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On January 01 2014 08:55 Alakaslam wrote: Wanna hack mine and diskovir my phone posting? Also who I be where I am? all i can say is your time is coming soon buddy. better grab your ankles and kiss your butt goodbye | ||
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On January 02 2014 12:12 geript wrote: He was modkilled in sicilian and replaced in Bluelightz. He received a ban for both around August 2013. Both were 'forgiven' when the banlist was reset around the end of September 2013. He is not currently banned and there technically is no official sanction against him currently. I'm just here to warn the community that apparently so hates rage quitters that he's known for flying off the handle and rage quitting. Additionally that the last time he played he rage quit 2 games simultaneously; one he made ~40 posts on D1 (not including N1) in a 20 post restriction per cycle game and one where he got mad because he got caught and didn't want to try to talk himself out while flying off the handle at 2-3 players in the game. So if people want to play with him, they should do so at their own risk. i won't do that and it was a very long time ago but if i can't play ~ i can't play . i didn't get caught doing anything except working all day and being unable to check the thread. my activity would have been the same regardless if i was town in that game or not | ||
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i have four, if something that awful and tasteless is going to exist and be propagated by geeks i'd like to take some of their money | ||
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On January 10 2014 09:59 suchdoge wrote: such cry Much wtf Hahahaha. Lighten up doc. My meme usage will be pretty minimal. Tasteful, you could say. going to do everything i can to make this game hell for you if you use the meme in the game itself, test me nerd | ||
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On January 11 2014 04:11 Alakaslam wrote: Hey DR Helvetia Do you hate corgis now? i like all dogs of course | ||
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We can deal with suspicious lurkers by threatening hammer. If I'm mayor, I will lynch my top scumread at the end of Day 1, no matter who it is. I do not care if it is Marv or BC, the most suspicious person at the end of Day 1 will be lynched. I will threaten hammer on anyone who is under significant suspicion in the thread and fails to respond to it. I will threaten immediate hammer until they adequately respond to all accusations, I will threaten hammer to lurkers who try to avoid the discussion. By properly utilizing votes and the pressure of a hammer, we can force people to play at the pace the town wants them to play at. That's all. I won't try to be a hero and hammer someone without announcing or first putting on adequate pressure and giving people a chance to defend themselves but I would not be afraid to use it if I suspect the mafia are making a serious effort to derail a lynch on bad logic. | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:41 justanothertownie wrote: Well IF Kush is playing this way and you still think nobody will be able to read him - ok. But I don't think threating him this way (deciding to kill him without caring about what he actually does) improves the situation with him. Well it started a discussion and that's really useful - I hope this is BH's true intention. To immediately create a situation in the town where people can take sides and argue, it's actually beneficial to players who put in effort to read and consider everything. If this is not his true intention - then nevermind. Either way I demand he explains. | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:48 gumshoe wrote: Have you considered that your aggressive approach will stimy conversation day 1 ? I mean it might be ok for getting one guy to talk, but several other townies may quiver in the shadows at the thought of a scum mayor Dh jumping on something they say. Also on the one hand you say you'll threaten hammer on anyone, on the other you say you'll lynch the scummiest read... Assuming the second is your aim, do you expect people to still take your hammer puffing seriusly? ## vote the king you can keep in check. What's wrong with aggression? Think of the situation as being something like this: Day 2 Majority of players find players A, B and C to be scummy Players A and B defend themselves clearly while player C barely posts, or defends lightly and dodges certain questions/deflects certain points Mayor threatens hammer on Player C if Player C does not adequately respond to the pressure/accusations. This does not necessarily mean Player C is the top scumread, it means Player C is not allowed to dodge the pressure. If Player C continues to dodge the pressure or martyrs, it's highly likely that they are scum and would probably move to the top of anyone's scumreads barring something like a red DT check on A/B or a scumslip from another player. One of the nice things about hammer games, is they are on going and the pressure is immediate and life or death, it is very difficult for scum to slip by if they try to simply remain passive. That is the sort of environment I believe the mayor should try to create. If Player C does not totally satisfy me or the town with his defense, I would still vote at the end of the day for the player I find to be scummiest, unless I was alone in my read and unable to swing a lynch. So the priority would go something like this - as far as where I try to swing the bandwagon in the grand scheme of a day: 1. My top scumread 2. Player who does not respond adequately to pressure of hammer/thread in general 3. Town bandwagon that intersects with my personal scumreads However the priority for where I use my vote to direct discussion would go as follows: 1. Scum accused players who I believe are scum and respond passively 2. Scum accused players who I believe are scum and respond actively 3. Reactionary scumreads, ones that develop naturally over the course of the day If the thread remains active, arguments will be resolved quickly because there is no other option for a player who wants to survive. While a townie can see that all they have to do is answer questions and participate to avoid the immediate hammer, or banking on the fact that it could be a bluff, there's no reason for them not to do so. A mafia in this situation, even if they believe it's an empty threat, I think will respond either very aggressively under the pressure or try to delegitimize the hammer as a concept to continue being passive - dodging the accusations by forming new and irrelevant arguments about the mechanics of the game itself. If the hammer threat draws out a scum, then I will drop it, but chances are it won't really be necessary if scum are revealed through this method anyway. But it's not an empty promise. I would drop the hammer if a scum is clearly revealed, agreed upon by a trustworthy circle of the town, and then there is a clear movement away from this lynch or an attempt at immediate misdirection. | ||
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On January 11 2014 10:11 marvellosity wrote: in a funny game theory sort of way, it would make all your theoretical scumbuddies step up their game so as not to be on the receiving end of your ire ^_^ How do you think a mafia bigname would go about trying to clinch the mayoral spot, Dr H? You can say that about anything but I think in most games mafia would want to avoid a high-pressure environment where mistakes/passivity are directly confronted and threatened. I've always maintained that lynching randomly into lurkers is a terrible idea because mafia can just direct the town sentiment toward lurkers that aren't on their own team while avoiding suspicion, in this case they wouldn't really be able to do that either. As town, I'd love to see scumbuddies step it up so as not to be on the receiving end of my threats, then they'd all be very visible in the thread. I think a mafia mayor will go with some sort of platform that seems safe, bank on their veteran status if they have it, promise good scumhunting and then not follow through. Waste the actual benefits of the position itself. This of course doesn't mean I'll be threatening to hammer anybody, this will go down on players already in the hotseat who do not defend themselves adequately or try to avoid arguments/certain questions. Meaning if the overall case on Player A can be boiled down to six points and they only respond really to four of them, I would threaten hammer to force them to respond to the other two. | ||
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On January 11 2014 10:47 Alakaslam wrote: Hello. I have neither interest in running for nor objection to being mayor. Probably better to confirm a vet as town and then vote that veteran. I will initiate a private chat with Blazinghand soon, otherwise feel free to PM me your desired method of communication. I watch Star Trek evenings (California time), immediately following tends to improve communication with me. Please be wary of me, I am very good at looking town early! It just doesn't tend to last. This game I may try and learn how to do that or simply exude my alignment naturally. I'm expecting a pretty good game. Cool, now participate in the current discussion. Should the mayor ever hammer? What do you think of BH on kush? | ||
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On January 11 2014 16:22 WaveofShadow wrote: I would think that you should. I'm not entirely certain that it will be enough in this game for the mayoral role to go to someone people believe/assume is town alone---it may be important that the role rightfully goes to someone who will effectively get scum lynched; that is, someone with strong reads and convictions but who will also be able to defer to the town and/or take advice when necessary. I am actually interested in other people's thoughts on this matter: would it simply be enough to give the mayor role to someone who was theoretically confirmed town but may or may not use the role to great effect? And another question specifically for you, Mocsta. I am currently in contact with somebody who believes that you may be trolling with that vote. Is that true? I just got back from Friday Night Magic so I'm going to respond to the thread. I'd rather give the mayor role to someone I was maybe 70% sure was town but know would be effective than someone who I was 100% sure is town but had no confidence in. Scum mayor is a high pressure situation and if they're afraid to use or threaten the hammer at all, or kind of sit back with the role and play it safe I'll probably push them on Day 3 if I'm still alive. It'd be worth losing the mayor role to catch a mafia tbh, but of course I wouldn't vote for anyone I find suspicious. That's why I'm running anyway. On January 11 2014 16:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think I understand. What do you mean by 'dropping it,' and if the bandwagon would change to what? Do you mean off of the threatened person or onto him? Dropping the hammer, off the threatened player. So I threaten hammer on Player C who is accused Day 2, Player C either shitposts or dips out of the thread entirely. I will not drop the hammer but encourage everyone to lynch Player C. If there is a concerted effort to misdirect the vote off of C or people start to lose confidence for a dumb reason, that is when I would exercise the power to hammer the player. Partly because town should never ever do that and partly because I'd like to foster a town environment where that kind of wishy washy shit doesn't happen. I agree more or less with yamato's reads so far. I'd bet like five dollars at this point (let's say that means I'm around 40% sure) that either marvellosity or bloodycobbler are mafia. Marv said he's high in a PM to me and BC sometimes doesn't read when he's not interested and I'm not going to call for anyones head until they defend themselves, but they can not be allowed to continue playing passively. All Marv did when he PM'd me today is basically try to make me doubt myself, then not push it/argue when I didn't agree, and ask me sort of easy questions? There wasn't really any point to the communication, I couldn't figure out what he was getting at as town but maybe he was just bored. Either way, it's not good. So, BH PM'd me his post about voting for me like an hour or two before he posted it, that's really strange? I think he was gauging for my reaction to it but all I did was comment on the bit about the miller, I didn't thank him or tell him anything I thought about his support in and of itself, because I was immediately put off by a move like that. I told Marv what happened and he says oh well it's just BH being BH, it's not interesting, which I am also put off by because that's an easy excuse not to examine his intentions. I demand that BH explains his intentions. He still seems to think a kush lynch is the best option, so why not continue your campaign yourself? All you have to do is use the hammer in the way I've explained, if you think that's a good idea, you can get what you want and what I argued for? Says to me he doesn't really care about his own lynch at all and that's not a good sign. Please explain. On January 11 2014 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am also curious why people are supporting DrH so hard when he has made zero contributions towards anyone in this game besides himself. If he is to become a mayor he should be interested in lynching mafia, not discussing how he is going to get people talk on D2. I don't think it's fair to call me a non-contributing player for talking about policy and derailing a shitty policy lynch like an hour or two into the game, when I've been pretty busy all night. I don't think talking about policy is useless at all actually, I think it's the best thing or really the only thing to do on Day 1. I've expressed this sentiment before, outside of being in a game, so I can promise you that viewpoint is not connected to my alignment in any way. Scum have been caught straight up this way before. Like Promethelax in LX who argued about policy lynches on Day 1 then didn't follow through with his own logic then martyred himself over getting caught. Just the way people respond to the mayoral campaigns and policy ideas can be very telling. I.E if they spend all their time devaluing other peoples ideas and complaining that no one is scumhunting when they aren't doing anything else except throwing negativity on what other people are doing - with no clear goal in mind. The player who agreed with the kush lynch is highly suspect as well, here's some trademark laziness from me - i'm not gonna look back and find out who that is rn - but i'm pretty sure someone said the kush lynch seemed like a good idea or is "okay with me" and if I was a dayvig I'd have a strong urge to shoot that person right away. Wouldn't do it. But I'd have a strong urge. I apologize for not having rock solid scumreads and that I'm not ready to kill anyone right now. Hopefully my intentions to pressure marv/BC into being active and BH into explaining himself count as contribution. I'd also like to see rayn do something other than post one liners and cast doubt on others. If I am expected as town to be doing some kind of amazing scumhunting right now, then you are too. Unfortunately, I scum hunt at my pace and on my time and not yours and I prefer to keep town on a need to know basis. There are plenty of other players that have piqued my interest or said things that stood out to me. I find making constant lists of everyone I find mildly suspicious absolutely worthless, I can say I already have ideas forming about who and how to pressure certain people when I'm more alert in the morning and that I can promise that it will be made very apparent in the second half of Day 1. | ||
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On January 11 2014 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE can you be more specific, what posts are those. Because to me this: is the closest thing to characterize DrH's play atm. Talk about general stuff, setup, mayor powers and "how to use them". Not scumhunting. I'm talking about aggressively threatening and utilizing the hammer power to pressure people who try to behave passively in this game, and force accused scum to respond to cases made by me and other players. That's not really what I would call safe or passive play. I've also admitted that I would be very inactive tonight. When I made those posts the only previous discussion was BH's stupid plan to kill kush because he personally doesn't like the guy so I don't know where I was supposed to pull a scum case out of my ass at that point but maybe you'll be satisfied by my previous post, or maybe someone told you to attack me to "throw me off" since that usually works | ||
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what is the point of going on and on about how I dared to mention policy? the contribution it's made is that everyone is talking and taking sides now, it got the day 1 ball rolling. people are starting to form opinions. suspicions. but you don't seem to really be forming any suspicions or scumhunting yourself. your style of play is 100% reactive and negative. you're not helping. you don't even have an opinion about my own alignment, even though you're almost only talking about me and the day isn't even half over yet. Demanding BH explain his strange behavior, calling out mocsta, mentioning marv's strange behavior in PMs and asking him to explain and be less passive as well as BC. What else would you like me to do like 1/3rd of the way into the first day? Considering I've been busy for the last 7 hours as well. | ||
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On January 11 2014 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not blaming you for not doing scumhunting. I want you to start. Being busy does not make you mafia. I am more interested in people who are backing you up in your campaign because you have "so really good contributions" when i feel like they are not good. Everything that is not finding mafia is not good. There is no need for campaigns and shit, lynching mafia is the only thing mayor should do, every day. Like other townies. that's really misrepresenting my style of play it sounds to me like instead of reading and thinking about my posts you're trying to force an idea : / or maybe too focused by the idea of talking about policy. Don't blame me for other people reacting to my play a certain way, you're backing down when you're talking to me directly but refuse to acknowledge anything else I've done or said in the thread and also assuming I'm being inactive in PMs as well which is interesting | ||
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On January 11 2014 18:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So does BH wanting to policy lynch kush make him mafia? How so? In the last game BH wanted to policy lynch someone who would not contribute. He was confirmed town in that game and did nothing but wanted to policy lynch a lurker, all game. I didn't say or even imply that, it's clear you're not reading. I'd like him to explain the mass PM and why he sent it to me first then didn't respond to my reply, I want to know his intentions there. Just like I wanted to know his intentions for the Kush lynch, which he admitted were sincere, but then is going to push me as mayor even though I most definitely won't lynch the person he wants lynched which means he must not have cared much about it in the first place. That's not really what I'd call tunneling and it doesn't seem like he's taking his policy lynch seriously so it's curious he hasn't abandoned the idea already. It's even more curious that anyone else would think it's a good idea. It's curious. I want him to respond. I want answers from him. I demand them. This is part of the process of scumhunting. Not pulling hyperbolic accusations out of your ass prematurely, it's a process. | ||
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On January 11 2014 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are discussing your reads in PM's that's anti-town. There is no reason to do that if you are town. So i assume you are not doing anything useful in PM-land. I want you to explain why: 1) BH's policy makes him suspicious 2) Why Mocsta trolling makes him scum 3) Why marv's "non-caringness" makes him scum i don't agree but i refuse to argue about it because neither of us will change our minds 1. why would you as town: a. run for mayor and expect people to get behind a policy lynch of kush, a player who you want to kill because you and you alone have difficulty reading him. HEY give me the big role of the game so that I can use the power to get rid of someone that is hard for me personally to deal with but probably not for others. Then, drop your campaign to support a player who won't lynch that person, yet still state you want that person to be lynched, that is about the most useless and anti-town play I can think of on Day 1. It includes such scumtells as revealing convictions that you don't follow through on, budding up to players who are loud voices in the town, as soon as I said I'd like him lynched for that he dropped his campaign and started supporting me. Why would you vote, as town, for someone who said they'd kill you that early in the game? 2. I didn't say he was scum I said he needs to stop and if a player absolutely refuses to stop trolling and playing an intentionally obstructive and anti-town game, you would assume they are town instead? 3. Marvellosity is not a player who I expect would play passively and pass the game casting doubt on people and not contributing anything, he's an incredibly good player when he's attentive and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because he told me in a PM that he was really high tonight. I feel like this could become a youngminii/VE type situation where you hate the way I play and I hate the way you play and we're both unfamiliar with each other. I typically go many hours without reading the thread and completely forget what I said. I forgot I was even that aggressive with BH in the first place. Probably due to being out of the house for the last seven or eight hours and drinking and only periodically checking this thread on my phone until now. I don't think something as simple as that stands out as being completely dishonest. Do you think I'm scum? | ||
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On January 11 2014 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, there is no reason to discuss reads - especially scumreads - in PM's when you can do that in thread and make everyone see your thought process. It's anti-town, on D1. Period. I think making lists of barely formed scumreads is the stupidest and least pro-town thing you can ever do and I've almost gotten into some over the line nasty fights with VE in particular about this. | ||
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On January 11 2014 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't hate the way you play. I think you are just using many words to say very little. all you've done is ask me questions and tell people not to vote for me, you're worthless basically | ||
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On January 11 2014 18:24 Mocsta wrote: Trol0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0 Dr.H demands I explain my trolling. Question Dr.H: How am I going to vig myself? muahahahahaha idk vig rayn or bh then we're squared away | ||
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On January 11 2014 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah you have no idea how to play in PM games. So i'll just stop. Whatever. ##Vote: yamato77 Obviously town and will most likely listen to me and lynch mafia. DrH will fail. do you really think PM games are a pro mafia atmosphere? man it's really sad if anyone thinks they should listen to you | ||
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On January 11 2014 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't worry. I'll tell who is scum when i find one. Man, I know you don't know my game but if you think I'm the type of player who doesn't go hard on cases then ya'll don't know me | ||
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On January 11 2014 18:51 Mocsta wrote: Nah, you're the type of player that starts hard and then gets so bored with the game you stop playing Eventually you get lynched. I'm a changed man and I've only been lynched I think like twice or something | ||
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On January 12 2014 01:35 Xatalos wrote: rayn: you never answered about why you would have blues claim to an unconfirmed Mayor. Why? I really dislike BH's sudden switch from all-in on kush to supporting DrH. He claims to still lobby for lynching kush, but his attitude is different from Titanic II, where he went all-in on xigxag (a lurker). He's much less vocal about his preferred tunnel and partly drops it very suddenly. I disagree with his tunneling attitude in general, but more strongly I dislike his quick attitude switch and the weak conviction behind the original tunnel. Aquanim looks shady from what little there is in his filter. He claims disinterest in becoming a Mayor, makes some general one-liner questions and then these: A really lackluster and factually false first argument, then a barely better follow-up. This is as non-committal as can be. I see this much more likely coming from scum than town. I had the impression that Aquanim was supposed to be good as town? I also really dislike mkfuba07's entrance into the thread: This is an extremely safe opening post that doesn't really say anything. It looks constructed with a greeting, a short show of support for the most reasonable Mayor campaigner at the time, and a trivial question at the end. Then complete silence. suchdoge had a big opening post that said a lot of nothing. Then he proceeded to disappear into TeamSpeak or something. suchdoge, you can't use PM's anymore? If so, I really want you to post in the thread. You're impossible to read as of now. With that said, I doubt scum would just completely disappear from the thread like that. does any of this post matter at all? | ||
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On January 12 2014 03:21 yamato77 wrote: Implied suspicion? I think Xatalos is townie from what I know of him. This seems nitpicky. I don't think so at all. You have four or five people listed, you only barely called one of them scum, you're not really asking questions of any of them. If I was on that list I wouldn't feel any need to respond to anything Xatalos said. He talks about suchdoges suspicious behavior then says it's more likely town than scum so what is he even getting at? I wish people would stop posting lists like that, they're the worst posts ever. | ||
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On January 12 2014 04:04 Xatalos wrote: What's this about? We've exchanged several PM's already. You pretty much avoided answering anything though...... You refused to talk about your reads or your policy. And now you just forgot? How is that even possible? yea i forgot. ve pmd me too i guess. | ||
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anyway here is our pm log I don't agree with the notion of fake activity there, I think you're misdirecting that idea. You can listen to the first tl mafia podcast if you want to hear my thoughts on day 1 policy discussion. I have very slight reads but they're just nudges. It would be counterproductive to mention them now. When I have time I'd like to pressure those players first. I'm already doing it a little bit in PMs. Original Message From Xatalos: I'd be interested to hear that, yes. Ok then. I'd like to hear more of your stances on players rather than policy though. I realize it's early, but it's relatively easy to fake activity with policy talk, and I'd rather not elect a scum Mayor. Do you have (even slight) player reads yet? Hide nested quote - Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: There's nothing to discuss about BH, all I did was ask him questions and disagree with his premature lynch choice. I never accused him of anything. If I feel one way about him strongly, you'll know. There are a lot of ways I've talked about on the podcast as well, I'm not going to type them out on my phone rn but if you need me to tell you ill do so in the morning when I'm on a proper computer. Original Message From Xatalos: What about the points I mentioned about BH? How exactly do you catch scum with policy talk? Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: I'm busy tonight at Friday night magic. I am PMing marv and I am concerned with his passive nature. I figure when I get home there will be more to consider. Talking about policy is my policy for day 1, it makes people take sides and you can catch scum in serious errors like promethelax in I think LX? Original Message From Xatalos: I'm considering you for Mayor, and I kind of like your policy ideas, but you've pretty much only talked about policy so far. You did mention BH though. You hoped that his true intention is to generate discussion, but did you see Titanic II? There he tunneled a lurker all game and ignored me although I was near-confirmed scum. He was town. I somehow doubt that he has any noble goals in mind currently, town or scum. And it'd be extremely easy to fake a mindless push like that. Have you PM'd with marv yet? What do you think of his disinterest in becoming Mayor? Does he otherwise feel towny? i didn't really avoid talking to you seeing as i explained my inactivity and said i'd answer your questions but i forgot about you by the time i got home and you never PM'd me again like if you wanted to get answers from me and feel dissatisfied with my activity or whatever, why not keep hounding me? my feelings on BH and everything have changed since that PM exchange as well. | ||
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On January 12 2014 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not really, no. But that's how you use PM's. You try to see if someone says one thing in thread and another thing in PM's. Apparently one of them was drunk and the other one lost his train of thought before finishing reading the thread. Maybe you guys should stick to the thread if you do scummy stuff like this or can't handle remembering what people say in PM's and in thread.. Maybe you should read the logs then? On January 12 2014 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos had a PM convo he quoted in thread with DrH last night (fin time). In the morning i ask DrH what he thinks about Xatalos. His answer is literally "i don't even know who Xatalos is lol". Xatalos - when he comes back to the thread - does not call DrH out for it. What the fuck are those guys doing in PM's? Why don't people pay attention? Xatalos seems to be paying attention and appears pro-active, yet he doesn't notice that kinda stuff. DrH forgets half of his PM-mates, what's the purpose of PMing if you don't even remember who you have PM'd a couple of hours later? Seems like there is no purpose and they are just throwing PM's around to look active. "He quoted in thread". If Xatalos posted the logs earlier, I missed it completely. But I just posted them a bit ago since he brought it up and I don't want to leave the thread in the dark, even if it is my bad for forgetting about it. On January 12 2014 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: because i forgot. i forgot you were even in this game when i was asked about you later. anyway here is our pm log i didn't really avoid talking to you seeing as i explained my inactivity and said i'd answer your questions but i forgot about you by the time i got home and you never PM'd me again like if you wanted to get answers from me and feel dissatisfied with my activity or whatever, why not keep hounding me? my feelings on BH and everything have changed since that PM exchange as well. "What the fuck are those guys doing in PM's? " you could read the logs for example. The way you're talking about it makes it seem like I PM'd him or we both made a decision to have a conversation. He PM'd me questions and I answered them, I had pretty much no confidence in my reads at the time because A. it was early B. i didn't have the free time to follow up on my guts since I was busy. You can scold me if you want for being a forgetful and absent-minded player. I will acknowledge that and it's something I should improve during this game. But there's nothing suspicious about it really. Xatalos PM'd me yesterday and I forgot about it. That's it. There's nothing else to say except boo on me for not being extremely attentive. | ||
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On January 12 2014 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: and what does him posting a log has to do with anything? where's the secret plan? you say "what the hell are you doing in PMs" like it's some big deal xatalos pm'd me a couple of questions, i answered them, we went back and forth for like ten minutes and then it was over and i forgot about it....so you can't really say i'm trying to hide information and I have no reason to lie about it. it's pollution to just scold me in thread, if you wanna berate me personally for being forgetful then feel free to flame me in pms | ||
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On January 12 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote: Like I asked before DrH, do you have anything else notable you want to talk about or is the Xatalos thing still convincing to you? I'm waiting on responses from a few people, one in PMs and one in thread and a good chunk of time to read filters and sit down with my wordpad open. I still demand BH explain his course of action since he is my top scumread. | ||
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On January 12 2014 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: So DrH you make a post like this where i assume you call Xatalos scummy. About 10 minutes later you PM me about your scumreads and "funny feelings" but Xatalos is not there. Why? what do you mean why | ||
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I'm not as confident in my reads/play as I usually am due to a long break and I don't have the time to dedicate to this game that I think a mayor should. Yamato is one of my top town reads and I like the way he's applying pressure, with the hammer power as well I don't think he's a mayor who will let passivity slide. | ||
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On January 12 2014 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: You give me a list of your scumreads. I assume you are asking me about what i think of them. If Xatalos is your scumread why the hell is he not on the list? And why are you voting for yamato for mayor if i am going to execute your scumread? i don't like you to be honest i've never hated anyone in a game more than i hate you but i think you're town, i'm being petty | ||
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On January 12 2014 08:09 justanothertownie wrote: This only answers the second question and not the first one. the first question is stupid | ||
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Original Message From Blazinghand: reasonable since scum would probably shoot r + m before you, so if they're shooting you first it means r + m are probably scum. much more reasonable because one of them is almost certainly scum. I have moderate scumreads on both r + m because they have both pmed me asking if I was hopeless1der's mason partner; fishing for mason partner doesn't make a lot of sense unless you're thinking of shooting whoever hopeless1 makes his bodyguard. I think it's unlikely they're BOTH scum since if they were both scum only one of them would go fishing (why risk exposing both of them)?-- the most likely situation is exactly one of them is scum. I'm not madhatter. Why does BlazingHand have any kind of scumread on rayn or marvellosity, both of whom are pretty strong townreads for me, why is he more concerned with talking to me about how I must be town than talking about his actual reads on Marv/Rayn and why isn't he stating this in the thread. He began the game with an empty policy lynch on Kush, then supported me, now he has actual scumreads he isn't pursuing and went along with the idea that I would kill not only two players who are doing a good job of establishing themselves as town but two of the most active players in the game? Lynch BH today. | ||
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Original Message From Blazinghand: well you're gonna like this even less then HueeeeE Hide nested quote - Original Message From Xatalos: I'll go read your older games. I really didn't like your kush -> DrH switch though. Original Message From Blazinghand: it doesn't make a hyoooj amount of sense for a guy to reference his own meta but i'm just gonna tell you if you think my play this game is remotely indicative of me being scum you really gotta check my meta. my profile has links to most of my mafia games (aven't updated in a few months though) and lists what alignment I was. if your'e wondering why people are mostly wanting to lynch me for being a pest, not for being a scum, the answer is simple. Original Message From Xatalos: What would scum Alakaslam possibly gain from lying about PM'ing you? That just makes zero sense. I have trouble thinking of any explanation though. IRL issues maybe? I've played with kush and I think he's trollish and useless. Frankly, though, I don't think it's too different from playing with you. You at least seem like you're trying, but I'd equally not want either of you as Mayor. Original Message From Blazinghand: i have played and hosted many games with kush. perhaps you have not played with him; that's fair enough. you'll understand what I mean by the time we get to D2 or so and you have a chance to observe his play firsthand. slam probably scum. anticipate he'll claim he pmed me. Original Message From Xatalos: That answer didn't really raise my confidence in you. I don't understand wanting to lynch someone before he's even posted. Can you explain your rationale behind the tunneling better? Because I just see it as mindless. I'm curious about Alakaslam though. Original Message From Blazinghand: yes but drh is probably better for it. he's obviously town and better than i am at mafiaa if elected I will lynch kush. I will lobby whoever gets elected to lynch kush. kush needs to die. yes no ,slam has not pmed me | ||
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xatalos rayn marv alakaslam are all scum? | ||
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On January 12 2014 10:27 Blazinghand wrote: hm if the mason strat won't work I guess Drh should be mayor ##unvote ##vote doctorhelvetica im going to lynch you if im mayor | ||
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xatalos and that's ONLY because I asked you. and then you dropped it completely. you might play like a clown but i don't know you to be the kind of player to not pursue his own reads and to avoid tunneling at all costs. it's because you have no arguments. besides "hey guys....role fishing?" | ||
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On January 12 2014 10:34 Blazinghand wrote: man i dont' even think xatalos is that good a lynch after correcting for bias. it's like nobody here is reading my posts and you don't have bombs on anyone anyways since it's d1. zzz im also not a madhatter | ||
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course of action: 1. ask for policy lynch on a player whose alignment you have no opinion on 2. say that no matter who is mayor you will push for this lynch 3. vote for a mayor who says they will not lynch kush and suspects BH himself of being scum 4. provide scumread on xatalos when asked by me on the second half of the day, doesn't push it 5. privately provides scumread to xatalos on alakaslam, doesn't push it in thread 6. privately provides split moderate scumreads on rayn/marvellosity to me in private, says putting madhatter bombs on them is a good idea, doesn't push either player in thread or in his PMs with other people, when asked about it only talks about how he only thinks one can be scum 7. votes for me again after i ask for him to be lynched he's playing intentionally and brazenly anti-town. I don't care how "bad" blazinghand is. What better to do as scum at this point than to collapse completely and shit in the thread? | ||
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what town player can only defend their actions and reasoning through fucking meta ......lol he can't even explain his intentions because they're bold faced scummy so he just defaults to "don't pay attention to me i'm bad DrH very good  " . If I'm so good and he is town why do I want him dead day 1? That makes no sense. How can any town player think I'm the best choice for mayor when I disagree with their lynch choice whole-heartedly AND want them lynched? It's illogical. | ||
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On January 12 2014 10:47 Blazinghand wrote: yeah I mean like I said, DrH clearly doesn't understand (or, more likely, is pretending not to understand) my thought process or the definition of a policy lynch. I suspect he's actually just displeased with my playstyle and has decided to make an example of me, showing he's not afraid to go after veterans who don't play to his standards. If it causes town to fall into line for the rest of the game, that's a reasonable decision and I support that. ah, martyr yourself | ||
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On January 12 2014 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Why, exactly? Were you planning on tunneling this to the ends of the earth? well yeah it's not like i didn't think he was scum or anything but now i know i can just ignore him if hopeless confirms his claim. not worrying about BH is an ideal situation for anybody | ||
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On January 12 2014 11:00 Blazinghand wrote: this is part of why i'm suspicious of marv. i just don't see town marv putting his ego aside. town marv would just believe himself why would scum marv announce he found the blue to the blue he was already supremely confident in the crumb he found so why not just shoot you, why give town a bunch of info like that. marv is better than this, some wine is harder to drink. | ||
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On January 12 2014 11:02 Captain Obvious wrote: He must claim, either to verify or to deny and call you out as scum. Scum already knows if you're really a mason or not, not claiming only withholds information from town! no lmao why would that be ok | ||
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Koshi is acting a little too weird for me to read I need to see more, it's not uh....play that I'm used to analyzing? If that makes sense. I don't know what to make of it I just don't like it so i'm torn between scum and bad town | ||
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On January 12 2014 11:14 WaveofShadow wrote: People are welcome to comment on suchdoge as well since nobody has yet... talking about it in irc right now, will you get on irc i'd like to talk to you in particular actually. i have confidence that if you are town it will be productive | ||
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On January 12 2014 11:16 Aquanim wrote: Yeah, OK. Reasons to think he's scum: list post, but that's a heuristic in which I have only limited confidence bases his mayoral preferences first on "enjoying reading their filter because it is srs" and second his read on them Reasons to think he's town: I got nuffin, but I do have... Reasons I'm not certain yet: he has like 2 posts and being a newbie his thinking about "is this relevant to whether they should be mayor or not" probably isn't expected to be entirely accurate whatever his alignment tl;dr I'm not certain he's scum but he's a reasonable guess P.S. will go meta him now re. Marv's statement do you have a stronger read on someone else then? | ||
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On January 13 2014 09:14 Aquanim wrote: I raised some issues I had with the xatalos lynch privately with marv, namely: 1) the original meta read about Xatalos second-guessing his reads as scum applied equally well to his town games 2) on glancing over his meta he seemed more aggressive in his scumreads than here I can post the logs if you like, or you can get them from marv or myself privately those weren't the main points to me i think the way he went down attacking me over pm logs that happened a day before he said anything was the worst bit | ||
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On January 13 2014 09:22 marvellosity wrote: Do you think mafia really go to all that time and trouble to give their mafia buddy a townread? Instinctively that doesn't feel right i asked him specifically for a read on WoS, so it wasn't of his own volition | ||
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On January 13 2014 16:18 Xatalos wrote: GG... Meta is an annoying thing. And PM's so hard to fake. As a sidenote, I never lied about that PM stuff I was accused of (rayn etc.). Uhhhh...this is cheating | ||
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On January 13 2014 18:32 Mocsta wrote: Well thrawn was already townie but this makes him confirmed for me. Over the past 24hrs he keeps being suspicious of u. Then allayed. Then suspicious. That paranoia is too hard to fake. Dr.h just pm Me asking me not to vig Ve cos "other" vig is all over him Trololololol Isn't it better for town not to doubleshoot? ve is my top scumread too, I don't see what's funny. | ||
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