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/in not sure normal-size games suit me and I'm not sure I'm gonna like a PM game, but what the hell | ||
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On January 11 2014 11:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Until someone provides a real reason to be elected they shouldn't be considered. What do you consider a real reason to be elected? | ||
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On January 11 2014 12:01 Xatalos wrote: Why do you have no desire to become a Mayor? I don't have the time or motivation to deal with that kind of added responsibility. | ||
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On January 11 2014 19:45 kushm4sta wrote: can we save rayn by making him mayor lol? do you have good reason to believe rayn is town? if so would you mind sharing it? | ||
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On January 11 2014 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Agreed with Mocsta, suchdoge is the scummiest person in the thread. D'you reckon you can explain this to me? That long post of his looks like it was written pregame, and therefore doesn't tell me much regarding his alignment. He's also expressed a desire to talk with people (specifically VE) which isn't the most intuitive thing I'd expect a scum smurf to do. If he thinks that long post is sufficient contribution for the day I'll agree with you that he's likely scum - but I don't see any reason to believe yet that there won't be more material forthcoming from him. Is there anything else making you lean scum on him? Convince me. | ||
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On January 12 2014 08:20 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm a Mason who is going to serve as the posterchild for a hidden town circle. Vote me mayor. Or yamato...but mostly me. Mason You are a town Mason with [Insert player names here], you survived a recent TL Mafia game as town. After said game you are certain of your fellow Mason's alignments. Unfortunately you have a weak constitution so >>>You cannot be protected from night kills<<< uh... this is a pretty serious problem with that plan. | ||
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On January 12 2014 10:58 Blazinghand wrote: Would it be okay for hopeless1 not to have to confirm me? that might be easier in terms of avoiding scum nk Can you explain to me what difference it makes at this point? | ||
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On January 12 2014 11:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: let's talk about how derrida is scum Yeah, OK. Reasons to think he's scum: list post, but that's a heuristic in which I have only limited confidence bases his mayoral preferences first on "enjoying reading their filter because it is srs" and second his read on them Reasons to think he's town: I got nuffin, but I do have... Reasons I'm not certain yet: he has like 2 posts and being a newbie his thinking about "is this relevant to whether they should be mayor or not" probably isn't expected to be entirely accurate whatever his alignment tl;dr I'm not certain he's scum but he's a reasonable guess P.S. will go meta him now re. Marv's statement | ||
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On January 12 2014 11:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: do you have a stronger read on someone else then? No. I have a couple of similar strength though. All I see in justanothertownie's two-page filter is kinda pointless oneliners in which he commits to almost nothing. For all I know he's doing work in PMs, but based on his thread presence so far he's another possible scum for me. This one isn't a scumread as such, but as long as Captain Obvious continues to post only "obvious" stuff and committing to nothing he's going to be next to impossible to read I think. And then there's the eight or so other lurkers. Of the active players I reckon at least most are town. | ||
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On January 12 2014 11:43 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe you could point out the scummy things in my 2 page filter then? Or is my thread presence the only reason for your read? You don't even have one filter page and call other people lurkers... I already did. Your filter may be longer than mine but you haven't contributed a single read to the thread. And yes, I'm aware with my filter length calling people out for lurking is a shade hypocritical. I have two answers: 1) I'm pretty sure there's at least half a dozen people with filters shorter than mine 2) Just because I'm a hypocrite doesn't make it any less true. Deal with it. | ||
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On January 12 2014 12:06 justanothertownie wrote: I mean did you ever talk about that? Skimming through your filter I just saw your "maybe scummy maybe not" read on Derrida and your baseless attack against me. Until a mayoral aspirant actually says "I want to lynch X" I don't have a whole lot to pick and choose between them. In answer to your question though... I'd prefer yamato over rayn since while I reckon they're both probably town I get along with yamato better. DocH apparently doesn't want the job now, but if he did I could live with that too. (He's also town.) What exactly do you mean by "baseless attack"? Do you contest my statement that you've provided no reads and committed to basically no positions, or do you contest that that makes you likely scum? | ||
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On January 12 2014 12:15 justanothertownie wrote: I contest that it makes me scum and if you are primarily looking for scum then I am surprised you didn't find anything better if you are town. Let me get this straight. You're saying that if I find somebody who in one and a half pages of filter hasn't given a read on anybody, meaning that they've made no committments that their future play will have to be consistent with, that isn't a good reason to have a scumread on them? Is this seriously the argument which you are making? | ||
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On January 12 2014 12:33 justanothertownie wrote: If we would be talking about a normal game you would probably be right. But this is a mayor game. If you want to hear my reads you could question me you know? But you didn't do that. You did not try to figure out my alignment and instead just threw shit on me. See, the thing is that if somebody accused me in the way that I just accused you, as a townie I would not have attacked them back. I would have thought "hey, they have a point. I should post my reads and convince them I have actually been thinking about the game." Also, just because this is a mayor-election day doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about who is scum. | ||
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On January 12 2014 12:55 Mocsta wrote: Hmmmm Aquanim. Why the need to counter a derrida wagon before it gains momentum? Why not let it evolve organically.. I.e. let derrida speak for himself. Do you not find it odd he posts freely in one fame and struggles in the other? Exacerbated by a similar summary/list post to his scum opener. Why go to that effort and then spoiler it too.? Don't get me wrong, I still think Derrida has a lot to prove to us. He's given me no reason to think he's a townie yet. | ||
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On January 12 2014 13:04 justanothertownie wrote: Good question. I thought some things BH said were pretty scummy but that was probably wrong obviously... and call it OMGUS but I think Aquanims wishy washy stance on Derrida (he himself felt the need to answer the question about Derrida which was directed at everyone and then only came up with this inconclusive statement - why even say anything about it then?) + his attack against me is scummy too. If someone wants my opinion on something/someone just ask me. It's not hard... But I have to leave for real now. DoctorH asked for opinions on Derrida - I gave mine, 1) to show that I'm thinking about the game and 2) as a starting point for discussion in which myself and others can try to convince one another that our view is correct (and hopefully reach the correct conclusion re. Derrida's alignment). At present I'm not certain what Derrida's alignment is - dunno why you'd expect me to be from the handful of posts he's made. If I had strong, certain reads on everybody the game would be easy. And it's not. You'll also have to try harder than that to make an argument why me pushing you for posting no reads is scummy. | ||
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On January 12 2014 13:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I buy it. DocH I am disappoint. After reading (most) of the thread, I can't even think of who the other actual candidates are. I'll vote for Wave. ##Vote: WaveofShadow Is there anything in particular you're buying? | ||
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On January 12 2014 13:54 VisceraEyes wrote: The mason claim. If Hopeless claims it's true, I'll roll with it for now. They'll either die in the night or we'll lynch one of them eventually to find out the truth. Can you see any reason why Blazinghand wouldn't want hopeless to confirm him? cos I got nothing On January 12 2014 10:58 Blazinghand wrote: Would it be okay for hopeless1 not to have to confirm me? that might be easier in terms of avoiding scum nk | ||
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Do you have an opinion regarding my suspicions of justanothertownie? | ||
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Rayn, do you have any reasons for why you think VE is town? | ||
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On January 12 2014 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do, do you have any reason for calling people out for making general statements and then following it up with statements like: "And then there's the eight or so other lurkers." and "Of the active players I reckon at least most are town." ?? Well for starters I'd appreciate it if you say where I "called people out for making general statements". I remember calling JAT out for "having no commitments regarding any reads at all in his entire filter" which is not at all the same thing. Also, everybody makes some general statements, including me. I've also made some not-general statements. What exactly is your point? I also can't help but notice that you haven't really answered my question. Would you care to correct that? | ||
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On January 12 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Interesting. I don't see a single clear read from you in thread. If there is some, could you point me out to one? All i see you say about other people is "they might be town or scum". And yes i answered your question. You asked me if i have a reason to think VE is town and i said i do. Do you have a reason to think VE is mafia? I think JAT is much more likely to be scum than town, for the reasons stated earlier - namely that he didn't seem to have any reads, even when I pushed him for it. I've seen the PMs Thrawn referenced here and I find JAT's reads there entirely unconvincing, just some lacklustre one-liners. Derrida moderately more likely to be scum than town, but that could change fast since his filter really doesn't have much to go on yet. And yes, I have a reason to think VE is mafia. There, see? Two of us can play that game. | ||
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On January 12 2014 18:35 Mocsta wrote: There is interesting context behind that statement. I believe it originates from a PM convo I shared with Aquanim. Aquanim Feel free to cut in first. Actually, that PM conversation was after I posted that in the thread I think. Post our PMs if you like but I hardly see the need, they're not really relevant to the issue at hand here I don't think. | ||
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On January 12 2014 18:41 Mocsta wrote: Aquanim In general: do you think drunk people would *NOT* post if they are scum? I haven't the foggiest idea. I don't imbibe enough myself to have much experience with that state. On January 12 2014 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: So how about you share the read on VE in thread so we can discuss it? You know, it's highly likely one of or yamato is going to be mayor and it would help we get information about who is mafia in your opinion, because apparently it seems like in your opinion i am on the wrong track. I am going to go re-read JAT because from what i remember your statement does not hold water, and taking JAT's meta into account this looks like just about his townplay. What do you think of Xatalos btw? In short, VE's being bloody cagey when I ask him questions, verging on being deliberately obtuse. On January 12 2014 14:12 Aquanim wrote: I guess that's possible. Do you have an opinion regarding my suspicions of justanothertownie? Asked him this question in thread, got no answer so I took it to PMs. Original Message From VisceraEyes: I'll do so eventually - you didn't ask me to explain my reads, you simply asked if they existed. And they do. Last time I played with VE town, he engaged with the thread a lot, wasn't afraid to answer questions and was so obvtown he was elected mayor. This game is giving me none of those feelings. Maybe he's just distracted and for whatever reason doesn't think I'm "worthy" of a straight answer, but I'm running out of plausible town explanations. I don't know a whole lot about JAT's town meta except to know he's not Hapa or anything. I'm always willing to debate my reads, and if you make a convincing argument why I'm wrong I can accept that. Xatalos raised some nitpicking stuff early on which I'd scumread him for in a normal game but given most of the real work here is probably happening in PMs it's plausible that what he found was all he could find in the thread to talk about. I sent him a PM a while back but I think he's asleep. | ||
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On January 12 2014 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: So do you think this is unreasonable? This is about your reads post i talked about earlier: Well. I gave my problems with Captain Obvious the thread space they deserved, which was about a sentence. It's not like I'm screaming for a policy lynch of him - just gave my opinion of him. And why shouldn't VE be aware of my stance on justanothertownie? The conclusion of my clash with JAT is literally on the same page as where I asked him that question. Is he not reading the thread or something? For that matter, why shouldn't I ask VE for his opinion on a read I'm pushing? I question the purpose of VE raising any of those points. | ||
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On January 12 2014 19:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because you don't really have a stance. You call JAT out for not posting reads. Why is JAT a scumread when about 80% of the game has not posted a single read? JAT had clearly been present for a fair bit of the game but hadn't done anything which seemed like he was even interested in looking for scum. If PM evidence is presented which shows he was looking for scum in that way I will reconsider my read. If ya'll reckon that JAT not looking for scum is his standard town meta I will (disgustedly) move him to null. | ||
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On January 12 2014 19:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand why this is this hard. There are a fuckton of people who have been present but done "no scumhunting". Why is JAT scum over suchdoge, marvellosity, WoS, Mocsta, Koshi, etc.. Why you need to single out JAT and not other people? Having a scumread on him because he hasn't done shit is okay, but why him and not those others? Talked with marv and mocsta in PMs and I'm confident they're thinking about the game, hoping someone else who actually wants to deal with suchdoge in PMs will read him, have a slight townread on WoS (and he's pushing suchdoge, anyway, so your characterisation is inaccurate here), and I don't like Koshi's play so far either but I'll get to him later. If I tried to push eight lurkers at once I wouldn't get anywhere. By pushing JAT alone I've drawn reactions from him and others and moved the thread forward. (Before you ask, I'm not telling you everything I've learned from pushing JAT. Deal with it.) You still haven't explained why you think VE's town. | ||
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On January 12 2014 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Talked with VE in IRC and I'm confident they're thinking about the game. How was this not obvious when i flipped my stance in ~30min with no posts from VE at that time? Like do you think at all what reads between the lines? I don't trust your reads enough to take your word for it. If you won't show me your evidence, you're not going to convince me. Not showing me your evidence is your prerogative, I suppose, but you're hardly going to convince me to change my mind on your say-so. | ||
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On January 12 2014 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why should i trust your word? I literally quoted what you said about yuor town reads and changed names lol.. I'm not asking you to take my word for my reads on Marv and Mocsta. If you're unwilling to share your conversation with VE, then say so and stop wasting my time. | ||
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On January 12 2014 20:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are like the definition of uncooperativeness and wishy-washyness and you use same logic to not give out reads that you use on other people saying they should give out reads. lol really? I asked you a simple question (why you had a townread on VE) and you've stalled me and given me nothing useful for two pages. Talking with you really is a waste of my time. | ||
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On January 12 2014 20:06 Mocsta wrote: I'm happy to discuss this publicly to aid my scumhunting cred points. The line with Koshi is news to me. Can you walk me through this. Same as JAT really, he's posted very little useful in the thread (this is his only post with any real content at all). Especially weird since my impression of Koshi is that he typically has a lot of thread presence. | ||
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On January 12 2014 20:20 Mocsta wrote: Aquanim What do you make of Derrida response to my case. Specifically him trying to make it synonymous with a lurker lynch. Do you think a townie would respond in this fashion? I've seen stranger things from newbie town, so I think it's still possible he's town. The scummy points which stick out to me are: - Largely giving up and resigning himself to being lynched resonates with me more as a scum move, though a newbie town feeling lost in this game and not having time could conceivably do the same. Leaning scum on the balance of probabilities though. - Saying that it's a "good read" but that he "doesn't really agree with your points that makes me seem more scummy than the other inactive people" makes very little sense to me, what other points were there in your "good read"? | ||
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On January 12 2014 21:23 marvellosity wrote: As a FYI, bugs kinda laid into jat in Quiet game for "having no reads" while he was alive, both in-game and post-game. Surprised you didn't notice this given you hosted it? Or take this into account at all into your read...? ##vote: marvellosity It would be an easy playstyle to replicate if he's scum. At worst, if he's town I have hopefully communicated to him that he should have reads and make them public to convince us all of his alignment. If he does that I am quite willing to be persuaded that I am incorrect in my present read, if that is in fact the case. I'm rapidly finding the alternatives unpalatable so ##vote: marvellosity | ||
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On January 13 2014 08:09 marvellosity wrote: Can anyone find a single suspicion in VE's filter other than a vague mention of Captain Obvious? Does that even make VE in particular scummy? Well when I PM'd him (it's pasted in the thread somewhere) VE said he was suspicious of you (Marv) and Mocsta, but he'd had difficulty convincing anyone else. When I asked him for his reasons, he stone-walled me. Can anybody else report that VE actually mentioned these reads on Mocsta or Marv to them, and that he actually tried to convince them? | ||
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On January 13 2014 08:17 marvellosity wrote: When was that Aqua? In relation to mason incident + when VE voted me mayor? It was... after the mason incident and before VE voted you mayor (in the vote thread anyway, since that happened just a couple of hours ago. If he made a "vote" in this thread I haven't seen it.) | ||
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On January 13 2014 08:20 marvellosity wrote: There is something so off between WoS and VE. WoS said to me that VE and him agreed on "practically everything" but if VE's reads were me/mocsta, then Wave didn't mention being suspicious of either when he spoke to me. It's all very weird In that case I'd be interested to know which reads VE gave to WoS. | ||
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On January 13 2014 08:30 Alakaslam wrote: Wait... I asked him, and he hasn't replied. K. Guess what VE? You have some pm stuff to do. Alak, is there a message you sent him at the end left out of that chain? | ||
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On January 13 2014 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: who went off defending xatalos, im busy on mobile but ill comb those filters tonight and see what i come up with. I raised some issues I had with the xatalos lynch privately with marv, namely: 1) the original meta read about Xatalos second-guessing his reads as scum applied equally well to his town games 2) on glancing over his meta he seemed more aggressive in his scumreads than here I can post the logs if you like, or you can get them from marv or myself privately | ||
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On January 13 2014 09:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: those weren't the main points to me i think the way he went down attacking me over pm logs that happened a day before he said anything was the worst bit Like I said I wasn't against the Xatalos lynch overall, just dubious about a couple of the points raised - which made me more dubious overall about it than the VE lynch, which seemed like a slam-dunk. Hell, it still is. | ||
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On January 13 2014 17:51 suchdoge wrote: I would bet a lot of money that neither Mig nor thrawn are scum, Yamato. I err on the side of bum not being scum too. VE is almost unequivocally scum, and WoS is probably scum with him. Of the remaining players it's likely that a newer player is also scum. Chinstrap fits. (I personally want to give the LSB banking guy a bit to come forth with more reads that aren't from his pre-replacement notes). The only other players that are worth a look are BC, gumshoe, and potentially JAT mocsta Coag. The last three I put at unlikely but without having really talked with them or having heard of them through PMs I'm not anywhere near as confident on them being town as some others. WoS posted a bunch of PM logs he has with VE into the thread, what about them makes you think they're fabricated between two scum? Is there anything besides the "I could probably get Helvetica lynched with this PM"? | ||
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And as to why I haven't posted in the thread for two hours - I didn't have anything which I felt needed to be said. It's night-phase, what do you expect? | ||
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On January 13 2014 18:25 suchdoge wrote: Can you get on Skype? I want to chat. Make a new account if you have to please. No, sorry. I could make a QT and send it to you though (not sure what the delays on you getting PMs are but I hope you get them eventually?). | ||
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@JAT: Do you think I'm the best lynch tomorrow? If not, who do you think is? Give your reasons too, please. | ||
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On January 13 2014 19:23 justanothertownie wrote: Am I the only one who has issues with some of those reads? Even if I put his read on me aside there are problems here: He states that the only things gumshoe has done were townie - is ok lynching him. He states Koshi has done nothing townie - true. But Koshi did play like that in recent games and I somehow doubt he would play this blatantly scummy if he was indeed scum. Ok, maybe Aquanim didn't follow those games. But the kicker is this rayn read. Holy shit. No, OMGUS is not the thing rayn does at all. I basically fought with rayn for half of the PYP really hard and he still had a townread on me for almost the whole game as far as I know. And I totally agree that discussing reads in pm while maybe helping to figure the specific person out prevents other players from reaching conclusions and isn't that helpful for town as a whole. This seems like a really weak cop out to not have to face rayn and/or his reads. Okay then. You've misrepresented my statement on Gumshoe - what I actually said was "what he's done so far is townie, but if what he's done so far is ALL he does then it won't be enough to stop me scum-reading him for being useless" (put more explicitly here to prevent misunderstanding). As for rayn, if you think my view is groundless I guess you didn't read Back to the Basics, which is my only first-hand experience with him. I'm going to recast my question to you very simply. Do you think I am the best lynch tomorrow or not? | ||
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On January 13 2014 19:37 justanothertownie wrote: You seem like a decent lynch, yes. That wasn't the question I asked. "Decent" isn't the same thing as "best". I want you to say, one way or the other, whether you think at this time there are NO other people in the game who are more likely to flip scum than me. | ||
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On January 13 2014 19:54 justanothertownie wrote: How does being suspicious of me before the flip make him look good then? But you are actually right. I didn't really go back to what Xatalos said yet and should probably do that asap. I (and everyone else, I imagine) would like to know what conclusions you draw from connections to Xatalos. | ||
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comments about BH and gumshoe mayor campaigns aren't alignment-indicative. jumping all over Alakaslam could be some scum plan because he knew Alak would have an answer, but I doubt it In his first long post of reads he has a problem with BH (presumably town), me, mkfuba/Coag and suchdoge. I'm inclined to guess this points towards coag and doge being town. He didn't really commit hard to any of the four reads so he could have plausibly snuck a scumbuddy in as well, but I think it's less likely. Regarding his disagreement with DrH about the PMs they sent between one another, I don't think it was prearranged. Either DocH is town and they had a misunderstanding, or DocH is scum and they goofed talking about the PMs they'd allegedly sent between one another then tried to cover it up. Definitely leaning towards the former explanation. Doubt his vote for yamato as mayor is alignment-indicative on Yamato much, could see this happening whatever Yamato's alignment. in the PM conversations the only people who seem to have actually replied to him are myself and Thrawn, both of whom I have confidence are town anyway. Nothing to see here. He brought up the fact that VE didn't reply to PMs a couple of times but that could just as easily be distancing. Null. tl;dr no smoking guns so I lost interest. | ||
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On the simplest possible level, a mafia player is unlikely to put suspicion on other mafia players because he doesn't want them to be lynched, unless he has a reason to do so. Xatalos had no pressing reason to be bussing at that point in time. It's possible that, knowing that, he would instead choose to publicly suspect his scumbuddies to exploit the above logic. This is a more complicated possibility and therefore somewhat less likely, but not by any means impossible. This is a pretty simple answer to a pretty simple question. | ||
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On January 13 2014 22:28 marvellosity wrote: Xatalos bussed like a mofo in his last two mafia games before this one Hmm. Well in that case I suppose the balance of probability shifts towards one of them being mafia. Still though, it's nothing I'd choose as the basis as a read on either of them. | ||
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If WoS gives us nothing more he could hang too but I'm less convinced there. Hopefully, if he's town, he plays a little more calmly today. | ||
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On January 14 2014 09:57 LSB Banking wrote: how about we don't give a crap, wait for flips and continue like nothing happened? Not like we can do anything about it +1, I think this game still retains sufficent integrity to play on | ||
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I checked chinstrap if anyone's interested. | ||
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I correctly guessed that if BC was scum he'd be godfather (so wasn't going to bother checking him) and prolly would have checked Vayne sooner or later. Dunno about Derrida/LSB Banking, but he was at least on the list. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler Mafia Godfather I knew mafia could give GF to someone and figued it'd probably be BC, unless you're saying you gave GF from BC to Vayne | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:39 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah can confirm first PM game was fun, i kinda wanna say sorry to aqua for stringing you along like that but I was satisfied with the results heh whatever I'll live On January 14 2014 10:39 marvellosity wrote: wow they gave it to VA? what did i say about checking VA aqua? in the future or something something like that, yeah no accounting for RNG taste though I suppose. | ||
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Which is why we don't talk about ongoing games chaps! | ||
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On January 14 2014 12:29 bumatlarge wrote: Can people reveal smurfs? Everyone else seems to know. I was ok with reads this game I guess, probably should have talked more, but I was basically confirmed to marv, and I could just throw my reads at him. Didn't know vayne or thrawn I think Captain Obvious has claimed already (check his role), LSB Banking might have too (not sure whether it was just implied, since I happen to know myself who he is). Dunno about suchdoge. | ||
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On January 14 2014 16:29 justanothertownie wrote: We had 2 very good mislynches with VE and gumshoe. Who knows how this game would have turned out especially if Aquanim had checked Vayne like he said he probably would have. I won't deny that town had the edge (and I certainly won't claim scum played well) but this wasn't over. I'm inclined to think that we'd have caught enough-to-all of the non-godfather scum that the green check on Vayne would have been made null eventually. As for whether we'd have caught him in the end despite that I'm not sure. VE we'd probably have mislynched, gumshoe I'm not so sure. My sketchy math indicated that town had at least two mislynches to spare at the end (depending on how soon they occured), even if one ignores the doctor protect which should have gone through. I'm personally putting it down as an abandoned game in my profile. I reckon town still had the edge but as you say the game wasn't concluded just yet, and debating could-have-beens isn't going to change that. Oh, and no hard feelings by the way justanothertownie - I hope you feel the same way. | ||
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On January 15 2014 06:40 thrawn2112 wrote: ... yeah until u propositioned me for sex. at tht point i was fooled the rest of the game until i started wondering why vayne was being cooperative ... rofl at this entire chain of events | ||
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Even so, I don't think a warning would be inappropriate, but if LSB feels that the problem was a failure to communicate between himself and Blazinghand rather than Blazinghand breaking the rules per se then I have no objection to the current state of affairs. | ||
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