willing to put him in the back of my mind. Foolishness is pretty reliable for the one big post after people share their annoyance that he hasn't solved the game yet. I'm satisfied enough to move my vote, as long as he doesn't expect the one post to buy enough town cred to ride out the rest of the day in cruise control. His reads match up pretty closely to what I'm thinking at the moment, although I suppose it's not too difficult to call townie looking players town and then pick a couple personal preferences from the remaining group. There is one thing that I disagree with in Foolishness's assessment. He states that sandroba has had a strong appearance and has brought things to the thread. I don't see it so far. When he rejoined the thread, his re-enterence was extremely vanilla. He asked Foolishness about his WoS, which had already been beaten to death and he gave a softball to marv. His statement about Prom wasn't really anything new that he brought to the thread. I'm always hesitant to go after sandroba because I know a lot of the time he goes long periods of time without contributing much and then bursts into the thread with a great case. However, there is a distinct lack of aggressiveness in his posts and after 30 hours into the game, if he can't be bothered to play, that's on him, not me. I may have overreacted to gonzaw's Foolishness case. I completely skimmed past his thoughts on VE and he moves onto sharing thoughts about Holy when he had the option to stay where he is. I haven't decided between town or mafia with a lot of spare time, but activity buys him enough town cred that I don't want to lynch him right now. marv hasn't made a lynch push yet, which is a concern. On day one especially, I know I like to wait until late into the day to make my mind up, but at least I try to provide some direction to where I am leaning. With marv, I really don't know who he is suspicious of. He appears curious about myself, but only really brings stuff up casually without much resolve. He comments that gonzaw made some valid points, but he hasn't followed up on this by attacking any of the targets in question. Nothing really comes to mind when I think of how Marv plays mafia. I remember when he fooled me with active posting when he was new to the forum and I believe he played a backseat role in themed game, but I'll have to take a closer look at his filter. I can definitely see a mafia Marv from a gut read though. There was a post from Prom where he commented on something I was thinking so I gave him town cred, but I can't even find it now so it couldn't have been very strong. I hope to look at Holy/Wave/Prom tomorrow. I'll be at work all day so the 6PM lynch doesn't leave much time to come up with a preferred lynch candidate, but I'll try to do my best. I think austin may have buddied up to me when he defended me where I didn't really need defending. He amuses me though, so I'm not sure we should lynch him yet. @Foolishness, was there anything in particular that made you eliminate sandroba from lynch consideration? ##Unvote
##Sandroba+ Show Spoiler [Potential Mafia Pairs] +{Foolishness,Marvellosity}
{Foolishness,Promethelax}
{Foolishness,Austinmcc}
{Foolishness,Sandroba}
{Foolishness,VisceraEyes}
{Foolishness,HolyFlare}
{Foolishness,Hapahauli}
{Foolishness,Gonzaw}
{Foolishness,WaveofShadow}
{Marvellosity,Promethelax}
{Marvellosity,Austinmcc}
{Marvellosity,Sandroba}
{Marvellosity,VisceraEyes}
{Marvellosity,HolyFlare}
{Marvellosity,Hapahauli}
{Marvellosity,Gonzaw}
{Marvellosity,WaveofShadow}
{Promethelax,Austinmcc}
{Promethelax,Sandroba}
{Promethelax,VisceraEyes}
{Promethelax,HolyFlare}
{Promethelax,Hapahauli}
{Promethelax,Gonzaw}
{Promethelax,WaveofShadow}
{Austinmcc,Sandroba}
{Austinmcc,VisceraEyes}
{Austinmcc,HolyFlare}
{Austinmcc,Hapahauli}
{Austinmcc,Gonzaw}
{Austinmcc,WaveofShadow}
{Sandroba,VisceraEyes}
{Sandroba,HolyFlare}
{Sandroba,Hapahauli}
{Sandroba,Gonzaw}
{Sandroba,WaveofShadow}
{VisceraEyes,HolyFlare}
{VisceraEyes,Hapahauli}
{VisceraEyes,Gonzaw}
{VisceraEyes,WaveofShadow}
{HolyFlare,Hapahauli}
{HolyFlare,Gonzaw}
{HolyFlare,WaveofShadow}
{Hapahauli,Gonzaw}
{Hapahauli,WaveofShadow}
{Gonzaw,WaveofShadow}
Strictly from a meta standpoint, fabricated reads are not something mafia kita couldn't come up with, so the existence of the post doesn't say much to me.
The content however is a different story.
He appears to be saying a lot but he takes no hard stances that I can see. He is missing reads on me/Holy/Prome specifically, who I believe were the three mafia candidates that Foolishness came up with? That kind of surprises me because the largest part of his post is dedicated to Foolishness so you would think he would go a little deeper and have a look into those people Foolishness was interested in to try and get a read on him, at the very least.
He finishes off the content with a direct question, something that makes me feel oddly more at ease because I know it's something I do a great deal (as people have been so kind as to pick out multiple times against me this game)---it's a somewhat relevant question given sandroba's (and Foolishness'?) absence and while questions like this, especially towards afk players are easy to toss out as either alignment, it's basically impossible to do ask question like that without showing some form of thought process. The problem here is I can't necessarily tell which as the question itself is kind of disjointed.
The 'mafia pairs' business means absolutely nothing to me whatsoever.
Kita is one of those players I inherently have a hard time trusting---this could simply be personal bias because I believe it was the first two games I played with him (The Game/PYP Dr Who) that I got pretty burned. I know him to be a very intelligent guy so I know what he is capable of, and I will admit I can't tell what he has in mind a lot of the time, so I work with what I've got in thread.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 22 2014 22:49 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather hear who marv is considering voting, rather than defending a player he thinks is town.
Wave looks better, for obvious reasons
Prome is looking worse by default
sandroba is looking worse by default
Your recent posts look quite ok plus none of my townreads are interested in you
Holy looks bad because I have no idea what he is doing with the blatantly town Hapa
Within those 3. Maybe sand gets another day for being sand. Prome/Holy. Want both to post.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
mebbe I'll just sheep Hapa in the end for dat towncredz
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Id expect town foo to not make horrible unfounded one liners to then afk for example, and to be a little more engaged with the thread...other than just making those 2 posts.
Hell you can even compare it to sandro, who at least engaged the thread a little bit wven if he lurks
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
So you think sand looks better than Fool?
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
Sorry Wave, what's the actual alignment conclusion (if any) about that post in the end?
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I don't think I have one, honestly.
My last note on him in my QT was something along the lines of 'fucked if I know.'
I want to say I lean scum on him, but I really can't tell if that's just the bias/paranoia talking or it truly bothers me that despite all of his posting I don't feel that I know what he's actually thinking.
Kita is your vote on gonzaw anything but policy atm?
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Well...yeah i think sandro looks better than Foo (i mean im voting foo not sandro lol)
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On January 22 2014 23:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think I have one, honestly.
My last note on him in my QT was something along the lines of 'fucked if I know.'
I want to say I lean scum on him, but I really can't tell if that's just the bias/paranoia talking or it truly bothers me that despite all of his posting I don't feel that I know what he's actually thinking.
Kita is your vote on gonzaw anything but policy atm?
That should say sandroba.
whoopsie.
Too much filter diving
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Although Prome is looking worse by the minute by not showimg up.
Maybe we should follow his advice and policy lymch him?
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