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lynch hopeless hey does anyone know how to beat the boss from world 4-1 in demon souls? Do you just run down the stairs? I use a melee character and always die before I reach the bottom | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote: BH I can totally read kush. Also you hosted extractor trick. Wtf? Thrawn I thought we were cool bro what gives?why you gotta lynch me? if I told you then you'd stop doing it | ||
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On January 11 2014 10:18 Xatalos wrote: Is it a reasonable strategy to fakeclaim Miller? I've never heard of that being done, but is it within the realms of possibility? nope never happens | ||
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I like some of the things you said however I am worried that if town, such aggressive mayor tactics might lead to you going power-crazed and taking the hammer threats too far. How can you assure me this will not be the case? | ||
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On January 11 2014 16:22 WaveofShadow wrote: theoretically confirmed town don't think those words go together, so no. | ||
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On January 11 2014 10:48 yamato77 wrote: Also, I'm the best candidate for mayor. no longer interested? | ||
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On January 11 2014 18:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:I typically go many hours without reading the thread and completely forget what I said. I forgot I was even that aggressive with BH in the first place. lol.. sounds like someone we know, doesn't it rayn? | ||
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On January 11 2014 18:48 kushm4sta wrote: page 17.. already skipping over gumshoe's posts because he's obv town. Any disagreement? are you scum after all? | ||
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what do you make of bh? | ||
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On January 11 2014 18:51 kushm4sta wrote: no im not. do you agree that is he obvious town? nope. I just don't know why you'd care to bring it up. | ||
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that has nothing to do with yamato, he is still in my top 3 picks probably at least #2 | ||
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what if the thread gains consciousness? what do we do then? | ||
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On January 11 2014 19:40 Mocsta wrote: Its nothing i can explain in words just the inflections I hear in his voice. what about the rustling | ||
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On January 12 2014 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos had a PM convo he quoted in thread with DrH last night (fin time). In the morning i ask DrH what he thinks about Xatalos. His answer is literally "i don't even know who Xatalos is lol". Xatalos - when he comes back to the thread - does not call DrH out for it. What the fuck are those guys doing in PM's? Why don't people pay attention? Xatalos seems to be paying attention and appears pro-active, yet he doesn't notice that kinda stuff. DrH forgets half of his PM-mates, what's the purpose of PMing if you don't even remember who you have PM'd a couple of hours later? Seems like there is no purpose and they are just throwing PM's around to look active. On January 12 2014 04:04 Xatalos wrote: What's this about? We've exchanged several PM's already. You pretty much avoided answering anything though...... You refused to talk about your reads or your policy. And now you just forgot? How is that even possible? I think you're wrong rayn. do you have any other reasons to think xata is scum | ||
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On January 12 2014 02:30 Koshi wrote: Meh. Kush is cool this game. Trawn/Mocsta are the ones playing to be an annoyance. I do not know why. this too koshi. i can understand mocsta being there. don't really understand my name being there and i'm curious if you thought being annoying was alignment indicative for either of us | ||
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On January 12 2014 09:59 marvellosity wrote: that wasn't even emotional blab yamato, i'd be fine with a mafia player posting any of that what was your read on it? | ||
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On January 12 2014 10:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: you also said you'd be fine with a xatalos lynch so do you think: xatalos rayn marv alakaslam are all scum? I'd say all town but dunno about xata. I just realized that i've posted almost no reads naughty list xata koshi derrida nice list rayn yamato kush/vayne alakaslam DrH gumshoe blazinghand WoS | ||
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On January 12 2014 12:47 justanothertownie wrote: The bolded is obviously true but it is of secondary importance to me right now. If someone who looked townie accused me I probably would have reacted that way. But it was you who did next to nothing himself and to me it looks really suspicious that my lack of public reads is the scummiest thing you found in this game. what in your opinion is the scummiest thing in the game? | ||
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please raise your hand if you have been in contact with suchdoge, and specify which of you initiated the conversation. special points go to anyone that can tell me anything about his reads. if he has revealed his identity i'd like to hear it, you should pm me or wos or rayn if he's revealed it to you | ||
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On January 13 2014 06:02 suchdoge wrote: Derrida was replaced by Oats. Read the damn thread. OH WOW YOU"VE CHANGED MY MIND SUDDENLY I FORGOT WHY DERRIDA IS SCUM ........ | ||
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On January 13 2014 06:07 suchdoge wrote: Don't be ridiculous, if he was lacking time then you can explain the way he appeared in thread with that. It's better to give the replacement at least a cycle to catch up. Xatalos is scummier and a better lynch even if Derrida was still here. Go read his exchange with marv around page 62 or whatever where he claims he was talking lots in PMs since he woke up or whatever. The guy is clearly trying to inflate his actual impact on the game. No townie does that, especially not with such a poor explanation that is provably false and misleading after some pressure. he's only lacking time now. he was not lacking time for the majority of the time he didn't spend posting. and what marv said is true he was obviously scum before he even posted | ||
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On January 13 2014 06:08 Captain Obvious wrote: Don't you think you should wait to see what his replacement does? no absolutely not | ||
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but i still prefere derrida | ||
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On January 13 2014 08:15 Aquanim wrote: Well when I PM'd him (it's pasted in the thread somewhere) VE said he was suspicious of you (Marv) and Mocsta, but he'd had difficulty convincing anyone else. When I asked him for his reasons, he stone-walled me. Can anybody else report that VE actually mentioned these reads on Mocsta or Marv to them, and that he actually tried to convince them? yeah he mentioned marv to me last night. he wasn't pushing the read very hard though, just kinda saying stuff that couldn't be refuted yet isn't very important | ||
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Original Message From VisceraEyes: I'm townie as fuck in not PMs, and even townier in PMs. And yes, there is at least one name on that list that I disagree is probably town. Maybe two. we also had maybe a 15-20 min convo in irc about marv, but it wasn't terribly interesting and I don't have the logs | ||
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On January 13 2014 08:44 marvellosity wrote: [09:59] <VisceraEyes> He's not engaging me at all - trying to figure out my alignment, get my opinion on things, get reads from me, anything. It's all take and no give with that guy, and that's not been my experience with town marv I do not have the logs but iirc this is 100% the exact same thing he told me, down to the word. Obviously not a huge deal but odd | ||
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On January 13 2014 08:47 marvellosity wrote: But he's lying about stuff, and he keeps shutting down private conversations - with both rayn and VE. same for me On January 13 2014 08:39 thrawn2112 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Original Message From VisceraEyes: I'm townie as fuck in not PMs, and even townier in PMs. And yes, there is at least one name on that list that I disagree is probably town. Maybe two. obviously I could have asked him to elaborate after the last PM, but I shouldn't need to | ||
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On January 13 2014 09:34 LSB Banking wrote: yes there are... but I don't know if I can fix that without having to copy&past every single clicky do you have any reads based off of anything that's been posted since you made your first post? | ||
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On January 13 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Some VE logs. Have fucking fun. Can give you thrawn and yamato if you want too. are those the only people you've talked to in PM's? Me, ve, and yamato? | ||
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be nice to him or he will probably act scummy out of spite | ||
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evidence is everything in the logs and VE's mayor vote | ||
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On January 13 2014 15:12 Mocsta wrote: Damn.. I was considering shooting thrawn. honestly i will feel left out if you dont | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [thread] + On January 12 2014 11:16 Aquanim wrote: Yeah, OK. Reasons to think he's scum: list post, but that's a heuristic in which I have only limited confidence bases his mayoral preferences first on "enjoying reading their filter because it is srs" and second his read on them Reasons to think he's town: I got nuffin, but I do have... Reasons I'm not certain yet: he has like 2 posts and being a newbie his thinking about "is this relevant to whether they should be mayor or not" probably isn't expected to be entirely accurate whatever his alignment tl;dr I'm not certain he's scum but he's a reasonable guess P.S. will go meta him now re. Marv's statement On January 12 2014 11:35 Aquanim wrote: All I see in justanothertownie's two-page filter is kinda pointless oneliners in which he commits to almost nothing. For all I know he's doing work in PMs, but based on his thread presence so far he's another possible scum for me. On January 12 2014 19:36 Aquanim wrote: JAT had clearly been present for a fair bit of the game but hadn't done anything which seemed like he was even interested in looking for scum. If PM evidence is presented which shows he was looking for scum in that way I will reconsider my read. If ya'll reckon that JAT not looking for scum is his standard town meta I will (disgustedly) move him to null. --note-- i don't believe aqua has followed up on this read at all On January 12 2014 21:34 Aquanim wrote: It would be an easy playstyle to replicate if he's scum. At worst, if he's town I have hopefully communicated to him that he should have reads and make them public to convince us all of his alignment. If he does that I am quite willing to be persuaded that I am incorrect in my present read, if that is in fact the case. + Show Spoiler [PMs] + "As for WoS, my read is like I said - gut says town, can't find any actual reads he's made so I'm having difficulty substantiating it, and I don't know him well enough to guess whether this raging is characteristic of his town or scum game. I've PMd him to see if he actually has reads he was too mad to post or not - starting with exactly why he thinks VE is town." "Also, about Gumshoe: putting himself forward as a mayoral candidate put him in the spotlight some so it'd be a ballsy scum move but he's done absolutely nothing since. The following post is a pretty half-assed way to support a Xata lynch. How seriously are you considering him? I'm currently at "if he does nothing significant tomorrow he's a decent lynch"." "I don't really know a whole lot about Koshi except that I think he's usually more active and more proactive than this. On that basis I'm leaning scum, but I think what this should really mean is "I should go talk to Koshi and find out what he's actually thinking"." "well he's not posted since I talked about him in the thread. In short, there's nothing about him I find towny and have no objections to seeing him hang, but due to the sheer shortness of his filter there's not enough material for me to be certain. " "My recollection of what I've seen from justanothertownie in the past is that this isn't *quite* unbelieveable as his towngame, I don't remember him ever having much in the way of strong/accurate/confident reads and pushing them. Reading those PMs it certainly doesn't feel like he's put a great deal of effort into his reads, but I'm not 100% certain that makes him scum - I've long since ceased to be amazed at the failure of townies to put effort into games. He's certainly jumped up to the top of my scummy list though." "Leaning scum on Rayn since he hasn't claimed that Mocsta is scum for the clusterf*** between the two of them. Blatant OMGUS is basically all Rayn does as town, isn't it? (based on BttB anyway) Then again the sheer derpiness which Rayn is exhibiting is a towny indication generally from him. "Talking about reads in PMs is anti-town"... is he drunk or something? Basically I don't want to try to read Rayn because either way reading his posts will pain me. Mocsta's trolly play is bizarre and not really typical of him, but I think I'll have a chat with him privately. Either he's scum and just trying to shit up the thread or he has some motivation for inciting Rayn, I could believe either. Or maybe he's drunk too. Kush seems moderately towny but not really enough to judge yet. " Town Aquanim from BttB The differences should be pretty obvious. Aquanim is clearly player who as town (which he's always rolled previously) likes to put a lot of thought into his reads and effort into his posts. He's doing neither of those this game. His explanations for reads only go surface deep, and many of his reads follow the pattern of "maybe this, maybe that, and here's an out for my future self." He doesn't screw around like that as town. He thinks through a problem, and comes to a conclusion which he clearly states. I've been having trouble getting firm reads out of him for much of the game, and when he considers a person's alignment he only takes small portions of their play into account. This is not the thoughtful town Aquanim that I've played with. I also want to mention that I've been in PM contact with him since 15:40 KST, roughly two hours ago and he has not posted in the thread during that time. I'm fairly sure that I noticed this happening earlier in the game. His thread presence is non-existent, but since that is the case with so many likely-townies because of PMs I'd like to hear if any of you have PM'd him enough to get a read on him. | ||
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Original Message From Aquanim: Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality) so I'm still willing to talk to you - though the fact of the matter is I don't have anything more I want to ask you for now. Just so's you know. | ||
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On January 13 2014 18:40 justanothertownie wrote: I don't really get how this confirms him as town in your eyes. ok | ||
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On January 13 2014 18:47 justanothertownie wrote: Like would you explain this to me? We've been talking all game and I've been very friendly in a "i'm town reading you" way, but I've gone back and forth from scum and town reading him without him knowing. All he knew up till I posted my case is that I was probably town reading him based on how I acted in PMs. Then suddenly I reveal my scumread to him and the thread, and he's still interested in talking to me even after he knows I strung him along in PMs. I don't think that as scum, his first reaction would be to immediately talk to the guy who just "betrayed" him. | ||
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On January 13 2014 18:56 justanothertownie wrote: Well if he was scum don't you think it would be his primary goal to convince you that your suspicion is wrong? By refusing to talk to you he certainly would not achieve that. Yes, that would be his goal. But I have to make a call, and my call is that that post was genuine. This part here: "Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality)" looks very much like a real thought process that actually occured in a town aqua's mind | ||
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On January 13 2014 19:02 justanothertownie wrote: Ok... I actually thought your post about him made plenty of sense and I don't see how this pm can't be written by scum. hmm? | ||
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On January 14 2014 05:22 LSB Banking wrote: me? I don't have have an issue with him smurfing I have an issue with him being someone smurfs but still doesn't know how to have a good thread presence. I usually give newbies an easier time on that and don't consider it as critically but he's not. That's what I've been saying. Coag made it sound I want him dead because he's a smurf which isn't the case. there are many players in this game who don't have good thread presence who should know better. what about them? | ||
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u help us catch gumshoe, i give you .3 townie points | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:14 LSB wrote: thrawn2112 The Town Butcher has died! ![]() | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:36 Mocsta wrote: Lol.. its easy to have that opinion. You were hotly discussed in PM land. (and im not just referring to aqunim) yeah can confirm first PM game was fun, i kinda wanna say sorry to aqua for stringing you along like that but I was satisfied with the results | ||
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when you sent me the SRS business pm i opened it, read it, refreshed and I already had PMs from hopeless and BH aksing me for my read on you lmao | ||
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On January 14 2014 16:08 justanothertownie wrote: How so? Because 6 townies died N1? ^^ yes that was a most excellent set of modkills. very good play on the scum team's part | ||
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On January 14 2014 17:00 Mocsta wrote: Pm games fun. But I would be demotivated if I rolled scum in this setup. No interest to play restart. I dunno if gum would be lynched. He was def pants on head syndrome. Hmm ok. He prob would be lynched but not before derrida why did it take so long for us to town read each other edit - might have been due to this also did you think i was for real scum claiming to you that one time? | ||
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On January 14 2014 17:18 justanothertownie wrote: You both were a pain in pms to be honest. I was nice to you! Mocsta was the baddie | ||
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it's true, but we didn't really start talking until right before... uh......... i did do a lot of PM sharing and I was worried I might get in trouble for it or fuck something up... but these are the people I shared PMs with: rayn marv BH aqua WoS Mocsta yamato suchdoge there might have been a couple others I'm forgetting, but I'm pretty certain I never shared anything to a scum player (apart from sending kush's PMs to vayne) and I never shared anything I considered 'sensitive' to anyone outside of rayn/marv/mocsta/yamato/suchdoge, and BH right before everyone got modkilled. most of the game I watched the thread and when someone was getting attacked I tried to open up to them in PMs to either give them room if they're town, or make them feel at ease in case scum. or if i knew one of my town read's was PMing someone I would PM that person at the same time, doing the same stuff I just mentioned. then I would give the logs to my town reads for them to compare and contrast against their own logs. | ||
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On January 15 2014 06:13 kushm4sta wrote: Thrawn knew i was scum instantly. it was pretty scary. yeah until u propositioned me for sex. at tht point i was fooled the rest of the game until i started wondering why vayne was being cooperative i also remember being convinced that this was a major town tell for someone who hates rolling scum On January 12 2014 10:57 VIVAX420 wrote: ahhhh help! i got banned for posting this in the tlmafia irc thread | ||
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