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We won Hurray! Now I sleep + Show Spoiler + | ||
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He's obvious scum. Let's lynch him once I wake up....maybe | ||
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Im at work. Skimmed and theres too much blablabla ill ignore. Ill gladly focus on foo and maybe marvy when i get home. But right now, marv is right, unless anything more interestong happens foolishness should be D1 lynch. WHY CANT YOU BE TOWM FOO I REALLY WANT YOU TO!! Im scared of kita since he seems to have that umreadable type of attitude when playing and pressuring. Doesnt help he gets into fluffy discussions and shit. | ||
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I,think i rememer you throwing buddies under the bus pretty early and with conviction when you were acum, so if foo is scum i dont really have a proble with you being too | ||
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Well holy maybe you could chill down and wait till i get home and finally be able to read the thread. This little chat im having now is mostly to show my process of thougth while i read the thread and have little info and whilr i gain more info. Its a good way to establish one's towniness | ||
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Preface: I haven't reread the thread yet, but I'll post anyways. Why? Because it's another step in making me confirmed town, which is always nice. I'll continue my thoughts on Foolishness, then go get something to eat, come back, reread the thread, and post about that shit Holy's been buggering me about. Let's just start with some filters: Personality Mafia 2 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204&user=Foolishness TL Mafia LVIII - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=Foolishness Parallel World Mafia - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387591&user=Foolishness - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387370&user=Foolishness Bureaucracy Mafia - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=Foolishness Liar Game Mafia - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034&user=Foolishness His filters are usually short, so you can easily skim all or most of those. One thing I notice about scum and town Foo, is the tone of his posts, or "seriousness" in which he posts. When Foo' is scum, you have a feeling that it's NOT him posting, but maybe BH or something. Both town and scum Foo sometimes make big posts, some times make one-liners, etc, so that's not really alignment-indicative, but his attitude, and, of course, overall attempts to find scum and move town forward are what separates them. Let's put some examples. Personality Mafia 2 On March 12 2013 09:44 Foolishness wrote: Actually, yamato makes a lot of sense. He's more trolly and abrasive when he's mafia. When I say that, I mean he's direct about his insults: "you're an asshat", etc. Refer to Fruity Mini Mafia to see this in action (when he's mafia). In Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia, he was town, and while his posting rate was the same, he wasn't as abrasive and didn't swear as much. More importantly, in that game he was actually helpful and contributing. You notice the helpful tone in Foo's posts. He answers directly, and pursues a town agenda. In contrast TL Mafia LVIII On January 04 2013 06:41 Foolishness wrote: Best post ever. It's so good I'm just not going to read the next 20 pages. On January 04 2013 06:49 Foolishness wrote: ##Vote: Toadesstern AWWWW YEEAAAAAHHHH Bureaucracy Mafia On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote: Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style: Ignore List: Mattchew Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts? Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him. And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1. ##Vote: syllogism Again, it doesn't seem that's Foo posting, but another more "trolly" player. He's abrasive, and makes little effort in appearing helpful. He doesn't explain himself, seemingly makes posts without thinking about them beforehand, makes baseless accusations, and basically trolls and goofs around. Pair Liar Game and Personality 2's filters on one hand, and the rest, and you can easily see some differences and similarities. But yes, at some points, town foo can get a little carried away (like in Personality), and at times scum Foo "try-hards" into making fluff posts. But those don't usually happen, and even if they did, you can still get a read on him. Now, when I see posts like these: On January 21 2014 15:41 Foolishness wrote: This game just got a whole lot easier. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow On January 21 2014 15:45 Foolishness wrote: Wait. Wait. If you are going to ignore it, why did you respond to it? It's not hard to see which one of those two different attitudes it reminds you of. Doesn't explain himself, makes baseless accusations, etc. He also makes some seemingly "casual" response, like the "Wait. Wait" thing. That's not the way I see town Foo posting. It's a small thing, but it does add a sense of "this is wrong" to his post. When Foo starts posting and you get that feeling, he is likely scum. I hope this serves as a "guide" or baseline for you guys trying to get a read off Foo, and not just ignore him for 10 days (if he happens to be scum). I'll see if I vote him or not later, I mean, I haven't even read the thread yet (at least the walls of text some guys have been posting). | ||
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That only happens because town follows the sexy people, but ignore the smart ones ;_; | ||
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On January 22 2014 01:50 kitaman27 wrote: How much time did you spend looking into Foolishness's history gonzaw? Additionally, what is the point of posting a guide on how to read Foolishness? If you point out his scum qualities before he has any actual posts, do you expect him to read your guide and then get caught anyways? Do you think this was an efficient use of your town as a player who hasn't even read the thread? When I think of a player that gets off to a trolly start as town, Foolishness is one of the first people to come to mind so I disagree with your assessment based on the posts that you have cherry picked. I'm still content with my vote on him however based on activity. I spent like 10-15 minutes. Foo is not the "versatile" kind of scum that instantly adapts his play and shit. If he's scum, he'll keep acting like this, so I don't worry about him "reading the guide and instantly become super pro town to avoid suspicions!" or something. Those posts he already made are good grounds to make me think he's scum, and possibly lynch him this D1. Of course he still has to post more, which will make us have a better read on him, but I don't see nothing wrong with my "guide" for now. Also, I always try to become almost-confirmed town when I'm town. Making these posts helps me do that. Maybe the "guide" is not really good if Foo ends up town, but anything that helps me not getting misslynched on D3 or something is good by my books. | ||
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On January 22 2014 01:50 kitaman27 wrote: When I think of a player that gets off to a trolly start as town, Foolishness is one of the first people to come to mind so I disagree with your assessment based on the posts that you have cherry picked. I'm still content with my vote on him however based on activity. Ehmm, I'm not really convinced by this. Yes, I cherry picked, and knew it is kind of pointless. I could have just said "read all his filters", but I needed to at least quote 1 or 2 posts (for those that can't be arsed to read his filters). You can easily read his filters (they are short) and come to the conclusion yourself. I'm wondering though, if you think the guide is wrong or something? You don't mention. Do you realize the differences between "scum Foo trolly start" and "town Foo trolly start"? Why do you insinuate his start this game is his "town trolly start" and not scum? If you vote him based on activity that's actually more lame. Town Foo isn't super active as marv either. | ||
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Maybe I just can't see if my posts are "scummy" or not? Hmm, I would have thought I'd have enough self-awareness to pick that stuff up, but I don't seem to see it, so kita and sandro agreeing on it seems weird to me. Doesn't this contradict your earlier posts about Foolishness's absence from the thread? ...no? Meh, going to be honest here I'll read at some later time, I'm kind of tired. It's so so much easier to follow the thread along and make little responses here and there than making the mental effort of reading previous posts and convincing yourself that you have to find all scum instantly by doing so. | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:10 kitaman27 wrote: I guess it has to do with the fact that the meta analysis was applied to a player with three posts, which I wouldn't be very confident in based on the sample size. If you come to the conclusion that a town Foolishness will eventually attempt to have a helpful attitude and start to scumhunt, yet you think a vote on him until the point where he does so is lame, I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish. If you prefer a wait and see attitude, then why not save your meta post until he has something to go by and then come to a conclusion then? Spoiler for stuff that may not matter much: + Show Spoiler + Because waiting until "he has something to go by" might be wasting time (I won't hold off a vote or read to wait for a guy to do some specific thing that may never happen, specially when I'm starting to feel strongly he can be scum). Yeah that tends to happen with Foo, at least with me. I rarely need him to like start posting a bunch before starting to believe he's scum. At times one post may be enough. Well, usually. I think I just have this urge to lynch a scum Foo on D1 since like ever lol. And again, I prefer to establish myself as super town before finding scum. If a post of mine makes no sense in the "hunt scum" department, it does in the "make everybody believe there is no way you can be scum" department. I didn't vote Foo...yet, because I was waiting to read the thread. I'll most likely vote him yes, but I'm not in a hurry. So I'm catching up. First things first: Why the hell does WOS post "Welp" so many times? :/ Are you trying to act like a noob on purpose or something? Dunno if it's scummy or too scummy to be scum, just straight up interesting (not in a good way) | ||
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But then him being too passive and "nooby" strikes me as off. I'm pretty grey on others, but I haven't finished reading yet (on page 16). Kita seems to be looking better though. I like the fact that his thought process is consistent when going against sandro and myself. I mean that "Don't tell scum about what you are looking for because they will avoid it" when he voted sandro and did that stuff to me. | ||
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Seems like a pointless bit of "character" to keep up with and fabricate, when nobody would seemingly pay notice to it (other than my super detective skills!). If he was scum, I would have thought he wouldn't bother with it. At worst it could be a coincidence, but it gives some slight points in his favour, since it shows that some "hidden" parts of his shown persona are made consistent. As town this comes naturally (you hide nothing), but as scum you either have to fabricate it, or something be so good it comes naturally too (or be a coincidence). Not something big, but something (IMO) worth noticing (and worth keeping noticing in the future) | ||
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...or maybe I just know nothing. Who knows? | ||
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You always try to keep my focus off Foolishness and onto guys like sandro. Did you read my post? You know that huge one? Scum Foolishness accuses people without backing it up in a "trolling" manner. Read the filters I provided, and that link marv provided as well. Foo's alignment is independent of WOS. I am free to figure out the alignment of both as much as I want. Even if Foo is scum it doesn't exempt WOS and his "nooby" behaviour so far. Also it's kind of a strawman, finding WOS's behaviour weird has no bearing on whatever Foo did against him, it's not black or white. | ||
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Do you know the inside of Foolishness head Holy? Can you read his mind? If so please help us figure out Foo's alignment since we seemingly have trouble doing that! | ||
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