TL Mafia LXIV: A Game of Intrigue

On January 11 2014 02:01 marvellosity wrote:
yeah I probably won't initiate any PMing this game. I'll just trust that people want to PM me first. Then if they don't I'll complain in the thread about it.

On January 11 2014 16:36 Alakaslam wrote:
I am suspicious of a Dr. Helvetica/ Blazinghand / VisceraEyes scumteam

Which probably means all are town. -_-

On January 11 2014 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am also curious why people are supporting DrH so hard when he has made zero contributions towards anyone in this game besides himself. If he is to become a mayor he should be interested in lynching mafia, not discussing how he is going to get people talk on D2.

On January 11 2014 09:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why should we policy lynch a player day 1 just because you alone have a hard time dealing with them being in the game? If this was your intention, did you mention it before the beginning? I would say that this is an attempt to make the thread discussion worthless but you're not dumb enough to think that the town is going to be on board with that lynch, or that in the 48 hours that pass from now the discussion will still be seriously centered around a lynch on kush. So you might as well say now exactly what you're getting at - if what you're getting at is that no matter what happens at the end of this day, you would still lynch kush regardless, then whoever is elected should lynch you immediately.

On January 11 2014 10:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Cool, now participate in the current discussion. Should the mayor ever hammer? What do you think of BH on kush?

On January 11 2014 18:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE who the fuck would do anything else than lynch their top scumread as mayor if they are town?

On January 11 2014 18:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
ve this conversation about DrH is so boring! say something more interesting plz!

On January 11 2014 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are discussing your reads in PM's that's anti-town. There is no reason to do that if you are town. So i assume you are not doing anything useful in PM-land.

I want you to explain why:
1) BH's policy makes him suspicious
2) Why Mocsta trolling makes him scum
3) Why marv's "non-caringness" makes him scum

On January 11 2014 18:19 yamato77 wrote:

If Moc does not stop trolling, we will kill him. If he's town and doing this, he knows this.

If he doesn't want to play the game, he should be obliged.

On January 11 2014 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No, there is no reason to discuss reads - especially scumreads - in PM's when you can do that in thread and make everyone see your thought process. It's anti-town, on D1. Period.

On January 11 2014 18:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

I think making lists of barely formed scumreads is the stupidest and least pro-town thing you can ever do and I've almost gotten into some over the line nasty fights with VE in particular about this.

On January 11 2014 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah you have no idea how to play in PM games. So i'll just stop.
Whatever.

##Vote: yamato77
Obviously town and will most likely listen to me and lynch mafia. DrH will fail.

On January 11 2014 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You won't vote for me anyways, even if i make a really good case on scum on D1 like in last game.
So i'll just convince yamato, it's easier.

On January 11 2014 18:45 Mocsta wrote:

You're scum because you're treating me seriously.

Everyone else is ignoring me.

I will vote mayor for anyone that will lynch slam.

On January 11 2014 18:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like here is a good example. Mocsta nd VE are in a misunderstanding. Why? Does it help the town Mocsta thinks something is true when it's not? Why is VE being super secret on his read on Mocsta? Does it help anyone?

On January 11 2014 18:57 kushm4sta wrote:


anytime I develop a strong read i share it with the thread. I could say why for gumshoe but I don't want to go into it if everyone already agrees.

On January 12 2014 02:14 Koshi wrote:

WoS and VE are being sneaky.

On January 12 2014 06:56 Derrida wrote:
Hey all, this is my third mafia game and first PM and first mayor game. You can find my previous games here and here. I was scum in the first one and got killed on Day1, so I’m a terrible scum player. In the second link which is an ongoing game, I am a townie.

Below is the list I’ve made while going through filters to catch-up, I wanted to share it and I will be updating it throughout the game. I am experimenting on it, but in my shadowings and coaching I received, I’ve been told that trying to visualize the connections and reads is very helpful in a mafia game. I will try it out this game. I am hoping that keeping a tab on people’s reads, votes for mayor, and activity fluctuations will make it harder for scum to go unnoticed and pressure them to keep a consistent townie persona, forcing them to slip eventually. Please let me know if I've made a mistake and/or missed any of your reads in my list.

My current mayor candidate is Dr. Helvetica, primarily because I enjoyed reading how seriously he approaches the game. I would like to play a serious game as well, hence the endorsement. I also enjoyed reading through Yamato77’s filter, he is my #2 mayor candidate. I am open to PMs and IRC discussions; though one question, why should one be careful about anonymity on IRC?

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My two mayor favorites are also my top two townie reads. I do not have any scum reads based on the filters, and I don't most of the people here anyway, so I can't do much 'meta-reading'.

On January 12 2014 07:35 marvellosity wrote:
kushm4sta was just temp banned for 2 days by EvilTeletubby.

That account was created on 2011-07-12 23:54:33 and had 4750 posts.

Reason:
On January 11 2014 23:02 kushm4sta wrote:
worst op ever.


Worst bump ever.

On January 12 2014 07:55 Alakaslam wrote:
I will obey the wisdom of the crowds.

Town controls mayor powers.

On January 12 2014 16:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is VE so bad?
And why is Blazinghand so terribad? Good job BH, if mafia did not notice you are mason they sore did now. Good job indeed.

On January 12 2014 17:32 yamato77 wrote:

The sentiment is bad. What makes you mafia is your vote on Wave at a time when he had literally just explained at extreme length why he's not running.

You're opting out of real discussion by doing this so late in the day.

On January 13 2014 05:24 Coagulation wrote:
VE what do you think about super aggressive MARV ?

On January 13 2014 05:30 Coagulation wrote:


for town cred of course. Marv is capable of cashing players out in thread as scum with no problem.

On January 13 2014 05:36 Captain Obvious wrote:


Masons are immune to protection, citizen.

On January 13 2014 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:

OH RIGHT! Harumph. So wait wouldn't that make it essentially null for marv to out the masons? Why is he acting like it clears him or something?

On January 13 2014 05:36 Blazinghand wrote:


Mason is saveproof.

The the ad knowing means there's a larger people of pool who know who to shoot

On January 13 2014 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody competent want's to kill BH or Hopeless because they are not doing anything. No matter how confirmed town they are.

On January 13 2014 05:47 Blazinghand wrote:


but I'm not the only one who knows who has pmed me since I am a mason. If everyone knows I'm a mason it's not obvious obvious Marc obvious marvos madonsnipiv

On January 13 2014 05:51 bumatlarge wrote:
Making a claimed mason mayor is a pretty good idea. It just depends on the person and their scum read. Are we really that set on not making BH or hopeless mayor?

On January 13 2014 05:51 bumatlarge wrote:
Making a claimed mason mayor is a pretty good idea. It just depends on the person and their scum read. Are we really that set on not making BH or hopeless mayor?

On January 12 2014 10:29 thrawn2112 wrote:


I'd say all town but dunno about xata. I just realized that i've posted almost no reads

naughty list

xata
koshi
derrida

nice list

rayn
yamato
kush/vayne
alakaslam
DrH
gumshoe
blazinghand
WoS

On January 13 2014 06:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
I don't like the xata lynch, I don't even think he's all that scummy. As stated earlier I am not gonna vote for any mayor who doesn't promise to kill derrida.

On January 14 2014 02:28 suchdoge wrote:
VE Skype please. I know you have one.

suchdogemlg420

On January 14 2014 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And since Wave is not here could you PM me your IRC log with him?
From the PM's your story does not really match what you guys have been saying in thread and the PM's seem awfully like scum-scum interaction.

On January 14 2014 03:31 yamato77 wrote:
I'm here, ask me stuff

On January 14 2014 04:17 Blazinghand wrote:


obviously yes, since either he's a real butcher and got a butcher pm, or he's scum who fakeclaimed butcher, and in the latter case do you really think he wouldn't have already asked this question?

On January 14 2014 04:45 LSB Banking wrote:
Okay I'll just post the updated version of the summary. Yes I'm aware I'd usually want to talk you through this in detail and I should be the one engaging you and talking about why I think whatever way I think but I simply don't have the time to do that with the replacement and it almost being D2 already, so I'll do what I can to get as much info into you to catch up a little.

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Feel free to ask about anything. I can link the entire thing again but haven't figured out how to make the links working in one go so I'd rather fix it on a case by case basis if someone, for example, were to ask "hey how do you get to X being on Y points"
There's a couple of people in there I don't feel comfortable reading. I somewhat like Mig but that's a gut feeling so no points for him because so few posts. I don't know what to make of koshi and vayne. BC and chin have barely posted.

Also I don't bite. rayne and marv are the only ones I've been talking to so far. Rayne the only one post catching up.
It's been rumored that I'm on irc right now if someone wants to talk.

On January 14 2014 04:58 LSB Banking wrote:

I told rayne I'd rather not lynch you tomorrow because I usually have more different reads on you than than fingers on both of my hands combined throughout a game if that makes you happy.

On January 14 2014 05:10 Coagulation wrote:
LSB IS HOSTING AND PLAYING SAME TIME ISNT HE?

On January 14 2014 08:28 Coagulation wrote:
VE for scum 2014

On January 15 2014 11:15 Aquanim wrote:
The difference is intent. Blazinghand's was demonstrably not malicious.

Even so, I don't think a warning would be inappropriate, but if LSB feels that the problem was a failure to communicate between himself and Blazinghand rather than Blazinghand breaking the rules per se then I have no objection to the current state of affairs.