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PS: I will be supernice this game. | ||
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I am town. Take me on missions. Trust me and dont worry about me. Koshi is town. Town is Koshi. You are screwed scummers. | ||
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I can take grilling. I am active. Pick me and be sure of at least 1 townie. | ||
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I am town. Who doubts me? Who dares to doubt me? | ||
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But beware. Town or scum. Come after me And you will get lynched It has been proven. Koshi doesnt get lynched. Koshi is always town. | ||
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GN all. | ||
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But ok. I guess rayn is townish and can carry town later. Cora was the first in this game to be critical so I guess that can be townish. And if VE cora and rayn are all town I really wont have to do anything this game except convince rayn I am town. So I might vote yes to that team. Yay town! Which Koshi is a part off. | ||
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On December 27 2013 07:22 FirmTofu wrote: Day 1: Phase 1 Mission Leader Adam4167 must propose a team of 3 players to head the first mission. He may include himself. The mission will fail if there is at least 1 sabotage. If the mission leader proposes a team in this thread, it is FINAL. We will immediately move to phase 2 of Day 1. Ok, let me ask a simple question so the scummers can look like they are contributing. How does the voting thingie work? 1) Leader proposes team. (Phase 1) 2) All peepz vote yay or nay, majority wins? (Phase 2) 3) if nay we go back to Phase 1 with new leader, if yay we go into nightphase. Am I correct? | ||
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On December 27 2013 19:51 Adam4167 wrote: Frankly, I don't see anything in your filter that gives me the slightest clue to your alignment. 1) Which in itself is probably a tell. 2) Do something useful instead of professing your towniness repeatedly. 1) a tell? What kinda tell? Good or bad? 2) Useful stuff. Hmm. I think that you shouldn't go for Hopelessderr. If the mission fails we don't have any guarantee that he will explain himself properly in the future. The guy can do major lurking, even in Hogwarts he only had 10 pages and I think he survived till end. So even if he isn't the scummer on the team, the scummers will have an easy time to make Hopeless look bad and then Hopeless will not get choosen on day 4/day 5 and a scummer will. Now, I don't want to limit this idea to Hopeless alone. I think day 1 should consist of the people that are respected townies in general and have a good level of activity . VE/rayn come to mind. Because if the first mission works out we can trust these respected townies and especially with rayn, if we know he is town, he is way better in the game. Because sometimes he tends to piss people off and if town knows he is town he pisses people less off. So I suggest rayn as a certain pick on first mission. Reasons: 1) Most active player 2) Works better for town when he is "confirmed town" 3) He will be scumleader if he is scum. We better know fast when he could be a tainted forest. 4) He understand why we can't take his word for granted if first mission fails. = less tension. ____________________________________ Now that I made 100% sense that rayn should be picked on first mission. Pick Koshi as well. Reasons: 1) Koshi is town. I know this for sure. 2) rayn/koshi will spam each other till they know who is the scummer. It is won't be pretty but pretty sure we can work it out. 3) Even if you doubt that I am town, every game eventually people say I am town. The longer a game goes on, the more people are certain I am town. This has happened in the last 12 games, not once was there an exception. Because I am town again this game, the same will happen. Now imagine the epicness of taking Koshi on every mission and that fucker keeps looking more town the longer this game goes on? Jeez. So awesome. Pick Koshi!!! | ||
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In the very sad world in which the mission failed and both rayn/Koshi were picked, I am sure that with the activity that both rayn and me have, and the history, rayn will figure out that I am town for sure and will be forced to look at the third guy. I would say that I would be a good bet to figure rayn out but sadly lately I have been wrong. But still. I will be critical of rayn and help everybody to figure him out, and probably tunnel him anyway in the case that first mission fails. But let's hope it doesn't fail! You are all giving rayn townread for almost free anyway so yeah. Will work out. | ||
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Grack, could you explain to me why you would send Hopeless? I just wrote something on why we shouldn't take Hopeless. Why is Hopeless a better pick than yourself? Isn't it the same principle? | ||
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Might be wrong. But it has been decided in my head. VE/rayn/Koshi ^ I like this. | ||
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On December 27 2013 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi could you elaborate more on the Hopeless/Grack/Adam thing? You seem to be thinking Adam and Grack are scum correct and they are trying to frame(?) Hopeless? Yup. This is of course only a little thingie. But enough so that at this point I prefer somebody else over Adam. I already explained why I wouldn't take hopeless just yet. I think that sounds reasonable. So why does Grack come in here 5 posts later and without explanation vote for Hopeless? Clearly Grack is trying to put discussion on that Hopeless pick in his list --> Hopeless in the light, Adam/rayn in the shadow. Also, I just don't really like the Hopeless pick for the first mission. So Hopeless posted something thoughtful and therefore he deserves to go on the first mission? Meh. imo not the best reason. | ||
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On December 28 2013 00:06 Hopeless1der wrote: Adams reason was that his meta read on me is that I was distinctly not "thoughtful" in my last scum game and I am likely town here. I don't like the way you've reasoned to have me sit out. When talking about me, the assumption and followup thoughts are about a sabotaged mission. With rayn, you focus on a successful mission, and use the 'what if we fail' scenario to show how you can make yourself super duper townie by catching rayn. I didn't even get a glimmer of hope. That's a pretty hard-ass stance to take against me considering how little your reasoning takes into account my play this game. Why do you assume I will neglect to explain myself? I don't need to be verbose, I need to be transparent. You don't seem to see any value in me as a player based on your reasoning. I dislike that very much, I didn't know how little you thought of me. Well, true :/ I am sorry. But. It's just more likely that somebody like rayn/VE leads town to victory than yourself. I only remember you from Hogwarts & Noir and it's not that you were so decisive in Hogwarts as town. I remember the first time you were "in the picture" in Hogwarts was when we had a redcheck in Hufflepuff and you gave townreads to all your Housemembers. Beside that I think that you were pretty grey in the first days. I might be wrong. Therefore I say pick rayn/VE who are always pretty vocal and listened to. And then obviously myself because I am totes town. | ||
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On December 28 2013 00:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't understand this statement...are you referring to the "I think"? I said I think because I said that without checking the veracity of the statement in the OP. Here you are pretty certain that you were the second leader: On December 27 2013 16:45 VisceraEyes wrote: If everyone no vote first team I nominate myself Rayn and Cora for first mission EZPZ. I wonder why you were certain you were second leader 8 hours ago and then your previous message you added "(I think)". Just strange. I also might be bored and looking to deeply into things. | ||
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On December 28 2013 00:40 Hopeless1der wrote: Okay Koshi, I'll appeal to you like this: You seem predisposed to the condition that I am going to lurk, and that is a fair assumption since I do it all the time. Since this game has no lynch or death mechanic to deal with lurkers, how do you propose people get concrete information about me? By your own reasoning, players like VE and rayn are going to be able to demonstrate their township through activity and leadership. The mission are a very weak cop-check and could serve to give more information on harder to read players so that the strong/vocal players can develop stronger reads. No. I don't like that. You send the most townie people on Day 1. But because I doubt that anybody can prove himself 100% town I suggest that the most active people/most respected people go on the first mission. Reasons have been stated. Why I do not want liabilities to go on a Mission 1. Let's say we send Chairman Ray/[UoN]Sentinel/Hopeless on Mission 1 and it fails. What will you do then? One of those is scum but all 3 will probably(?) not have the biggest filter and shit is hard when there are no flips. But then you have your townleaders with the biggest filters (aka rayn/VE/Koshi/...) that don't really know who to trust and what to do. It's not optimal. Let's say that we send rayn/VE/Cora and mission succeeds. Then I know for a fact that 50% of all the post on Day 2 will be made by townies. For a fact. So easy. So nice. | ||
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If we had Foolishness, marv and Prome in this game and then the rest of us. Why not send those 3? If the mission is succesful on day 2 those 3 decide who to pick as 4th member while the others prove their townyness. In that process the 3 can also evaluate the other 2 leaders. ^ Best case scenario because a towncircle can be born. If the mission is not succesful those 3 know that 1 of them is a spy and they got the skillset to find out who it is. ^ Less good scenario but okish if 2 are town. But if you send 2 of them and 1 lurker the scummer out of marv/prome has an easier time to shift the blame to the lurker. That's something that can't happen or is more difficult if you send 3 guys that are active. ________________ That's what my theory comes down to. I am simply suggesting it and will put that opinion now a bit in the back so it's not the only thing I speak about. It doesn't have to be like that but that's how I would do it. | ||
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Yay for activeness! | ||
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On December 28 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: And here you are clearly contradicting yourself. Koshi what the hell? Get your shit together if you are town. Most towniest people go, doesn't matter who they are. How? | ||
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Current team is all town. CR is town. I would say out of sentinel and grack, grack is the scummer. | ||
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VE was playing it cool. Staying in the back, I thought he was gathering reads and not letting the scummers feel his presence at first. VE even made the comment "even when I am not elected I can still give good reads", but after adam made his team. VE came into the picture and instantly undermined Adam without touching the team, no townie reason for that. The follow up reads VE gave was null on adam. Nothing at all on rayn and Hopeless. Town on Cora and Sentinel. Which doesnt make sense, if Adam is nullish and the biggest problem in that team. Then VE has already townreads on rayn, Hopeless, Cora and Sentinel. Pretty strong stuff. But VE is not that confident at all in his post, he should be pushing a nay vote from everybody and be captain himself, pick his reads and own this game for town. But he isn't, he is still unsure about what to do when his team gets through and he will have to pick sabotage or not. VE is scum. Pretty sure about him. CR is town for spilling all the information. I am a guy that hasnt played resistance yet and I feel CR his information is helping me. Unless CR is teamed with 2 noobies there is no reason for him to be noobfriendly. Sadly people are thinking I am scum so this is looking like exactly the thing CR as scum would do to help me but nope. I am not scum. CR is being neutral atm. Neutral is good. VE pretended to be neutral at start but wasnt after first team got out. Cora is pushing me (town) out of mission 1-3. | ||
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 . I wanted to go on missions and be awesome. Koshi totes town. Totes town. Town town town. | ||
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Lets call rayn town. I don't know if I like hopeless because too many people like hopeless tbh. Just realised that now. L Hmm. Could be that VE is scum with hopeless and therefore ignoring him and already planning to put stuff on you. Would be sad. Hopeless is on you then. So yeah. Yay for your team! PS: you better not be scum or I am looking bad. | ||
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Yes it is. For me. But I getting scumreads from everybody and nobody defends me for my awesome contributions like you quoted. I am asking why you think rayn is town. Or why you take rayn with you. Prefferable in multiple lines because you are scum and I want you to commit on a rayn townread. | ||
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On December 30 2013 02:02 Corazon wrote: Well when it comes to Koshi, I'm just glad that there is no day where we have to send all of the town players. ^ This sentence is quite strange. | ||
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VisceraEyes/Corazon is my scumteam atm. Can't shake the feeling and I had it for a long time now. I said why already. + now there is a scumslip. On December 30 2013 05:41 Hopeless1der wrote: Koshi who do you plan to send for your team? Koshi, Not VE, Not Cora | ||
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My fav team would be rayn, hopeless and myself. 100% town. | ||
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Question is: The "scumslip" from Cora, what did you think when you read that? I am currently off the idea that Cora is scum. I just want to know what you thought when you read it, and don't relate it to Cora his alignment. Just the sentence on itself: Well when it comes to Koshi, I'm just glad that there is no day where we have to send all of the town players. | ||
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Does nobody proposes to go on Missions normally? The only 2 people that wanted to go on missions were Cora and me. Maybe that is because we both didn't play the game before but the first thing I thought when I started the game was "How do I get myself into missions?" | ||
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Does it concern you that even though nobody thinks you are scummy, nobody considers you to go on missions as well. You even suggested a team earlier that didn't include you. How are you planning on changing that perspective? Or are you just playing to be the least scummy guy in the thread and join the later missions? | ||
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On December 31 2013 20:11 Grackaroni wrote: You are thinking that wanting to go on missions is a townie trait? For a brief moment I was thinking that Adam was scum because not enough people were asking to be picked or showing effort to be picked. There is a pretty good post by CR where he says that it is a tactic for town to not discuss anything and let the leader pick a team. Scummers will then have to show face if the team is by accident all town. But if the leader is scum, scummers don't have to ask to get picked or do extra effort. But I don't know if I like that line of reasoning atm. | ||
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On December 31 2013 20:18 Grackaroni wrote: hmmmm. I'm not sure. I do seem to have dug some sort of a whole for myself by not posting. You too see to be making some enemies. Perhaps we should team up. Team Grackoshi Go GRACKOSHHI! Sounds epic. I am planning to pick up my game now, so let's be a well respected Grackoshi team. I thought this game would move way faster and that we would have a team ready to go in 48 hours. Therefore I went a bit chicken without head & fingers crossed and just spammed to take me on the first mission. Sillyness :D. Concern I now have: 1) Corazon never talking directly to me. He mentions Koshi a shitton in his filter, but never redirect his questions to me personally. It's all "Koshi needs to pick up his game" "If Koshi is going to troll" "I will not be considering Koshi his team at all" Which is just strange. I have been reading BttB mafia, Titanic 1 & 2 and he doesn't do that there at all. This game he mentions my playstyle so many times and I don't think there is 1 message directed at me. But because there is no meta to compare it to it is just simply strange and not alignment indicative I guess. I do have some posts that make Cora town though. Those are for later when I make my teams and give overall reads. 2) What do you think of Adam nay voting his own team + his reasoning behind it. I could see a VE or Cora say that because CR and I instantly voted "yay" that they get extra hesitant about adam, hopeless or rayn. But Adam (and rayn as well tbh) should not have this problem that much because they know from themselves that they are town. So then they only need to verify 2 more townies. It speaks in both Adam, rayn their favor that they blame each other for the nayvote though. rayn says he nayvoted because Koshi&CR yayvoted and he became unsure about Adamn. Adam says he nayvoted because Koshi&CR yayvoted and he became unsure about rayn. I think I need to reread it again but atm I am thinking Adam might have been thinking that if he yayvotes with Hopeless and rayn being very townie that he will be seen as the spy in the mission if he decide to fail it. Or he is forced to succeed it but then he might confirm both Hopeless and rayn as very likely town and he might fall out of the boat. Hmm. I don't know yet. | ||
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On December 31 2013 20:49 Grackaroni wrote: Ah yes. the nay vote of Adam. A peculiar event it was. He just seemed oh so confident of his team before people started wondering why the vote was so easily passed. If that vote failed he was definitely taking the blaiM! Hehe. I'm really not sure though. Mafia is hard. If he was town though I think he made the right call. Good play by ADAM! Who you putting on your team this time Koshi/ I don't know yet. The good news is that my team is allowed to get nayvoted, and there still wont be that much pressure on your team because people got Hopeless as town. I am still planning to reread once and then filterdive and give a decent lenght post + my choices. Hopefully in +-3 hours from now. | ||
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"In resistance it is not smart for scum to put (light) pressure on each other for no reason, there are no flips and double bussing each other just make it less likely either will be picked if 3 or 4 townies need to be send." Am I right about this? It somewhat sounds right? | ||
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On December 31 2013 22:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Stop making a big deal about it. If you don't think he's scum, why are you even bringing it up? If we're going to have discussion it's going to be about something that matters. Not completely. If one is trusted more than the other, then it helps one become even more towny at the expense of the other. 1) I just want people their opinion so I can read them. 2) But the problem is that we select townies, so let's say 2 scummers bus each other with good arguments day 1. Town will simply not pick them both, the mission will succeed and both scummers get 0 towncred. | ||
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On December 31 2013 23:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Is my opinion going to somehow factor into your magic case on me then? We don't know if they're townies though. If we think one of them is a townie and he gets into a fight with an alleged scum, and they're both actually scum, the townie gets more towncred for justifying himself and putting pressure on the scummer. 1. Glad you expect my case to be magic! 2. The point is that we will never get to the phase where the townie looking scummer will get credit for bussing the scummy looking scummer because both will not get picked for early missions and best case scenario the townie looking scummer will get picked D3 or D4 but it might be too late then. | ||
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Do you think it is impossible you and VE are in the same scumteam? Any proof you can find in the thread? | ||
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Out of VE his first 5 post I think only this one is interesting, the other 4 are just filler posts: On December 27 2013 12:15 VisceraEyes wrote: This is my feeling as well. I will go further to say that it's not inherently scummy about refusing to up-vote a team that doesn't include one's self, but it's strictly speaking closed minded and overly cautious play. rayn says X, Sentinel agrees with X and gives an example, VE agrees with X and adds that doing the opposite is also fine. I don't know what to make of this post. But it's interesting how VE formulates his post. Why not just say. "Guys, it is also not scummy to refuse to upvote a team that doesn't include yourself." I think that would have been better than just seemingly +1 the idea but then add the opposite as well. Bit strange imo. On December 29 2013 00:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Well if the guy who picked the team isn't confident, why should I be? I don't even have to read to nay-vote the team. XD I'm reading anyway, you rascals. This post is also quite strange. VE claims to have not read anything except the fact that Adam is not sure about sending his own team? But I do not get where VE gets this idea. Could you explain VE? The only think I find in Adams filter is this: On December 28 2013 10:51 Adam4167 wrote: Do I have to yay my own team? seems rather redundant Which indicates Adam simply doesn't know if he has to yay-vote and thinks he already has yayvoted by sending his team.To me this post looks like VE already setting up his nay vote. There already were 3 yayvotes and most likely Adam would be 4th so nayvoting would look better than be the 5th yayvote in case there was a scummer on that team. I know this looks like I am already making connections with Adam but my point is also valid if rayn is scum (I got Hopeless as 100% town, I will explain that in another post if needed). You have to know that Koshi, Sentinel and Hopeless already voted yes, so in the case 1 out of Adam/rayn is scum VE is gambling on the fact that both will yay vote the team. One will yay vote because he is on the team as town, the other one will yay vote because he is scum. VE will look good when later the mission fails or at least he won't look bad. Sadly for him both Adam and rayn voted no while rayn his no vote makes him town imo, Adam his nay vote looks more like a "fuck what do I do" nay vote. On December 29 2013 02:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Adam's reasoning is pretty generic for his picks, which isn't bad per se, but he himself is kinda a null read for me and I'd feel comfortable with someone like myself or Corazon on the team. Maybe a little Sentinel. But mostly just less Adam. ##Vote: Nay The nayvote + reasons. I already pointed out that VE is not looking at the bigger picture with this nay vote. In this vote he points out that both Adam is a null read and the biggest problem in the suggested team. This means that Hopeless and rayn are looking fine to VE. Added in his nayvote VE states that Cora and Sentinel also look pretty damn good. The sum of this means people that are town for VE are: Hopeless, rayn, Cora, Sentinel and himself. That's 5 guys town, 1 null and the 3 remaining guys must be the scummers? If this is the case, would a good play not be wait till both Grack and CR also voted? To see what they did? Why does VE has to "rush" his vote in? My explanation is that VE wanted to look good when the team passed (it looked like it would) and he had his nayvote on a critical moment for some towncred. Look, I know I am the last to be very critical of what is good play. But I hope you see where I am going with this. Also, we all know Koshi is not VE. Koshi is Koshi. VE is VE though. On December 30 2013 00:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm choosing Hopeless, rayn and myself for the next team. VE already explained himself why he eventually didn't do it and I am ok with that explanation. He might have considered the same problem as Adam could have had. What happens when the mission fails and you picked both rayn and Hopeless? You either sabotage and outplay both of them and shift blame to them (hard to do) or you succeed but might have the problem that both rayn and Hopeless get more towncred than yourself and you fall out Mission 2 (less likely for VE) For this reason it is quite convenient I asked VE to give a townread on rayn. I did that knowing that if VE sends rayn + Hopeless and the mission fails then VE kinda is in a thougher spot because he already gave a townread on rayn. Here is the answer from VE + Show Spoiler + On December 30 2013 00:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I really liked this post by Cora. Maybe I'll switch out someone FOR Cora. :/ On December 30 2013 01:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Eeehhhh....I think I'd rather just send Cora instead. Thx though Koshi. <3 There is none... Why can't VE just give me a good quality post why rayn is town? Oh well. On December 30 2013 01:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I actually opted to send Sentinel and Cora in addition to myself. Sentinel keeps saying things I agree with and Cora has also seemed very town since the beginning. I feel most comfortable with this team at present. + Show Spoiler + On December 30 2013 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Well that would be about the most retarded thing ever. 1) The scumteam cannot communicate with each other. 2) The scums on missions have to choose whether they will sabotage or not without consulting their scum partners Because 1 and 2 are both true it is very VERY unlikely that I, as scum knowing who my partners would be, would send the entire team on D1. If you think I'm scum, you pretty much have to assume that at least one of Sent/Cora is town. Interesting picks from VE at first glance. VE already gave his reasoning for why he picked both Cora and Sentinel and not Hopeless and rayn. I can agree with that. But if you want my totally biased complot theory: + Show Spoiler + 1) Look at how VE proposes his team. When I read that I get the feeling that VE puts his foot down on Sentinel being town "All Sentinel posts were exactly what I was thinking" and the reasoning is way more open "Cora looked somewhat townie". VE probably knew Cora was going to get a shitton attention and it might go wrong there. I don't know if both Cora and I were already at each other thoaths there but it is possible. This selection might be some oil on the fire. 2) Look at the spoiler. Sentinel was the guy who in the start said that the first picked spy in case of multiple spies should sabotage, VE knows this and can trust Sentinel to not fuck up. Now, I do not really know why VE would pick a second scummer with him though. VE, Cora and rayn would probably have made the mission. And between those 3 I don't know if VE wouldn't be able to outbest Cora/rayn lategame. And then in between the other two scummers might be able to do magic. So let's put the Sentinel and VE both scummers theory in the fridge for a while, or at least till I read Sentinel is filter again. Therefore this part was also spoilered. On December 31 2013 12:32 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm going to be completely honest here guys. The reason I nay-voted Adam's team was because three people instantly yay'd it and that bothered me so I nay-voted. I hadn't filtered a single one of them when I voted. It was a response to the present votes, period. Discuss. I want to end with this. A big part of my case here was the nayvote from VE. Look what he writes here now. Isn't this strange? The yay voters were Hopeless, Koshi and Sentinel. Hopeless has been a townread for VE the entire game till very recently. (remember that VE had a problem with Adam on the mission team, Adam was null btw) Koshi I can totally understand you had a problem with. Well I don't really really understand it but because everybody has a problem with my early play I guess some stuff was wrong. Maybe everything. Sentinel was a townread from VE the entire game. Stated by VE multiple times. Something just doesn't add up with VE his reads the entire game. I do point at the reason for why he nayvoted, I do point at this, I do point at the following: On December 30 2013 10:29 Adam4167 wrote: VE, you seem to have given your thoughts on everyone else in this game one way or another, yet for me its 'null' early on D1 with a downvote, and apparently I'm not in your theorized scum team. Basically, what I want to know is, what is your current read on me? What are your thoughts on me passing my own team? If your scum team is correct, then why did both Koshi and Chairman Ray vote yay yesterday? Pretty spot on the painful point of VE his play so far. VE reply: On December 30 2013 14:49 VisceraEyes wrote: MAYBE town? Your filter left me hanging yesterday when I looked, but your posting around deadline time was decent enough I guess. But your last question IS a good one. I'm not super sold on Grack scum so it's possible I'm wrong and you're scum. <3 And this is why I am asking the past hours if scum would hard buss each other. Or hard pressure. You get into these situations that get hard to solve and look how VE still says Adam is "maybe town". It would be so idiotic that both me and CR would yay vote the first team, especially how we were looking. If that first team passes without a scum on board it would take ages before Grack, CR or Koshi would get a spot. It would ONLY make sense if Adam, rayn or Hopeless is scum. Now look at he latest messages of VE: Adam still pretty null or even town. VE speaks of Adam was scum. (passed tense, the feeling should be stronger now god damnit!): On December 31 2013 05:13 VisceraEyes wrote: And no, I thought Adam was scum when I nay-voted the team. Or at least, I was explicit in saying Adam was the reason I was nay-voting. On December 31 2013 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: No, because think about it: to him, there was a lot of opposition. And with a final vote, if the team fails, Adam looks the worst right? Adam's posting looked better at the end of the day, THAT is what changed my opinion on him. Him nay-voting could mean anything, whether it's to give us more discussion time (which is what it appears to be) or to follow perceived town sentiment (which is what I guess it would have been if he's scum). There is no way that both me and CR vote yay on that mission if there isn't 1 scum on it. There has to be 1 scum if we are scum. So because VE already knows he will have to keep pressuring Adam if he wants to keep up both CR and me are scum I again point to this: On December 31 2013 12:32 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm going to be completely honest here guys. The reason I nay-voted Adam's team was because three people instantly yay'd it and that bothered me so I nay-voted. I hadn't filtered a single one of them when I voted. It was a response to the present votes, period. Discuss. ^ VE tries to get out of the sticky situation and "admits" he wasn't reading the game and him nayvoting wasn't because Adam is scum, it was because the yayvotes. But I explained already why the yayvotes from both Hopeless and Sentinel should NOT have caused the rushed nay-vote. This is it for now. Making cases is hard work. | ||
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Tell me again why you nayvoted. Your latest story is because of the 3 yayvotes. But those 3 included Sentinel and Hopeless. Big townreads of yourself, at least back then. Also explain the 2 lines reasoning you added while nayvoting. Was that total bullshit then? | ||
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Why I think Hopeless is pretty certain town is that he is putting his neck out to call me town which is only useful as scum to gain my vote of confidence because I am actually town. But if he at the same time is making enemies with you that isn't really helping his status forward. Which this game actually comes down to, you want to be looked as town by as many people as possible. Also somewhere I find his play making sense the entire way through. I don't get scumvibes at all from rayn atm. I have read his entire filter twice now and it just looks clean. The way he unvoted didn't make any sense to me as scum. VE just downvoted the team because Adam was in it, there is no reason for scumRayn to downvote the team as well if he is the scummer and Adam isn't. I also don't see a world in which both Adam and rayn are scum. There is 1 hard defense from rayn for Adam but I think that was legitimately a really good post by Adam. I kinda got Adam as scum right now just because he downvoted his own team for strange reasons. I got 1 scummer in the first team because VE downvoted the team at that point in the game (when everything pointed towards the first team going through) but without any real attempt to stop the team from going through. This is not based on my scumread of Adam, it could be either Adam/rayn/Hopeless that is the scummer. Last one is up for grabs. I think it is Sentinel but I might be wrong. I don't think so but that's how I am. So for me anybody from this pool: Koshi, rayn, Cora, Hopeless, Grack is allowed to go on the mission. Like I said before there is no real pressure on my team because after me we got Grack and even that is not all or nothing because we all got Hopeless as town after that. CR is a townread (or should I say null) for me because he is actually spilling good information into this thread. It might be totally unrelevant to this game but I find it useful. But I would never send him on Mission 1 simply because he hasn't given us anything about another player in this game. Don't think he even touched somebody. CR did promise us the everything and then some on Day 2 though, there he can go to town or scum for me. A quite permanent read that will be. There are 0 excuses for CR on Day 2. But I got VE and Adam as scum like I said. And then CR can be 3rd scum who's gameplan was to just wait out and seemingly auto-yay all teams on Day 1. Then crank it up and play deceptive on day 2 who is in his eyes the most important day for scum anyway. We all know CR is quite the impressive scumplayer from Thug Life Mafia in which nobody got him as scum till he decided to quite impressively "fakeclaim" scum. | ||
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First of all from rayn his filter it is quite obvious rayn finds day 1 very important. That's really obvious from his filter. So you got either scumrayn that nayvotes first mission because he is playing the longest con in the entire universe. It is also rayn so if he is scum and both Adam and Hopeless aren't then I am very sure scumrayn would LOVE to go head to head with these 2 in a battle who is the towniest fucker and who is the spy out of the 3. Pretty sure he would also win it and in the meantime protect his 2 scummates from getting a lot of flack. Would be classic scumrayn. (in my eyes) Or you got townrayn that is so overprotective of that first mission that he nayvotes the team solely out of fear that Adam is scum. Because rayn has Hopeless as pretty much confirmed town. So if townrayn says yay and the mission fails he got a 90% scumread on Adam and rayn does not want to make that gambit because day 1 is so important. That's the only 2 ways I see atm and I think townrayn is way more likely than scumrayn here. Even though I completely disagree with that nayvote somewhere. On the other hand, if Adam is scum and we are able to send in a rayn/Hopeless/3rd townie in now then it was a pretty sexy play. Especially because like I said, scumVE counted on the fact that rayn would yayvote it :D. | ||
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On January 01 2014 03:58 Corazon wrote: Do you think his accusations of me are him trying to figure out if I'm scum or just him throwing shit on me? In my opinion, he's been throwing shit at me all game and he tries to count that as scumhunting when it isn't. I will say No to any team with Hopeless on it. Hmm. Why would scumHopeless do that though? Wouldn't it be easier to go with the tide and fling shit on me with all of you and then be friends with you? A lot of the "shitflinging" Hopeless does towards you is to protect me or defend me or w.e, which is just strange play in this set-up. Why would Hopeless defend me? Because he gets a townie on his side. Why would Hopeless fling shit at you at the same time then? That's counterproductive. Put neck out to gain 1 townie trust, but at the same time lose 1 townie trust. And my trust is worth way less than your trust at this point in the game. Doesn't make sense. | ||
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On January 01 2014 04:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: How in god's name is this town behavior? Irrelevant discussion only serves to obstruct actual, useful, town-beneficial discussion from taking place. He also hasn't said anything, and it's not just being busy because he ninja voted without saying a word in the thread. He is far and away the scummiest player in this game right now. First of all. I am not saying CR is town and I am not considering him to take him on a Mission. I am pretty sure nobody considers to take CR on a mission. It doesn't make any sense to play like this as scum. CR is the opposite of rayn concerning Mission 1. One guy thinks mission 1 is Holy and the other guy cba with Mission 1. Clearly CR is confident that he is going to break the game on Day 2 and further without having to go on Missions. That's way more likely to come from town than from scum imo. It is also quite obvious that CR is presenting himself as a Resistance specialist, dangerous to do as a scummer that wants to play the long game. Way easier as a specialist playing with noobs is to simply showcase your skill and go on Mission 1. CR is capable to make big ass posts that look super intelligent. Look Thug Life Mafia. Why wouldn't he make those and at least hint he wants to go on a Mission. CR couldn't care less about Mission 1. It's obvious. TownCR mindset: I don't give 2 fucks about mission 1 or painting anybody red Day 1. If it succeeds great going and I have the skillset to figure out who needs to go Day 2 and/or if Mission 1 was tainted. If it doesn't succeed I will use my skillset Day 2 to figure out the game and steer town to the right direction for mission 2 which I think is the most important. Day 2 I will shine. ScumCR mindset: I don't give 2 fucks about mission 1 or painting anybody red Day 1. If it succeeds with 3 towns on it I am going to have to try my hardest to get a scummer on Mission 2. Close to mission impossible but damn I will have to try it and show face if it might fail. If it succeeds with 1 scummer on it I can still backseat and try my best on Day 2 to get that scummer on the team again and then he will have to fail it Day 2. If my scumteammate decides to sabotage the mission I will make sure I am the scummer that goes onto one or more of the missions 2 to 5. Or at least paint the wrong guy red. Like clearly CR doesn't care who goes on Mission 1. As scum there is 1 big risk and that is that 3 townies go on Mission 1. It doesn't look like CR is trying to do anything to prevent this big risk. It's not like CR has any ground to stand on and nayvote. He simply will have to keep saying yay and wait till Day 2. I don't know. I said CR is null. But I got him leaning town for these reasons. It's just too ballsy scumplay. You guys are all saying I am scum btw. Now add this ballsy scumplay from CR on top of that. Jeez. | ||
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On January 01 2014 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi do you want ot 100% send yourself? No. Like I said. Sending myself would make my scumhunting easier because if it fails I know I only got to look at 2 people. On the other hand when it fails I understand that due to my earlier play it might be too hard (even for me) to prove my towniness later on or at least make it look townier than others for Mission 4 & 5. I don't think I want to take that risk. However, I feel good on my rayn/Hopeless reads so the chance that sabotage will happen is low enough to warrant that risk. | ||
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then a Cora/rayn/Hopeless party looks pretty cool. I think it is better than me in case one rayn/Hopeless is scum. better for me at least. Grack townish but didn't do enough to also take on a Mission tbh. The things I like are his early town read for Hopeless and his posts concerning the first team. Like saying he would nayvote regardless the first team was and saying that the team already passed while a couple people still had to vote. Kinda makes him look like he is in the dark. | ||
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On January 01 2014 05:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Cora and Hopeless on one team? If that team fails this thread will explode. Possibly. In my eyes lowest chance of failing team that goes through without me on it. | ||
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On January 01 2014 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi you should listen to Snetinel's piano song when scumhunting. I tried it in Titanic II and found many scum.  Shouldn't have shot them then :D Already listened to it. Quite good. Been a while. I shall try it next time :D. Kinda done for today. | ||
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The biggest problems I have: 1) The nayvote as 4th vote with what he now calls a bullshit reason, who does that as town? I refer to big case to why he does it as scum (it comes down to bussing = bad). Here are the posts in VE filter around that:+ Show Spoiler + On December 29 2013 00:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Well if the guy who picked the team isn't confident, why should I be? I don't even have to read to nay-vote the team. XD I'm reading anyway, you rascals. On December 29 2013 02:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Adam's reasoning is pretty generic for his picks, which isn't bad per se, but he himself is kinda a null read for me and I'd feel comfortable with someone like myself or Corazon on the team. Maybe a little Sentinel. But mostly just less Adam. ##Vote: Nay On December 31 2013 05:13 VisceraEyes wrote: And no, I thought Adam was scum when I nay-voted the team. Or at least, I was explicit in saying Adam was the reason I was nay-voting. On December 31 2013 12:32 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm going to be completely honest here guys. The reason I nay-voted Adam's team was because three people instantly yay'd it and that bothered me so I nay-voted. I hadn't filtered a single one of them when I voted. It was a response to the present votes, period. Discuss. On December 31 2013 12:34 VisceraEyes wrote: When I posted later, I had filtered them and posted my thoughts, but at the time of my vote, I had no idea what alignment I thought any of the candidates were, aside from maybe having Adam as leaning town for thinking I'm scum for bad reasons. He says he purely nayvoted based on the 3 yayvotes and didn't read any filters. HOWEVER, while he nayvoted he gave pretty accurate reasons to why he nayvoted ADAM. And then the last post in the spoiler is saying that when he actually did read Adam he had a townie read on Adam. That's a pretty serious contradiction right? | ||
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It's that there is no depth reasoning coming from VE this game. 1) Like he says 5 people are town, 1 scum but doesn't say anything about last 3. Keeps these reads for a couple days. Later when pointed out that last 3 are probably not scum together (something he should already have realized somewhere in these couples of days), he replies with "oh you are right, maybe you are the scummer <3" | ||
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On January 01 2014 07:49 Corazon wrote: Why would he point out his own contradictions? Both his reasons for downvoting Adam's team (he didn't like Adam/he was concerned by the lack of opposition) were decent reasons on their own, the only problem is that he changed his story halfway through. I don't see scum play in his open and honest posts. Well, rayn was somewhat commenting on it and scum VE can't be pushed into a corner where he has to commit to a read on his scumbuddy Adam (or it is Hopeless/rayn). VE is not committing to any reads btw. What is the best he gave us? Like a really well thought reason anybody is scum / town. Maybe he has done 1 or so but not that many. The nay-vote as 4th vote was fucking strange. It's not like he was really trying to prevent the team from happening as well. And his latest claim is that even though there was still enough time VE didn't even read the damn filters.... Which is a lie because he did read Adam filter because he commented in his nayvote. Which he then contradicted doing so because he said that when he actually read Adam filter he had a TOWNread on Adam for saying VE is scum for bad reasons. | ||
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On January 01 2014 09:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I will vote yay on this team as I said before. Oh true. I was thinking it was the one with Cora. Cora, What is your problem with Hopeless exactly? Because as far as I remember it just started when he defended me and called you scum. | ||
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Hopeless and rayn. Honest opinion? Couple lines = thx. I am asking this in the offchance you are town. Because this team is going to make it. Like probably. | ||
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On December 29 2013 11:39 Hopeless1der wrote: I disagree. rayn, assuming he's town, is going to be able to push his team like no ones business at a time when the pressure is on for both parties. I'd like to believe rayn can build a solid team when he gets his turn. Guys we should totes approve every team that gets put up so those last guys dont get to be leader huehue. If you read LXIII you see that scum Hopeless doesn't do this shit at all. Not even close to. Not even a little bit close to it. I don't even understand why we didn't lynch him LXIII. I think everybody actually forgot he was in the game or something. Like in Hogwarts he was also very involved in the game. Marv voted him for a second and he went into a little argument with him, up and personal just like here with Cora. In LXIII Hopeless just stated into the thread towards everybody something like "jeez how do you dare to vote me while I have showed more effort than the 72 hours before this" while he made his 8th oneliner in 72 hours as opposed to the 5 oneliners before that. It's like day and night. | ||
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On January 02 2014 10:19 Coagulation wrote: looking over filters and chairman ray stands out as a pretty experienced player with very little thread presence. I would throw cora as my #1 scum read just because hes clearly more concerned about nonsense than he is about figuring out the game and thats a pretty big red flag. I would put my money on one of them being scum. Why one? The reasons they are scum are not related. You mean that they are both 50/50 town/scum? Also, this team better not fails. rayn, Hopeless in case you are scummer consider not sending a PM to the hosts. Also, Koshi totes in the first team. Feels like getting inventor role in PYP. | ||
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Pretty happy with this team. If it fails then thread knows that one of us is tainted and I think except for Cora nobody is really critical of either Hopeless or rayn. That will change a bit, which is good. Better would be the team not failing AND everyobdy being town on it. That would be pretty awesome. There is always a chance that peepz are scummers, but like I said before, I feel like Hopeless and rayn are townies. Don't know what to do in the next 48 hours. | ||
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On January 02 2014 19:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: We'll talk more about this after the results. What do you think about the votes? Problem is that if you nayvote you will have to give an explanation why somebody on the team is scum. Which as scum is going against thread sentiment, hard work and you might make a townie enemy. The lack of nayvotes is not indicative. | ||
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On January 02 2014 22:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Koshi's right in this case. Even before the voting we had a list of five people who would support the team. Wouldn't make sense to go against a majority. A lot will be cleared when the mission succeeds / fails. The thing that scummers could/should have done (wanted to see if rayn would figure it out because it is strange he didn't) is to suggest a team without attracting too much attention. I reread the pages and I see: Cora pretty heavily suggesting a team that includes VE/rayn/himself. Cora heavily advocating against Hopeless and maybe a little against Sentinel. VE agreeing to a team that includes Cora/Hopeless/rayn. Putting discussion on Sentinel without saying Sentinel is scum/town, just dropping Sentinel his name in. Koshi going for anybody in this pool: rayn/Hopeless/Grack/Cora/himself. Wont be sending VE/Adam/Sentinel/Grack rayn agreeing with: Koshi/Hopeless/himself. Advocating against Adam & Grack. Sentinel agreeing with Koshi/Hopeless/rayn. Advocating against VE & CR. Maybe trying to push Cora in the team? Hopeless going with rayn/cora/hopeless but also saying Cora is scum. Grack said to trust him and take him on a mission. Adam, CR said completely nothing. | ||
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On January 02 2014 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Elaborate on this please. I have no idea what you mean by this. I have to make a team. Unless scum knows I am going to make a team with a scummer in it, scum will have to try and put an idea in the thread that I will be forced to consider/send on the mission. They can't go too obvious about it. Therefore, if the mission succeeds we can look at the points I just summed up and we can put scummy points next to the names that did that. That's the only thing scum can do. But obviously when Hopeless/rayn is scum this isn't needed because it was fast pretty clear that they were going for sure. | ||
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On January 03 2014 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi. This post: Who are the 5 people who will pass the mission and why at this point? CR, Sentinel and we 3? | ||
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I still think VE is scum though, I just made the mistake thinking it was Coag that was scum D1. Maybe it is a bit less sure now with the nayvote from Hopeless D2 but meh. I also don't think it is as easy as Grack/Coag/Hopeless scumteam. I am still pondering if Cora isn't being too sure about Hopeless being scum. Also this: + Show Spoiler + On January 01 2014 04:12 Koshi wrote: Hmm. Why would scumHopeless do that though? Wouldn't it be easier to go with the tide and fling shit on me with all of you and then be friends with you? A lot of the "shitflinging" Hopeless does towards you is to protect me or defend me or w.e, which is just strange play in this set-up. Why would Hopeless defend me? Because he gets a townie on his side. Why would Hopeless fling shit at you at the same time then? That's counterproductive. Put neck out to gain 1 townie trust, but at the same time lose 1 townie trust. And my trust is worth way less than your trust at this point in the game. Doesn't make sense. On January 01 2014 04:15 Koshi wrote: Like it would make some sense if both of you are scum and then Hopeless gains trust from a townie while he is sure that both you will make up later but that is so very unlikely, I don't think we would be having this conversation if that was the case. also still pretty meh about the "scumslip". Also don't really understand why Cora went from Koshi scum --> Koshi town/Hopeless scum. Even though I contributed while picking. Game is hard. | ||
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On January 03 2014 22:38 Hopeless1der wrote: Bussing me is an almost guaranteed win for rayn, he looks so town. Good thing you're a spy Koshi <3 I got you as spy for the rest of the game. If you aren't , the good news is, rayn as spy at least deserves the win. <3 | ||
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On January 03 2014 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi: 1) What do you think of my case on Adam/Coag? 2) If there was a team suggested that consists of VE's earlier team + rayn, what would you vote? If "nay", why? 1) I had Adam as scum yesterday because how he downvoted his own team. But now I am not sure anymore. Your case is correct but I think we need to put some thought into the fact that eventually Adam made the right call to Nay the team because 1 of Hopeless/rayn is scum, I don't know if Adam did it because he is also scum or that he had the correct gutread. However, I think that if Adam is scum with either Hopeless/rayn he would yay the team. There are still a lot of plays you can do when you bring 2 scummers. 1 could play weak and the other could get towncred because there is a confirmed scummer on the trip. Or you could not sabotage the mission and you suddenly got 2 scummers with a lot of towncred for mission 2/3. I am not really convinced by Adam scum atm but I wouldn't take him on next mission. Hopeless I got as 100% scum atm. Last team he suggested he "tries" to nail the 4 town that were left out of Mission 1. While he is screaming he got me pinned as scum. silly guy. 2) 2 scum left besides Hopeless is quite annoying. We need to select 4 townies which means that out the remaining 5 there are 2 townies and 3 scummers left. Kinda insane that you need to do that while it is the basic of mafia that mafia is with less because they can work together to influence the thread. The first stage of the game is so important and that is kind of strange because early stage is favorable for scum. Many words to say that I don't know. There are 0 reasons for me to believe VE is town. While there are 2 at least to think he is scum. 1) His lies around his nayvote. 2) Not being an influence in this game at all. Cora? I don't know. It was obvious I was going to take Hopeless. If I wasn't so obvious I would say Cora town and a good bet to take. But now? It's all a bit strange. I explained it in a previous post. But Cora/VE/Hopeless? Then I am stuck with 5 other names that I am not really sure about. rayn town. Grack town. CR town. Sentinel town. Coag joker? If I put myself out of the picture I am left with 5 townies and 3 scummers and I need to find 4 townies out of that. I I would use random.org I would have 5/8*4/7*3/6 = 18% chance to be right (if my math is correct). Knowing that I am mostly way more wrong than randomming I am pretty fucking sad atm. tldr: mafia depression inc. | ||
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On January 04 2014 00:22 VisceraEyes wrote: I like hopeless for scum. Also I feel like this is a scumslip. It reads like Hopeless KNOWS there's only a single scum on the first mission, which is information a townie wouldn't have. Well. If rayn and Hopeless are scum together that is a pretty fucking genious line by Hopeless. Nice catch VE. Nice catch. | ||
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On January 04 2014 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ughhh.. I really don't like this post by Koshi: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439135¤tpage=33#649 I really really don't. Still waiting for Grack to come back. Agreed. But couldn't be bothered to clean it up. | ||
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Anyway. I went nay. Somewhere I want to yay to get it over with but we will see. | ||
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On January 05 2014 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Coagulation your vote did not count for some reason. Are you still going to vote yay on the team and could you elaborate on your reasoning behind your vote? Koshi why did you say you'll yay-vote and then do the opposite? There is nothing in your filter between saying you'll yay and your vote that suggest you change your mine. Shenanigans wanted to see what would happen if people thought I would yay-vote. Nothing did as far as I can tell, except 2 people that wanted to see the yay vote on paper. | ||
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On January 05 2014 06:36 Hopeless1der wrote: yeah, because declaring your intentions and then not following through is really scummy. Please explain scummotivation behind saying to yayvote and then don't do it. | ||
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On January 05 2014 07:09 Corazon wrote: Koshi, you were doing so well. Are you ever going to care about this game when you are not picking the team? meh, kinda fucked up atm. I don't really have much to do atm. I could fight to "prove" I am town but with Hopeless being as he is I think game might be over. Or maybe not and then I hope the light will be seen on Mission 5. | ||
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Ignore like said starts now. You can keep yelling I am scum but the more you do it the less I will do. | ||
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On January 05 2014 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote: Koshi its mission 2. Why would the game need to go to mission 5 if the game is over? shouldnt that be mission 4 since each side only needs 3 wins to end the game? Why dont you know these things? The only way I can see us win the game, is that these 4 are town and get send on mission 2 & 3. With VE/Cora/rayn/Grack all being town I can just afk to victory knowing they will find the 1 townie out the remaining 4. Or they pick me on mission 4 or 5. But I guess Sentinel will be on Mission 4 and then Koshi/Hopeless/CR on mission 5? There really isn't much to do for me tbh. | ||
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endgame cred. rayn/VE/Cora | ||
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I hope you are right about rayn. But yeah after this mission we will have to pick all town from then on and I guess that we need rayn to be town even though this Hopeless guy is hyper active. | ||
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On January 06 2014 08:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I really fucked this one up. 2 scummers from Coag/Hopeless/CR 1 scummer from the team (Grack?) I'm thinking rayn/koshi/cora/VE Really? really? | ||
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That's what I am thinking since a VERY long time. | ||
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On January 06 2014 08:56 Corazon wrote: I haven't seen any scummy posts from VE. I just get a townie vibe from him. He looks like he is trying to solve the game and never has bouts of inactivity or lack of effort like a lot of other players here. dafuq??? He has 10 oneliners in the last 6 days??? Maybe 11. | ||
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That's completely untrue. Like blatantly untrue. You can check it by clicking on people their filter. Look at VE filter in the past 5 days. From 01/01/2014 till now and find me a post like the 2 big ones CR made. This has nothing to do with CR btw, I asked you why VE is town and you give him townie points for contribution while VE hasn't tried to solve jack shit. | ||
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On January 06 2014 09:09 Corazon wrote: At least I'm not confirmation biased... You just said something that was completely untrue and used it to confirm your town VE read. | ||
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Starting under this line. ______________________________________________ | ||
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rayn/Y/Z but I can't be bothered to find those. Also I cant. | ||
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On January 07 2014 11:17 Corazon wrote: At least I can keep my reads straight. And care about the game. My reads have been quite straight. rayn, CR and Grack haven't been called scum by me too many times. I have swapped around the other 5 a lot though. Writing this down I hope those 3 are not the 3 scummers. | ||
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Cora or Grack? Hmmm filter times. | ||
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I am cool with the rest. Coag is meh but I can't send this Grack. | ||
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On January 08 2014 00:28 VisceraEyes wrote: So Koshi, what do you think about Hopeless/Sentinel/Grack scumteam? Could you put your chickens in that basket? I just gave you 4 names that I will not yayvote for the rest of the game. Those 3 were in there. All the information is now sealed for me. I don't care what scummers do for the last 3 missions. Those 4 names. | ||
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Glad you agree that it is better. I think it wont change anymore. | ||
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On January 08 2014 05:53 Hopeless1der wrote: koshi why'd you ask about my scum activity. Do you think this game is some type of anomaly because its not actually mafia or something? If rayn is scum this is lost because nobody cares. | ||
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It's like Cora/rayn/CR? | ||
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Deserving winners. | ||
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On January 08 2014 05:18 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I was willing to send him I meant earlier: On January 01 2014 09:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Not sure about my old scumteam since I like koshi's points to clear him for now, although I still think CR is scum. I got a feeling it's CR, VE and... really don't know what to think of the fight between Hopeless and Cora. Could just be two misguided townies. Which makes it interesting you yay-voted the one with VE couple days later. This post also makes it so perfect if Sentinel/Cora/Hopeless are scum. But it is rarely so easy. Things I remember from you this game: 1) All yayvotes. 2) Talking 3 times about the scumslip while everybody else ignored it. 3) Strange stance on CR. 4) Pushed Grack scum right after team passed. They are all scummy things. | ||
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I see 1 out of 4 is on the list this time around. nay | ||
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They are all scummy things except number 2.* | ||
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Corazon - Hopeless Corazon downvoted the first mission where Hopeless was in it, making the vote 5-3. Makes sense if Corazon is town if it Hopeless/Corazon/Coag is the spy team. Corazon downvoted the second mission where it was Koshi/Hopeless/Rayn. Corazon was bussing Hopeless at this point so he has to anyways. I don't understand this part. | ||
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Then I would add VE as townie on how Cora defended him. Grack we bench. | ||
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On January 10 2014 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: 4th mission is irrelevant. Waiting for the rest of the game to do something. 3rd mission atm. But yeah 4th will be silly if it comes. | ||
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It is difficult to pick 2 towns out of Coag/Cora/VE/Grack but I am sticking to VE/Coag. ezlife. ezgame. | ||
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Hopeless cuz not rayn. Cora cuz whiny whine whiner about everybody their activity while doing not so much himself. Sentinel cuz 2 votes. Grack cuz framing post on Cora/VE in his fake nightpost. #ezlife. | ||
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People that have said these 3-4 people are scum: town People who keep rambling about 1 person, or nothingness: scum | ||
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On January 10 2014 23:57 Grackaroni wrote: Some people are going to be really disappointed at the end of this. Nha I am already in 0 care mode and I would be more disappointing seeing a Cora/VE/Sentinel than a rayn/CR/Cora team. I would be majorly surprised when my 4 contain the 3 scummers. There is really 0 reasons why I would be right in this game without flips and without vote analysis in which we send 1 or more scummers D1. therefore, 0 care. | ||
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My filter is pretty big. | ||
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that was just an example. Cora/VE/Hopeless then | ||
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On January 11 2014 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fucking shit. I mean why Koshi 0 care? Game is impossible to win. | ||
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We all roll dices and hope they fall correct. It's 6 vs 3. Voting analysis is fucking silly because it is so easy for scum to see what will happen and vote accordingly. No flips ever. No blue powers or something like that. This is comparable to a 6 vs 3 mini without flips, blue roles or NK. Just lynches in the darkness. Which town just doesn't win unless lucky. Extremely lucky. I guess this is for endgame but the math behind this makes it very unlikely town wins this unless everybody is a super duper pro player, otherwise you need extreme luck to win as town. | ||
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In this game to win you need to have 3 players that roll town AND that are better at looking town then 1 player who rolled scum. If there is a player that rolled scum that is really good at looking town the game is played. That's how I see it. | ||
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How to play scum: -Either look like the towniest town that towned day 1 by trying to push "townagenda" and make friends by looking you want the best for town. Or just be more in shadow and missdirect town and the thread like in normal mafia. -Predict how people will vote (it's obvious) and vote accordingly. There aren't much swingvotes and it should be easy to not look bad. Looking good isn't even needed most of the time. By following above 2 rules you corrupted the dice. Now sit back and see them being rolled in your favor. | ||
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Scummers on my list don't. Thats why I am on 0 care because I will stick to list even if it doesnt make sense. | ||
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On January 10 2014 23:20 Koshi wrote: So I had to consider you as scum to win. Let it be known I gave you the option to look at rayn/CR after Mission 1 but you didn't Hopeless. You fucking didn't. | ||
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As scum I am totally posting how this game is impossible to win and putting focus on me because it isn't 100% obvious I will go on the next mission and you won't. rofl rofl rofl. Fuck it. Stick to my list which is a glorified "deserve to win" list. rayn deserves it and I hope he isn't town and a random scum in VE/CR/Coag fucks it over and Hopeless doesn't at fucking all in case he is town and thus rayn scum. It's so fucking impossible that Hopeless is being such an oblivious fuck as scum though. And the activity. FUCK IT. My list stands. Still 0 care. Now without posting. Nobody else cares anyway. Except we 3 and at least 1 is scum. Grtz on activity this game. | ||
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But now I named 7 people that might be scum and I can't go wrong. | ||
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On January 05 2014 05:55 Hopeless1der wrote: No koshi. You lied. You are scum, THAT is plain and simple. I like CR his explanation better because that is actually the truth. While what Hopeless is saying here is just fucking dumb if he is scum and he knows I am town. He is just pissing me off. Which can't help his cause. Unless he thinks he doesn't need me and is trying to play rayn like this. But really? This is the best way he can do it? Mehh. | ||
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Scum is in my list. | ||
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Somewhere I felt rayn was scum, somewhere I knew Cora was scum, 0 clues about Coag. But really. Meh. Couldn't push it. Never. Like I said, I had to "pretend" that Hopeless was scum or rayn would just buddy up with Hopeless I think. Don't know but that's how I felt after Mission 1 and Hopeless constantly going after me. gg lads. Great hosting. Maybe a bit lackluster game on towns part, I had a bad day 1 because I didn't know wtf to do. But resistance is not my game. Good thing it is not mafia and I don't have to put it on my profile. #Vanity | ||
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On January 11 2014 10:17 Corazon wrote: I think the question should arise of this game being suitable for these forums. Recently, we've had a lot of people who just sheep the strongest voices in the town. It makes it even harder to scumhunt without flips. I feel like we won this game because people just said "Ok, Rayn is town. We will listen to him". Rayn got picked to every single team without even having to make one himself. I think this game is not very suitable for these forums, at least when there is only 1 strong veteran player in the game (I'm not saying anyone is bad, but Rayn is really really good). ^ /agree | ||
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On January 11 2014 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote: I thought I knew how to read scumrayn but evidently I was wrong. I initially had koshi as town but knowing it had to be at least one of them screwed me pretty hard this game. I tried to connect to you. But everytime I did you went straight to rayn and cuddled up to him. meh D: | ||
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