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On December 10 2013 13:34 bumatlarge wrote: Are there a lot of new players in this game? My analysis of the player list suggests that this is a true statement. On December 10 2013 11:19 Corazon wrote: God you are ridiculous. Why are you trying to annoy me out of the game? Assume I am worth trusting when I say that you need to chill. Your passions are cute but will not help town win. On the contrary they will damage town atmosphere. Allow others to play the game. Allow yourself to play. Could you explain how you eliminated myself, bumatlarge, jarjar and 'roni from possible lynches for the day when none of us had posted? I'm aware that I am the most town player to have ever existed as according to my meta posting more than one sentence in the game makes me town. That isn't the point though. I couldn't be the most town before posting so where did I go as a lynch option. Why are you so sure that purple/Xat/HF must be the only possible lynches for the day? Alakslam: I'm ignoring your short lived vote on me, if that the right thing to do? What would the kingfisher king think of you for your sacrilegious attack against the wanderer? | ||
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On December 10 2013 09:31 Holyflare wrote: Slam/kush can get shot later if needs be (already confirmed we definitely have vig's) because you can't actually determine alignment from trolling/lurking/playing their own game like they are doing. As for you, you have 2 pages of filter. The first half of page 1 is questioning people. Did you get any reads based off of their answers/posting style or not? The rest of your page and a half are all slamcentric. I understand that you are in a not so good mood but what have you determined about the current state of affairs? I wanted this in another post. A message to Holyflare and Xatalos: do not direct vig shots which you neither know exist nor know how to direct. You have both entered onto my radar for your directives and, to any vigis which may exist please do not listen to the above named posters. I have an early town read on kush and am interested in Alak but do not believe either is a good shot at this time in the game. | ||
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1) kush is acting in such a way which reduces his thread power later in the game 2) a potential late game scum player wants some power 3) if kush is scum he is a potential late game scum player 4) kush is not scum playing for the late game 5) kush is not scum playing for the early game 6) nothing kush does benefits him if he is scum 7) kush is town | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:48 Plutarch wrote: Its somewhat convoluted but the basics are as follows: 1) kush is acting in such a way which reduces his thread power later in the game 2) a potential late game town player wants some power 3) if kush is town he is a potential late game town player 4) kush is not town playing for the late game 5) kush is not town playing for the early game 6) nothing kush does benefits him if he is town 7) kush is scum You noticing something here? Yes I am. I'm noticing that I disagree with you. A town player doesn't usually think about pushing a lynch in late game, the second point, because a town player is sure they they will be pushing a scum lynch and being right is all a town player needs. Thread influence is second fiddle to accurate reads. People like kush believe this. Nothing kush does benefits him as town seems to be true in his town games. His scum games have direction and pride. Kush has no pride here. | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:49 Plutarch wrote: Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all. Or I am better than you. I have the read and you have not refuted it. | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:52 Holyflare wrote: Have you even read the game? Vig's are guarenteed in the setup and it's not "directing" vig shots. Threat of vig shot = threat of dying and if they are town they will stop trolling/step it up as I assume people enter this game to win. I think you're mistaking direction with pressure. You are correct, at least one Vigi does exist. My mistake. I misread [UoN]'s post as indicating that the roles were merely possible not a given. On seeing your post I reread his filter to refute you. Turns out you had it right. My B. | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:53 VayneAuthority wrote: not to mention that in TL Noire before kush got replaced out he was playing this lurky playstyle thing and his slot was scum Like these high quality posts which were all attempts at looking like he was doing something. And not at all similar to how he has been posting this game? On September 21 2013 11:35 kushm4sta wrote: fuck it makes me really mad when people policy vote me! like it makes me want to troll just to spite them. On September 21 2013 12:39 kushm4sta wrote: how the fuck do i make a case on someone when it's like an hour into the game?? On September 22 2013 11:29 kushm4sta wrote: also when is the lynch | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:58 Plutarch wrote: Doubtful. What I am saying is that you have provided justification that kush is town and the entire reasoning that you provided can be used to justify both a town and a scum kush, thus, your justification is flawed and every reason you stated for kush to be town is in fact a null tell. No in fact it cannot suggest a town or scum kush. The facts of the game thus far have one good interpretation and one sup optimal interpretation which you are using to suggest my read is invalid. You are ignoring the non-trivial nature of the different ways scum and town think about the game. Scum try to justify lynches, often by gaining thread presence. Town do not. So far you have fought Corazon's scum case on Xatalos and my town case on Kush and yet you have not provided reads on either of those players. You have chosen to tear down cases and build up none of your own. Sit back on those heavy haunches of yours and remember that you have to make reads as well as talk shit. | ||
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Cor's first post was atrocious, you'll have no arguments from me on that front. His follow up as been too attention grabbing for me to desire to vote him on day one. He is worth pressuring though and I need to understand him more to get a real read on him which I would be willing to commit to. Xatalos pooped on everyone in a dumb way early in the game. Alienating that many players as scum early on is unwise, he loses too much support for his lynch should he do that. It makes me uncomfortable to lynch him day one. I still need to know more of course but for now I find him non lynchable, Also there is a thing about him which suggests non-scum. I haven't decided if it suggests Sebastian the crab or town but it does suggest non-town. As of this moment I have not yet found a player I am willing to lynch. You can tell by the way my vote has not yet fallen on anyone. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:22 Plutarch wrote: Basically what you are saying is that even though your reasoning is flawed and you cannot provide better reasoning, your reasoning for him being town is good. And my reasoning for him being null is bad. Yet you cannot state why other than mentioning some non-specific facts of the game. I am more than aware of the differences in a scum and town mindset and I am telling you that there is no way you can tell. Do I think he is scum? I don't know. Do I think he is town? I don't know. And neither should you. Further, I have played in many games with kush and I can tell you that he is more than capable of this style of play as both alignments. What is odd though, is that you are defending a town read that is at best a large stretch to the hilt. And time and again people who provide town reads that I cant quite understand and who aren't able to provide solid reasons for those reads are scum. This kush read is very scummy. It isn't but I don't really care, Kush is likely town and I'm not willing to lynch him day one. I'll reassess him day two when more content exists. For now he appears town to me. Look On December 10 2013 07:03 kushm4sta wrote: Sorry but I'm doing a lurk strat this game! I disagree that it will ruin the game though. I don't think this post is possible as a scum player. Kush brings out his lurking from the beginning and makes the rest of the thread aware that he is planning on lurking. This is not something that a scum wants. It draws unnecessary attention and weakens his thread position. If you aren't interested in lynching Kush I have no interest in continuing this conversation. Since you are voting me I assume you have no intention of lynching Kush we can move on. Can you explain to me why you shut down the case from Cor on Xatalos but did not provide a counter read. All you did was tear it down, why? | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:29 Holyflare wrote: So, then what do you think on the points that I/LSB raised on sidesprang's introduction to the thread? Also, just because they are not good lynches does not mean you can't elaborate on your reads on them, especially as they were both mentioned on your entry and are part of current events. You've given the information now so why was it that it needed to be dug for rather than your free kush town read and your need to look at alak more read? I found them unimportant. Noting I had to say had been unsaid by the thread on the subjects of those two players. Things I had to say on Kush had been left unsaid. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:33 VayneAuthority wrote: I will say though that playing as scum last game you probably realize that Slam basically adds another scum to the game as either alignment. So I'm fine with lynching him regardless unless something very convincing goes down. Why do you prefer a policy lynch on Alakaslam over an attempt to lynch scum. What benefit do you see town gaining from this policy lynch over an honest attempt to find scum. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:34 Plutarch wrote: Basically XigXag is saying he doesn't think Xatalos or Cora are good lynches then goes on to agree that cora was scummy and list scummy things about both. But makes sure he doesn't commit to a read. Oh and he doesn't know who he wants to lynch yet. Basically the scummiest most wishy-washy post in existence. In fact the only non wishy-washy thing he has posted is an inexplicable town read on kush that he hard defends based off absolutely nothing. Which in itself is scummy. Xigxag is scum. yes, yes. Very nice. You don't like me. I get it. Instead of being useless by attacking me why don't you answer the question I've asked you twice now, It matters to my read on you. Along with that talk with me about Vayne. Vayne brought up Noir and when I looked at Noir and suggested that Kush was playing differently than he was there Vayne said to ignore Noir because of ## What has Vayne's goal been with his posting? To appear involved. Not to find scum. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:38 Plutarch wrote: It's nothing personal. Just my job to find scum. And you happen to be scum. Both my role pm and I disagree with you. Talk to me about Vayne. He is advocating a policy lynch, has attempted to appear active and yet has not done anything with that activity. He is suggesting I read another thread and when I did he says that thread is invalid due to yet another thread. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:40 Holyflare wrote: So you found the two players who have the most votes in the game at the moment unimportant to comment on at all? Are you just intentionally wanting to play oblivious to current events or what? You also mention in your entry post that Slam was "needed to be looked at more" and now you discredit that he could actually be scum too? Why is lynching slam not an attempt to lynch scum? I just said. Everything I had to say about X/C had already been said. I had nothing to add to the thread on either one so I refrained from adding nothing to the thread. I won't be voting for either one because I do not find them scummy; even though Plutarch would like to suggest that I do. Both did scummy things. Neither is scummy to me. Slam could be scum. He needs to be looked at more because I have no idea what his alignment is. Lynching Slam is not an attempt to lynch scum because its a stated policy lynch. Are you reading the game or trying to find ways to attack me? If you want to call me scum do it. If you want to pussy foot around suggesting that I'm scummy just stop. Its embarrassing. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:46 VayneAuthority wrote: I will clarify the ## thing, as it's a case of timeline Noire was played, kush did his thing etc ## was played after it, which is the game that kush decided to stop posting angrily and take it easy So that is why comparing his playstyle to pre- ## and post ## is not a good idea atm So why did you bring it up as a comparison? What is it you were trying to convey with the reference to that game and immediate retraction of the same. Look Plutarch. I would like to think you are scum for this but I don't. Which means you are trying to incite an angry response from me to see how genuine my emotions feel. Cool. Since you seem town and I am town can I suggest that if you truly think I am scum you don't post useless one liners about it. They damage thread atmosphere and will not help an eventual town victory. If you truly think I am scum make a case and convince others. While you do that I am going to continue to try to figure out if what Vayne is doing is because he is scum or because I have no idea how his brain works. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:51 Holyflare wrote: I'm not doing any suggesting, I'm questioning your thought process. Nothing that you just stated in regards to Xant and Cora has been said in the thread at all so I don't think you understand my confusion. To downplay something as "embarrassing" when someone is trying to discern information from someone else is funny though. LSB already said it: both talky muchy neither swingy soony. Clear? That is all which was useful that I had to say about them. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:52 Plutarch wrote: Is xigxag new or a smurf? for fifty dollars an hour xigxag will be anything you want. | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:53 VayneAuthority wrote: not to mention that in TL Noire before kush got replaced out he was playing this lurky playstyle thing and his slot was scum On December 10 2013 16:46 VayneAuthority wrote: I will clarify the ## thing, as it's a case of timeline Noire was played, kush did his thing etc ## was played after it, which is the game that kush decided to stop posting angrily and take it easy So that is why comparing his playstyle to pre- ## and post ## is not a good idea atm I just cannot reconcile these two thoughts with each other. They do not align in any way. One says that because of Noir Kush's play here could be scum, the second says that Noir was before ## and therefore cannot be applied to this game. The timeline thing would be fine if Vayne had not directed me towards Noir himself. Vayne's suggestion of looking at Kush's meta suggests to me that it is his goal to appear to be an active participant in this game while not in fact working towards a correct scum lynch. His attempt to dissuade my town read on kush suggests that if Vayne is scum kush is not. I find it impossible for both of the above posts to come from the same townie thinking in the same way. ##Vote: VayneAuthority | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:59 Holyflare wrote: So why do you insinuate that you don't talk about anything unless it is vital to the thread that hasn't been said already but then you raise points about slam that he shouldn't be lynched and needs to be looked at. Why Slam over anyone else and how does that fit into this playstyle that you have created for yourself? He has been talked about quite a bit after all. Alakaslam referenced one of my favorite pieces of writing. I referenced it back to him. There you have it. The whole thing. | ||
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On December 10 2013 17:06 Plutarch wrote: Why do you have a town read on me Xigxag? It is natural as town to feel like the person attacking you is scum. After all, you know you are town and this person is wrong and attacking you. And yet you have given me a town read without justification. What reasoning can you provide for yet another town read? Your play, you are niggling over and over on a thing that doesn't feel right to you. You are self confident in a non-scum way "lol look at him squirm" since inciting a big fight with a townie is counter productive to scum agenda and I am a big fan of your answer when I asked you why you didn't build up a case you didn't flounder you simply stated that you didn't know what was right, only what was wrong. It suggested someone who was objectively reading cases and, if they had an issue with that case, making the issue known. All in all it seems likely that you are town. If you are scum you are one of the top scum players I've ever seen. So I'm going to assume that ockham had it right and you are town. | ||
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On December 10 2013 17:23 Plutarch wrote: I don't understand. How can you justify this read so well and then do the complete opposite for the kush read. For the record. This is a good read. That kush read was awful. But this post seems awfully townie so I think I will unvote for now. ##unvote If you could let me know if you are a smurf or not that would be helpful. Whether or not you agree with me the kush read is as well thought out and supported by the facts * Rayn the Pelican: what is it about Purple's particular lack of contribution that makes him a better lynch than say the pasta duo of beefaroni and spaghetti *unless Kush flips mafia in which case I was totes trolling with that read because I am always right. Even when I'm not. | ||
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On December 10 2013 17:38 Plutarch wrote: This is wrong. Absolutely and complete. Now you seem scummy again. do we have to dance the dance again? we disagree on kush. I have him right now as probable town look at him again d2, I don't believe he is getting lynched he sure isn't getting nightkilled so why don't we move on and readdress this later. Mr Pelican: I find your poorly formatted case decently persuasive. I am not opposed to the purple lynch. | ||
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Likely scum so far Holyflare-he was tossing shit on me while I was a target of choice and now that I'm totes town he has fucked off and hidden Vayne-for what I said already Purple-for what The Pelican just said | ||
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Blame my absence on the alcohol. | ||
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On December 10 2013 09:15 VayneAuthority wrote: I would rather enjoy myself and lose then not enjoy it, hence why I am voting you alakaslam, scum or not. I do not care about lynching scum if im not having fun in the first place, that comes first. The above post reads as a scum attempt to create a mislynch which will not reflect back onto that scum. On December 10 2013 11:04 VayneAuthority wrote: what word did you mean to write? and yea the first thing I thought of while reading that sidesprang post is "lol going to keep an eye on him after I get rid of the less desirables" This posts sets up a follow up lynch on a weak player. I do not believe that an experienced mafia player would assume that all the scum are weak and therefore would not only attack weak players. A scum however can lynch only weak players and shoot the strong ones. On December 10 2013 12:47 VayneAuthority wrote: I think 3 of the 4 scum has posted, one is still lurking I am putting this post in not because I think it shows town or scum mindset but because I have no idea what it means or why it was posted. If anyone Vayne or otherwise, can explain it to me I'd be happy with that. Onto the thing which first caught my attention from Vayne, my interactions with him where he sent me on a wild goose case into a filter which he followed up by totally disregarding Kush's play from the filter he sent me to read. On December 10 2013 15:53 VayneAuthority wrote: not to mention that in TL Noire before kush got replaced out he was playing this lurky playstyle thing and his slot was scum On December 10 2013 16:13 VayneAuthority wrote: Noire was before ##. In Noire he was still angry. During the course of the ## game he took a step back and posts much more docile now. On December 10 2013 16:46 VayneAuthority wrote: I will clarify the ## thing, as it's a case of timeline Noire was played, kush did his thing etc ## was played after it, which is the game that kush decided to stop posting angrily and take it easy So that is why comparing his playstyle to pre- ## and post ## is not a good idea atm This explanation rings false. I looked into ## mafia and Kush played there as a smurf. Of course he was playing differently than the usual way that he plays. Ins't that the purpose of playing as a smurf? To disregard the meta that Vayne himself brought up suggests to me that Vayne is scum and Kush is town. I defended Kush, an easy mislynch, for little to no reason which Vayne could understand so he assumed it would be easy to discredit my town read and did so with the use of meta. Vayne's meta use which he did not believe in can not come form a townie. A town player uses meta to substantiate reads, not justify them. At this point I hope you can see why I believe that Vayne is scum. He is pushing weak or non-existent reads to lynch trolly players who are. statistically speaking, probably town. He is discrediting town reads on those players with meta he does not believe is valid. He is trying to justify lynches not find scum. Vayne uses his focus on Alak to ignore all other people in the game. He does not submit opinions on anyone but the two easily lynchable trolls. And his opinion on BOTH is scum. Vayne is pushing for lynches, but not scum lynches. He is attacking two players who will not go away for a while, will never be nightkilled and who, if they flip town, he can simply say "woops, they looked scummy" without commenting on anything else in the game. On December 12 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote: it's not ridiculous at all if you consider how I play mafia. I KILL these kind of players at night because I find it more enjoyable to play with people that can actually scumhunt and try to trick them. Between that and my blue kill sniping I don't see how it is farfetch'd at all. Based on my reading of ## this is supported. And Holyflare flipped doc. Not much of a point but a bit of one. Even when Vayne finally reads someone besides Alak it is Spag, based on Alak, On December 12 2013 02:33 VayneAuthority wrote: Yea he was one of the first to want to lynch Slam so I have him as town until further notice. this read is suggestive in that it was correct and based on an astoundingly lacking reasoning. Even if Vayne was town and beliieved that all townies should want to lynch Alak day one why should he assume that Spag was a player good enough to recognize that? Why shouldn't Spag be scum looking to secure a decent mislynch. Vayne knows that no one/not many people play like him and Spag has never been the same as him in the past so why should Spag be town read for this? He shouldn't, and yet he is town read. Vayne is scum. On December 13 2013 06:06 VayneAuthority wrote: that's what I was trying to figure out. it doesn't specify what the zerg uses so he may have been shot by the vig and mafia since we have no roleblocker. !!!!!! We have/had a doc. But Vayne Knows that Holy was shot by scum. The only reason to assume that is because you know where the scum shot went. Vayne is scum. | ||
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On December 12 2013 15:18 Coagulation wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/l9chR3K.png) based on the meta displayed in the ongoing PYP game which was the first scum game I could find of his this seems to be true. so far since I began my reread: Vayne Coag more to follow | ||
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On December 13 2013 06:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've got plenty of friends that are mentally ill. It's pretty equal to discriminating on sexual orientation and all that. Worst part of it is that he's unwilling to apologize over it. Fuck that attitude. my best friend is black, you can't use that kind of language. ...get over it and read Vayne on his posts. Not his insulting use of the word downs. | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote: You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"? To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy. It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch. ##Vote: LSB Barney's inability to recognize the joke in LSB's post worries me. The self conscious way he reacts to an early throw away vote suggests scum to me. No townie reads LSB's post and thinks "oh no! He is going to lynch me for being a smurf! Must OMGus!" On December 10 2013 07:37 purpletrator wrote: [/plan] If we lynch a roleblocker we can look at playing follow the cop I guess I do really like this post in some ways while I don't like it in others. bullet points good things: 1 shutting down bad plans 2 simplicity, doesn't try to grab town cred with this post bad things: 1. shuts down a plan based on a possible scum role 2. is very aware of scum PRs. Barney is either well versed in OP reading or is scum. Your guess is as good as mine. On December 10 2013 08:46 purpletrator wrote: Can we appeal to the vig(s) to shoot kush and/or slam for us? missed this on my first read through. I hate hate hate hate hate hate this play. Vigis are better than this. I'd think. Though I'd prefer either of the above players be gone over our doc. Whatever. Without solid reasons for either why they are scum or why town is better off without them all Barney does is try to direct town KP towards, probable, townies over it being directed at scum. On December 10 2013 08:55 purpletrator wrote: i went to look at LSB's old games, only actually looked at PYP which is still ongoing and decided I'd seen enough to unvote him. What the shit is this? Why look at a game from an un-flipped player? Reading alignments from that game is totally useless unless the player is dead in said game in which case the read is still tenuous. Why even bring this up in thread? No reason at all. Therefore scummy. On December 10 2013 13:47 purpletrator wrote: Well since you understood your own post, of course you wont see a point to attacking it. I think it was fake, I just dont know if it was fake or fake this post! This post says nothing! It accuses while it backtracks. If Barney thought that Plutarch was scum he could act on that. If he thought Plu was town he could act on that. But he does neither. He simply says that the post is a lie. Barney's post is a lie, it has no town motivation. There is no reason to post this except to appear as if you are thinking about the game. The above post is a total waste of space. An IGMEOY with added fluff. On December 12 2013 02:56 purpletrator wrote: So kush you wont tell me why you had/have me as town? I do like this post. I like a player who niggles at the little things that don't make sense even when those little things benefit the player. This is a more minor point because it is in relation to Kush and not someone whose opinion would be valued by others but it does provide some suggestion of a townie dinosaur. On December 12 2013 03:03 purpletrator wrote: It was me, and it was because you'd mentioned it then said you'd make a case on Xata: I find it incredibly odd that Xata isnt in your notes This too suggests town. An insignificant detail which is being niggled at for all the right reasons. On December 12 2013 05:18 purpletrator wrote: cora better have notes.... ##Unvote: Corazon ##Vote: Spaghetticus ...I was so ready to say that this dino was a town dino. Now I'm not sure. Although it seems that Cora was no longer a possible lynch. So I can get behind Purple being probably town. so far since I began my reread: Vayne Coag purpletrator Corazon - vig | ||
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I am avoiding a possible mod kill with this vote. Actual analysis will follow when I return from work. | ||
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