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VisceraEyes
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
But....some stuff still doesn't make sense. The "story" he's weaven seems consistent perhaps, but still doesn't make sense overall. Why "tunnel" me like that? Like he fixates on me for quite a while when I (imo) made a reasonable case on Foo (or at least enough justification for me going against him) and clearly said I couldn't read the thread (cause I was at work). His Hapa stuff still doesn't make sense, how the hell can you have that kind of reaction to this "lovely pro town hapa" that's clearly faulty. He defends Foolishness over and over even when he posts stuff about him that's suspicious (like the first part of this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=16#318 ). He doesn't mention anything about anybody else. No WOS, no Prome, no sandro, no austin, no VE, etc. Nothing. He just "tunneled" Hapa, went against me, and is now defending himself. He hasn't contributed anything else at all | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 22 2014 09:44 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm here, what's the beef Gonzaw? Where have I backed out of my Prom scumread? On January 22 2014 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote: This was a terrible reasoning for suspecting me in the first place, but to be fair it looks like a conversation starter more than an actual accusation, which can and does come from both alignments. However as a conversation starter, I do notice a distinct lack of calling me scummy or suspicious, only "disturbing". Could be benign icebreaking, or malicious doubt-weaving. Who can be so sure so early? I think it's suspicious because I think the rest of his play following this has been suspicious to me. This, coupled with you never mentioning Prome again, can only logically make me think you backed out of your Prome scumread. If you didn't.....wtf are you doing then? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Foolishness I'll admit, when you first posted this I was going to drop the hammer on you when I came back. WaveOfShadow I will go into a little more detail here. On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Welp, gonna go with my usual opener. I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum. One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today. Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something. What about this post is good? He says generic things that anybody can say. Also the "Let's do something" seems incredibly forced. What does he hope to accomplish by saying that? I don't know (most likely he's mafia) and it feels like he's trying very hard to sound like he's vested in the game (when all he would have to do is just post whatever his thoughts are). And then there's this post as well. On January 21 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + I don't think lurkers will be an issue in this game. I'm really confused by your opener though...you want to discuss policy and then you state right after that you don't want to discuss it? Like...discussion of policy on its own isn't scummy imo but why did you go about it so awkwardly? I do agree with the non-aggression thing, but no offense---I'd imagine you'd have to be one of the primary people to agree with that (and it seems as though you have?) Now onto more important details: why specifically Hapa? Do you two have a history? Is he going to want to make a case on you at all, never mind find something specific in this post of yours in order to make one? Which fails to do nothing but ask more questions of which he never followed through on (neither of them really followed through on to be honest), when he could do have done something like actively push Promethelax to say something of substance. People seem to have a great deal of trouble when I post things like this---it gets me in trouble a lot (marv can probably attest to this, and as well can probably attest to many thing I may bring up). WHy do I keep doing it then? Becuase I spit out what I'm thinking. I am open and honest with my posting, and I get my thoughts across. Not all of them are useful or relevant, but it shows a certain townie attitude, and is one of the reasons I never get lynched. There is nothing at all forced about it, in fact it's the opposite. I always comment about what I roll at the beginning of the game, and you should know that if you read into my meta as you said. As for the second quote, you're right I never did follow through, but I did mention here that I simply wanted to get some conversation started and satisfy some of my own curiosity. No ulterior motives here. On January 21 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote: I get a feel for reads through conversation. My questions to Hapa/Prome are to try and get a feel for them while creating conversation at the same time. When I'm curious about something or something strikes me odd, I mention it. I'm not sure why that isn't obvious to you. And yet even though I answered why I asked those 'odd' questions ages ago, people constantly bring it up. To me this post appeared lazy as hell. It looked as though you picked me out of a group of vets, said to yourself' Here's an opportunity to mislynch an easy target or force some pressure for weak reasons. I'm not a big fan of either. I hate being baited and unless you're bad at this game (which I do not believe from all of the praises people have spoken of you), that's all your early posting amounted to me. I imagine you expected me to respond in some way or overreact and I had no desire to do either, when all you can bring up as a mafia case to me is that you don't like my entry post. There is absolutely nothing inherently scummy about my posting in the slightest, and this post certainly did not prove it. On January 22 2014 09:22 Foolishness wrote: Yes I did that yesterday when I first accused him. However I did not find anything really damning on that front. He's only had one game as mafia here and there weren't any glaring similarities to that. For example, when WoS was mafia he swore a ton (just skim through his posts and you will see that) but when he's town that kind of attitude is absent. Also feels like he might be slightly more trolly when he's mafia. I'm still suspicious of him and want to clear the air on him now and not later because as I said in my previous posts he made a lot of generic statements and had opportunities to answer questions and instead only gave more questions to the thread. And a part of me does feel that his interaction with Promethelax says that at most one of them is mafia. I may be reading into that too much. Now this I liked a little better and so instead of attempting to tear into you I'm writing this post a little more neutrally. Not finding anything damning is meh, because people find terrible reasons to look and compare to my meta every game, but there's an inherent problem with looking at my meta that you really should realize, Foolishness. I have played ONE scumgame. One game does not a sample size make, ESPECIALLY one game played what, 7 months ago? Do you honestly feel it would be accurate to make a comparison of my meta in any way to a sole scumgame when I have changed things about my TOWN play multiple times since then? The last person I can think of who tried to make bad meta arguments against me was Palmar in Thug Life I believe. Oh and by the way, if you think I don't swear as town, you should check out Thug Life for another reason. Bad meta thoughts here are real bad. Now, if you'd like to have a conversation or ask me anything in particular to 'clear the air' as you said, or learn something that's not blatantly false about me, then by all means. I'll be here the rest of the evening doin' some much needed filter diving. Something struck me about Holy in particular and I'm not sure I liked it. More posts inc. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I can't recall ever seeing gonzaw as scum either. Coincidence?!?!?!?!?!!?!??! | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
You are content in doing nothing until he comes back? That doesn't seem too townie VE. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 22 2014 09:59 gonzaw wrote: You posted quite a few times, and you are here right now and when you posted earlier. You are content in doing nothing until he comes back? That doesn't seem too townie VE. Lucky for me, I don't give a crap what it seems like to you! <3 | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 22 2014 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, I've never seen gonzaw suspicious of me like this. I can't recall ever seeing gonzaw as scum either. Coincidence?!?!?!?!?!!?!??! Can we cut the trolling? Do you have any new thoughts/reads since you last left us? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Why is everything you say a bastardisation of what is actually written? A player had a mindset that i attributed as a scummy mindset. He revealed his thought process and that was that. Why have you overblown it into something it quite clearly is not?? I hadn't even made my "big" post, and you had already started defending Foo and trying to put attention on sandro. You even go to great lengths to basically try and guess what's on my mind by saying stuff like "Your goal is clearly to lynch a lurker today" when I had said nothing at all basically. You literally answer my own thought pprocess directly after this quote by saying i assumed it was a lurker lynch (you never corrected me AT ALL) so it not illogical for me to then ask why you were focusing on 1 lurker and not the other? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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marvellosity
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 22 2014 10:00 Hapahauli wrote: Can we cut the trolling? Do you have any new thoughts/reads since you last left us? I'm not trolling - that was a genuine thought I just had. Town gonzaw is well familiar with my play, and I honestly can't remember a game he was scum in. But in the games I've played with him before he's been able to correctly deduce my alignment (generally town, but he's caught me as scum AND SK before) pretty much every time that I recall. So this game is an anomaly because he's NOT correct about my alignment this game. You think maybe you can stop being hyper critical of like everything I do please? <3 | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 22 2014 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't recall ever seeing gonzaw as scum either. You mean except those 3 times we played together and I was scum and you town? Well VE, we have 3 scum among us in a pretty insane ratio (almost 40% of players are scum), and we are struggling to find even a single one to lynch right now. Do you want to give us reasons for making that guy you? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 22 2014 10:01 marvellosity wrote: I can recall you in at least one VE - Bureaucracy. Lucky you have me as your memory bank right? :p Yes thank goodness - did I catch him? I did didn't I? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On January 22 2014 10:02 Hapahauli wrote: Holy, can we start talking about your scumreads? I literally have no idea where you stand on me or anyone else. I would love to do this but it's 1am so i will elaborate on EVERYTHING when i wake up (even if it means knocking out my gf so i can use her pc) | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On January 22 2014 06:02 Holyflare wrote: @Hapa, the part of VE is irrespective of whether you are voting him or not. I am not you and I do not know how you play. The fact that you had to explain how your process of scum hunting works to me should be justification of that. All I can see is a person who was making points that were contradictary and sticking to things whenever he found them, thus, I ask questions to determine mindsets and thought processes so I can get a better read on someone further into the game. Thank you for responding. If you are town, you are obviously town to yourself. When another player that you do not know the alignment of says you are town, when there was plenty of information that made you look not town, (the stuff that I was bringing up) then alarm bells should ring. I do not know if it's a difference in styles or because I'm just super paranoid in general but these are the things I look out for. This post in specific by Holy I feel is important. The nitpicking he has been doing in regards to gonzaw and Hapa feels townie to me, and I do agree with his final thoughts except that final sentence rubs me the wrong way. The game of mafia is by nature a game of paranoia and I don't really feel that his line of questioning needed justification in that way---the 'things he looks out for' seem perfectly natural things for a townie to look out for (and hence why I was liking a lot of his posting), but then why make excuses for yourself at the end with that final sentence? Where is the holy wrath, righteousness and vindication ina townie knowing you're doing the right thing? Holy, your filter has completely been devoid of me, and I believe I get my best reads from conversing with people directly, so maybe now that we're both here we can talk just a little? Since you were curious over some people's obsession with Foolishness before he started to contribute, I might guess that now that he's actually done something you might actually have something to comment on the matter? What do you make of the fact that he has apparently chosen you as one of his primary targets for the day? (He still has his vote on me i believe but I imagine that will be moved one way or another.) | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote: The thing with VE is that yes, on his own some of his posts are suspicious. This one in particular made me raise an eyebrow: + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2014 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Morning guys. Marv no, I don't think it's the same kind of Prome that I'm used to seeing. What it reminds me of is that game I was the mayor and lynched the piss out of Prome D1. He was a lurky little shit that game, but I caught him on something very similar to what I noticed this game. Like I think it's awful that I have to ask this, but did you read my post on him? That being said, I at least dig one of his targets. I asked Foolish about his thoughts on this same matter and what I got is "lol you and Hapa townies" which is definitely NOT what I was after. He answered my question as if he'd read the exchange between us, but left me with a feeling that he hadn't actually read anything at all. If I see one more person say they're going to ignore my posts, I won't be responsible for the outcome. You have been warned. where the first two paragraphs seem really out of place and forced, though the last two sentences of the post read very town. However I think if you just read through his filter and analyze it as a whole there's nothing to be afraid of. Is he pushing any sort of mafia agenda? No. Does it feel like he doesn't have the town's best interest in mind? No. Does it feel like he's actually trying to figure things out? Yes. This is where he explains his super townread of me right? But look at the bolded bit. He's criticizing me asking marv about my Prom post and the part where I share my observation about our interaction, but says that the TOWNIE bit is the last two sentences, the "fluffy" angry nonsense at the end. Like, I'm trying to wrap my head around this. He thinks I'm town, presumably he knows that I share at least Promethelax as a scumread, but he tries to lightly discredit me while calling me townie? And after the entire post, I STILL don't know if he actually READ my post on Promethelax. Something doesn't add up. I'm missing something, somewhere. | ||
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