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If the 4th suggested team is rejected, the 5th team suggested team will automatically be vetted and we will immediately move into night phase. Isn't it supposed to be: "In case the proposed team gets rejected 5 times in a row spies automatically win the mission"? | ||
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On December 24 2013 11:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Because that would be too heavily spy favored imo on this medium. Forum is a little different from the standard face to face game. Ray was saying he plays it regularly IRL I'd like his opinion on the fifth day I guess. Mission members: 3,4,4,5,5 Sabotages needed: 1,1,1,2,1 Also as someone said the idea is to raise the bar in every mission barring 2->3. Usually the game is REALLY close even if one team ends up winning 3-0. You can't put 2 sabotages to the last mission because in case town wins missions 1 and 2, spies win 3 and 4 - town then knows 2 spies amongst the 5, they pick the rest 4 and strongest town read and easy win. It has to be the setup i just said (for 9players). Anything else is unfair to one of the sides. | ||
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Hmm..i disagree with rayn about voting usually being anonymous. I guess my friends play with weird rules. I'm used to IRL voting where a choice is selected with a hidden tile and then revealed all at once, then votes are tallied and you know who voted for what and have that as information to analyze. Yes this is exactly what i mean. Now the voting is different, like you would lay your choice on the table face up but you are allowed to change that. Usually the voting is done via PM's and then revealed when the phase is finished. | ||
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Anyways Hopeless, you seem to have played Resistance. Why would you not have an opinion of if the leader should not pick themselves in any situation? I find it hard to believe tbh. | ||
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Anyone who refuses to cooperate in mission selection as a leader and pushes through a selection that is doomed to get a fuckton of nay votes should not go a mission. That's what i think. On December 27 2013 12:08 Chairman Ray wrote: There are definitely situations where the leader would not put himself in. It would probably be best to analyse this case by case when these kinds of situations arise, because I always find that people suggesting sub-optimal teams, getting rejected, and letting the next good team pass gives more information than people doing the right play in the first place. We get information for why they chose the team, who approved the team, and who rejected it. Anyways, other than Koshi who wants to be in, are there any other suggestions on who should be sent on the first mission? Since it's the first one, I'm alright with any team that goes in. I think you are scum because of this. In 5 pl setup this works because it's actually better to pass the first mission as scum, in 9 pl setup this is different and not necessarily true. Seems to me like an attempt to stop the conversation before it even started. CR - Does Koshi seem town to you? Why? | ||
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Even if you have a weak townread on someone who is being put on the mission that does not mean you should automatically pass that without discussion, you need to suggest your strongest townreads. After D1 that somewhat changes but the first mission.. There is no reason to not nominate yourself if you are town, absolutely none. | ||
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After D1 that somewhat changes. | ||
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On December 27 2013 14:48 Corazon wrote: Ok, I can compromise with you there. Of course I'm not picking first so I don't know what you mean by "I hope you stop thinking like this if you are town". No need to attack me for hypotheticals I don't know if you have played Resistance before. What i do know is you are (were?) working on wrong mindset. I don't care if you continue that if you're scum, i do care if you continue doing that if you are town because it makes you scummy to me. Make your own decisions and have your own opinions, disagree if you disagree. But if you do so i want you to reason yourself. | ||
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On December 27 2013 14:44 Chairman Ray wrote: Why does not asserting for myself or a specific person to go on the first mission mean I'm scum? Is the logic that since scum will want to fail the first mission, then if I am town, I need to get into the mission to reduce the chances that there will be scum in there? You are supposed to suggest an all town team, for every mission. You don't seem to be giving any shits who goes onto a mission 1 and who doesn't. It's not only results and voting that wins the game, it's the discussion behind picks and people's responses on top of that. What you said was basically "just pick some people who want to go on a mission and let's get over with it". That's scummy. | ||
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You send the most townie people on Day 1. But because I doubt that anybody can prove himself 100% town I suggest that the most active people/most respected people go on the first mission. Reasons have been stated. And here you are clearly contradicting yourself. Koshi what the hell? Get your shit together if you are town. Most towniest people go, doesn't matter who they are. | ||
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Yoi say you want to send the most towniest people but you have already decided some people in the game can't possibly prove their towniness nor are you trying to figure out their alignment. | ||
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What can you tell us if there is 1 sabotage? | ||
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On December 27 2013 15:22 Chairman Ray wrote: I don't agree with that, but we can revisit this subject on day 2 if you want. Anyway, we need to get some picks on the table. If Adam doesn't have any solid picks right now, we can throw some names on the table to discuss, and if Adam agrees, then he can put them up for a vote. On December 27 2013 15:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Exactly what do you not agree with? Please answer this. I just want to know what you disagree with, not why. | ||
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I would swap Adam with you, that would be my top team atm. I think VE is town too, but it's not a strong read. Adam is null for me. Koshi does not look too fancy, Grack & Sentinel are quite meh, haven't seen any strong opinions from them, and i think CR is scum for what i said. | ||
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There are some people who have not played resistance and in case there are spies amongst them they are more likely to slip. No need to tell people how to play if they are spies. | ||
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Who would you pick as the fourth member right now if you were to send in a 4 man team? | ||
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I've consulted with a few people and I'm going to make everyone vote, regardless of their status of mission leader. As I have changed this rule on the fly, it will not take effect until after Day 1 ends. However, in the interest of documentation, I would like to request Adam to formally vote on the team thread. You have already "voted yes" so why the sudden hesitation? | ||
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On December 29 2013 09:39 Adam4167 wrote: Sentinel, if you could change your vote, would you switch it? Rayn, same question to you No i wouldn't. I don't trust you, especially after your comment on the top of the current page. | ||
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On December 29 2013 09:08 Grackaroni wrote: well, Rayn is on the team. so that vote isn't indicative of scum wanting to down vote an all town team. I'd guess VE is probably more interested in making his own team. Basically this. This is a good post. Me nay-voting is definitely not a "+" for saying "i think this is an all-town team". | ||
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On December 28 2013 12:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Hopeless is talking with more sense and clarity that I can conjure up, and his posts do seem a lot more complete than what I saw in my quick browse of his LXIII filter. I like Adam calling out Koshi as well instead of just hopping on board with everyone else (including me). In some way this makes me think he carefully thought out his team. I trust him and I trust his view on Hopeless. Rayn's been stepping up as our chief discussion leader so I trust him too. I'm okay with this mission. Voting yay I like what Sentinel says about Hopeless, and i like what he says about Adam calling out Koshi. The problem is earlier on Koshi was a strong candidate for Sentinel's pick if was to pick a team. Why did you change your mind on Koshi? Another problem with the post is what Sentinel did - he yay-voted amongst the first people for Adam's team. Now he is "holding judgement" on VE's team, when in fact it should be easier to vote in a way or another, as he is one of the teammembers, he has to judge only 2 people, not 3. Explain that Sentinel. Also again, here he says Koshi and VE are shaky, why? VisceraEyes - VE seems to be thinking i am town but at some point i am not any more of his top picks, and somehow me + Hopeless are swapped with Sentinel + Cora. Why? I also get the feeling VE is laid back and playing more with a reactionary playstyle rather than being pro-active. Is there any reason for that VE? You yourself said this game is more about town hunting than scum hunting, which is true, i don't get the feeling you are trying to find out if people are town or not, and it bothers me. On the other hand his posts are clear and the point comes across easily for me, nothing too suspicious about VE besides his lack of pro-activiness and him picking the team almost immediately when he had 24h. Adam4167 - I really do not like the fact Adam down-voted his own team, which in his opinion should be all town as he picked it. I would like him to fully explain the thoguht process behind doing so. To me it makes no sense he first says "ofc ima vote yay", then argues that the team is all town when it meets resistance and proceeds on down-voting it. Corazon - He looks fairly town to me. I do not think he has played Resistance before and still he was fearless giving his opinions on how people should act in certain situations. While i think his opinions were wrong i think it strongly points towards him being town. He is also being pro-active in sharing his reads and asking people's opinions on things. I still would love to hear more on his reasoning behind his reads. Chairman Ray - I really really did not like him discussing spy strategies. Like he told "there is something need to talk about after missions", then when people asked him why, it seemed to me he went defensive and gave people what they wanted. While the information he gave out was correct, it was something that should not be given out imo. Spies can't communicate outside the thread and if CR is a spy he just told his scummates how to play. That's fishy. He's been more talking about strategy than actual reads, does anyone know who CR thinks is town/scum? Because i don't. I also did not like his "it doesn't matter who we send on the first mission so let's just get over with it". That's entirely incorrect. Grackaroni - Grack has had some good points on things, mainly on the nay-votes on Adam's team proposal. I can't really tell his alignment in a way or another as he has only commented on things i find to be quite small and i can't figure out what agenda he is trying to push. Need to hear more from him. Koshi - I don't like Koshi's heuristics. At all. To me it seems like he wants to sit behind some principles like "let's send the most active players" to not having to contribute on people's alignments with real arguments. That's definitely a wrong way to play this game. Especially D1 in Resistance is not much different from Mafia, besides that town-hunting is more beneficial than scumhunting. Not doing either of them is really bad. I would like to hear his reasoning for his reads, not like he does it now ("if these people are town then good - we should send them to find out"), but rather like ("i think these people are town for XYZ, that's why we should send them"). Right now Koshi seems to be working backwards and that's really worrying. Hopeless1der - Hopeless seems really pro-active in comparsion to other games i have played with him. I like Hopeless' posts, he seems to be thinking alike me. Hopeless one question, why did you yay-vote Adam's team as he was null for you? That's pretty much all i have to say atm. I would like people to answer my concerns so i can tell you how we win this game after that.  I am not voting yet and i advice others to do so aswell, we have time, there is no need to rush as it costs as valuable discussion time. | ||
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On December 30 2013 06:05 Koshi wrote: Koshi has already commented on people their alignments with real arguments. Why do you suggest I am trying to play without doing that? I clearly am giving reads and probably am within the top 3 of people giving reads on everything. VisceraEyes/Corazon is my scumteam atm. Can't shake the feeling and I had it for a long time now. I said why already. + now there is a scumslip. Koshi, Not VE, Not Cora No Koshi, you havn't given any reads. Only things that could be considered as reads are in this post of yours: + Show Spoiler + On December 29 2013 07:19 Koshi wrote: Cora going after me so soon was cute, but now he is too invested in it for no reason. I was not getting elected or was elected and Cora is already making plans to not let me go on mission 2 & 3. There is no townie reason for that. He kept blackening my name with his joke "pulling a Koshi". VE was playing it cool. Staying in the back, I thought he was gathering reads and not letting the scummers feel his presence at first. VE even made the comment "even when I am not elected I can still give good reads", but after adam made his team. VE came into the picture and instantly undermined Adam without touching the team, no townie reason for that. The follow up reads VE gave was null on adam. Nothing at all on rayn and Hopeless. Town on Cora and Sentinel. Which doesnt make sense, if Adam is nullish and the biggest problem in that team. Then VE has already townreads on rayn, Hopeless, Cora and Sentinel. Pretty strong stuff. But VE is not that confident at all in his post, he should be pushing a nay vote from everybody and be captain himself, pick his reads and own this game for town. But he isn't, he is still unsure about what to do when his team gets through and he will have to pick sabotage or not. VE is scum. Pretty sure about him. CR is town for spilling all the information. I am a guy that hasnt played resistance yet and I feel CR his information is helping me. Unless CR is teamed with 2 noobies there is no reason for him to be noobfriendly. Sadly people are thinking I am scum so this is looking like exactly the thing CR as scum would do to help me but nope. I am not scum. CR is being neutral atm. Neutral is good. VE pretended to be neutral at start but wasnt after first team got out. Cora is pushing me (town) out of mission 1-3. Read on VE is somewhat understandable, reads on Cora and CR are not. Cora trying to figure out your alignment is a scumtell? Why? Read on CR is crap for what i have stated already. "Spilling the beans" is a scumtell in Resistance because of no out thread comm for spies. Does it make CR scum? Not necessarily, but it definitely does not make him town. All other reads you have given are some arbitary teams you suggest and then you tell what me might learn if the mission with those people will fail/succeed. That's not giving reads, that's working backwards. I can point out ~10 exmples from your filter if you want to argue about this. | ||
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However i disagree with you on Koshi, the way he is working is not correct and does not make him town. He constantly uses reasoning like "if these people are town then good", "if the mission fails then.." when discussing teams. That's not how you should play. You give reads, pick townies, and then re-evaluate if the mission fails. Picking someone / not picking someone because "if the mission fails then what?" is a wrong way to work, that's not reasoning that makes someone town/scum. | ||
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On December 30 2013 06:26 Hopeless1der wrote: I didn't actually state my read of Cora: I'd call him a spy at the moment. This felt way too easy of a +1 without any critical thought behind it. I didn't like this post. Combined with associative I think Koshi is town -> Therefore Cora scum. And then you make this terrible post.. Ugh.. | ||
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So you think me, Hopeless, Cora and Sent are town right? What abbout the rest of the people, who are scum and who would you say is the last townie? | ||
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Please other people, come in and play as well. D1 is a crucial part of this game and i really do want an all town team to go. This is dumb atm because noone is playing ffs. | ||
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If your scum team is correct, then why did both Koshi and Chairman Ray vote yay yesterday? ...is exactly the kind of behavior you should bee looking & questioning in Resistance games if you are town. That's probably one of the best posts in thread. | ||
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If he was town he should have made conclusions right after the team got nay-voted. Also if Adam is scum, and VE's reads are otherwise correct, why would Adam nay-vote his own team, there would be scum in it? | ||
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About the discussion point. I think that's the most WIFOM'y thing discussed on D1 and all the people who discussed it should be under scrutiny. Nay-voting a team especially on D1 because "you want more discussion" is an easy way for scum to hide behind if the proposed team is all town. If the team is all town and you think so, you should be yay-voting it because the point is to pass teams that are all town. If people nay-vote because they "want more discussion" that actually kills the discussion because the votes are not because of reads but something else, you can't tell the real motivation or mkae conclusions about people's reasons. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439135¤tpage=16#311 Doesn't really answer my question. He's doing what Koshi is doing, working backwards. At least based on this. | ||
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On December 31 2013 05:32 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think about Hopeless's problem with me rayn? I have a hard time remaining objective looking at it for obvious reasons. I understand his point about you proposing a team almost immediately when you had 24 hours. I think it's a legit concern, i had the exact same feeling when i saw you just proposed a team without any discussion. Is there something else you want me to answer about him? That's pretty much all i can remember him talking about you. | ||
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On December 31 2013 05:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Well for starters, I selected my team 12 hours into the day after the first 12 hours had been a black hole of inactivity. So no, I didn't almost immediately pick a team, I was just one of the first to post after the day was started. Why am I suspicious because the entire game is absent from the thread? You could have waited the other 12h before picking your team and asked people to te talk. Like say "i am thinking of picking a team with X, Y and Z. I am gonna submit the team in X hours if people do not give opinions about it so i want everyone to elaborate". Can you see it from my perspective. I am the last leader. That does not bother me so much as i don't really care if i get to pick a team or not. But if i don't i want everyone to elaborate on their POSSIBLE teampicks and other people to give their thoguhts about the teams. That's how you FORCE people to give out reads and imo it's more beneficial to get info from all the players regarding a team that's not proposed yet. After that the leader can act accordingly based on answers and we get more info on them too. Now, all we got is that you think Sentinel and Cora are town. Hell you could have even lied about your reads on me and Hopeless, who is to say you were really truthful in those reads as you did not nominate us while saying so? Do you get my point? It's about clarity and making desicions based on actual information and not the other way around - making desicions and then seeing what it brings you. This is a team game after all. | ||
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At the start of the game this would be a comparsion to a normal mafia game: Koshi: "Let's randomly assume good players like rayn and VE are town and if they lynch wrong people then lynch them" CR: "Let's random lynch someone and then see who voted what and make conclusions about it". That's not ho it works. As i said, especially D1 is like normal mafia, you are just more town hunting than scumhunting. But the main point stands, you discuss things with people and make conclusions about the discussions and THEN you make desicions in proposing teams and what to vote on proposed teams. | ||
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I also think your list of possible picks is pretty good, although i am still on the fence with Adam and Grack. I would not send either of them. I can go with you + Hopeless + me. | ||
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If you wanna send me + you + Hopeless i am okay with it. But please, do not pick the team yet if you are able to do it later, i want to hear what other people have to say about it aswell. | ||
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On January 01 2014 05:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: How would town CR be able to steer town to victory if he's viewed as a suspicious person? All of his stuff about spy strats was construed as him trying to give the team some pointers. If he's town, real scummers would have an easy time twisting his words while they control the majority of town sentiment. Scum CR, if Mission 1 fails, could adopt the same i-told-you-so reasoning as town CR. I think an experienced player would have no problem shifting the game... he was even talking about how spies would use WIFOM in their voting to scare town into picking new teams. I'll probably bump him up to null-scum until I see his D2 play in earnest though. That's the point. Did you read Koshi's post? Either way, if CR is scum at the moment he is helping the town with his attitude as he can't oppose all town team. If he is town he is helping scum by looking like non-town as he is not helping. Funny but that's how i see it. | ||
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I tried it in Titanic II and found many scum. | ||
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Either scum are intentionally letting an all-town team to go for some reason, or there is scum in the team. Not that the votes at this point matter any more, everything after the first 5 votes tell us nothing (and that's why the voting system is usually by PM's/anonymous until results).. Koshi, what's this talk about PMing the hosts? | ||
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What do you think about the votes? | ||
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I hope i am wrong and scum were just terrified or wtf ever and too sacred to vote nay, but we'll see about that. | ||
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Do you think scum just let the mission with 3 townies just pass without a single piece of resistance? | ||
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The thing that scummers could/should have done (wanted to see if rayn would figure it out because it is strange he didn't) is to suggest a team without attracting too much attention. Elaborate on this please. I have no idea what you mean by this. | ||
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On January 01 2014 05:15 Koshi wrote: Hmm. Looks like rayn/Hopeless/Koshi has already passed with 5 votes if we got Sentinel vote of approval. Who are the 5 people who will pass the mission and why at this point? | ||
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I was trying to find something that makes sense from the thread after you made the case on VE and we talked about it and other stuff. I still can't understand why the hell suddenly after that, everyone just yay-votes the team with zero discussion. Even VE, who had you as a scumread and really the only thing you talked about was your case on him. | ||
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Because Koshi voted yay on the first mission one of me/Hopeless is scum? What the fuck? | ||
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On January 03 2014 09:06 Grackaroni wrote: No what I am saying is that the first mission would have been sabotaged. There could easily be an Adam/Koshi scum team as well. Basically one of you/hopeless/koshi has to be scum, and if it's not one of you/hopeless then Koshi is scum and he reversed his read on hopeless to upvote a team. Koshi wouldn't go out of his way as scum to help an all town team pass because, as you have previously stated, that is not how this game works. Ahh okay, i get it now. Yes, i think it's a fair assumption. So what does that tell you? | ||
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Hopeless' read on Koshi and Corazon and it's evolvement: On December 30 2013 06:19 Hopeless1der wrote: Yes, and I don't remember exactly why. Something about how he's trying to convert mafia knowledge to resistance knowledge and his appealing to veterans to guide the way for us made me think he had an idea of a plan that would push town in the right direction, even if he had nothing to do with finding that right direction. There were points against koshi about how he wasnt trying to discern alignments. Cora is doing the same thing with Koshi, but worse, he's actively discrediting him. Koshi was assuming I just wouldnt post much and that sending me on a mission was a losing endeavor because even if we succeed you get little benefit from having me "confirmed" since I wouldn't do much with it. Cora is telling people to ignore Koshi because he's trolling too much and wont allow him a word in edgewise. I think koshi is more likely to be town for thinking its a scumslip though, regardless of if there really is one. @Rayn's question from list postProbably a similar reason that Koshi was willing to consider Yay'ing VE's team if he commited to a townread on you: It was worth risking a failed mission to "confirm" a spy. In my case, Adam was a statistical tossup as first leader. I looked at his suggesting-a-team post and thought it was more likely he was town than scum, but in the same breath second guessed myself into calling him null. I think I have a good read on you. If we failed our mission, I'd be convinced Adam was the spy. That information is worth the failed early mission to me. This is when VE proposes his team. Hopeless reads Koshi as town for "some reason he does not remember". He also says Corazon is playing quite similarly to Koshi but that Cora is trying to discredit Koshi. This in itself is not alignment indicative (at least on scummy side) but watch on what happens next: On December 30 2013 06:26 Hopeless1der wrote: I didn't actually state my read of Cora: I'd call him a spy at the moment. This felt way too easy of a +1 without any critical thought behind it. I didn't like this post. Combined with associative I think Koshi is town -> Therefore Cora scum. Associative read that makes no sense this way. You can make associative reads (and in Resistance you have to) but they work another way around, if someone is scum you can deduce someone else must be town (is some cases). You however can't say someone is town - therefore someone is scum, as townies accuse each other all the time. This is also a clarification on Hopeless' read on Koshi/Cora, and it gives him a reason to nay-vote VE's team. Later on Hopeless calls VE scum (that's something i don't find relevant in this case though, but worth mentioning) and again says he found Cora scummy for other reasons than association with Koshi. He never explains those reasons fully. Then there is some back and forth with Hopeless/Corazon where they call each other scum for stupid reasons. Nothing alignment indicative there imo. Team VE fails, and Koshi becomes a leader and starts discussing his team. Now here is an important post: On January 01 2014 07:00 Hopeless1der wrote: So guys...rayn/cora/hopeless Who needs convincing? This is BEFORE Koshi has chosen his team. Hopeless has already taken a stance where Cora is town and Koshi is (apparently?) not. Or both Koshi and Cora are town? I really don't know what to think. The important piece of information to be drawn is Hopeless already knows where this is going (most likely to a team him/rayn/Koshi), it's quite evident he is already playing the next phase in case the team goes through, and when a sabotage happens. Think about it. On D3 (in case Koshi's educatedly guessed team Koshi/Hopeless/rayn goes on a mission) Hopeless needs someone to be scum. That someone needs to be rayn/Koshi. I think it's obvious he is pre-emptively trying to cover all bases and his future thought process, otherwise this sudden change of mind on Koshi<->Cora read makes no sense as Cora's posting hasn't changed one bit from what it has been all game. Cora's reads have not changed, Cora's posting style has not chaged, there is no reason Hopeless should consider him any townier than before at this point. On January 01 2014 07:39 Hopeless1der wrote: Cora's brain can't seem to handle the possibility that someone considers him scum. But he's probably town. And a self-centered drama queen. And again, before the mission. Why? This is during the voting phase: On January 02 2014 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote: add cora for flawless victory grack Both Koshi and Corazon are town. I can only ask why? Hopeless has never explained this change of heart in his reads on these fellas and in the first place the read was moslty based on association. When this association no longer benefits him ti's completely dropped. After the mission fails Hopeless posts (as assumed) this: He has concluded Koshi is spy. Why? There is no explanation, just a quote of my post. Does he have a stronger town read on me? If so, why? TLDR; Why i think Hopeless is a spy:
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This just struck me: Team 2 Current Leader: VisceraEyes Current Vote Count: Koshi: Nay Hopeless1der: Nay Corazon: Yay [UoN]Sentinel: Yay Chairman Ray: Yay Adam4167: Nay VisceraEyes: Yay Grackaroni: Nay raynpelikoneet: Not voting *said he would nay* Team: VisceraEyes, [UoN]Sentinel, Corazon Can it be this easy? | ||
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On January 03 2014 18:45 Grackaroni wrote: I don't really get what you are saying in the first place. Sentinel is trying to get me off the mission and it makes sense for scum to spread their targets so he must be scum. Doesn't that make perfect sense? For one thing you assume that the majority of townies are derps and upvoted the first mission which would have been a sabotage. You also assume that I forced Adam to down vote a passing mission for the fuck of it. Having 2 scum on 1st mission has it's advantages and disadvantages. Having 1 scum however is easier to play off in case you do not know how to play it after that. I don't think up/down-voting the first (Adam's) mission has a lot to do with alignments in a sense that i don't think all scum were on the same side (as in voting yay or nay). Or what exactly are you trying to say? | ||
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On January 03 2014 19:05 Grackaroni wrote: And I would have picked Hopeless/Koshi if Koshi's mission got passed over. You mean rejected? It's irrelevant what you say you would have picked because it didn't happen. Anyone can say anything they "would do" if something that didn't happen would have happened. That's not really good reasoning. | ||
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On December 27 2013 21:48 Grackaroni wrote: Adam/Hopeless/Rayn sounds pretty good. Nothing here suggests a change in your reads. Grackaroni: Nay | ||
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On January 03 2014 19:26 Grackaroni wrote: Why was he giving a town read on hopeless in the first place if he is so strongly against putting 2 scum on the mission? Because i pressured him to tell me who would he pick now in case he had to. Jesus, are you not reading at all? Hopeless' posting was also really good during the time it was Adam's mission pick. | ||
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On January 03 2014 19:24 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think looking for filter consistency is the right way to go about scum hunting in general. If I want my filter to be consistent I can make it consistent. I liked both you/hopeless but not enough to yay vote the first mission. I was going to nay vote any mission the first few days regardless of the team because there was only like 20 pages of thread. Filter consistency is the only way to scumhunt because if your filter is not consistent then you are scum as you change your mind based on nothing - something you don't do as town. What do you suggest is how to scumhunt then? | ||
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On December 31 2013 20:49 Grackaroni wrote: Ah yes. the nay vote of Adam. A peculiar event it was. He just seemed oh so confident of his team before people started wondering why the vote was so easily passed. If that vote failed he was definitely taking the blaiM! Hehe. I'm really not sure though. Mafia is hard. If he was town though I think he made the right call. Good play by ADAM! Who you putting on your team this time Koshi/ Also Grack, this does not sound like a policy nay-vote as you earlier on said it was. You are giving different reasons for your voting behavior. | ||
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On January 03 2014 19:44 Grackaroni wrote: I won't tell you how to scumhunt. There are definitely times when you can catch scum for a weird inconsistency. From my own experience I believe that scum are more concerned with making their filter consistent and that they will always give a reason to explain their actions. I don't think down voting a team that is good for scum after saying a team is good is indicative of scum play; on the contrary, it's a pretty damn good indicator of town. You are arguing that Adam and I are scum with Hopeless and that Adam/I were both against the idea of having 2 scum on our team, yet we both came out pro-hopeless. It's not even that I disagree with your theory because I know that it's wrong. I don't think that it's a sensible belief disregarding my own alignment. I am saying i am leaning on you and Adam(Coag) being scum because your reasoning for voting behavior and reads do not match what's been happening in thread and what you have said before. I'll make a more detailed post about this for all the people to see tonight, i gotta go after a while for couple of hours so i don't have time to do it now. | ||
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On January 03 2014 21:08 Grackaroni wrote: Well why don't you tell me what is the basis of your read. You found me saying I liked you and hopeless and nay voting later on. The only reasoning I can see besides that is because you think scum would want to spread the blame, which I don't think is even true. I over bus in non-resistance games lol. If I was scum I would just attack my teammates, get myself on the mission and if people accuse me of sabotaging the mission my teammates would have a better chance of getting on the next mission. Your train of thought regarding the first mission and voting does not make sense. Your thought process does not match your actions. I am making a big post about this when i get back home but i gotta go in ~10min so i really have no time now. These are my general assumptions regarding the voting: 1) I assume there was at least one scum in Adam's team: - If one scum -> nay-voters look much better than yay-voters - If two scum -> scum most likely split their votes on yay/nay 2) VE's team: - If there is scum in VE's team nay-voters look better - If VE's team was all town all scum voted nay 3) I assume there is only 1 scum in Koshi's team: - Either way the yay-votes piled up too easily and noone looks better than anyone else besides Cora. If someone disagrees with these (1-3) please tell why. | ||
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On January 03 2014 21:14 Grackaroni wrote: Honestly I am starting to picture a Rayn/hopeless/Adam team right now just from how strange this accusation is from Rayn. If that was the scumteam that team would have 100% passed when Adam suggested it. That scenario is so interesting i would have pushed it through. lol Grack, that's like the shittiest post in thread. | ||
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Whenever you are a leader, regardless of your position in the leader queue the fact is you are supposed to submit an all town team if you are town. Adam suggest a team of himself, me and Hopeless. Therefore he must think me and Hopeless (at the time of suggestion) are town. Before Adam's own vote he says multiple times he thinks the team is all town because of resistance towards the team and because it seems like the team is going to either pass/fail by small margin. Ultimately this is why Adam downvotes his own team. My downvote and this is what he gives as reasoning: On December 29 2013 10:35 Adam4167 wrote: Well, your activity was a little lower than I was hoping. But I guess I shouldn't throw stones in a glass house. Rayns down vote was for a shit reason, but why would he downvote the team if he was scum? That doesn't really make sense. Then there's Koshi, coming back, doing a backflip on his reads and yay voting my team through, when I thought he was scum. Why would he do that if he were scum and this was an all town team like I think? If i'm wrong about him, then I have to be wrong about a few others because things aren't making sense. Chairman Ray gives me pause in that he voted yes, yet has given zero reads on anyone on the team and I don't even see a post saying why he went yes over no. Grack saying my team looked good earlier in the day, then no voting it and declaring he was going to vote no to any team proposed today makes me question anything coming out of him. He gives the implication about his hesitation about my vote. However my vote can't possibly be alignment indicative because as scum (assuming Adam is town - remember he thinks Hopeless is town) i would have absolutely no reason to downvote the team. The only reason i would downvote the team is what i said, i am town and i think Adam is scum. However from Adam's perspective (if he is town) this does not mean his team is less town. On December 29 2013 10:47 Adam4167 wrote: Because I picked my two strongest town reads at the time when I made my team..? Why would I need to be cautious about that? Things have happened since then, and with that new information, I am less sure, as the people voting with me are not the people I expected to be doing so when I made this team. The bolded part. This does not mean shit. Adam is hesitant because of what other people vote. He does not trust his own reads, while earlier on he said people voting against his team is a tell that the team is all town!! It makes zero sense that he backpedals from yay-voting the team for the same reasons he thoguht the team was town for. It does not matter who votes what at this stage, the thing that should matter is that Adam has a town read on me and Hopeless, we are town, he is town, and therefore the team is all town. On December 29 2013 10:53 Adam4167 wrote: It all made sense for Koshi-scum and Rayn-town, right up until they both voted the complete opposite I expected them to. Now I have no fucking clue. I don't feel confident enough in this to send this team right now. We have 4 more chances after this one, so lets err on the side of caution and use them. Balls in your court, VE. This is really bad. Look at the argument. - My vote, as i stated earlier on, is not a scumtell. It makes zero sense for me to downvote the team as scum because i would want a team where there is scum, and i could have easily accomplished it by yay-voting!! - Koshi's vote can't be alignment indicative because Adam said he does not have a clear read on Koshi. If Adam's null-read votes yay that's not a reason to backpedal from yay-voting his own team, a team he has picked, a team that are his townreads! TLDR; Adam's reasoning for nay-voting his own team that consists of his top town reads does not make sense. By his logic there would be no information gathered from voting, because everyone could just say "yeah well let's have more info and more leader before passing a team". That's not how it works, you propose a full town team and that's it, you push it through. If everyone uses this bullshit reasoning on yay/nay-voting teams votes are meaningless and tell nothing about anything. His is using BS reasoning for downvoting his own team, it's that simple. | ||
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1) What do you think of my case on Hopeless? 2) What do you think of my case on Adam/Coag? 3) If there was a team suggested that consists of VE's earlier team + Koshi, what would you vote? If "nay", why? 4) Do you think i am scum? If yes, why? | ||
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On January 03 2014 22:38 Hopeless1der wrote: Bussing me is an almost guaranteed win for rayn, he looks so town. Good thing you're a spy Koshi <3 You just scumslipped but i am not scum because i am not bussing you. I just figured you out. | ||
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1) What do you think of my case on Adam/Coag? 2) If there was a team suggested that consists of VE's earlier team + rayn, what would you vote? If "nay", why? | ||
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On January 03 2014 22:42 Hopeless1der wrote: I assure you I am not a spy, I'm just blowing holes in poor logic for funsies. Adam/Koshi/CR spyteam If you are town could you answer my case where i point out what i find to be your poor logic? Also could you tell why exactly do you think Adam + CR are scum and why Koshi is scum over me? | ||
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On January 03 2014 23:00 Hopeless1der wrote: I legitimately thought koshi was town. He was on the back foot because people (correctly) called him scum, and was hesitant about sending himself. *note my previous concept of leader-always-goes This: Was largely in response to this (btw dat red stuff doe): I had not changed my mind, I was feeling out whether people would approve a team of you-me-cora since the existing team was on the cusp of being passed, and we needed to find another townie. On your reasoning for Cora, the fact that his behavior, posting etc, especially in regards to him banging the Hopeless=scum drum make me read him as town. Explaining this read is insulting to Cora and I don't want to incite any further flaming, so here's hoping that would suffice as an explanation. I concluded koshi is the spy because you are not the spy, I am not the spy and the mission failed. Lets suppose I am the spy, there's no chance I can paint you red. I HAVE to go for Koshi here as either alignment. This does not exactly prove you are town as like you said you "had to go against Koshi" as either alignment. Also the first part, i don't understand the reasoning behind your quote you brought up. Koshi was the leader, he decided the team, why are you trying to convince other people about some other team (me/you/Cora)? You were supposed to convince Koshi to suggest a team, not everyone else. | ||
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On January 04 2014 10:09 Grackaroni wrote: I was really annoyed with your accusation at the time, but you were persistent with it. I feel better about sending you than sending Koshi. Hmm.. Why does it have to be me or Koshi over other people? | ||
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This is the team proposed: Grackaroni, Corazon, VisceraEyes, raynpelikoneet. In order for Sentinel to yay-vote the team the team has to be all town. But before Sentinel yay-votes the team there is a yay-vote from Coagulation and Hopeless. This means Sentinel must think those people are town too, why would they yay-vote an all-town team otherwise? If we combine this we have the following scenario: Sentinel thinks Grackaroni, Corazon, VisceraEyes, raynpelikoneet, Caogulation and Hopeless are town. That can't possibly be true because that would be 6 players and unless Sentinel wants to call himself scum he can't possibly think all of those people are town. So Sentinel is scum. | ||
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On January 06 2014 07:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn on two failed missions. Rayn doesn't get to go on missions anymore.  This is stupid thinking because i have been nay-voting the both missions i was in in the first place. How does that make ma scum? I can decide what other people vote and propose as teams? | ||
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On January 07 2014 12:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, I have been absent, but that doesn't make me scum. I will get to this game soon. Explain your statement on how me being on 2 failed missions make me mafia - as i could not possibly do anything to (1) even choose if i was on those missions or not, and (2) voted nay on both teams. | ||
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On January 05 2014 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually Sentinel has to be a spy. This is the team proposed: Grackaroni, Corazon, VisceraEyes, raynpelikoneet. In order for Sentinel to yay-vote the team the team has to be all town. But before Sentinel yay-votes the team there is a yay-vote from Coagulation and Hopeless. This means Sentinel must think those people are town too, why would they yay-vote an all-town team otherwise? If we combine this we have the following scenario: Sentinel thinks Grackaroni, Corazon, VisceraEyes, raynpelikoneet, Caogulation and Hopeless are town. That can't possibly be true because that would be 6 players and unless Sentinel wants to call himself scum he can't possibly think all of those people are town. So Sentinel is scum. On January 06 2014 14:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hopeless you are calling me, Koshi and CR the scumteam right? On January 07 2014 03:54 Hopeless1der wrote: yes On January 07 2014 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's pretty funny because me and CR are the most pro-town players in this game and Sentinel is confirmed scum.. | ||
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That leaves 1 mafia in the pool of me/you/Grack/Cora (whe were on the second mission that failed). There is no room for Coagulation + Chairman Ray and in fact Koshi to be mafia. They all all town, even regardless of what you think of me. | ||
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On January 07 2014 15:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I just don't see him calling you scum anywhere rayn, except for where you ask him. Isn't that strange? That's why i asked him about it. I don't mind him calling me scum because i would expect him to do so as it's the only thing he can do as he is scum. I asked about CR and Koshi from him because his answer gave away his alignment as Sentinel is confirmed scum - all of us 3 can't be scum. | ||
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On January 08 2014 14:38 Grackaroni wrote: it's all based off of you being town. What do you think is a possible scum team without me on it? From the people left (you/Cora/VE) based on what's happened on the last few pages Cora is scum. I'm focused on another game atm and when this team gets rejected - because it should - i am looking more closely into those people. | ||
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Like if you compre to a normal mafia game it's like saying "i copped the confirmed town over the scummy people" because i don't like him being inactive. | ||
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Sentinel thought there is 7 town. Noone makes that kinda logical mistake as town. If someone does then it's their fault. Hopeless did - after that - call three other people scum. That is the next closest thing to a scumclaim. If he does that as fucking town then it's his fault. This is the information we have and this is the information we need to work with. Because there are no flips. If even one of those guys is town then fuck it, but townies should not fuck up like that because this game is literally based on those kinda analysis!! It's that simple, they are scum, and now we have 7 people where we need to find 1 scum, or rather find 2 people where there is 1 scum so we can have 5 townies on mission 4 and 5. | ||
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On January 11 2014 00:59 Koshi wrote: Normal mafia is balanced around the fact a team plays better than guys who are solo. I think this game counters that by the voting mechanism, but this voting mechanism is not the normal voting mechanism. The slowness of 24h picks and 24h votes also work in scum favor imo, making it fast paced like irl helps town because you need to take stances. VE didn't take a single stance on any player in the first 240 hours of this game. Still gets town read. rofl. And that's why i want Grack to do shit, i don't trust VE. At some point i thought he was town but after rereading it's a big nono. The problem is Grack hasn't done much either and Cora was really fucking scummy last phase. But at least one, probably 2 are town. And we need 1 town from there. Scum disadvantage is no off thread comm. They need to play together in thread only, and that makes them fuck up. They can't coordinate. | ||
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Moderate chance that Sentinel is scum, but I'm calling that the scumteam. Ughhh... | ||
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In this particular case where it was not you should always push a policy that the people who are not on the mission vote first. That's a must. Otherwise you can't do shit if spies get a dude on the first mission and the game becomes pretty random. | ||
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On January 11 2014 11:14 Chairman Ray wrote: Thanks! I'll try to keep it up. However I still have many areas to improve upon though, for example, I wasn't open minded enough to consider the scenario where both Hopeless and Sentinel were town. There were definitely moments in their filter where they did seem town and I chose to ignore it. tbh there is pretty much nothing you can do. You can't possibly outargue a scenario where they are scum if they have majorly fucked up, because that should not happen. I am surprised why you did not play more on D1, that's like the backbone of town winning, a good D1. | ||
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