TL Mafia LXIV: A Game of Intrigue

On January 10 2014 15:58 yamato77 wrote:
Oh, I assumed that was going to happen regardless.

On January 10 2014 15:13 kushm4sta wrote:
I have seen encryption used before on this site.
Acrofales in Acme Mini Mafia

On January 10 2014 04:00 mkfuba07 wrote:
/in plz

On January 11 2014 02:58 Xatalos wrote:
I guess only the Mayor will know who the Bodyguards are, though? And the Bodyguards can also be scum?

On January 11 2014 03:26 mkfuba07 wrote:
/confirm

I know the election is part of D1, but I'm not sure when the election ends, since the mayor we elect also has to choose the D1 lynch.

Mad Hatter can move the bombs he places around, right? Or are they stuck where you place them originally?

On January 11 2014 09:33 justanothertownie wrote:

Why don't you wait and see how he plays first? What's with all the people deciding to policy lynch that early in the game without even considering the play of the person in question...


Marv will you try to be elected?

On January 11 2014 09:43 justanothertownie wrote:

Keep in mind that the mayor has more power than deciding the Day1 lynch.

On January 11 2014 10:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

You can say that about anything but I think in most games mafia would want to avoid a high-pressure environment where mistakes/passivity are directly confronted and threatened. I've always maintained that lynching randomly into lurkers is a terrible idea because mafia can just direct the town sentiment toward lurkers that aren't on their own team while avoiding suspicion, in this case they wouldn't really be able to do that either. As town, I'd love to see scumbuddies step it up so as not to be on the receiving end of my threats, then they'd all be very visible in the thread.

I think a mafia mayor will go with some sort of platform that seems safe, bank on their veteran status if they have it, promise good scumhunting and then not follow through. Waste the actual benefits of the position itself.

This of course doesn't mean I'll be threatening to hammer anybody, this will go down on players already in the hotseat who do not defend themselves adequately or try to avoid arguments/certain questions.

Meaning if the overall case on Player A can be boiled down to six points and they only respond really to four of them, I would threaten hammer to force them to respond to the other two.

On January 11 2014 19:21 Mocsta wrote:

Thats how we all feel about your play, each and every game.

On January 12 2014 08:21 Hopeless1der wrote:

not sure if sarcasm or actual relief that i'm not going to be retarded.

On January 12 2014 08:34 Blazinghand wrote:


ok well either you believe his claim and he shoudl be the mayor (since he will have a for sure bodyguard) or you DONt believe his claim. since i beleive him i vote him. makes sense right?

On January 12 2014 08:37 VayneAuthority wrote:


So the questions become do you value heart or mechanics more essentially. What is hopeless' proposed lynch at any rate

On January 12 2014 09:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
if you must know the thing I thought was fishy was that this post




Seemed to me like a cop out if things were not going the way you wanted for your team, you would step in and try to take control as mayor to do damage control.

On January 12 2014 10:24 Blazinghand wrote:
but it's also totes reasonable to be suspicious of marv and rayne for bluefishing... come on guys. jeez.

On January 12 2014 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:
##vote Doctorhelvetica

quick thoughts

1) kush campaign was semi legit but mostly just for the talking. realistically speaking people love derping around and complaining about how nobody has anything to talk about. kush is an okay policy lynch but he's no oatsmaster. (heh)

2) I honestly belive DrH is our best mayor here. the fact that he thought about how to use the hammering power optimally and laid out a plan and defended it should be more than enough of a reason. even if he's scum (plausible, as DrH is pretty sharp; he could have done this to try to win it as scum) he's still written himself into a corner in terms of how he uses the hammering vote. this is subject to change but short of someone claiming mason I don't think it will

3) i omitted certain people from my mass pm, mostly people I was already talking to via pm, but also one or two people I didn't want to talk to. I did the mass pm because I wanted to see how people would react differently to it and gather data. one of the things i was checking for was how quickly people would figure out it was a mass pm (since scum would know instantly as they would be comparing pms in the scum qt). I was not anticipating people discussing the pm in the thread so quickly, so this derailed my plan. I'll figure out something else for finding scum.

4) if you pmed me and I haven't gotten back to you, I'm sorry, pm me again so it shows as unread. thanks!

On January 12 2014 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well good to know my townread of BH was right as well---was about to post that this seems alarmingly similar to Les Mafia and was trying to go about stepping in to defend him.

marv I'm not sure I like that excuse. Is it ever a good idea to fish like that if it forces a reveal? I feel like your ego aside, you value proper play and if your fishing truly caused this, I don't think it was proper play at all.

On January 12 2014 11:02 WaveofShadow wrote:

Well...indirectly I suppose, but given that this is a PM game it seems logical to assume that nothing you post in PMs is TRULY private, so I feel like you must have known it was likely for BH to out your fishing attempts to someone else.

On January 12 2014 18:36 Aquanim wrote:

I think JAT is much more likely to be scum than town, for the reasons stated earlier - namely that he didn't seem to have any reads, even when I pushed him for it. I've seen the PMs Thrawn referenced here and I find JAT's reads there entirely unconvincing, just some lacklustre one-liners. Derrida moderately more likely to be scum than town, but that could change fast since his filter really doesn't have much to go on yet.

And yes, I have a reason to think VE is mafia. There, see? Two of us can play that game.

On January 12 2014 21:46 WaveofShadow wrote:

If you're town. And you knew that was coming so don't start with me.
Your interactions during the BH debacle made me feel a little better (but as I've said to many people, I've never seen a scum marv so I don't really know what to expect in that regard), including what you and DrH believe to be irrefutable proof that you're town (informing BH of your 'bluefishing' attempts). What I don't like so much is how you started off the game. I know you tend to start slow and pick things up over time, but surely you knew directly from the start the people were likely to turn to you one way or the other as you're often seen as an extremely strong town leader, so why bother with the charade of 'if' you run for mayor? Apparently suchdoge knew it was an inevitability (this is not association, just an example).

Maybe it's coincidence or egotism talking but your primary lynches for the day just so happen to be between what Rayn (and much of the thread) recently announced his to be, and what I announced mine to be a while ago. What other reads do you have? Who would you lynch if it couldn't be one of those two?

This stuff for starters, then mabes we gets a nice conversation going.

On January 12 2014 01:35 Xatalos wrote:
suchdoge had a big opening post that said a lot of nothing. Then he proceeded to disappear into TeamSpeak or something. suchdoge, you can't use PM's anymore? If so, I really want you to post in the thread. You're impossible to read as of now. With that said, I doubt scum would just completely disappear from the thread like that.

On December 10 2013 07:36 Xatalos wrote:


OK. Well, it's definitely possible that this is a "play" to get town credit. But then again, the more likely scenario is that you're town and trying to figure out the game. Your experience makes the former option more likely, but still less likely than the later option, I'd say.

On December 10 2013 07:57 Xatalos wrote:


I wouldn't call your first post as "real substance". Even "tiny contribution" is a favorable word for that post...

With that said, it's true that Mafia would probably prefer to wait a bit longer before making a post like that. You definitely brought attention on yourself with it (for good reason).

You've been playing entirely reactionary after that first "contribution", though. Do you have anything new to add so far?

On January 12 2014 22:47 Xatalos wrote:
thrawn:

It's actually been a while. We haven't been in contact after the start of the day.

Would you care to share your reasoning for having me in your "naughty list"? I agree with Derrida and Koshi though. Derrida opened with an easy-to-fake and useless listpost, has had zero interest in finding scum, has similarities with his last scumgame and now folds under pressure. Koshi has played so lazy and useless that he's probably not town. He's capable of much better. Only thing I'm unsure about is that he played a very active scumgame in Nuclear Winter Mafia, and he was very hard to catch, but here he's almost too scummy.

I'm puzzled by suchdoge's disappearance as well as VE's PM behaviour. VE hasn't answered my PM's and apparently suspects marv/Mocsta in his PM's with Aquanim, yet shares no reasoning. Have you PM'd with VE?

BH is almost certainly a Mason or even if he isn't, a fakeclaim will be found out later on. So I guess my suspicions about BH are pretty much useless to talk about now.

Original Message From thrawn2112:
Hi again, I'd like an up to date version of your thoughts on the game, and am wondrin if you have any reads you'd like to talk about?

On January 13 2014 00:07 Xatalos wrote:
Btw marv, you still didn't post your logs on VE+suchdoge. I'd like to see them.

On January 13 2014 00:35 Koshi wrote:
Hi Xatalos. Why am I a good player on D1?

On January 13 2014 03:35 Blazinghand wrote:
marv probably scum. before i claimed mason in thread, i claimed mason to marv in PMs with hopeless, and hopeless confirmed it in pms with marv. nothing about me claiming in thread shoudl have changed marv's mind or made him "more sure"

marv already ahd confirmation from hopeless1. do not elect marv.

On January 13 2014 03:38 Captain Obvious wrote:


You must not take the absence of something convincingly town as meaning they are mafia! Perhaps they have not yet had their chance to prove their towniness!

In other news, Koshi still has not replied. It concerns me that he is happily chitchatting but stops messaging once I ask for something actually game-related!

On January 13 2014 03:39 Blazinghand wrote:
But hopeless1. STILL hasn't confirmed it. what changed?

On January 13 2014 03:49 Blazinghand wrote:
marvellosity you gained no new info when I claimed and then you backed off. When people were sharing my pm you did not. why would you back off after gaining no new info?

On January 13 2014 07:11 Koshi wrote:

You aren't your intelligent and independent self. You also say you got to go in a hurry and then stay for 25 minutes. Twice now.

On January 13 2014 08:49 suchdoge wrote:
vague and read less is not town VE. He's not afraid to be wrong. And he at least gives reasons for his thoughts.

And he'd be active and effective with his time-pushing a proper mayor candidate and PMing the better players in the game (and actually discussing reads, even asking for them. Not doing that here)

He also would never bs like this as town IMO.

On January 13 2014 09:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
interesting connection - when pm'd about it bumatlarge wrote a long analysis saying WoS is most likely town. i can post these logs if anyone thinks it's crucial but i'd like him to talk in thread instead

On January 13 2014 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

i asked him specifically for a read on WoS, so it wasn't of his own volition

On January 13 2014 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
I am fucking furious right now.
Marv I can't fucking believe how hard you are misrepresenting me right now.
I flat out told you that I have a hard time trusting you and am suspicious of you and you say I'm not?
And all of a sudden the whole fucking thread nearly gets together to lynch me at the last second while I'm fucking afk?

Aside from the fucking lot of you all saying 'oh well his filter looks scummy' WHICH ONE OF YOU ACTUALLY WROTE A FUCKING CASE? WHO HAS SOME FUCKING SCUM PROOF? WHO HAS SOME ANALYSIS? Nobody, that's who.

Some fucking horseshit going on right here. Marv congratulations on being right about Xatalos, maybe before some moron shoots VE you should remember what I said to you about him. People fucking lumping me into the same group as Derrida wtf is that.

I'll be back later tonight once I've calmed down and had a chance to relax. I just typed out a long paragraph about where I was but fuck that, you people don't deserve it.

On January 12 2014 22:05 WaveofShadow wrote:

A bunch of sentences? I count like one, where he simply states facts. One of the sentences is him asking suchdoge to come back so he can try to read him, and then the final one is offering his own opinion to the matter.

I see it unmistakeably with the proof of the second one, but are you completely certain he does not do this as town? To me it sounds like a thought process coming across. Yes it is a mafia thought process but one nonetheless---I know when I played scum I personally found it extremely easy to 'pretend' I was town and mimic my usual town thought processes.

On January 13 2014 18:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone in this game should claim to marv.

On January 13 2014 20:50 Koshi wrote:
Persona Mafia

↑ In Persona the Millers are listed in the OP and it also was a semi-open (semi-closed? dnu the difference). Why is (are) the miller(s) not listed in this OP?

People already asked host? I did but he misread and thought I was asking about Masons.

On January 11 2014 09:43 gumshoe wrote:
I mean, I've played one scum game, and I was terrible in it, what's more my scum partner xatalos from that game is here, so he can even call me out if he sees any similar play XD

## vote the king you can keep in check.

On January 14 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:


wait, he KNOWS? has he been shitting me this whole time?

On January 14 2014 10:06 suchdoge wrote:


He already mod confirmed bum and hopeless in the process.

It's unreasonable to expect that they should be left alive if BH screws up, because when he flips their alignments get confirmed too. This is another reason why BH deserves a ban for this. It sucks, but that's the way it has to be.

If you left them alive scum would really have no choice but to shoot them both, because BH's flip confirms all three of them.

At the very least if they continue to do nothing and there are people who are wasting their time over it scum can leave them alive forever since they pose no threat.

On January 14 2014 10:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Easy to say that now, isn't it?

On January 14 2014 10:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
I figured marv usually has trouble reading me so between kush being unpredictable and on the off chance some one like rayn or koshi or something obtained cop we gave me godfather as a result.

On January 14 2014 10:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually it crossed my mind that marv would make alakaslam or something like that bodyguards since I know he's a tricky player 0o

On January 14 2014 10:58 justanothertownie wrote:

Dunno if I like or hate you for this comment.

On January 14 2014 12:22 Rean wrote:
My first time being medic and I even made a correct call :D So proud. Was horribly wrong about VE/WoS but oh well.

On January 14 2014 16:29 justanothertownie wrote:
We had 2 very good mislynches with VE and gumshoe. Who knows how this game would have turned out especially if Aquanim had checked Vayne like he said he probably would have. I won't deny that town had the edge (and I certainly won't claim scum played well) but this wasn't over.

On January 14 2014 20:37 Mocsta wrote:
Without emotional flippancy pop

What about the chat u had with me on irc when the mod kills came lol