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Misinterprets early posts, defends foolishness, switches onto Sand at a time where it seems impossible that Sand will be lynched. Under the radar too much. Hasn't done anything but the one thing he said was unnecessary and unhelpful to town(being thread cop). Pushes discussion away from Fool and tries to create suspicion on Gonzaw when none existed. | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:55 austinmcc wrote: I want HolyFlare and hapahauli to chat with each other some more. Holy's filter has a hapa phase and then a Gonzaw/foolishness-y phase, but hapa hasn't been back to discuss Holy's big hapa post or anything else. I think we should put them both in a closet and listen closely at the door to see what they say. Wave's filter, apart from needing that correction made to his posts, is mostly mush. I do like his post calling giving specific reads on VE, hapa, though. He spoke with them a bit earlier in the day, and the talking --> reads for reasons looks townie to me at this point in the game. Marv opened with ahoyhoy which means he's ancient. As far as the rest of his filterInitial plan was to play similarly to the last numbered game I was in. I actually felt really good about my D1 just poking at people, trying to get reads, trying to get activity, and I think I do a decent job as activity/friendliness cop. However, that style doesn't translate to a game without a mayor, a smaller game, and a game where people are most likely all going to be active. So my plan to how I would approach D1 is unlikely to be how I actually approach it. marv, gimme some particular questions of kita's that you find wonky. I think I really like his filter, and perhaps there's fruitful discussion there This is why the thread cop thing bothers me the most. | ||
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On January 28 2014 23:27 marvellosity wrote: I never told you... but... I have to be intoxicated to really get into it let me buy you a drink baby | ||
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On January 28 2014 23:28 Promethelax wrote: This is why the thread cop thing bothers me the most. Because he said that being a thread cop wasn't appropriate and then went ahead and did it anyway you mean? Why does that = mafia? | ||
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On January 28 2014 23:30 marvellosity wrote: Because he said that being a thread cop wasn't appropriate and then went ahead and did it anyway you mean? Why does that = mafia? Because thread cop is an easy role to play as mafia. Because Austin said town doesn't need it but still does it. Because he isn't copping himself. Because complaining about thread atmosphere while doing nothing to improve it is a scum trait. | ||
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On January 28 2014 23:33 Promethelax wrote: How do you justify Holyflare scum when he KEPT bringing up how we should lynch Sand for being inactive? Sorry let me go find those votes and pushes Holy made to get sandroba lynched instead of just repeating the idea in the midst of other posts ... er ... hmm. | ||
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On January 28 2014 23:36 Promethelax wrote: Yeah but Holyflare is the weakest member of this game and, as you said on scumcast episode 3 newer/weaker players often don't know how to push lynches and look objectively scummy because they are wishy washy and bad. Holy may be a smaller fish, but he's still in this game. What were the *results* of Holyflare talking about sandroba? Where's the vote? Who's convinced? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 22 2014 03:55 austinmcc wrote: I want HolyFlare and hapahauli to chat with each other some more. Holy's filter has a hapa phase and then a Gonzaw/foolishness-y phase, but hapa hasn't been back to discuss Holy's big hapa post or anything else. I think we should put them both in a closet and listen closely at the door to see what they say. Wave's filter, apart from needing that correction made to his posts, is mostly mush. I do like his post calling giving specific reads on VE, hapa, though. He spoke with them a bit earlier in the day, and the talking --> reads for reasons looks townie to me at this point in the game. Marv opened with ahoyhoy which means he's ancient. As far as the rest of his filterInitial plan was to play similarly to the last numbered game I was in. I actually felt really good about my D1 just poking at people, trying to get reads, trying to get activity, and I think I do a decent job as activity/friendliness cop. However, that style doesn't translate to a game without a mayor, a smaller game, and a game where people are most likely all going to be active. So my plan to how I would approach D1 is unlikely to be how I actually approach it. marv, gimme some particular questions of kita's that you find wonky. I think I really like his filter, and perhaps there's fruitful discussion there This sticks out. Sore thumb like. Austin knew the level of players this game before starting and yet his day one plan changed as soon as the game started. I see this as being a scum player trying to change his day1 town play for something else and excusing it in the thread unnecessarily. I don't see a benefit to this as town. And as scum I don't see a good reason but scum need to force themselves to post and they can post random shit for the sake of posting. + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2014 05:00 austinmcc wrote: Okeedoke. Maybe we're working in two directions here. I'm mostly poking at the VE/Prome interaction, not a WoS/Prome interaction. VE asks Prome why Prome kinda on VE's case about saying you're not gonna respond to pressure, bla bla, whatever, but is NOT on WoS's case when WoS says you're not gonna respond to pressure, bla bla, whatever. Prome saysIf you don't think WoS cares about you, and I pretty much agree that he's not racking his brain for magical Sandroba thoughts, then you think Promethelax is manufacturing his distinction, given that WoS isn't actually curious about you or anything? Or you simply don't care about this Prome/VE interaction at all, or don't care about Prome's reasons, or any other "I am Sandroba and I don't really put much stock into this VE/Prome stuff" I'm not looking at WoS with this, or WoS/Prome, so much as I'm trying to zero in on the singular post by Prome where he says WoS asks this curious question which I cannot find. This post so gloriously misunderstands what I said that it cannot come from town. I wish the previous sentence were true. This post does gloriously misunderstand my posts in the early game but I'm not sure if anyone understood them. Austin attacks me on the idea that I said WoS had an authentically curious question for Sand. In fact the curious question I saw in WoS' post was directed at Hapa "do you see yourself as the n1 hit" or something like that. Did anyone else actually understand which question I was reffering to? If not than this cannot be scummy from Austin but if it made sense for other people than it is damn bad for him to have missed what I think was clear. + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2014 06:54 austinmcc wrote: Can't speak for holy, but with me, it's that given the full menu of anything anyone could be doing, discussion of Foolishness's alignment doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I don't personally feel confident about reading THOSE 3-4 posts as alignment indicative, and don't feel comfortable with reading Foolishness right now. I don't understand anyone else feeling like the BEST read they can get on some scummy dudes is Foolishness. Mainly though, it seems like...good material for scum to post on. Weigh in that he's town, scum, a crocodile, whatever. You can say whatever you want about Foolishness, discuss his alignment until you're blue in the face, but really it comes down to "I think this thing about these 3-4 trolly/nothingposts." Given that, I think it's a more productive topic for scum (they get to post, give reads, but I don't anticipate anyone being lynched later on based primarily/heavily on whatever stance they took on Foolishness right at this second), than it is for town. That's why I don't think discussion should be centered on Foolishness, or heavily concerned with him. I care somewhat about him and his posting, but mainly it feels like a topic that allows mafia to freely post and keep discussion on Foolishness. This is just a side note but if Fool is scum this post is scum as shit. It is very directly trying to remove discussion from Fool. I can hear the chainsaw revving in the background. + Show Spoiler + Austin fluffs hard for a while d1 when Fool and Sand are being brought up a lot. He spends most of day one talking about how I am scum and about random fluff like marv's love of tentacles. One of those things is productive, the other is a lot of effort put into looking casual. + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2014 08:27 austinmcc wrote: Dunno right now. Usually pretty late to make up my mind and not a big vote swapper. Also: austin doesn't seem to know how he plays. Maybe he was confusing his town game with his scum game. On January 22 2014 08:41 austinmcc wrote: Anything in particular that sandro posted within the last little bit to have you move him up this way? A lot of your other reads are spelled out, sandro and I are lumped together. This seems to point against a fool/sand/austin team. I don't see fool (a not bad player) lumping his two scum budddies together in this way. This is simply not how a scum refers to all of their team during d1 when two scum players are under suspicion. huuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Cancel the above Austin/fool are not scum together. Now I need to debate with myself/anyone else which of the two are scum. | ||
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On January 28 2014 23:39 marvellosity wrote: Holy may be a smaller fish, but he's still in this game. What were the *results* of Holyflare talking about sandroba? Where's the vote? Who's convinced? Well we lynched Sandroba, and at least partially that is because he was in the back of all of our heads as "that lurky guy doing nothing" one reason he was there was HF pushing him. Sand was essentially under the radar before HF went after him. HF didn't cause anything by himself but keeping his lurking scumbuddy in the forefront of the minds of town is just not what a half way decent scum player does. HF has a stronger scum game than town game as far as I know. And this looks like a weak game from either alignment and, therefore, more likely to be town. | ||
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On January 28 2014 23:42 marvellosity wrote: Lol. O.o Are you actually cancelling your whole case on that small bit of wifom? I can't see it. I cannot believe a scum foolish throws both his scumbuddies into his post randomly as "looking okay as long as they stay active" with no townies with them on that list. Fool is not an idiot. That is idiotic scum play. | ||
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