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-------- About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town. He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me". And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town. I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at. ------- @Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating. | ||
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On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote: I really really do not like this post as an entry post: A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora. B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet? C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything. Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you? A) I might be blind but I dont see you mention everything I mentioned, but if I still find it scummy would I not be allowed to say it ? B) I don't see a reason for voting anyone yet, he is deffo looking scummy but It's still early in D1. C) The point about Xatalos was a plea to the Town that people should rather focus on more quality over quantity when posting. Can I not do that in a non-inquisitive manner? I said I just used him as an example. About Xatalos, I deffo dont like his opening. He goes after Cora and Kush which I think its fine, but also goes after Slam and Spag which had barely spoken and had not said anything scummy. So Artanis evaluation of him fits nicely, tho I wont say he is mafia because of it. He might just do it to start discussion, as he says he likes all the action happning here. I dont and will keep an eye on him. And his defence was kinda just meta, "saying that is how he plays", and I dont know the guy. Might be true might not be. I dont like meta defences and its another thing that will make me keep an eye on him. | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:35 LSB wrote: General comments: purpletrator is being incredibly defensive and showing off as paranoid to me xatalos has been powerplaying quite hard day 1, and typically lynches of major town voices go badly day 1. Push Post Personally I think the most important post so far is this I've already mentioned how I felt the initial read of Cora was incredibly forced. This can easily attributed to Holyflare's overeagerness. What is important to keep an eye out are the bandwagoners. Or the "bait and switch" approach. Make a flimsy case, wait for someone to quickly jump on your plan, and finger the bandwagoner as mafia. The logic behind this is that very few townies would be willing to push a bad lynch, but a mafia would be willing to push many lynches on greenies regarless of the contents of the lynches. Indeed he continues his bandwagony attitude. Although there have only been two posts from him, bait and switch has a 100% success rate (n = 1), and I might as well go with it. I am seriously concerned about his willingness to support lynches without contributing much personal insights. ##unvote ##Vote; sidesprang Okay I see I'm off to a rocky start. You might say I'm bandwagoning because I did not have any insight that I came up with myself, but it was the only read I had. Would you rather I stay silent? And I'm not willing to push for a lynch on Cora and Xatalos, I thought I made it clear I did in no way find them scummy enough to vote on yet. I dont like to fling my vote around without justification, and if I did so it would only make me look scummy. And for the second post I dont really see how you can say im bandwagoning, I was asked a question and I answered, I had no intentions of going after Xatalos at all. And now that grack and rayn basically said it was normal play for it. I will just assume that he inteded to create some discussion. | ||
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On December 10 2013 20:27 Holyflare wrote: Go read him now and respond when you have done so. Well after rereading Cora he got a bad start and I feel he might have problems playing how he wanted to play as he is getting attacked from a lot of people. Your first point is valid yet, still to early to fault him for not going after lurkers, especially considering the heat he had on him. So for me to get a better read on Cora he needs talk more, and specificaly tell us why he finds you and purple suspicous. I would also like to ask if his views on Xatolas has changed at all, considering all this meta talk. | ||
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On December 11 2013 04:12 JarJarDrinks wrote: My point was that I wanted to know if anyone had comments on it and I wanted to know people thought of sidespring. Pretty sure that was implied. I'm reading sidespring as scum and would like to know if other people are as well. You think that asking people vote for yourself is alignment nuetral? Great, I agree that a person doing that doesn't help tell you what their alignment is. What I'm saying though is that it's anti-(whatever alignment that person is). So to say it's anti-town seems to imply that the person saying it is town. So before you call my point shit, make sure you understand what I'm saying. Exactly I currently view everyone as town, people have done scummy things. But no one are scum In my eyes yet, if so I would have voted for em. So why I would phrase that in any other way I really do not know, and tbh you just seem desperate to find something that is not there. | ||
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On December 11 2013 05:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: This sentence: Please tell me your reason for stating it. Does cora voting for himself make him more likely to be scum? Cause that's what I assummed you were getting at. Imo doing that is in general more scummy than town yes, which was why I brought it up. When I look back at I dont feel he looks more scummy for doing that. I guess my logic mostly applies to stronger attacks and defences. | ||
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VayneAuthority: Seems to have very little content, and frankly not even a desire to hunt scum at all. I got the impression that he was an experienced mafia player and would thus expect more of him. He is basically tunnelvisioning on the easiest target and dont really provide much outside of that. He said he was memory banking stuff and would come back later day 1. I hope he will provide something else than just slam before the day is over. ##Vote VayneAuthority Alakaslam: A lot have been said about him allready, he stated before the game that he would play like this, so I will give him that. The question is just can we actually understand what he is trying to tell us. I kinda feel there is something there and if we crack the code we might be able to understand him, maybe it will ger easier if we get a few flips. But however if he is scum it will be very dangerous cause he can just send us on a wild goosechase and still just act like hes doing now and we will be non the wiser. I feel his playstyle forces us to kill him if we dont wanna deal with him, or use a cop check on him if we wanna keep him alive. Unless someone feels they can actually get something out of him ? JarJarDrinks : I dont like this guy atm, might just be because he went after me. But in his filter he says he finds zeroing in on details scummy, and thats what he's been doing half his post. And his case against me with the "anti-town" thing I just find very very weak. I kinda get the feeling he's trying to pick some low hanging fruit with the way he's saying "hey look at this". Purpletrator: Not really said anything I liked, fillered a lot first half and the fucked off. Said he would be back with more, hopefully that is soon. People I like as town atm is Holy for providing a lot of analysis and in general bringing up good points, if he by some odd chance are mafia we should be able to nail him later days because he got loads of info out there. I also like kush and Xata, I in general agree with a lot of what they are saying and they are playing very pro town imo. I know some people wanted to lynch me, I felt I explained myself allready. So if you want me to elaborate you need to specify on what. Random fluff: My name is Sidesprang, not Sidespring. And in Norway we are in general not bad in english, and I hope my posts dont reek bad english ![]() | ||
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On December 11 2013 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Interesting. If you like what Xatalos has said why do you seem to not have a read on Artanis because that's what Xatalos has mostly talked about? I dont see why I need to have a scumread on Artanis just because I townread Xata, In general I townread Xata because he is scumhunting, and he is scumhunting in a decent way IMO, not like LSD. He also brought up some good pro-town points regarding not lynching slam, which if you were mafia I dont see any reason to do (unless slam is mafia which I rate as a 4/18 probabiltiy for). On December 11 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: sidesprang could you elaborate more on this in detail: Kush is mostly my gut, I feel he is going after the right people, poking them when he sees something, and in general have valid points. | ||
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What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things. One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate. So my thought is VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia VA = Town-> susp votes = town Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of. Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes. I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first. | ||
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1. His play so far, has pretty much just been tunneling one guy at the time, trying to bandwagon me for the most part. The problem is, if he is town or mafia its just bad play in general. And its hard to see the difference between bad town and bad mafia imo. 2. And pretty much whatever he flips I dont really see us learning much, which I don't like. I could get with this lynch D1, but a misslynch at this point where we gain little information will be dangerous. Artanis is another popular target, but I dont really see him very scummy. Just by reading his filter my gut just say's towny. He was also one of the few that defended Cora, and he also got some heat for doing so. His defence felt honest and towny, and I'm not sure a mafia would do that. Coag is a guy I think we should all take a look at and pressure into giving some oppinions. His filter ATM is just a bunch of one liners with hardly any meaning. He jumps on LSB without really explaining anything, or giving any personal insight. Pandain the guy he replaced did not really do anything either to look towny. Anyone have some history with this guy they can share ? | ||
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On December 14 2013 20:42 Xatalos wrote: I haven't been very successful in reading rayn in the past. He feels pretty townie though (even that paranoia for Plutarch seems quite townie IMO). I see no point in even discussing lynching him at this point. LSB seemed like a good lynch earlier, but there's one issue that bothers me. Essentially it's that I agree on his points about purple, and after closely reading through sidesprang's filter, I think sidesprang is actually more scummy than LSB. Firstly, there's this "bait and switch" that LSB mentioned: This is basically the most non-committal bandwagon move in the whole game. He just half-heartedly joins the bandwagon while keeping his options open (either to vote for Cora or to forget about the whole thing). I also dislike him calling Corazon "anti-town" rather than "scummy". It shows a mindset where he doesn't really believe Corazon to be scum, but rather believes him to be an anti-town townie (or that's how it seems like). Still, it's another point against Corazon without even calling him scum for it. I allready answered this, I said I did not find Cora to be behaving scummy at that time but I did not belive him to be scum. And i'm a bit suprised you have a problem with this, It's basically the same thing you are doing with LSB atm, only my scum % on cora was way less than your 60% on LSB. His posts are just so... defensive, weak and non-committal. Like this very weak read on JarJar (that's even partly OMGUS). Overall he's been very passive and flying under the radar for the whole game. And he seems to be content with that situation, not even trying to play pro-actively. This was the last guy I mentioned there and also therefor my weakest scumread at the time. He was not scum to me at the time, I just thought his behaviour and his comment about zeroing in on details was worth mentioning at the time. This post.... At first I only focused my attention on the VA theory, but actually the worrying part is the bolded one. It pretty much says "I won't be voting until I can bandwagon on someone easily". Not exactly in those words, but that's basically what it means (especially combined with the fact that he has been lurking all D2). I wouldn't be surprised if he just came back later today to park his vote on some popular lynch target. I must say I really like this comment, When D1 I voted semi early on Vayne, which was definetly not a bustarget at that moment, and you came in late and "parked" your vote on the popular lynch target. - - - - So basically I agree with LSB's reads, which makes me not really want to lynch him at the moment. I think I'd prefer Artanis, sidesprang or purple. Specifically Artanis and sidesprang look bad. How many players would be willing to lynch Artanis? Or sidesprang or purple? | ||
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On December 12 2013 07:02 VayneAuthority wrote: To be clear we don't have time to waste on alakaslam now so I'm ignoring him from now on scum or not. Real game starts after the flip tomorrow, see you then. This would make me think he would actually start playing, and mb he just did not bother to much D1 cause it's a bit random and chances of getting scum is not high anyhows. But he still have not really done much Day 2. I will try to find some previous games of him and see If I can get something out of that. ##Vote VayneAuthority | ||
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On December 14 2013 22:15 Xatalos wrote: Your vote on VA is pretty much the definition of "parking" a vote. It had no meaning, you didn't push him, it just sat there without any use. And you still haven't done anything to push a vote today either. Are you planning to? Fair enough (about the JarJar read). Well, it's true that my stance on LSB is a bit similar to your stance on Corazon. However, it's much more worrying in your case, since you haven't really done anything else besides that. Or you have posted some reads, but you haven't impacted the game in any way. You've just defended yourself a bit and posted a couple of reads. If VA didn't exist, who would you want to lynch? How did my vote on VA not have a meaning D1, he almost got lynched! Then suddenly there was a huge shift onto spag with like less than 1h left of the day. I posted my thoughts about how the votes went down, and I think a VA lynch can give us some good leads. If VA was not in the game, and all connections to him dont exsist. I would most likely go for purp, tho some of my reasonings for him is also him defending vayne, so cant say that for certain. I would have read more into rayne, I really did not like how he handled the plut thing, but when I read his filter I did not really find anything more. And if nothing of those panned out I would prolly vote for LSB. But now we're getting way further than I can predict ![]() | ||
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On December 14 2013 22:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Btw all the votes on Vayne are lazy as fuck. You think a LSB vote is less lazy ? | ||
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D1: He does nothing, tunnelvisions on slam, the easiest safest target to go on in the start. Just a policy lynch, if it goes through it dont tell us anything about Vayne regardless of how it flips. N1: Tells us day 2 is when the real game will start. D2: Does nothing despite the real game having started, goes on the easiest safest target to go on again LSB. Dont provide any insight. Is more disruptive than helpfull to the town. That is why I wanna lynch Vayne. He is like an Day 1 Alakaslam just without speaking in code. The fact that If we lynch him we can learn from his flip, is just a bonus. If you read my filter and put the pieces togheter you could have seen this. But I guess I also could have put this case togheter when making the vote. Did not really take me that long ![]() | ||
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I made this to try to see if it was possible to find some scummy / nonscummy votes, seeing as how it went kinda fast I would not be suprised if some scum player panicked a bit. Voting patter last hour The votes closed 22:00 my time, and I only bothered doing it for 1h back. | ||
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IF vayne = town -> artanis = town. Alakaslam deffo seem a bit wierd with how much he changed his vote and that late vote off from purp, but you can also see at one point he gave purple the lead. So it's a bit confusing why he would do that as scum. Oh and BTW, Please feel free to double check it. Tho the count I have in the sheet do seem to make up to the same as the mods counted. | ||
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Man was sure we would lose 2 out of rayn, plut or blazing. This is pretty good. | ||
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On December 16 2013 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was kinda hoping you would contribute something? You did the vote stuff on N1 start and gave some weak ass analysis and dropped off the earth for the rest of the phase just to appear on D3 start. Do you have anything constructive to say? If you expect long analysis and stuff from me then you will prolly be dissapointed. I'm not that guy, and i'm not on that level either. I tell what I see, my two biggest scumreads was Vayne and Purple, purple is now confirmed scum and Vayne is looking really bad aswell. About the voting thing I made it because I thought there might be something interesting there. But I was kinda dissapointed when I was done cause I did not really find much, would you rather I keep it secret cause I did not find anything. I still think it's better to share, mb some other guys can find something (or just save time trying to count the votes themselves). The only real point apart from the obvious stuff (you / plut and mb artanis coming out more town) is that I think alakaslam is more likely to be town aswell. I dont think a mafia would have voted that way, he had his vote on xigxag which he could have easily kept there or even pushed for LSB which might had stopped the purp train from even starting. | ||
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On December 16 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote: sorry on phone plz link to where purp is conf scum ty He died and he flipped as mafia :O | ||
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The only thing that imidiatly strikes my mind when finding out that Vayne was town is that now Artanis is looking towny because of his vote (switching from vayne -> purple as the second guy with 9 minutes left), which I just dont think he would do as scum. | ||
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That being said I might get behind a xigxag lynch, I did not like his analysis on purple. Might be a bit biased now that I know purple was scum, tho I got the feeling he was that before the flip and so did a lot of others. ATM i'm thinking the best lynches are Grack Xata then Xigxag / coag, tho I really wish we had more information from those two. | ||
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On December 17 2013 03:14 Xatalos wrote: Right.. Don't you think that LSB has posted barely more than XigXag - and what LSB has posted has been way more suspicious? Well, LSB atleast got purple correct, so he got that going for him. How he has acted outside of that I would agree is not very towny, he could have fought better for his cases and presented them better. I just find it hard to believe a mafia member would act that way, I also dont think an SK would be that reckless. I'm not trying to say he's town, I just dont really buy that he's scum either atm. | ||
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Link to post I dont know how long the bans are for, trying to find now. | ||
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Going with worst case, Misslynch today and 2 town kills tonight. then we are down to 8 4 town 3 mafia 1 SK Which makes us having to lynch scum and not SK or lose I guess. Then we can mb get into the next day with 2 town 2 mafia 1 sk Which makes us having to lynch scum again and not sk or lose. 1 town 1 mafia 1 sk. = lost. Of course all this assumes perfect mafia / sk kills. But we are at potential lynch or lose if coag flips town I think. | ||
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1. He did not leave any breadcrumbs for like the first idk 30 hours of this day, and also they were very weak. The breadcrum on Vayne I buy tho. Would be a very nice breadcrumb. 2. Why did you claim? We were gonna lynch Xata = confirmed scum, and Xata tried to "talk" to the SK and told him that Scum were gonna lynch SK (aka plutarch). So if you kept quiet, we would have lynchd xata, and woken up to only 1 kill from SK tomorrow, no mafia kills and an alive Plutarch. Your case against plutarch tomorrow would have been foolproof, no way he could have defended himself against that if you claimed tomorrow. 3. There was no way you were gonna die this night. So you could have gotten one more safe check without problems. | ||
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Things deffo did not go down the way I thought it would. But it seems like SK helped us out a fair bit. If what grack is saying is true, we have a 2/3 chance of winning. The SK have to be between me/LSB/JJD. I'm more suspect of JJD tho its mostly my gut, I will try to find something by some filterdiving. Also is it possible to shorten the days? I kinda feel we got the game almost solved and we dont need to use a week or whatever on finding out who is SK between us 3. | ||
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On December 19 2013 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: If we could rule out one of sidespring/LSB/JJD it would be cool because it would ensure we win.. Not you too, SidesprAng god damnit. | ||
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If grack is telling truth and cop is either JJD or LSB we win (should still not claim yet because grack can be lying), if cop is not JJD or LSB then we have a chance of losing. Hopefuly cop have some usefull chekcs, altho we cant really trust them since there is a possibility that SK is green on checks. But it's gonna be like 2/3 chance of winning and hopefully we can use some logic and cop reads to figure it out a bit better. If grack is lying, the SK can be any of us 5, and then we need to rely on cop even more. Therefor he should deffo not claim before the last minute so the chance of him surviving untill tomorrow is pretty good. Cop knows best who he has checked or not, and I dont think it's wise to guide a cop who to check, since SK get bigger chance of hitting that check. Tho pretty much how this goes down, I think our chances are good. Moral of this post, cop dont claim before the last minute to increase your chance of staying alive and getting another check which we might need. | ||
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My checks are: Night 1: LSB = green Night 2: Slam = green Night 3: Artanis = red This supports the theory of grack telling the truth and slam / rayn not being SK. Which I still think will be the best plan of action going forward. If we assume he told the truth the game is won and we just need to kill JJD and LSB. If we dont wanna assume he told the truth the SK can be between LSB, JJD, Slam and Rayn. Tbh I would still wanna lynch LSB and JJD if it came down to those four. They deffo seem to be the best SK candidates in my eyes and after I did some small amount of filterdiving yesterday. | ||
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On December 22 2013 10:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also really did not like the N2 end, i was hoping the cop to cliam so i could shoot them on N3. I think it was quite poorly handled and might have cost me the game. I assume you are talking about N3? I dont think i would have claimed, I was really struggling with it, cause I felt pretty safe from getting killed. I had a post ready tho just in case I decided to post 1 minute before. When Sent posted On December 19 2013 05:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: NP I panicked a bit and was wondering If I was still allowed to post, but I got a PM 21:42 saying he was gonna do the night post at 21:45. I kinda just timed out going back and forth on what to do. It might have been different if I had those 15 minutes to post, but atleast the lack of claim was not because I was not there yet or anything. | ||
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Link to Rayn + DP town game! And game was good, but Day 3 kinda ruined it a bit. 3 modkills and 2 mafia basically outing themselves. Not much to be done for the modkills tho. I thought they were all fair. | ||
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On December 22 2013 20:28 marvellosity wrote: Wow great blue play this game. Amazing cop checks and great heals. Might be 4 of the best cop checks I've seen, also associated with the fact sidesprang played in a fashion that never really got him closed to being lynched or shot by mafia. Really well done actually. Way to much praise. I can explain my play a bit and you will see it was not that good ![]() Basically I'm a really new player. I played some games like 3 years ago because I think the concept is really cool. I was really bad and it was hard to play. Kinda like how I feel now, you will see in a game where I'm VT. I've watched like all the esports mafia streams and that is why I got back into the game. I also read the newbie guide and I thought I would try to be a not so active town, but rather make bigger posts and try to make good points. Then on Day 1 I notice I get the cop role, I thought yay cool. Now I just need to act towny and survive for a few days so I can get some important checks in. My first post was a disaster and tbh it was very forced, I kinda just posted cause I wanted to contribute in some way. What I had was very little and I got called out pretty hard for it. I felt so bad and thought I just fucked the town over so bad by playing a retarded cop. Luckily most of the heat went away, dunno if it was because of my defence or they just felt there was bigger fish to fry. Anyhow with most of the heat gone, I realized I could not really play that way. So on day 2 I just read peoples filters instead and went with my gut feeling. While doing this I noticed that people did not really go after me that much (except LSB which I just found kinda funny after a while, especially since I knew he was green). So you can say, that my good town position was the result of a really bad start, and some damage control and adjusting. Checks: For my checks I did not want to check VA which was my biggest scumread because if I did and he came back green then I would have to stop going after him, and tbh I dont think I could have played that without painting a cop mark on my back. I liked tunneling him and I felt my points on him were valid even if he would have been misslynched D1 or D2 no one could really say I was scum because of it. I decided to check LSB first night, but I dont really remember why. I checked Slam because I had no idea what he was, and his voting just made it all more confusing. I felt a cop check is the only way to figure it out, so I did. Night 3 I only had 2 real options in my mind. JJD and Artanis. I thought Artanis was way more likely to come up green, and that JJD would come up red. I felt JJD would most likely get lynched after grack anyhow, so I prefered to get a green check on Artanis. If he however came up red I would have to intervene and prolly claim. So I'm really glad he died that night, The night 4 check was easy. the only two I could check was Rayn and JJD. I was kinda certain that JJD or LSB would be the SK. And the only thing that convince me otherwise would be a black check on Rayn, which I got. If he had selected investigation immunity it would have been tough. JJD would have died for sure, and flipped green. And making a case on rayn against the others would have been to hard I think. TLDR: I fluked my way into a really good cop position, and I just tried to stay there. Which was not really hard cause it mostly meant that I did not have to post much ![]() | ||
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