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Hmmm....
Well.......maybe we should keep the lynch on VE.
Toad, I don't get it:
On January 26 2014 07:39 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:32 gonzaw wrote:
Toad, what do you think of Foo's last posts?
Me and kita are kind of on the fence with this lynch, and have enough votes to swing the lynch to either VE or Foolishness. You think VE is town then? Will you try to convince us to lynch Foo, or will you do nothing until deadline waiting for your townread to get lynched? I don't have a townread on VE, if I had one I'd be kicking and screaming. I didn't come to a conclusion on him because the same happened to me like 4 days ago and I happened to be town in that game which is giving me shivers. I'm kind of busy right now and only f5'in inbetween. I've told you guys to get on Foo, I told you multiple times so far and it's been ignored. I don't have the time to make a case right now. I DO think Foolishness is the way better lynch though and I DO think that reading VE tomorrow will be easier than today. That should already be enough if you seem to have the same problems I have with the recent stuff he has posted. Again, there's cookies over here so please come over
VE basically gave up a long time ago, and I doubt he'll "pick up" and start putting effort.
Why would you think reading VE will get any easier? What if he keeps doing nothing and saying he's apathetic and doing the stuff he did this D2? Will you say "Let's keep him around till D4, SURELY it'll be easier to read him by then"?
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Hmm, okay. It's 8 minutes before lynch.
I assume all scum have already placed their votes where they want them to. So...what do these votes tell us? What do they tell us about VE and Foo and others?
I'll try to see if I can figure it out before deadline reaches.
kita, you here for a possible switch or something? You believe we should keep the lynch on VE now, or do some shenannies?
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Foo, will you vote WoS, even when it's "clear" (barring shenannies that WILL NOT happen) that he's not getting lynched?
You don't want to vote VE, or you think the vote on him is pointless at this point, or do you prefer voting someone else and convincing us of that or something?
Right now you are wasting your lynch vote
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He had all D2 to "pull himself together". Remember how nobody pressured him or anything on D2? He basically said he's not mad or anything, just apathetic.
That's basically proof he won't "pull himself together".
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On January 26 2014 07:58 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Didn't you want to lynch Holy before sandroba? Has Toad's play changed your mind on him or is it just that WoS's and VE's play is just much worse since then? Yes I did. I thought Holy was mafia based on his posts and his replacement posts. After the lynch I went back and reread them and thought "okay I can see him as town saying these things even if they are suspect". As I said earlier I go back and forth on his posts..
Why didn't you make any post about this?
You didn't care to tell us why you changed your mind on your lead scum suspect? (Remember, your other "lead" scum suspect Prome was town to you after your analysis)
Anyways, VE lynched I guess
....welp
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Foo, Toad, anything to say?
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Foo, right now these are your "scum suspects": Toad/kita/WOS.
Choose the scum between them based on this lynch. Now
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On January 26 2014 08:09 Toadesstern wrote:
not really.... I'm trying really hard to not be a dick here, believe me I'm trying
Why?
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On January 26 2014 08:09 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 08:00 gonzaw wrote:On January 26 2014 07:58 Foolishness wrote:On January 26 2014 07:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Didn't you want to lynch Holy before sandroba? Has Toad's play changed your mind on him or is it just that WoS's and VE's play is just much worse since then? Yes I did. I thought Holy was mafia based on his posts and his replacement posts. After the lynch I went back and reread them and thought "okay I can see him as town saying these things even if they are suspect". As I said earlier I go back and forth on his posts.. Why didn't you make any post about this? You didn't care to tell us why you changed your mind on your lead scum suspect? (Remember, your other "lead" scum suspect Prome was town to you after your analysis) Anyways, VE lynched I guess ....welp Because I was focused on the day 1 vote switched. There was a lot of good information in that, including the timing of the votes on how sandroba voted for Promethelax. That was higher priority since I knew that it could possibly nearly-confirm 5 people as town. Would you rather try to confirm 5 people as town or 1 person as mafia? I went through the votes and all the timing to make sure that that analysis is sound because it sets the town in motion for an accurate plan to win the game. Also because it was pointed out that VE and WoS were likely mafia because of the votes on me. When this was brought up with compelling arguments I focused on WoS because he was one of my initial suspects day 1. Since HolyFlare got replaced I thought that Toad could have a day to convince us of his alignment, and that seemed okay because town was focused on VE and WoS. And that was good for the town and the right thing for the town to do. If the town spent the entire day debating about HolyFlare and newcomer Toad it would not have been as productive. And that's still true even after VE now flipped green.
I'm not convinced.
You make no mention of that. Only NOW you are explaining yourself, instead of explaining yourself when you should have (i.e when you actually had these thoughts).
If the town spent the entire day debating about HolyFlare and newcomer Toad it would not have been as productive.
On late-D2 there was plenty to discuss about Toad (who had posted a lot of stuff), and well, also Holy. You didn't either.
On January 26 2014 08:14 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 08:09 gonzaw wrote:
Foo, right now these are your "scum suspects": Toad/kita/WOS.
Choose the scum between them based on this lynch. Now WoS/Kita.
Okay, why not Toad?
Toad ended up D2 voting you. You think that makes him townie or something? Or that he has good basis for voting you?
These are the people voting for you last cycle: VE, WoS, Toad, kita
Who do you believe had the "best intentions" with their vote? Apparently Toad?
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On January 26 2014 08:16 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 08:09 gonzaw wrote:
Foo, right now these are your "scum suspects": Toad/kita/WOS.
Choose the scum between them based on this lynch. Now can I answer this? Can I answer this? I got a pie-chart: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7sroMdW.png) I gave in to being a dick... Actually this is really good information. + Show Spoiler +If you thought it was a dick thing to do you could have just typed that all out?
It is good information that you are scum in that chart?
So...you confess being scum? Since apparently it's "good information"
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kita, what do you make of this flip?
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Foolishness, what do make it of you being the lead lynch candidate in 2 consecutive cycles (but somehow miraculously escaping the lynch both times)?
Does that give you any info about it? Are both pushes lead by scum or misled townies? Do you care about being such a hot topic? Why are you so calm at times where you almost get lynched? If you get lynched, from your POV town lynches a townie. Wouldn't you make your best damned effort in trying to get town to lynch scum? If they lynch you, town loses in the long run by default (you are town).
Last cycle, you got quite a bit of votes (4, you were leading at one point), and your runner up was VE. Yet you didn't really seem to care that much? Your lynch would be town (from your POV), and the VE lynch would be kind of random (specially since you said you didn't really know and you thought maybe the scum would be between WoS and Toad, etc).
Are you apathetic to the fact that town should lynch scum?
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Anyways, apparently that "super bad case" from WoS about VE being town was right......
...congratz Wave?
@Foo: You think scum Wave was buddying up to VE there then? Your read of him changes nothing based on that fact? He defended VE ever since D1 (way WAY back), and he kept consistent with it.
At points even he felt almost compelled to vote VE based on VE doing some shit, yet didn't.
Also, please explain, in really attentive detail, what makes you go from having Holy as sure scum on D1, to having Toad as "very very likely town" right now. I mean, from your POV you have 3 people to be scum, and you leave Toad out of it.
From what you've been posting I don't see anything to make me think you really think he's super duper town. So what is it? Care to point out some quotes, or something?
@Toad: What do you think of Foo apparently buddying up to you now? I mean, he called you the most likely scum after VE, yet now he backed out of that apparently and thinks kita is scum with Wave.
You "know" he's scum, so do you think he'd continuously buddy up to you to bus his teammate kita? He could have easily said "WoS/Toad" up there. That would be consistent with what he said last night, and from your POV it would be on 2 townies. That'd be good for a kita+Foo scumteam right?
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Anyways, I kind of feel good about kita, regarding the deadline activities.
He was here all throughout before deadline, poking Foo, even trying to figure out with me if we should lynch either VE or Foo. I.e he was engaged trying to figure out the lynch.
Toad, if you think kita is scum, do you see him doing this? Specially if he attacks his scumbuddy Foo and the like?
If you think Wave is scum, do you think he'd defend VE SO MUCH all over D1 and D2, yet bus his buddy Foolishness all D1 and all D2?
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On January 26 2014 08:56 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 08:24 gonzaw wrote:On January 26 2014 08:09 Foolishness wrote:On January 26 2014 08:00 gonzaw wrote:On January 26 2014 07:58 Foolishness wrote:On January 26 2014 07:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Didn't you want to lynch Holy before sandroba? Has Toad's play changed your mind on him or is it just that WoS's and VE's play is just much worse since then? Yes I did. I thought Holy was mafia based on his posts and his replacement posts. After the lynch I went back and reread them and thought "okay I can see him as town saying these things even if they are suspect". As I said earlier I go back and forth on his posts.. Why didn't you make any post about this? You didn't care to tell us why you changed your mind on your lead scum suspect? (Remember, your other "lead" scum suspect Prome was town to you after your analysis) Anyways, VE lynched I guess ....welp Because I was focused on the day 1 vote switched. There was a lot of good information in that, including the timing of the votes on how sandroba voted for Promethelax. That was higher priority since I knew that it could possibly nearly-confirm 5 people as town. Would you rather try to confirm 5 people as town or 1 person as mafia? I went through the votes and all the timing to make sure that that analysis is sound because it sets the town in motion for an accurate plan to win the game. Also because it was pointed out that VE and WoS were likely mafia because of the votes on me. When this was brought up with compelling arguments I focused on WoS because he was one of my initial suspects day 1. Since HolyFlare got replaced I thought that Toad could have a day to convince us of his alignment, and that seemed okay because town was focused on VE and WoS. And that was good for the town and the right thing for the town to do. If the town spent the entire day debating about HolyFlare and newcomer Toad it would not have been as productive. And that's still true even after VE now flipped green. I'm not convinced. You make no mention of that. Only NOW you are explaining yourself, instead of explaining yourself when you should have (i.e when you actually had these thoughts). How did I not make myself clear? I explained my thoughts about the votes here, and here, and here. In that last post I explained why I was onto WoS again. In subsequent posts I explained why I was going in that direction and I clearly wasn't hiding any information. I didn't make mention of my read on HolyFlare? That's right I didn't, because why is it necessary when I'm bringing other information to the town? Crucial and new information about the votes and the timing of the votes.
I'd say information about your top scum read is "crucial" Foo, yes.
You don't just ignore (in the thread) your "top" scumread, and only explain yourself 72 hours after that.
Also your "crucial" information was useful on N1 for a little while. You had all N1 and all D2 to at least mention Holy/Toad or something. There is absolutely NO excuse for you not to do that.
On January 26 2014 08:56 Foolishness wrote:
Question for you now: this isn't the first time I've explained something and you said you were "not convinced". Furthermore, when I bring up facts and thoughts about the game thus far you seem to ask questions about other related things instead of bringing up my points directly and either refuting them or disagreeing with them. This tells me that you are actually in agreement with a lot of things that I'm saying and are just trying to look for things about me that may or may not be there. Are you so concerned about the slim chance of me being mafia that you are willing to sacrifice the good of the town just to make sure?
What?
You never mention what happened to the read of your top scum suspect in 72 hours.
Now you are rationalizing it and giving some excuses and whatever. Yes, they could be true, perhaps, but I'm not convinced.
That's what it means, nothing more, nothing less.
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Of course, when I mention "top scumread" is what you've been posting in the thread. I.e, the last time you talked about that guy, he was your top scum read. If you don't mention him, don't interact with his replacement, etc, there is no reason for us to believe your read on him changed or not.
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1)Show me which times I was "not convinced" about direct stuff that I apparently agreed on
2)Just because you make sense on somethings it doesn't mean you are town (for instance the "vote analysis").
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