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On January 12 2014 13:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I buy it. DocH I am disappoint. After reading (most) of the thread, I can't even think of who the other actual candidates are. I'll vote for Wave. ##Vote: WaveofShadow Is there anything in particular you're buying? | ||
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On January 12 2014 13:54 VisceraEyes wrote: The mason claim. If Hopeless claims it's true, I'll roll with it for now. They'll either die in the night or we'll lynch one of them eventually to find out the truth. Can you see any reason why Blazinghand wouldn't want hopeless to confirm him? cos I got nothing On January 12 2014 10:58 Blazinghand wrote: Would it be okay for hopeless1 not to have to confirm me? that might be easier in terms of avoiding scum nk | ||
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Do you have an opinion regarding my suspicions of justanothertownie? | ||
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Rayn, do you have any reasons for why you think VE is town? | ||
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On January 12 2014 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do, do you have any reason for calling people out for making general statements and then following it up with statements like: "And then there's the eight or so other lurkers." and "Of the active players I reckon at least most are town." ?? Well for starters I'd appreciate it if you say where I "called people out for making general statements". I remember calling JAT out for "having no commitments regarding any reads at all in his entire filter" which is not at all the same thing. Also, everybody makes some general statements, including me. I've also made some not-general statements. What exactly is your point? I also can't help but notice that you haven't really answered my question. Would you care to correct that? | ||
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On January 12 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Interesting. I don't see a single clear read from you in thread. If there is some, could you point me out to one? All i see you say about other people is "they might be town or scum". And yes i answered your question. You asked me if i have a reason to think VE is town and i said i do. Do you have a reason to think VE is mafia? I think JAT is much more likely to be scum than town, for the reasons stated earlier - namely that he didn't seem to have any reads, even when I pushed him for it. I've seen the PMs Thrawn referenced here and I find JAT's reads there entirely unconvincing, just some lacklustre one-liners. Derrida moderately more likely to be scum than town, but that could change fast since his filter really doesn't have much to go on yet. And yes, I have a reason to think VE is mafia. There, see? Two of us can play that game. | ||
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On January 12 2014 18:35 Mocsta wrote: There is interesting context behind that statement. I believe it originates from a PM convo I shared with Aquanim. Aquanim Feel free to cut in first. Actually, that PM conversation was after I posted that in the thread I think. Post our PMs if you like but I hardly see the need, they're not really relevant to the issue at hand here I don't think. | ||
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On January 12 2014 18:41 Mocsta wrote: Aquanim In general: do you think drunk people would *NOT* post if they are scum? I haven't the foggiest idea. I don't imbibe enough myself to have much experience with that state. On January 12 2014 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: So how about you share the read on VE in thread so we can discuss it? You know, it's highly likely one of or yamato is going to be mayor and it would help we get information about who is mafia in your opinion, because apparently it seems like in your opinion i am on the wrong track. I am going to go re-read JAT because from what i remember your statement does not hold water, and taking JAT's meta into account this looks like just about his townplay. What do you think of Xatalos btw? In short, VE's being bloody cagey when I ask him questions, verging on being deliberately obtuse. On January 12 2014 14:12 Aquanim wrote: I guess that's possible. Do you have an opinion regarding my suspicions of justanothertownie? Asked him this question in thread, got no answer so I took it to PMs. Original Message From VisceraEyes: I'll do so eventually - you didn't ask me to explain my reads, you simply asked if they existed. And they do. Last time I played with VE town, he engaged with the thread a lot, wasn't afraid to answer questions and was so obvtown he was elected mayor. This game is giving me none of those feelings. Maybe he's just distracted and for whatever reason doesn't think I'm "worthy" of a straight answer, but I'm running out of plausible town explanations. I don't know a whole lot about JAT's town meta except to know he's not Hapa or anything. I'm always willing to debate my reads, and if you make a convincing argument why I'm wrong I can accept that. Xatalos raised some nitpicking stuff early on which I'd scumread him for in a normal game but given most of the real work here is probably happening in PMs it's plausible that what he found was all he could find in the thread to talk about. I sent him a PM a while back but I think he's asleep. | ||
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On January 12 2014 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: So do you think this is unreasonable? This is about your reads post i talked about earlier: Well. I gave my problems with Captain Obvious the thread space they deserved, which was about a sentence. It's not like I'm screaming for a policy lynch of him - just gave my opinion of him. And why shouldn't VE be aware of my stance on justanothertownie? The conclusion of my clash with JAT is literally on the same page as where I asked him that question. Is he not reading the thread or something? For that matter, why shouldn't I ask VE for his opinion on a read I'm pushing? I question the purpose of VE raising any of those points. | ||
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On January 12 2014 19:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because you don't really have a stance. You call JAT out for not posting reads. Why is JAT a scumread when about 80% of the game has not posted a single read? JAT had clearly been present for a fair bit of the game but hadn't done anything which seemed like he was even interested in looking for scum. If PM evidence is presented which shows he was looking for scum in that way I will reconsider my read. If ya'll reckon that JAT not looking for scum is his standard town meta I will (disgustedly) move him to null. | ||
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On January 12 2014 19:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand why this is this hard. There are a fuckton of people who have been present but done "no scumhunting". Why is JAT scum over suchdoge, marvellosity, WoS, Mocsta, Koshi, etc.. Why you need to single out JAT and not other people? Having a scumread on him because he hasn't done shit is okay, but why him and not those others? Talked with marv and mocsta in PMs and I'm confident they're thinking about the game, hoping someone else who actually wants to deal with suchdoge in PMs will read him, have a slight townread on WoS (and he's pushing suchdoge, anyway, so your characterisation is inaccurate here), and I don't like Koshi's play so far either but I'll get to him later. If I tried to push eight lurkers at once I wouldn't get anywhere. By pushing JAT alone I've drawn reactions from him and others and moved the thread forward. (Before you ask, I'm not telling you everything I've learned from pushing JAT. Deal with it.) You still haven't explained why you think VE's town. | ||
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On January 12 2014 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Talked with VE in IRC and I'm confident they're thinking about the game. How was this not obvious when i flipped my stance in ~30min with no posts from VE at that time? Like do you think at all what reads between the lines? I don't trust your reads enough to take your word for it. If you won't show me your evidence, you're not going to convince me. Not showing me your evidence is your prerogative, I suppose, but you're hardly going to convince me to change my mind on your say-so. | ||
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On January 12 2014 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why should i trust your word? I literally quoted what you said about yuor town reads and changed names lol.. I'm not asking you to take my word for my reads on Marv and Mocsta. If you're unwilling to share your conversation with VE, then say so and stop wasting my time. | ||
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On January 12 2014 20:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are like the definition of uncooperativeness and wishy-washyness and you use same logic to not give out reads that you use on other people saying they should give out reads. lol really? I asked you a simple question (why you had a townread on VE) and you've stalled me and given me nothing useful for two pages. Talking with you really is a waste of my time. | ||
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On January 12 2014 20:06 Mocsta wrote: I'm happy to discuss this publicly to aid my scumhunting cred points. The line with Koshi is news to me. Can you walk me through this. Same as JAT really, he's posted very little useful in the thread (this is his only post with any real content at all). Especially weird since my impression of Koshi is that he typically has a lot of thread presence. | ||
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On January 12 2014 20:20 Mocsta wrote: Aquanim What do you make of Derrida response to my case. Specifically him trying to make it synonymous with a lurker lynch. Do you think a townie would respond in this fashion? I've seen stranger things from newbie town, so I think it's still possible he's town. The scummy points which stick out to me are: - Largely giving up and resigning himself to being lynched resonates with me more as a scum move, though a newbie town feeling lost in this game and not having time could conceivably do the same. Leaning scum on the balance of probabilities though. - Saying that it's a "good read" but that he "doesn't really agree with your points that makes me seem more scummy than the other inactive people" makes very little sense to me, what other points were there in your "good read"? | ||
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On January 12 2014 21:23 marvellosity wrote: As a FYI, bugs kinda laid into jat in Quiet game for "having no reads" while he was alive, both in-game and post-game. Surprised you didn't notice this given you hosted it? Or take this into account at all into your read...? ##vote: marvellosity It would be an easy playstyle to replicate if he's scum. At worst, if he's town I have hopefully communicated to him that he should have reads and make them public to convince us all of his alignment. If he does that I am quite willing to be persuaded that I am incorrect in my present read, if that is in fact the case. I'm rapidly finding the alternatives unpalatable so ##vote: marvellosity | ||
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On January 13 2014 08:09 marvellosity wrote: Can anyone find a single suspicion in VE's filter other than a vague mention of Captain Obvious? Does that even make VE in particular scummy? Well when I PM'd him (it's pasted in the thread somewhere) VE said he was suspicious of you (Marv) and Mocsta, but he'd had difficulty convincing anyone else. When I asked him for his reasons, he stone-walled me. Can anybody else report that VE actually mentioned these reads on Mocsta or Marv to them, and that he actually tried to convince them? | ||
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