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/in
The leader selecting 4 players on D3 and 4 is a mechanic of the game and must be included.
Edit: The idea is that it increases the risk of sending the same successful team throughout the game, forcing the leaders to consider other players that haven't been on successful missions.
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Because that would be too heavily spy favored imo on this medium. Forum is a little different from the standard face to face game. Ray was saying he plays it regularly IRL I'd like his opinion on the fifth day I guess.
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There's no lynch in this game - everyone in the game is in it til the end. HUZZAH!!
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On December 27 2013 10:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Hi everyone! Glad to see game's finally started :D Show nested quote +On December 27 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Picking a team that will get 100% downvoted (if that includes yourself) does not serve any purpose. I agree with rayn. In Resistance 2 I picked BH and VE, two really town seeming guys (I think we even had 2/3 of the scumteam at that point), but I wasn't trustworthy so Sent-BH-VE got rejected. I don't think there's anything scummy about picking 3 people everyone or almost everyone thinks is town, even if you're not one of those 3. This is my feeling as well. I will go further to say that it's not inherently scummy about refusing to up-vote a team that doesn't include one's self, but it's strictly speaking closed minded and overly cautious play.
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If everyone no vote first team I nominate myself Rayn and Cora for first mission EZPZ.
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On December 27 2013 19:32 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Adam if you needed to decide the team now who'd you pick? If I had to send a team right this second - i'd be sending myself, hopeless and probably yourself. The way hopeless approached the 'leaders voting putting themselves on teams' showed more conviction and confidence than his entire filter in LXIII. While I might not agree with what he was saying, he explained himself well. You seem pretty invested in the game so far, not afraid to attack people and make waves. Your thoughts on what has been discussed up until now seem to mirror my own so that bodes well for you being town. VE, do you intend on doing something other than one-liners this game? I'll do whatever I want. If you don't like, don't include me. <3
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In all seriousness though, I'm reading the thread, watching what happens and thinking about the game. There isn't a whole lot I need to do, as this is more a game of town-finding than scum-hunting...and there are people actively playing the game to choose from. And being that I'm the second leader (I think?) I'll be FORCED to do things soon enough.
So keep ur panties on Adam. <3
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On December 27 2013 23:39 Koshi wrote: Why the sudden doubt about being the second leader? Don't understand this statement...are you referring to the "I think"? I said I think because I said that without checking the veracity of the statement in the OP.
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Yeah I've just slept between then and now. When I posted the first one I had just looked at the leader order and when I posted the second one I had just rolled out of bed. Nothing to see here bruh.
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Sending a liability is a bad idea because it allows strong playing spies (i.e., myself if I were a spy) to hide behind the liability and get on further missions. It's a much better idea to just try and send the towniest people of the day and find out if they're ACTUALLY TOWN with the mission.
We don't have to worry about whether someone will be "leading town" later on because there are no kills and everyone is in the game the whole time. If I'm not sent on any missions, you'll still be able to benefit from my posting regardless the whole game long.
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Well if the guy who picked the team isn't confident, why should I be? I don't even have to read to nay-vote the team. XD
I'm reading anyway, you rascals.
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Adam's reasoning is pretty generic for his picks, which isn't bad per se, but he himself is kinda a null read for me and I'd feel comfortable with someone like myself or Corazon on the team. Maybe a little Sentinel. But mostly just less Adam.
##Vote: Nay
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On December 29 2013 08:53 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2013 08:46 Adam4167 wrote: Rayn, don't be thick. I asked the host if my submission of the team counted as a yay from me, he said yes, so there was no reason for me to vote.
When I went to bed there were 3 yes votes and no one was contesting my team, so what was I to discuss? I'm not going to bark at the people that have voted yes, their votes are in, and they've already done their bit. For everyone else, I was waiting for them to bring their objections to the thread to discuss with them. If they had no objections, there was nothing to discuss and they'd vote yes.
The level of resistance this team is facing is what I'd expect from an all town team. I'll almost certainly vote yes, but we've got 4 hours still, may as well use it to discuss.
Level of resistance? The team has already passed lol. ^
Like, I don't know what Adam is expecting, everyone to just fall in line and vote yes and not even think? There's no "level of resistance", there's me and rayn with our problems with the team that passed with not even everyone voting.
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I'm choosing Hopeless, rayn and myself for the next team.
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On December 27 2013 20:25 Koshi wrote: So I suggest rayn as a certain pick on first mission. Reasons: 1) Most active player 2) Works better for town when he is "confirmed town" 3) He will be scumleader if he is scum. We better know fast when he could be a tainted forest. 4) He understand why we can't take his word for granted if first mission fails. = less tension. ____________________________________
Now that I made 100% sense that rayn should be picked on first mission.
Is this not still applicable Koshi?
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On December 29 2013 10:41 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2013 10:39 Adam4167 wrote:On December 29 2013 10:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2013 09:39 Adam4167 wrote: Sentinel, if you could change your vote, would you switch it?
Rayn, same question to you No i wouldn't. I don't trust you, especially after your comment on the top of the current page. You don't like the fact that I want to take extra time to make sure I don't fuck this up? Why This ultimately rests in my hands, as I have the swing vote and I want to make sure i'm making the right decision. Why are you only being cautious now as opposed to being cautious when you picked a team? I really liked this post by Cora. Maybe I'll switch out someone FOR Cora. :/
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Maybe I'll switch out rayn for Cora :OOOO
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Eeehhhh....I think I'd rather just send Cora instead. Thx though Koshi. <3
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I actually opted to send Sentinel and Cora in addition to myself. Sentinel keeps saying things I agree with and Cora has also seemed very town since the beginning. I feel most comfortable with this team at present.
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Well that would be about the most retarded thing ever.
1) The scumteam cannot communicate with each other. 2) The scums on missions have to choose whether they will sabotage or not without consulting their scum partners
Because 1 and 2 are both true it is very VERY unlikely that I, as scum knowing who my partners would be, would send the entire team on D1. If you think I'm scum, you pretty much have to assume that at least one of Sent/Cora is town.
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Right, but you know what I mean Hopeless. Are you suggesting that you similarly think that my proposed team is entirely spies? Or were you just needlessly and senselessly tossing dirt on me?
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Read away friend. I'd like your thoughts on Koshi whenever you get a chance.
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No there's a reason. I'm just trying to decide if it's a town-aligned one or a scum-aligned one. Like, he said he'd consider Yay voting the team I said I was gonna submit, but he's also been calling me scum for two pages. Does that make sense from a town-perspective? It occurs to me that I'm trying to find a balance of towniness to me and towniness to the thread when making my choices, but Koshi seemed like he would send a scumread. :/
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Frankly because of the strange Koshi/Rayn thing going on. Like, there's nothing wrong with Koshi thinking rayn is town, but if Koshi thinks I'm scum what reason would he or could he have for wanting me to commit to a townread on rayn? And why would his yay vote be contingent on whether I explain my rayn townread if he's already got a townread on rayn? It seems to me that if he were town then it should be enough that his townread is on the team, whether I explain it or not. There's just something fishy about it and I'd rather not have to deal with it right now - would rather send two other townreads that do NOT have strange interactions with Koshi.
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But for the record, I'm still mostly town on Rayn...just disappointed that he's not as active as he was at the start of the game.
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Hopeless, me switching teams up was SPECIFICALLY FOR the reason you pointed out - not much scrutiny has been put on the players I mentioned, it got people to look into them and say whether or not they agree with me or not, in a way that is accountable, by voting yes or no to my team. I wasn't aiming for it to fail, I'm aiming for people to read the players I've proposed, form an opinion and make their opinions known through votes. Can you explain what's sketch about that? Why would I just propose people from the team that just failed? Does that not seem more like something I would do if I were looking for a failing team?
Just...remove the fact that I removed you from the team and look at the big picture. It's not that I don't think you're town, it's that I think these /other/ dudes are town and I want people to go on the record and say whether they agree with me or not.
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I get bad vibes off Koshi for reasons I pointed out - I'm still trying to get a handle on Grack, he kinda feels like he's overplaying the whole "paranoid-townie" bit with his repeated "Guys how can you be so sure, what if we're wrong, etc etc" but to be honest it came at a time when three people had instaYay-d the first team....keeping an eye on Grack.
Rounding out my scum list assuming Grack and Koshi are scum would be Chairman Ray. He's got a lot of big posts but nothing saying who he thinks is suspicious or why - just a lot of going on about the setup and that kind of stuff.
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On December 30 2013 08:18 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 06:54 Corazon wrote: Hopeless, you think Koshi has town, yet you overlook the fact that he has barely contributed to the discussion and has only attacked people for superficial reasons.
Your scum read on me is based on the fact that you think Koshi is town, so your logic is faulty.
Don't say I've only been +1ing people when I've been contributing a lot more to the thread than you. The OMGUS is strong with this one. I didn't overlook shit with koshi. I have him as town despite his poor reasoning and his superficial attack on me. My scum read on you is not solely based on koshi association. I never said you're only +1ing. I said the +1 to me being town was scummy. Get wrecked. [Hr] VE you never brought up any reservations on me or rayn regarding why Adams team failed. Nor did you try to gauge reactions to your team before it was LOCKED in for your turn as leader. Very passive play bordering on foolish. Adam nayed himself to allow us more room for discussion. You just narrowed that discussion to your team for no reason almost immediately. That's not cool at all, I think its scummy. Adam only Nay'd himself because it was upon the deadline and he was one of the last to actually vote. I'm confident in my team because I have decent reads on both Cora and Sentinel and so I Yay'd it. Feel free to not vote and discuss to at your leisure, I don't see how me voting has inhibited anything.
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On December 30 2013 10:29 Adam4167 wrote: VE, you seem to have given your thoughts on everyone else in this game one way or another, yet for me its 'null' early on D1 with a downvote, and apparently I'm not in your theorized scum team.
Basically, what I want to know is, what is your current read on me? What are your thoughts on me passing my own team? If your scum team is correct, then why did both Koshi and Chairman Ray vote yay yesterday?
MAYBE town? Your filter left me hanging yesterday when I looked, but your posting around deadline time was decent enough I guess. But your last question IS a good one. I'm not super sold on Grack scum so it's possible I'm wrong and you're scum. <3
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More yay votes plz, I think this team is a WEINER!!
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On December 31 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:I think it's really likely that Adam is town based on that. This line... Show nested quote +If your scum team is correct, then why did both Koshi and Chairman Ray vote yay yesterday? ...is exactly the kind of behavior you should bee looking & questioning in Resistance games if you are town. That's probably one of the best posts in thread. Well maybe later on it's a good question. Right now it's just meaningless conjecture and WIFOM.
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Like he can safely say that now if he's scum because the team in question was denied and the present team contains zero of the players in question. It's pointless to even consider "what if" right now because we have no information to base it off of.
Not saying it makes him scum, just saying that him saying that now, during my team's vote, doesn't make him as town as you seem to think it does.
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And no, I thought Adam was scum when I nay-voted the team. Or at least, I was explicit in saying Adam was the reason I was nay-voting.
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No, because think about it: to him, there was a lot of opposition. And with a final vote, if the team fails, Adam looks the worst right?
Adam's posting looked better at the end of the day, THAT is what changed my opinion on him. Him nay-voting could mean anything, whether it's to give us more discussion time (which is what it appears to be) or to follow perceived town sentiment (which is what I guess it would have been if he's scum).
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On December 31 2013 05:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay, so you think it's WIFOM? I understand that's a possibility but i just wanna know what you think and why.  About the discussion point. I think that's the most WIFOM'y thing discussed on D1 and all the people who discussed it should be under scrutiny. Nay-voting a team especially on D1 because "you want more discussion" is an easy way for scum to hide behind if the proposed team is all town. If the team is all town and you think so, you should be yay-voting it because the point is to pass teams that are all town. If people nay-vote because they "want more discussion" that actually kills the discussion because the votes are not because of reads but something else, you can't tell the real motivation or mkae conclusions about people's reasons. Especially because to the person who did it (Team Leader Adam) he was in a unique position of "knowing" that 1/3 of the team is town for a fact.
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Like, discussion of what exactly? He proposed a team of what he thought were 3 townies, and the deciding vote on whether his "all town team" got sent was "nay to give us discussion"......discussion of what exactly? Why we should send the people he proposed? But he could have just sent the people he proposed if he'd voted Yay. It doesn't make much sense to me from a town perspective.
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What do you think about Hopeless's problem with me rayn? I have a hard time remaining objective looking at it for obvious reasons.
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Well for starters, I selected my team 12 hours into the day after the first 12 hours had been a black hole of inactivity. So no, I didn't almost immediately pick a team, I was just one of the first to post after the day was started. Why am I suspicious because the entire game is absent from the thread?
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I'm going to be completely honest here guys.
The reason I nay-voted Adam's team was because three people instantly yay'd it and that bothered me so I nay-voted. I hadn't filtered a single one of them when I voted. It was a response to the present votes, period.
Discuss.
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When I posted later, I had filtered them and posted my thoughts, but at the time of my vote, I had no idea what alignment I thought any of the candidates were, aside from maybe having Adam as leaning town for thinking I'm scum for bad reasons.
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Koshi I'd like you to explain why you think I'm scum please.
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That's not even a case - there's nothing in there that says why you think I'm scum. I do see you saying you are fine with my reasoning several times.
I want to know why you think I'm scum. Try harder.
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I could get behind that team.
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On January 01 2014 07:00 Hopeless1der wrote: So guys...rayn/cora/hopeless
Who needs convincing? This looks like a post promoting the team Cora, not a post from someone who won't yay vote it. Is Hopeless the only factor in you not wanting to send this team?
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Cora do you have misgivings about Sentinel that I overlooked somewhere?
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On January 01 2014 08:01 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2014 07:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Cora do you have misgivings about Sentinel that I overlooked somewhere? While I go look at Sentinel's filter (because I did have one small qualm but I decided to overlook it b/c I was ok with the team you sent out), can you answer me this: Are you trying to find scum through process of elimination? As in finding all of the town first? I'm really just trying to find a successful team. I'm gonna worry about narrowing down the search once we have some actual hard evidence in the form of successful (or failed) missions.
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Interesting. Happy New Year.
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I will vote yay. Here we go!!
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Interesting. So I'm trying to figure out if I want to risk sending someone from the first mission on the second mission. Of the three teamsters, I have the strongest townread on Rayn, but I'm leaning away from sending anyone from the first mission.
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I like hopeless for scum. Also I feel like this is a scumslip.
On January 03 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 07:03 Koshi wrote:On January 03 2014 06:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2014 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh shit i totally forgot CR. I could not ffs find the fifth person that you were talking about and thought it could be scum communication.
I was trying to find something that makes sense from the thread after you made the case on VE and we talked about it and other stuff. I still can't understand why the hell suddenly after that, everyone just yay-votes the team with zero discussion. Even VE, who had you as a scumread and really the only thing you talked about was your case on him. I conclude Koshi is the spy. What is your conclusion if Koshi is not a spy. That is an incredibly stupid question considering there is only 1 possible answer I can give. It reads like Hopeless KNOWS there's only a single scum on the first mission, which is information a townie wouldn't have.
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On January 04 2014 00:23 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 00:22 VisceraEyes wrote:I like hopeless for scum. Also I feel like this is a scumslip. On January 03 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2014 07:03 Koshi wrote:On January 03 2014 06:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2014 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh shit i totally forgot CR. I could not ffs find the fifth person that you were talking about and thought it could be scum communication.
I was trying to find something that makes sense from the thread after you made the case on VE and we talked about it and other stuff. I still can't understand why the hell suddenly after that, everyone just yay-votes the team with zero discussion. Even VE, who had you as a scumread and really the only thing you talked about was your case on him. I conclude Koshi is the spy. What is your conclusion if Koshi is not a spy. That is an incredibly stupid question considering there is only 1 possible answer I can give. It reads like Hopeless KNOWS there's only a single scum on the first mission, which is information a townie wouldn't have. You mean to tell me that you dont have rayn as almost 100% town? No I do, but I'd still put him down as possible scum if I were you. And I'm town, soooo....
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Did Grack propose a team that I'm missing somewhere? I suggest my team plus Grack, and see where the eff we stand.
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Wait Hopeless just said that didn't he? Hmmmmzzzzz....
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On January 04 2014 11:00 FirmTofu wrote:Day 2: Phase 2Team 1Current Leader: GrackaroniDeadline to Vote on the Team: 04:00 GMT (+00:00)Countdown: Proposed Team: Grackaroni, Corazon, VisceraEyes, raynpelikoneet ##Yay
I'd say the weakest link is Grackaroni, but I also know why you'd disagree.
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Why don't you advise us about your reads instead? :D
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Rayn on two failed missions. Rayn doesn't get to go on missions anymore.
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Like, I have been absent, but that doesn't make me scum. I will get to this game soon.
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It doesn't make you mafia, it's just something to very heavily consider. And the fact that you nayed the missions is a point against you, not in your favor. The missions passed anyway, if you're scum you have scumbuddies who could have yay'd trying to make you look better.
I'm just saying. It's something I'm considering. And you going on about how you're the towniest person in the game isn't helping assuage my suspicion.
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Especially if they're semi-suspicious anyway.
Guys this is why you're SOOO glad you couldn't lynch me. I got this. Just give me a bit.
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On January 07 2014 12:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Wrong game whoops This is probably one of them rayn.
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Cora thinks it's Hopeless. Maybe I start there.
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On January 07 2014 13:15 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think its hopeless. Why?
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That's consistent with him not being as active when the game dies - just kinda giving up after he'd been putting in so much effort or whatever. I can buy that.
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I think Cora's probably town for meta reasons, and that leaves rayn for the D1 mission. I'm going to look at the D2 votes and see if anything jumps out at me assuming rayn was the scum for the first mission.
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On January 07 2014 13:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe you should also yay-vote the mission VE so we can lose this game. Explain.
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Why Coag again? I get why you think so with CR, but I think I missed the part where Coag was confirmed town.
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On January 03 2014 00:14 Alakaslam wrote:Night 1Team: Koshi, Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet Team 3Current Leader: KoshiCurrent Vote Count:Corazon: NayHopeless1der: YayCoagulation: YayChairman Ray: YayKoshi: Yay[UoN]Sentinel: YayVisceraEyes: YayRaynpelikoneet: YayKoshi, Hopeless1der, and Raynepelikoneet have been sent on a mission!
If you have night actions to send in PM both of us please, this goes for the whole game, questions etc.
On January 06 2014 03:52 FirmTofu wrote:Day 2: Phase 2Proposed Team: Grackaroni, Corazon, VisceraEyes, raynpelikoneet Team 1Current Leader: GrackaroniFinal Vote Count:VisceraEyes: YayCorazon: YayKoshi: NayCoagulation: YayHopeless1der: Yay[UoN] Sentinel: Yayraynpelikoneet: NayGrackaroni: NayChairman Ray: NayGrackaroni, Corazon, VisceraEyes, and raynpelikoneet have been sent on a mission after a close 5-4 vote! What do you make of Grack Nay-voting his team here? I mean he's on it.
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Right, well I'm working from the angle of the failed mission D2 presently - I'm townreading Cora and if you're town it can only be Grack to me.
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Regarding Hopeless, his team proposal contains both myself and Corazon who were both on the mission that failed on D2, and rayn who was in the mission with him on D1 that failed. On D3, scum only need 1 member to fail the mission AFAIK so this seems like a pretty risky proposal if he's town and trying to get a passing team...where's the townie paranoia? Why are his reads so strong suddenly, and why isn't he doing more now that he's got these super confident reads?
In the post you talked to him about asking if he thought you were scum with CR and Koshi, I was under the impression that he was thinking the team was Koshi/CR and Sentinel. And before this he said he had a Koshi/CR/Coag scumteam - while even earlier he implies that he has you at 100% town.
I think you might be right about Hopeless.
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Oh yeah Coag is the last guy. Nevermind that bit then.
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I just don't see him calling you scum anywhere rayn, except for where you ask him. Isn't that strange?
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Cora who are you talking about sending on the mission?
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So Koshi, what do you think about Hopeless/Sentinel/Grack scumteam? Could you put your chickens in that basket?
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Okay, Koshi if you're scum then a plague on both ur houses.
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On January 08 2014 00:40 Hopeless1der wrote: somebody get CR to post his massive reads Why is it that important to you? Can't you just not include him in teams? Why are you using this as an excuse to do fuck all else?
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Sent is scum dude. He's not going anywhere.
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On January 08 2014 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Vote: yay Alright Cora, you can go ahead and throw the game now. This is a fantastic attitude! ^^
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I think you should not take Grack/Sent/Hopeless. Beyond that I'd have to see the team.
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I like you Hopeless. Don't give up if you're one of us.
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This game got away from me. Thinking back, I had reservations about rayn being so liberal with how "confirmed" people were, and I was starting to come around on at least Sentinel for town.
gg scum.
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