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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
November 25 2013 03:08 GMT
#19
/in.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 04 2013 00:05 GMT
#48
?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 04 2013 20:42 GMT
#57
I hope I'm the crab.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 07 2013 22:25 GMT
#86
Anyone else care to speculate over which smurf is Blazinghand?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 08 2013 02:00 GMT
#99
Hmmm. that is an interesting idea. Maybe I will drop out and learn the ways of Chupazi.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 08 2013 02:18 GMT
#101
I am open to being shadowed if there is anyone shitty enough at this game to want to shadow me.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 08 2013 21:15 GMT
#105
I won't be very active day1 if it starts Monday. Also I won't be trolling this game. The risk is too high!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 09 2013 00:40 GMT
#108
Shit. I better go find a scapegoat. Obviously I'm going to need somebody being even more useless than myself.

##Vote: Kushm4sta

I promise he is scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 09 2013 00:43 GMT
#109
On December 08 2013 04:07 kushm4sta wrote:
BTW it is my policy to skip any post written in meter like above.

Kushm4sta is scum

He hasn't even read half the posts in thread...
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 09 2013 00:44 GMT
#110
Xatalos why aren't you voting Kushm4sta?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 05:48 GMT
#417
On December 10 2013 07:06 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:01 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:53 Corazon wrote:
Lol can I go one game without being the first one voted.

Do you guys really think I'm more scummy at this point than Spag and Slam? I'm being open and honest with all of you. I'm not hiding anything. I've always tried to be genuine and not put up façades or wear masks. I'm telling you that I was going to be busy and I told you how I felt coming into this game. If you guys want to call me scum for that, go ahead. But just know that it is really silly to call me scum when Slam and Spag made one post and peaced out. Spag had to be coerced back into the thread and Slam still hasn't come back.

Plutarch wasn't trying to prod me for discussion; he was trying to twist my words and call me scum. Holyflare is just piggybacking off of everyone else's arguments to take town credit.

If you guys would look into the game, you would see that I am far from the scummiest player here. Also, it is good to know that you are all down for pressure voting so now I don't have to take your votes seriously until very close to the deadline. Sweet.


Spagetticus and Alakaslam certainly didn't start in a townish way. But I have to ask which is worse: weak non-contribution (them) or passable non-contribution (you)?


"passable non-contribution" doesn't exist. Your logic is flawed.

My first post was contribution. You can call me out on it later if I contradict myself. You can't call Slam and Spag out on anything that they wrote in their first posts.

passable non-contribution is scummier. That is a really terrible criteria for a contribution lol. Slam's Chupazi style has been called out numerous times so he must be one of the towns most contributive members.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 05:58 GMT
#419
On December 10 2013 07:20 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:15 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:10 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:04 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't like Xatalos right now and I'm curious if anyone sees what I see before I say why.

Gladly oblige.

Quick to hop on someone really really unreasonably early and with not the greatest logic in the world?

My behavior right off is worse but he votes cora

I am so bad I am useful to scum in the lategame, so he would rather mislynch cora who though not perfect, is definitely better at being town than me.

Probably not exactly your point but I think you are also seeing the quick to lynch attitude. And the slightly unreasonable aggressiveness.

I'm seeing a scattershot that's flinging poo everywhere and found someone to whom it will stick. I don't feel like he's trying to discern anyone's alignment, but rather start chaos and find a nice lynch target.
##Vote Xatalos


Well, that's one way to look at it. The other is that I'm always relatively aggressive as town.

You are? Where?

Is meta defense weak?

Give us the other sailing voyages you have made, surely you have ticket stubs?


My latest town game is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047&user=Xatalos&currentpage=3 I'm maybe slightly more passive there, but you can't see the aggression I put forth in the PM land during the beginning. Grackaroni can enlighten you perhaps.

Xatalos was really try hard and aggressive in mason chat. It was night one with only four of us allowed to talk and all we had to do was elect somebody. It wasn't going to be me so I didnt put much effort into my posts. He started attacking me with the logic that he had strong town reads on the other 2 players in my house because they were active so I am scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 06:17 GMT
#422
On December 10 2013 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.

That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch

Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town.

So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive.

The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this.

I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing.

In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it.

This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie

I don't feel like Xatalos put himself in the spotlight as much as trying to put others in the spotlight. Corazon put himself in the spotlight without any scum gain. When you look at his post from a scum point of view, it doesn't make sense for them to make it. I can see a scum agenda behind Xatalos' posts. That said, I do like his view on my pressure on him in that it was nuanced rather than trying to score town points. The rest of the day should provide more information.
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:36 Holyflare wrote:
Nobody going to discuss cora's mindset or are you going to dismiss it outright for xantos discussion some more?

On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum.


Given you quoted me I take it you'd like a response from me? I don't find Corazon scummy at this point in time because he drew attention to himself without any scum benefit.

The amount of aggression on Cora for that post was completely unwarranted but that definitely isn't worthy of a town read. Corazon didn't put do anything to put himself out there. He was probably busy so he said in his post that he was going to be busy, which means nothing.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 07:29 GMT
#448
Where you at right now Vayne? What do you think about the game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 07:30 GMT
#449
Sidesprang is pretty scummy. Long posts with no content.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 07:34 GMT
#456
On December 10 2013 16:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
I will say though that playing as scum last game you probably realize that Slam basically adds another scum to the game as either alignment. So I'm fine with lynching him regardless unless something very convincing goes down.

haha I will agree with that. You can already see him planning for his late game martyr in his posts this game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 10:31 GMT
#537
On December 10 2013 19:27 Spaghetticus wrote:
PANDAIN

Get in here.

Can I play Pandain?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 12:09 GMT
#601
I have come to the conclusion that Plutarch is WBG.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 12:12 GMT
#607
On December 10 2013 12:39 Plutarch wrote:
I am not convinced by this push on Xatalos. In my experience he is more likely to take a back seat as scum than to jump around driving discussion.

He also said this
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 12:18 GMT
#614
On December 10 2013 21:14 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 21:12 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 12:39 Plutarch wrote:
I am not convinced by this push on Xatalos. In my experience he is more likely to take a back seat as scum than to jump around driving discussion.

He also said this


Pretty sure that is what everyone has been talking about.

Yeah that was to HF. Who would say that after obsing Dessert Mini. Way more likely you were a player and lied then that you obsed a game from over a year ago and feel you have a good grasp of Xatalos' scum play.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 12:21 GMT
#615
Purple case is weak. You pretty much just made a case to show that he's clueless and all I had to do was look at his original accusation to find that out.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 12:26 GMT
#619
On December 10 2013 21:24 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 21:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:14 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:12 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 12:39 Plutarch wrote:
I am not convinced by this push on Xatalos. In my experience he is more likely to take a back seat as scum than to jump around driving discussion.

He also said this


Pretty sure that is what everyone has been talking about.

Yeah that was to HF. Who would say that after obsing Dessert Mini. Way more likely you were a player and lied then that you obsed a game from over a year ago and feel you have a good grasp of Xatalos' scum play.


To be honest games tend to blend together and unless you make a real effort to refresh your memory (i didn't) you make mistakes. I made a mistake. The simple truth is that I just didn't realize it had been that long.

yeah I don't care about that lol. This was just me arguing with HF that you are probably lying about having not played in the game to keep your identity hidden.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 12:29 GMT
#623
you never shut my guess down...
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 12:41 GMT
#632
On December 10 2013 21:32 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:
you never shut my guess down...


If I played in dessert why would I be using an older game as meta? You guys....

Because they all blend together in your mind! There really aren't many people out there who pretend to be Blazinghand lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 13:02 GMT
#654
On December 10 2013 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I see you "don't like" Artanis either. Do you think he's less scummy than purple?

What about Corazon?

What's the purpose of this? If you have read my filter and know who's my vote on you'd know the answers to these questions. Also what do you think of Grackaroni's answer to my case on purple?


Your vote is on purpletrator, so I'd assume you think he's the scummiest. What I meant to say is: what's your opinion on Artanis and Corazon at the moment?

Hmmm. I don't really understand what Grackaroni is saying. Apparently he means to refute your case by saying it's obvious.......... Well, I guess he means that it's just stating the obvious and not much of a case. Weird to randomly point that out though. And why would being obvious make a case "weak", I really wonder.

My thoughts on Artanis have not really changed since i last posted them (after the "i don't like him" post).
I agree with what Plutarch said about Corazon as i said, i don't think anything else in his posting is scummy.

Grackaroni basically does not even address my case because it's not about if purple is clueless or not. That's scummy as hell.

That is the entirety of your case. You said he had a shitty reason for a vote/unvote. He thinks that LSB not reading his comment somehow makes LSB scum and that LSB wanting him to reveal his identity is scummy. I agree that his vote is stupid. That is all that you have shown. dumb does not always equal scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 13:13 GMT
#663
On December 10 2013 22:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 22:02 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I see you "don't like" Artanis either. Do you think he's less scummy than purple?

What about Corazon?

What's the purpose of this? If you have read my filter and know who's my vote on you'd know the answers to these questions. Also what do you think of Grackaroni's answer to my case on purple?


Your vote is on purpletrator, so I'd assume you think he's the scummiest. What I meant to say is: what's your opinion on Artanis and Corazon at the moment?

Hmmm. I don't really understand what Grackaroni is saying. Apparently he means to refute your case by saying it's obvious.......... Well, I guess he means that it's just stating the obvious and not much of a case. Weird to randomly point that out though. And why would being obvious make a case "weak", I really wonder.

My thoughts on Artanis have not really changed since i last posted them (after the "i don't like him" post).
I agree with what Plutarch said about Corazon as i said, i don't think anything else in his posting is scummy.

Grackaroni basically does not even address my case because it's not about if purple is clueless or not. That's scummy as hell.

That is the entirety of your case. You said he had a shitty reason for a vote/unvote. He thinks that LSB not reading his comment somehow makes LSB scum and that LSB wanting him to reveal his identity is scummy. I agree that his vote is stupid. That is all that you have shown. dumb does not always equal scum.

My case on purple is that his interactions with LSB have no intention in proving his towniness or figuring out LSB's alignment. You certainly are misrepresenting the case intentionally or do not understand it.

I don't see how that matters in the slightest. How is that different than picking out LSB's vote or picking out some of Slam's votes and saying the same thing? In fact, just single out his posts of not doing that because he has the really shitty vote which looks bad. That can come from town or scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 13:14 GMT
#665
On December 10 2013 22:10 Holyflare wrote:
Well in lxiii the moment I cast some misrepresentation you jumped all over it as a scum tell and wouldn't let down about it. What's changed that you are so compliant with Grack doing it now?

you would need to be more specific.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 13:22 GMT
#673
sell your case Rayn.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 13:28 GMT
#679
On December 10 2013 17:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The whole evolution of his LSB-read and interactions with him are completely nonsensical, can't possibly achieve anything and do not even have any sort of logic behind them.

Is this your conclusion? Because it sounds an awful lot like you calling somebody scum for being having a dumb vote.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 13:34 GMT
#683
Ok then.
##Vote: Raynepelikoneet
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 13:43 GMT
#690
On December 10 2013 22:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 22:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok then.
##Vote: Raynepelikoneet

Are you scumclaiming?

Rayn has a shitty vote (target someone for being dumb), when I explain to him that its shitty he makes no effort to convince me and instead tells other people I am scummy for shutting down his dumb case. I won't be surprised if he is scum and if he is town then he can go lose.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 14:01 GMT
#709
On December 10 2013 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 22:49 Holyflare wrote:
On December 10 2013 22:43 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 22:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 22:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok then.
##Vote: Raynepelikoneet

Are you scumclaiming?

Rayn has a shitty vote (target someone for being dumb), when I explain to him that its shitty he makes no effort to convince me and instead tells other people I am scummy for shutting down his dumb case. I won't be surprised if he is scum and if he is town then he can go lose.


GRACK how is his case bad in any shape or form?

On December 10 2013 13:12 purpletrator wrote:
@xata
My initial read of LSB was that he was scum for throwing a shitty vote down and only following up when rayn pointed it out. He said how he never noticed my offer to reveal my identity, which I didnt think was townie mentality. If he'd seen it and just ignored it, then sure whatever hes just trolling. But to neglect to read the guy your voting, when his post was literally 1 above yours? That seemed messed up to me. On reading his PYP filter he does similar things where he misses key points in peoples posts. I dont want to go into detail because that game is ongoing.



This post alone could just be an entire case and it would be fine, I've highlighted the relevant bit for you (yes all of it). Purple states that his vote on LSB was because he was neglecting to read posts about the target he was on. He then justifies his unvote by saying that he has read an ongoing game - where he does NOT know LSB's alignment - and he does the same thing. What logical thought process is that?

TL:DR
He does not know LSB's alignment in PYP so how can he unvote based on that game unless he knows his alignment in this one.

It's not even a matter of if he knows LSB's alignment in that game. Whatever his alignment in PYP is if he does something he did there in this game it does not make him any alignment here. If he does "miss key points in posts" as town, he could as easily miss them as scum and vice versa.

It's a weak ass backpedal from a vote that was weak-ass in the first place (as i clearly pointed out in my case).
The whole interaction between purple and LSB does not make any sense because nothing purple says is can't evolve into an alignment indicative answer from LSB and he does not even give a clear read on LSB after the interaction. He is not interested in finding out LSB's alignment -> what's the point of the conversation?

I don't understand why you would reasonably expect somebody who gives an accusation of, "he didn't see my post? Now I know the truth. He is not trolling; he is scum" to make a lot of posts that would be helpful in finding out others alignment.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 19:57 GMT
#827
On December 11 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni has not offered any insight into anything that has happened in this game. He did not comment on my "shitty case" before i asked him to. If he thinks the case in fact was shitty why would he not shoot it down in the first place? Townies should not let shitty cases lie around because it distracts from actual scumhunting. Then he OMGUSes me (for what?) and leaves.

Spaghetticus is more interested in defending himself than contributing onto anything that's been going on in the game. He just pops in and gives some irrelevant comments about something.

Cora needs to answer Plutarch's case on him.

I think i've been pretty clear in what i think about purple.

lol all of the cases were shitty. Plutarchs case on Cora was shitty. Artanis' case on Xatalos was shitty. That doesn't really tell me much about who is what. fyi that is how I filled up my filter at the start of the game in time to die. I just looked for the bad cases being thrown about and made an effort of showing why they were bad.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 20:04 GMT
#829
On December 11 2013 01:03 Spaghetticus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 00:55 Corazon wrote:
Plutarch is Marv because all Marv does is tunnel me whenever we are town together. You should just disregard everything he says about me tbh

HF is confirmation biased and refuses to push anyone else besides me. Play the game

Don't call Artanis scum for being right.


Be less bad please.

How do you expect to convince anyone with this garbage?

So we should take you word for it that not only are you trustworthy, you are able to discern smurfs at a glance, and you deem that this smurf is marv, and you also deem that Marv tunnels you, that he does so unfairly, and we should therefore disregard it? How can you not see that this is too much to swallow?

HF is biased because he thinks you're scummy and doesn't change his vote with the wind?

Artanis can't be scum because you agree with him on something?

You're either making terrible arguments because you're terrible town, or you're just bullshitting to look like you're doing something. Can someone weigh in on how good Corazon is supposed to be? If he's at all capable at mafia I want him hung.


this post is really forced lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 10 2013 20:07 GMT
#830
On December 11 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 04:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 11 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni has not offered any insight into anything that has happened in this game. He did not comment on my "shitty case" before i asked him to. If he thinks the case in fact was shitty why would he not shoot it down in the first place? Townies should not let shitty cases lie around because it distracts from actual scumhunting. Then he OMGUSes me (for what?) and leaves.

Spaghetticus is more interested in defending himself than contributing onto anything that's been going on in the game. He just pops in and gives some irrelevant comments about something.

Cora needs to answer Plutarch's case on him.

I think i've been pretty clear in what i think about purple.

lol all of the cases were shitty. Plutarchs case on Cora was shitty. Artanis' case on Xatalos was shitty. That doesn't really tell me much about who is what. fyi that is how I filled up my filter at the start of the game in time to die. I just looked for the bad cases being thrown about and made an effort of showing why they were bad.

How about you make a good one then yourself? Your case on me atm seems quite convincing. Is there any reason you seem to only want to contribute towards bad town atmosphere?

Probably one of the few correct reads going out right now though. It's pretty amusing that you complain about people making bad town atmospheres after people's reaction to your play in time to die.
Grackaroni
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December 10 2013 20:41 GMT
#843
On December 11 2013 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't think i am switching my vote off him today.

Please explain how your posts towards me are different in any way aside from asking people to vote me. I really don't like what you have done this game. So far you started the weak purple wagon with shitty reasoning and then started acting obtuse when I tried to talk with you.

Explain to me why your reasoning for Purple being scum does not also apply to LSB? Do any of LSB's interactions seem to be used to figure out others alignments? right now you are just trying to gather support on somebody for being a weak player. (by using it as a justification for purple being scum) That alone makes you either bad or scum.
Grackaroni
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December 10 2013 21:01 GMT
#849
On December 11 2013 05:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Grack you mentioned a very forced post of Spaghetticus. Would you be happy to lynch him on D1?

He's done nothing so far but pressure lurkers but I don't believe he is the best lynch.
Grackaroni
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December 10 2013 21:03 GMT
#850
On December 11 2013 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 03:16 bumatlarge wrote:
On December 11 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2013 03:01 bumatlarge wrote:
On December 11 2013 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bumatlarge do you think Pandains posting / lack of posting is the most important thing there is going on in thread?


Don't worry, I'm reading your posts you to are a big question asker, but you seem to do that alot anyway.

Put it this way. I'd like to enter Day 2 with everyone here except pandain. I'm not advocating a sort of no-lynch policy, but I don't think we have a good lynch. What is important in this thread at the moment is debatable. I want to keep the accusations streamlined, and I don't want 6 kushmastas giving me their green reads. The pressure levels are sweet. That's probably what's most important.

Wait what? We are under 24h into the game and the only thing you want to talk about is someone who has not posted.
Do you think people voting for him now does:
1) make him magically come here posting sooner?
2) leave us with more information than pressuring other people even if he does not come back and we lynch him?


But he hasss posted. Information is overrated! He will come if we vote him. He is the missing corner piece to a fully fledged town! MEGAZORD ASSEMBLED!

Also do you think Pandain as mafia is type of a player that goes inactive for any other than non-game related reasons? If not, why exactly are you trying to shut down discussion?


?!?!?!

I don't meta this early. Why would you think that last statement. Am I distracting you?

To me it seemed like you wanted to vote for an inactive, encouraged everyone else to vote for an inactive and therefore shut down any productive discussion until Pandain returns.

Apparently this is not true (since you started talking about other things) so carry on, my post is no longer relevant.

What do you think of my cases on Grackaroni and purpletrator?

You think Bumatlarge has made useful posts so far?
Grackaroni
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December 10 2013 21:13 GMT
#852
On December 11 2013 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2013 05:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 11 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2013 05:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 11 2013 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't think i am switching my vote off him today.

So you're just going to throw your vote away if he's not a lynch candidate today? Come on man.
Talk to me about Spaghetticus.

Actually my plan was to convince you guys into voting him but there is still 24h to go on this phase.
Spaghetticus looks scummy for being overly defensive when people were just trying to get him into reading the thread and giving out reads. He always found some excuse to comment on something that did not make him go towards telling who is mafia.

Can you tell me exactly what you find suspicious of Grack? Is it that he voted you without pressuring you?

He hasn't really done anything but this:
The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad.

I don't know what purpose that serves or how he thinks he is helping the town. By telling me i am not allowed to call out people for shitting on other people because i played bad in another game? Why would someone who is town do that?

After checking his filter I can see where you're coming from. I can see a scum grack, but I also know that grack likes to troll. Picking a fight with you early on seems like a terrible idea as scum, but he skated by due to terrible ideas in LXIII too whilst being scum. I wouldn't oppose a Grack lynch at this point but I'm not convinced on it.

Wait what. I didn't skate by for having terrible ideas in LXIII. I skated by for bussing half my team lol.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 03:56 GMT
#934
On December 11 2013 12:51 kushm4sta wrote:
slam you have to have self confidence in your own way or these assholes will make you feel bad. just act how you are gonna act. if we lynch you and you flip town then that teaches us a lesson for next game and we wont lynch you so easily.

Ha. Go teach those assholes a lesson. Who do they think they are expecting people to play in a game that they signed up for.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 04:06 GMT
#936
Strangely enough he was one of the most difficult lynch options in time to die as well even after voting all the wrong ways lol. I don't know how that happens.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 04:09 GMT
#938
No I mean how he never really got under much threat of being lynched after doing his own thing that game. Cheesecake/oats/Onegu were all lynched mostly off of POE from being on Risen.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 04:19 GMT
#945
why not.
##Unvote: Raynepelikoneet.
##Vote: Alakaslam
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 04:20 GMT
#946
Bad thing is it will probably force me to actually play the game as scum in the future.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 04:35 GMT
#957
Name one time that town successfully policy lynched somebody without there being much resistance.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 04:40 GMT
#961
Policy lynches aside Pandain, I get a different vibe from slam this game. In time to die he actually tried to make sense at the start of the game and started caring less over time. This game he wanted to make it abundantly clear from the start that he didn't give a shit about the game. It really seems quite similar to my play from last game.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 04:44 GMT
#965
On December 11 2013 13:38 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 13:35 Grackaroni wrote:
Name one time that town successfully policy lynched somebody without there being much resistance.

I've never seen a policy lynch.
Policy lynches are actually bad ideas.
Scum dont actually outright defend someone, often.
That argument is null because maybe we are resisting a poor idea.

And Vayne the reason you don't get policy lynched is because people like me realize that policy lynches, no matter how rewarding to the individual, hurt town

Yeah I agree with the last 2 reasons that is basically what I was saying. It's really silly of Plutarch to expect somebody to flip scum just for getting resistance.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 04:50 GMT
#970
I guess it comes down to how Holy normally feels about policy lynches. If HF is normally against policy lynching people and is giving reasons for alakaslam being more likely town then he really can't be town after voting him.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 04:59 GMT
#975
Pandain you agree with Rayn's purple case?
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 05:32 GMT
#983
lol wat. I don't even know who you are talking about.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 06:48 GMT
#991
On December 11 2013 15:35 bumatlarge wrote:
Can we go back to lynching pandain?

Why do you even want to lynch Pandain?
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 07:01 GMT
#994
I'm not really buying Bum's story. If he wants to disregard day1 reads because they are weak and just lynch the most useless player that is his opinion. But if he's against lynching alakaslam, who openly states he will not be useful, just because he addresses his posts to Rayn then we have a problem. It really can't be argued that slam will be more useful than Pandain.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 17:16 GMT
#1153
On December 12 2013 02:12 kushm4sta wrote:
ive been trying to come up with scummy shit to say so i dont get nk

Oh god yes. I sometimes i forget how inferior a troll I truly am.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 17:48 GMT
#1175
On December 12 2013 02:41 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not ridiculous at all if you consider how I play mafia. I KILL these kind of players at night because I find it more enjoyable to play with people that can actually scumhunt and try to trick them. Between that and my blue kill sniping I don't see how it is farfetch'd at all.


So you would never push a mislynch on slam because he is so bad for town, but you would nk him??/ that makes no sense.

also you are using that reasoning to townread speghetti, when you are describing it as it only applies to you.

Makes sense. Vayne thinks he's amazing at mafia so he wants to win without slam.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 18:24 GMT
#1211
Geez Vayne actually slipped lol. Un-lynchable scum record goodbye I will take pleasure in this.
##Unvote: Alakaslam
##Vote: VayneAuthority
I don't think it prevents Slam from being scum.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 18:51 GMT
#1233
On December 12 2013 03:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
not to mention that it isn't even a contradiction to begin with, YOU SEE ME GETTING RID OF ALAKASLAM IN THE THREAD. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT I GOT RID OF HIM IF I'M MAFIA. good lord.

it is a contradiction if you say you are town for getting rid of the 4th mafia and that you would leave him in as scum. Then you admit that you would get rid of him because you like a real game. Night killing him for the hell of it is no different than lynching him for the hell of it when you could get a better lynch from 'dumping your vote on spaghetti"
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 18:54 GMT
#1237
On December 12 2013 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 03:51 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
not to mention that it isn't even a contradiction to begin with, YOU SEE ME GETTING RID OF ALAKASLAM IN THE THREAD. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT I GOT RID OF HIM IF I'M MAFIA. good lord.

it is a contradiction if you say you are town for getting rid of the 4th mafia and that you would leave him in as scum. Then you admit that you would get rid of him because you like a real game. Night killing him for the hell of it is no different than lynching him for the hell of it when you could get a better lynch from 'dumping your vote on spaghetti"

The fact that Vayne does not see that it's a contradiction makes me believe he does not even realize it's a contradiction which in fact shows a town mindset rather than scum..

What do you think his reaction right now would be as scum?
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 19:00 GMT
#1239
On December 12 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
well at this rate neither me or slam are getting lynched, worst scenario ever.

TL towns br0

Thats what happens when we are all so lazy that Kushm4sta has influence over who gets lynched. I could probably make a case for 10 different people being scum right now.

Would you be averse to lynching slam as scum?
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 20:27 GMT
#1276
On December 12 2013 05:25 Holyflare wrote:
Really busy atm, did slam improve? Is there a wagon on bum/art/spag to join?

Vote Vayne.
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 21:00 GMT
#1330
We bussed in Golden sun lol
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 21:01 GMT
#1334
Noooooooooooo. Pandainnnnn!
Grackaroni
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December 11 2013 21:33 GMT
#1364
On December 12 2013 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni are you thinking of playing this game at all or are you just going to... idk.. hang around?

I've got things I need to get done for tonight but you should expect more from me tomorrow.
Grackaroni
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December 12 2013 21:07 GMT
#1648
lol I wonder who it could be!
Grackaroni
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December 12 2013 21:12 GMT
#1657
I will try my best to get a mafia killed today. My last final is in an hour.

Quick response to your case cora. I did give some reasoning on slam when talking to Pandain. Kush troll vote was pregame. I wanted to point out that I could see vayne bussing alakaslam for playing like an asshole in game rather than win with him on his team. Not really sure who you think I was worried about dying to want to leave an out to switch my vote when the top lynches were vayne/slam/spaghetti.
Grackaroni
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December 13 2013 19:50 GMT
#1879
On December 13 2013 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will not vote for anyone but Plutarch today. My case proves he is scum because he is using the same information to form a different read. I stopped listening other people last night.

Are you kidding me? I think you are genuinely upset so I'll try to reason with you. Plutarch didn't make some glaring contradiction. He's been one of the more pro-town people in the game, and it is dumb to lynch him for caring more about bad vote switches now than during day 1. That isn't nearly damning enough to make him scummier than other people, and I think there is an easy way of determining if he was shot or not.

Just from gaming the host I'd wager that either Plutarch was shot or the SK was shot. Otherwise HF would be listed as having been shot by both mafia and vigilante in the day post rather than just the vigilante. (regardless that the host claims afterward that mafia could also have shot HF). I would think that Mafia would want to RB the SK if they found him in order to protect themselves, thus If there is a SK shot tonight then Plutarch was shot last night.
Grackaroni
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December 13 2013 19:52 GMT
#1881
On December 14 2013 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well Grackaroni does not read the thread, that's for sure.

That's how far I have gotten to.
Grackaroni
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December 13 2013 19:58 GMT
#1886
On December 14 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually all the conclusions you reach into Grack are quite dumb.

they really aren't. Why would the host choose to only reveal that the vig shot HF if they could reveal that it was both the vig and mafia shots when they are specifically telling us what role shot who.
Grackaroni
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December 13 2013 20:01 GMT
#1887
On December 14 2013 04:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 04:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 14 2013 04:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I realized after that medic could have also saved but I had thought HF one of the more townie people day 1 so I figured he was just double shot since it is more likely then a save.

Simple probability

OK, but it specifically said "Shot by an ASS-bullet".

So basically, there were 2 deaths. One says that the person was vig-killed, the other says the person was SK-killed.

Why would you not assume that a person killed by mafia would get a similiar cause of death?


I don't particularly follow? this is like an alakaslam post, english please

This is what he is saying:
hosts tells us vig shot HF from the kill flavor
hosts tells us SK shot bum from the kill flavor.
Why wouldn't the hosts tell us who mafia shot? (I think they would.)
Grackaroni
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December 13 2013 20:05 GMT
#1893
On December 14 2013 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 05:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 14 2013 04:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 14 2013 04:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 14 2013 04:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I realized after that medic could have also saved but I had thought HF one of the more townie people day 1 so I figured he was just double shot since it is more likely then a save.

Simple probability

OK, but it specifically said "Shot by an ASS-bullet".

So basically, there were 2 deaths. One says that the person was vig-killed, the other says the person was SK-killed.

Why would you not assume that a person killed by mafia would get a similiar cause of death?


I don't particularly follow? this is like an alakaslam post, english please

This is what he is saying:
hosts tells us vig shot HF from the kill flavor
hosts tells us SK shot bum from the kill flavor.
Why wouldn't the hosts tell us who mafia shot? (I think they would.)

Well if you believe this you should be lynching JJD because he is lying then.

I don't see where he is lying.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 13 2013 20:15 GMT
#1898
I keep getting the too bad to be scum reads. I just haven't gotten a chance to thoroughly analyze the thread yet
Grackaroni
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December 13 2013 21:32 GMT
#1922
On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all.
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.

Could we please lynch this scum already?


Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is.

I don't like this post. Artanis played with Rayn earlier and saw that he got lynched as town for switching reads too much and Artanis is a good player. Can you explain why Rayn is scum for being careless and for other people carelessness is a townie trait? I want to see some better reasoning for why you believe Rayn is scum; otherwise, you are just slinging shit.
On December 13 2013 21:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not answering you anything because you are scum.
The post i am talking about proves it.

I'm glad you know alignments for certain Rayn. I wish I had that kind of knowledge.
Then again I'd be scum then.

lol like this. This is terrible.

I really don't like Artanis' game long push on Xatalos. It's all based on Xatalos being overaggressive and attacking everything that moves, which really isn't how I think scum would play.

@Artanis, can you give me your thoughts on Rayn's case on Purple from all the way back at the start of day1. I want to hear what you thought about that then.
Grackaroni
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December 13 2013 21:33 GMT
#1923
lol it's the Blazinghand. You've really fucked this game up so far Blazinghand. Get your shit together!
Grackaroni
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December 14 2013 00:22 GMT
#1948
Did you help Plutarch pretend to be you? I was starting to think you were him lol.
Grackaroni
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December 14 2013 02:38 GMT
#1961
On December 14 2013 11:30 Plutarch wrote:
Wish people were around.

I'm here but I'm on my phone.
Grackaroni
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December 14 2013 02:54 GMT
#1964
I haven't filtered him yet but he feels townie
Grackaroni
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December 14 2013 15:53 GMT
#2054
I have a town tell on Vayne that I don't want to reveal, but I feel it is pretty reliable.
Grackaroni
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December 14 2013 15:59 GMT
#2056
I think we need to lynch Xatalos. His response to you calling him out was bullshit.
Grackaroni
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December 14 2013 19:04 GMT
#2079
Here is why I think Xatalos is scum.
On December 14 2013 20:43 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 20:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm not sure LSB is a good lynch. Avoiding responsibility seems to be the only thing he's done. He's too blatantly talking about scum agenda's and what he thinks scum would do. It feels more like he's trying to place himself into the position of a scum player to catch them. Hypocrisy also isn't something I'd ascribe to scum players alone. Look at Cora. Called out players for not being allowed to be inactive, then said he'd be inactive in the same post. The case on LSB doesn't make him scum imo.

I've already said what I think about Rayn and Xatalos, but I don't know what your view on Xatalos is Plutarch. Could you inform me?
On December 14 2013 03:24 kushm4sta wrote:
LOL plz plz do not stoke the fire that lies inside corazon's butt. We know he's town. He is a master troll. The best way to fight a troll is to ignore it.

I came around to artanis being town. His push for xatalos seems really genuine, and I think it might be right.
Still need to read xatalos' filter, but let me just say I am super unimpressed with his recent long post.
If you look it actually contains deceptively little content.
On December 14 2013 03:07 Xatalos wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 13 2013 20:20 sidesprang wrote:
Ok was busy yesterday, had exam today. Read the thread and i'm now starting on filters.

What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things.

One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate.

So my thought is

VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia
VA = Town-> susp votes = town

Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of.


Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes.


I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first.



Not necessarily. Scum can make suspicious votes even if it's town vs town. Naturally the suspicious votes are even more suspicious if VA is scum.

On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all.
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.

Could we please lynch this scum already?


Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is.


These are pretty much non-points / things I have already explained (and Artanis clearly hasn't read). Some of the points are even townie for me (overall aggression, generating discussion, pressuring a lot). That's how I've basically always started the game as town (and recently as scum too -> pretty much null). Really quite bad reasons for wanting to lynch me #1. Incidentally, this "case" is a decent additional reason to lynch Artanis.

How many would be up for lynching Artanis today? rayn, you at least mentioned that Artanis was scummy N1. Please, get off Plutarch and lynch a much scummier player (Plutarch isn't even scummy, and it puzzles me that you're going for him).

On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!
bumatlarge the Civilian has been eaten by Sebastian!


Holyflare's death doesn't give that much new info in itself, but the more important part is that it confirms Corazon as a (misguided) Vigi. Regardless, he's town, which makes Artanis look (very slightly) better and probably me/Plutarch worse. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on. (as a sidenote, from the shock that this Vigi shot caused, I probably won't be trusting Vigilantes to make sensible choices in the future).

bum's death is a big mystery to me, since he did pretty much nothing all game. Does anyone have an idea about why the SK would shoot him? Maybe he thought bum was scum? In that case there might be some merit in going through who suspected bum.

- - - -

Other players who would be decent lynches are purple and LSB.

- purple's vote wasn't that scummy, but he's been lurking and posting useless one-liners all game... and now we also know that Corazon is town, which makes purple slightly more likely scum

- LSB has been throwing his vote around meaninglessly all game... hasn't truly pushed anything, just bandwagoned or thrown his vote here or there... and his Spag vote was actually about as scummy as that of Artanis

VA, kush, Grackaroni and sidesprang aren't looking good either. VA has been just targeting the easiest lynches, kush happily lynched his own townread, Grackaroni's vote was pretty scummy too and sidesprang has barely posted enough to avoid being policy lynched.

I think we should start from Artanis and continue from there. There are a lot of scummy players, but it should get easier when one is flipped.


So yeah sorry for calling your case bad artanis.

Glad you came around bb <3


Well, this makes me a bit more worried about LSB again. That's such a wishy-washy stance.


On December 14 2013 20:56 Xatalos wrote:
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On December 14 2013 20:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 14 2013 20:43 Xatalos wrote:
On December 14 2013 20:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm not sure LSB is a good lynch. Avoiding responsibility seems to be the only thing he's done. He's too blatantly talking about scum agenda's and what he thinks scum would do. It feels more like he's trying to place himself into the position of a scum player to catch them. Hypocrisy also isn't something I'd ascribe to scum players alone. Look at Cora. Called out players for not being allowed to be inactive, then said he'd be inactive in the same post. The case on LSB doesn't make him scum imo.

I've already said what I think about Rayn and Xatalos, but I don't know what your view on Xatalos is Plutarch. Could you inform me?
On December 14 2013 03:24 kushm4sta wrote:
LOL plz plz do not stoke the fire that lies inside corazon's butt. We know he's town. He is a master troll. The best way to fight a troll is to ignore it.

I came around to artanis being town. His push for xatalos seems really genuine, and I think it might be right.
Still need to read xatalos' filter, but let me just say I am super unimpressed with his recent long post.
If you look it actually contains deceptively little content.
On December 14 2013 03:07 Xatalos wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 13 2013 20:20 sidesprang wrote:
Ok was busy yesterday, had exam today. Read the thread and i'm now starting on filters.

What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things.

One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate.

So my thought is

VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia
VA = Town-> susp votes = town

Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of.


Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes.


I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first.



Not necessarily. Scum can make suspicious votes even if it's town vs town. Naturally the suspicious votes are even more suspicious if VA is scum.

On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all.
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On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.

Could we please lynch this scum already?


Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is.


These are pretty much non-points / things I have already explained (and Artanis clearly hasn't read). Some of the points are even townie for me (overall aggression, generating discussion, pressuring a lot). That's how I've basically always started the game as town (and recently as scum too -> pretty much null). Really quite bad reasons for wanting to lynch me #1. Incidentally, this "case" is a decent additional reason to lynch Artanis.

How many would be up for lynching Artanis today? rayn, you at least mentioned that Artanis was scummy N1. Please, get off Plutarch and lynch a much scummier player (Plutarch isn't even scummy, and it puzzles me that you're going for him).

On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!
bumatlarge the Civilian has been eaten by Sebastian!


Holyflare's death doesn't give that much new info in itself, but the more important part is that it confirms Corazon as a (misguided) Vigi. Regardless, he's town, which makes Artanis look (very slightly) better and probably me/Plutarch worse. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on. (as a sidenote, from the shock that this Vigi shot caused, I probably won't be trusting Vigilantes to make sensible choices in the future).

bum's death is a big mystery to me, since he did pretty much nothing all game. Does anyone have an idea about why the SK would shoot him? Maybe he thought bum was scum? In that case there might be some merit in going through who suspected bum.

- - - -

Other players who would be decent lynches are purple and LSB.

- purple's vote wasn't that scummy, but he's been lurking and posting useless one-liners all game... and now we also know that Corazon is town, which makes purple slightly more likely scum

- LSB has been throwing his vote around meaninglessly all game... hasn't truly pushed anything, just bandwagoned or thrown his vote here or there... and his Spag vote was actually about as scummy as that of Artanis

VA, kush, Grackaroni and sidesprang aren't looking good either. VA has been just targeting the easiest lynches, kush happily lynched his own townread, Grackaroni's vote was pretty scummy too and sidesprang has barely posted enough to avoid being policy lynched.

I think we should start from Artanis and continue from there. There are a lot of scummy players, but it should get easier when one is flipped.


So yeah sorry for calling your case bad artanis.

Glad you came around bb <3


Well, this makes me a bit more worried about LSB again. That's such a wishy-washy stance.

How is it Wishy-Washy? I'm pretty clear in that I don't want to lynch him right now.


Judging from that post, your stance was more like "eh, I don't really think he's a good lynch, but I'm not sure".

He says Artanis is being wishy-washy from that one sentence without even reading his entire post. He believes having wishy-washy stances is scummy.


On December 14 2013 21:14 Xatalos wrote:
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On December 14 2013 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos your stance on LSB isn't much clearer than Artanis'.
Don't think of Artanis at all, do you or do you not want to lynch LSB? You said you thought he was a good lynch but in the same post you say you agree with his reads, so you don't want to lynch him. Which is it?


I'd say he's lynchable, but not he best lynch. Maybe 60% chance of flipping scum. That's why I'm looking elsewhere at the moment.

He gives an even more wishy-washy stance than Artanis, but what concerns me more is that he is incapable of seeing why that could be scummy. I think he is smarter than that and is bullshitting.


On December 14 2013 21:20 Xatalos wrote:
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On December 14 2013 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote:
##Vote: Xatalos


Lol. I can't be unsure about if someone is town/scum? You think I'm scum with LSB or what?

If Xatalos truly believes this makes other people scummy... why doesn't he believe it makes himself look scummy?
On December 14 2013 21:23 Xatalos wrote:
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On December 14 2013 21:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the last page all you do is call Artanis out of his "wishy-washy" read on LSB when he's been very clear saying he does not think LSB is scum and then your read is wishy-washy as fuck.


That was mostly because I was worried about an association between Artanis/LSB. Artanis is null on LSB, I'm leaning slightly scum. What's scummy about that? I agree I'm not confident about what LSB is, but that hardly makes me scum.

On December 14 2013 21:24 Xatalos wrote:
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On December 14 2013 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You think he is scum but he is not the best lynch. Of course he is if you think he is scum.


There are different levels of scummy. It's not that someone is 100% town or 100% scum. Why lynch the less scummy player over the more scummy? You don't make sense.

On December 14 2013 21:30 Xatalos wrote:
Waiting for an explanation, rayn...

On December 14 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote:
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On December 14 2013 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It is not the fact you think he is more or less scummy than anyone else. You call out Artanis for his wishy washy read on LSB and you have the exact same kind of read on LSB. How does that make sense?


As I said, I was mostly thinking of a possible association between Artanis/LSB (since the read seemed rather wishy-washy) and not that the read itself was scummy. As you could see from my earlier posts, I was quite undecided about LSB myself. How doesn't that make sense?

I just don't believe his responses. I think a town Xatalos would see that it was dumb of him to accuse Artanis for having a wishy-washy read when his own read was wishy-washy or a townie would say that it was actually kind of scummy of him to make such a wishy-washy read. He stands by his prior statement that Artanis doing that was scummy and refuses to recognize that people could see him as scummy for the same reason.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 14 2013 19:06 GMT
#2080
I think scum is more concerned with justifying their bullshit and making themselves appear consistent.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 14 2013 19:08 GMT
#2081
Artanis I asked you questions earlier and you never answered them.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 14 2013 19:11 GMT
#2082
On December 15 2013 03:47 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@rayne - U think Vayne is town. U think I'm town. I make a huge case against Vayne which has some real good points.

Where are all the scum sheep votes? No scum wants to bandwagon such a thought out case from a townie? There's just too much resistance for vayne to be town.

Or Maybe you think scum already has a person voting vayne?

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On December 14 2013 23:20 Aquanim wrote:
VayneAuthority (3): JarJarDrinks, xigxag, sidesprang

You can't tell me that you believe town is making a case against town and 2 townies are the only people on the wagon. Someone is scum in that group.

I like this guy. that is only really the case though if LSB is scum. Otherwise scum can put their vote wherever they please.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 19:18 GMT
#2086
On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.

I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 19:24 GMT
#2089
On December 15 2013 04:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.

I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum.

What the? I could lynch you for this post right now.

you won't trade 1 for 1?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 19:26 GMT
#2093
What did you see in Rayn's day1 purp case that was pushing a scum agenda?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 19:28 GMT
#2095
On December 15 2013 04:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:24 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.

I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum.

What the? I could lynch you for this post right now.

you won't trade 1 for 1?

The blatant disregard for who is actually scum shows a lack of townie mindset to me, and contrasts with the effort you just put in to analyze Xatalos, which is strange if you believe only one of me/Xatalos is scum and you having a scum read on Xatalos earlier. Instantly backtracking on that and not giving a shit looks like shit to me.

I've tried to figure it out and you both look like scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 19:31 GMT
#2098
On December 15 2013 04:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:24 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.

I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum.

What the? I could lynch you for this post right now.

you won't trade 1 for 1?

The blatant disregard for who is actually scum shows a lack of townie mindset to me, and contrasts with the effort you just put in to analyze Xatalos, which is strange if you believe only one of me/Xatalos is scum and you having a scum read on Xatalos earlier. Instantly backtracking on that and not giving a shit looks like shit to me.

I've tried to figure it out and you both look like scum.

Do you think a scenario where we're both scum is likely? If not, do you think giving up on finding out our alignment is a protown thing to do?

probably not to both.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 19:40 GMT
#2102
lol BH I don't see why you feel XX is so useless. There are people doing less.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 19:43 GMT
#2105
I really want to vote and go do other things right now but I have no idea what the votes look like
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 19:49 GMT
#2109
On December 15 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw Plutarch is most likely yamato.

lol then why attack Plutarch.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 19:52 GMT
#2114
On December 15 2013 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i really thought he was marv on D1/N1.

nah Marv sits back more. He would never start off a game with such a dumb accusation.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 20:01 GMT
#2124
It looks like there is a decent amount of support for Xata lynch. Let's make it happen.
##Vote: Xatalos
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 20:22 GMT
#2147
lol nobody knows who is going to be lynched.
If it is LSB or Vayne then I'm voting LSB.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 20:35 GMT
#2170
I haven't seen any reasoning given for Purple being scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 20:53 GMT
#2219
wtf is this. I'm not voting purp.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 20:56 GMT
#2226
what a dumb day lol
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 14 2013 21:11 GMT
#2277
On December 15 2013 05:53 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay let's do shennanies.
##Unvote
##Vote: Purpletrator


Hmmm...


On December 15 2013 05:55 Xatalos wrote:
Lol it's happening. Okay then.

##Unvote
##Vote purpletrator

Second time he has done this lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 14 2013 21:20 GMT
#2288
On December 15 2013 06:13 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 06:11 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 05:53 Xatalos wrote:
On December 15 2013 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay let's do shennanies.
##Unvote
##Vote: Purpletrator


Hmmm...


On December 15 2013 05:55 Xatalos wrote:
Lol it's happening. Okay then.

##Unvote
##Vote purpletrator

Second time he has done this lol.


purple lynch was a good option, I just didn't think it was possible until Plutarch went for it.

I'm referring to you thinking Artanis is scum all game long. Seeing him vote for purp, and then voting for purple anyway.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 15 2013 21:44 GMT
#2540
lol classic Blazinghand.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 15:30 GMT
#2795
What's going on?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 15:34 GMT
#2797
On December 18 2013 00:33 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 00:30 Grackaroni wrote:
What's going on?


All these misguided people want to lunch me

Wat. I thought they would be voting me.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 15:55 GMT
#2812
They're on to you Drinks! Quick, go divert attention on to somebody else.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 15:57 GMT
#2814
Its for dramatic effect.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 16:00 GMT
#2817
On December 18 2013 00:59 Plutarch wrote:
Scum giving up but can't surrender due to SK?

haha.

Why not SK giving up but can't surrender due to scum?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 16:03 GMT
#2821
On December 18 2013 01:02 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 01:00 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 00:59 Plutarch wrote:
Scum giving up but can't surrender due to SK?

haha.

Why not SK giving up but can't surrender due to scum?


Possible. But SK hasn't been raped as hard as this scumteam has.

True, the SK has been doing pretty well for himself.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 16:28 GMT
#2842
Who claimed antitown?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 16:43 GMT
#2848
Oh I was suggesting Plutarch isn't town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:04 GMT
#2852
You guys really can't take a hint lol. I am cop. I checked Vayne n1. I checked Plutarch n2. Plutarch is the crab. I laugh. We lynch.
##Vote: Plutarch
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:08 GMT
#2856
On December 15 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote:
I have a town tell on Vayne that I don't want to reveal, but I feel it is pretty reliable.

lol what do you think made me flip-flop on Vayne.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:09 GMT
#2857
I was pretty obvious.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:10 GMT
#2859
On December 18 2013 02:09 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 02:08 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote:
I have a town tell on Vayne that I don't want to reveal, but I feel it is pretty reliable.

lol what do you think made me flip-flop on Vayne.

Show me crumbs.

that was a crumb lol. I voted Vayne day1. The next day I show up with a town tell on him and don't mention lynching him again.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:11 GMT
#2860
I thought i was making it obvious you were SK from my interactions with you, but people didn't pick up on it.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:12 GMT
#2863
On December 18 2013 02:11 Plutarch wrote:
There is no framer in the game. So here is what you do. If I am not shot tonight which is doubtful, you lynch grack. If he does not flip scum then you can lynch me.

Real cop DO NOT COUNTERCLAIM.

LOL
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:13 GMT
#2864
On December 18 2013 02:12 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 02:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 02:09 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 02:08 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote:
I have a town tell on Vayne that I don't want to reveal, but I feel it is pretty reliable.

lol what do you think made me flip-flop on Vayne.

Show me crumbs.

that was a crumb lol. I voted Vayne day1. The next day I show up with a town tell on him and don't mention lynching him again.


That is not a crumb. You are a liar and scum. die.

scum don't use that kind of reasoning ever.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:16 GMT
#2866
Also Plutarch, Are you suggesting I am on Xatalos' team?.
On December 18 2013 02:05 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 03:02 Blazinghand wrote:
unless someone LITERALLY claims scum, i'm not voting anyone else.

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 21:14 Xatalos wrote:
Btw SK, we kill Plutarch tonight, so please kill rayn

Town wins if they live


##unvote
##vote Xatalos

I'm scum and decide that I am killing Plutarch, so I send Xatalos into thread to alert the crab and then fake claim that you are the crab? Just lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:19 GMT
#2867
Meh I think it is pretty clear. If you want to reduce KP then kill Plutarch. If not then lynch me and get him next.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:19 GMT
#2868
Blazinghand, come talk some sense into town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:21 GMT
#2872
On December 18 2013 02:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack, why the fuck would you claim now if you are town?

Because he was being annoying lol. I was just going to quietly let him know that I knew. Then he wouldn't be able to kill me without revealing himself and I could get more checks.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:22 GMT
#2874
On December 18 2013 02:20 Plutarch wrote:
You all got caught. you are trying some power play or something. there is no way when it comes down to your word against mine are we lynching me first.
So as I said. We lynch Xatalos first. Then we lynch you tomorrow and prove you are the liar that you are.

Yeah no. I am pretty clearly the cop.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:22 GMT
#2875
I breadcrumbed my checks lol. What more did you expect? Lynch this scrub.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:26 GMT
#2880
On December 15 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote:
I have a town tell on Vayne that I don't want to reveal, but I feel it is pretty reliable.

Green check Vayne
On December 18 2013 01:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 00:59 Plutarch wrote:
Scum giving up but can't surrender due to SK?

haha.

Why not SK giving up but can't surrender due to scum?

On December 18 2013 01:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 01:02 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 01:00 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 00:59 Plutarch wrote:
Scum giving up but can't surrender due to SK?

haha.

Why not SK giving up but can't surrender due to scum?


Possible. But SK hasn't been raped as hard as this scumteam has.

True, the SK has been doing pretty well for himself.

Crab check Plutarch. If I died they would both be super obvious.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:28 GMT
#2881
Honestly if you continue to deny it then you are showing you will not cooperate with town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:32 GMT
#2884
Meh I really don't care to argue it anymore. Should be clear to anyone reading the game. Lynch Xatalos or Lynch Plutarch. Plutarch lynch will be better, but Xatalos is probably safer unless he is a closet troll.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:37 GMT
#2888
On December 18 2013 02:35 LSB wrote:
Mafia it is in your best interest to kill Grack, should he stay alive this will mean that he will continue confirming townies or mafia, and the serial killer can start picking you off

Or they will just RB me?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:40 GMT
#2891
On December 18 2013 02:39 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 02:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 02:35 LSB wrote:
Mafia it is in your best interest to kill Grack, should he stay alive this will mean that he will continue confirming townies or mafia, and the serial killer can start picking you off

Or they will just RB me?


Here we go. He is going to claim role blocked conveniently. No-one has claimed it yet. But he will.

Every role is in the game confirmed by hosts lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 17:48 GMT
#2906
On December 18 2013 02:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 02:45 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 02:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't know what the fuck is going on but Grack's timing on the claim looks incredibly off for a townie. Will wait to see what the night kills bring.


If he legitimately had a red check on me why would he not claim at the start of the day? Instead he 'crumbs' like an hour before he claims, 4 hours before deadline.

This is not a legit cop claim.

I agree it's incredibly unlikely, but I don't see a reason to jump to conclusions when the NK's will probably reveal the truth anyway.

LOL. You are literally telling the Serial Killer not to jump to conclusions.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:17 GMT
#2920
On December 18 2013 03:11 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 02:21 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 02:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack, why the fuck would you claim now if you are town?

Because he was being annoying lol. I was just going to quietly let him know that I knew. Then he wouldn't be able to kill me without revealing himself and I could get more checks.


This makes no sense.
Firstly; grack was annoyed at me so he claims cop and says I'm serial killer. Not because I was you know, a serial killer or because I should be lynched. No. He was annoyed. What had I done to annoy him? Caught multiple mafia...

Secondly; if he was only concerned with getting more checks why is he claiming when we have a self claimed scum to lynch?

Thirdly; the very things he says he stated he was saying in order to alert me to his check on me he later claims as his bread crumbs.

Basically his claim is bullshit and obviously so.


1)you were annoying because you kept calling me scum. When I basically confirmed to you I was the cop and I knew you were crab you shouted I was claiming scum.

2)I'd rather lynch you?

3) They clearly do both.

Basically, his claim is factual and I am the crab.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:19 GMT
#2923
On December 18 2013 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I remember "i won't be voting for purp" comment a bit before lynch.

Because it was a stupid lynch! I don't give a shit what alignment he flipped in retrospect. We lynched somebody purely for being bad and got lucky.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:20 GMT
#2924
On December 18 2013 03:19 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 05:53 Grackaroni wrote:
wtf is this. I'm not voting purp.


Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 05:56 Grackaroni wrote:
what a dumb day lol


Gracks reaction to lynching scum day two.

I didn't want to lynch either. Thus I didn't vote either.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:21 GMT
#2925
Like that just confirms me more than anything else. Why would I act like that as scum. I could have lynched Vayne. I was annoyed with the lynch candidates so I did nothing.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:24 GMT
#2927
On December 18 2013 03:17 sidesprang wrote:
Hmm, there are three things I dont like about the claim.

1. He did not leave any breadcrumbs for like the first idk 30 hours of this day, and also they were very weak. The breadcrum on Vayne I buy tho. Would be a very nice breadcrumb.

2. Why did you claim? We were gonna lynch Xata = confirmed scum, and Xata tried to "talk" to the SK and told him that Scum were gonna lynch SK (aka plutarch). So if you kept quiet, we would have lynchd xata, and woken up to only 1 kill from SK tomorrow, no mafia kills and an alive Plutarch. Your case against plutarch tomorrow would have been foolproof, no way he could have defended himself against that if you claimed tomorrow.

3. There was no way you were gonna die this night. So you could have gotten one more safe check without problems.


You're right about the last 2. My claim was stupid. Breadcrumbs are fine. All breadcrumbs really need to do is make your checks clear. Leaving more than that is just asking for trouble.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:26 GMT
#2929
hell i don't know, I guess I couldn't have lynched Vayne because I wrote that comment. I would not ever leave that town tell on Vayne comment in there if I wasn't cop. I have never left any comment like that in any other game of mine.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:29 GMT
#2933
On December 18 2013 03:27 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:24 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:17 sidesprang wrote:
Hmm, there are three things I dont like about the claim.

1. He did not leave any breadcrumbs for like the first idk 30 hours of this day, and also they were very weak. The breadcrum on Vayne I buy tho. Would be a very nice breadcrumb.

2. Why did you claim? We were gonna lynch Xata = confirmed scum, and Xata tried to "talk" to the SK and told him that Scum were gonna lynch SK (aka plutarch). So if you kept quiet, we would have lynchd xata, and woken up to only 1 kill from SK tomorrow, no mafia kills and an alive Plutarch. Your case against plutarch tomorrow would have been foolproof, no way he could have defended himself against that if you claimed tomorrow.

3. There was no way you were gonna die this night. So you could have gotten one more safe check without problems.


You're right about the last 2. My claim was stupid. Breadcrumbs are fine. All breadcrumbs really need to do is make your checks clear. Leaving more than that is just asking for trouble.


No breadcrumbs are there so that when you claim your claim is iron clad.

A good breadcrumb will crumb your role (which you didn't do)

Crumb your checks before the day posts (which you didn't do)

and the results after it. (which you didn't do)

Well we just have different opinions on this. I don't feel like I need to make myself obvious as cop to outargue scum. If you want to use that against me that is your prerogative
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:31 GMT
#2935
On December 18 2013 03:29 Plutarch wrote:
Also which cop in their right mind would check me night two after the purple lynch? I should be one of the last checks you would make as cop after that wagon went down.

There was absolutely no way that lynch was pushed by town. There was no reasoning for lynching Purple. I think that is becoming more and more clear from the flips so far this game. I thought about checking Xata and checked you instead. You weren't scum though you were SK.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:33 GMT
#2938
On December 18 2013 03:31 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:29 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:27 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:24 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:17 sidesprang wrote:
Hmm, there are three things I dont like about the claim.

1. He did not leave any breadcrumbs for like the first idk 30 hours of this day, and also they were very weak. The breadcrum on Vayne I buy tho. Would be a very nice breadcrumb.

2. Why did you claim? We were gonna lynch Xata = confirmed scum, and Xata tried to "talk" to the SK and told him that Scum were gonna lynch SK (aka plutarch). So if you kept quiet, we would have lynchd xata, and woken up to only 1 kill from SK tomorrow, no mafia kills and an alive Plutarch. Your case against plutarch tomorrow would have been foolproof, no way he could have defended himself against that if you claimed tomorrow.

3. There was no way you were gonna die this night. So you could have gotten one more safe check without problems.


You're right about the last 2. My claim was stupid. Breadcrumbs are fine. All breadcrumbs really need to do is make your checks clear. Leaving more than that is just asking for trouble.


No breadcrumbs are there so that when you claim your claim is iron clad.

A good breadcrumb will crumb your role (which you didn't do)

Crumb your checks before the day posts (which you didn't do)

and the results after it. (which you didn't do)

Well we just have different opinions on this. I don't feel like I need to make myself obvious as cop to outargue scum. If you want to use that against me that is your prerogative


Crumbs don't need to be obvious. They just need to exist in a way which cannot be faked. all yours were easily faked.

i told you already. I have never been cop before. Look in any of my past games scum or town and you will not find me ever having a town tell on a specific player that I won't reveal which is deterring me from lynching him
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:34 GMT
#2940
On December 18 2013 03:32 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:31 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:29 Plutarch wrote:
Also which cop in their right mind would check me night two after the purple lynch? I should be one of the last checks you would make as cop after that wagon went down.

There was absolutely no way that lynch was pushed by town. There was no reasoning for lynching Purple. I think that is becoming more and more clear from the flips so far this game. I thought about checking Xata and checked you instead. You weren't scum though you were SK.


So there is absolutely no way that the first scum wagon was pushed by town? right.

If it makes sense then it is pushed by town. There was no reasoning for him being scum and he got killed without my help. That wagon is pushed by scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:37 GMT
#2943
On December 18 2013 03:35 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:32 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:31 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:29 Plutarch wrote:
Also which cop in their right mind would check me night two after the purple lynch? I should be one of the last checks you would make as cop after that wagon went down.

There was absolutely no way that lynch was pushed by town. There was no reasoning for lynching Purple. I think that is becoming more and more clear from the flips so far this game. I thought about checking Xata and checked you instead. You weren't scum though you were SK.


So there is absolutely no way that the first scum wagon was pushed by town? right.

If it makes sense then it is pushed by town. There was no reasoning for him being scum and he got killed without my help. That wagon is pushed by scum.


OK you are clearly an idiot.

Scum won Time to DIe just from bussing one player. We lynched everybody against the wagon because people followed your logic that scum wouldn't bus.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:44 GMT
#2948
On December 18 2013 03:41 Plutarch wrote:
No. The cop should not claim. Just lynch grack cause he is a liar and scum. if he flips town I will lynch myself.

The cop should claim when they are ready or have anything to report. we still have 1 lynch to play with.

herp derp. I am actually the crab and don't want people to question why no other cop has claimed. I will probably claim that Grack is VT the next day and find somebody I want to lynch more than him.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:48 GMT
#2952
On December 18 2013 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:35 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:32 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:31 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:29 Plutarch wrote:
Also which cop in their right mind would check me night two after the purple lynch? I should be one of the last checks you would make as cop after that wagon went down.

There was absolutely no way that lynch was pushed by town. There was no reasoning for lynching Purple. I think that is becoming more and more clear from the flips so far this game. I thought about checking Xata and checked you instead. You weren't scum though you were SK.


So there is absolutely no way that the first scum wagon was pushed by town? right.

If it makes sense then it is pushed by town. There was no reasoning for him being scum and he got killed without my help. That wagon is pushed by scum.


OK you are clearly an idiot.

Scum won Time to DIe just from bussing one player. We lynched everybody against the wagon because people followed your logic that scum wouldn't bus.

Who's Plutarch and how do you know it?

He called me an idiot for believing scum were bussing. That was my response.

or if you'd prefer, "Plutarch is Supersoft. We are scum together and I accidentally slipped his identity. Let's lynch him."
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:48 GMT
#2953
On December 18 2013 03:46 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:35 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:32 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:31 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:29 Plutarch wrote:
Also which cop in their right mind would check me night two after the purple lynch? I should be one of the last checks you would make as cop after that wagon went down.

There was absolutely no way that lynch was pushed by town. There was no reasoning for lynching Purple. I think that is becoming more and more clear from the flips so far this game. I thought about checking Xata and checked you instead. You weren't scum though you were SK.


So there is absolutely no way that the first scum wagon was pushed by town? right.

If it makes sense then it is pushed by town. There was no reasoning for him being scum and he got killed without my help. That wagon is pushed by scum.


OK you are clearly an idiot.

Scum won Time to DIe just from bussing one player. We lynched everybody against the wagon because people followed your logic that scum wouldn't bus.

Who's Plutarch and how do you know it?


I didn't even play in that game and I can prove it if I claim my real identity.

do it.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:49 GMT
#2954
Rayn why haven't you given any opinion on this?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 18:58 GMT
#2963
Tell us Plutarch
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:01 GMT
#2968
On December 18 2013 03:58 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Tell us Plutarch

Admit you are scum and a liar and then I will.

Nah I'm not . You are probably going to survive. Everyone still seems to believe you for some reason.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:05 GMT
#2971
On December 18 2013 04:03 Xatalos wrote:
LOL if Plutarch is SK

I doubt it though

Why?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:05 GMT
#2973
I don't think people realize that SK can appear pro-town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:07 GMT
#2974
Breadcrumbs like that are dumb. Sure I can make some breadcrumb that I am cop from the start of the day and if the scum are decent I will be night killed. You didn't look for the cop at all?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:10 GMT
#2978
On December 18 2013 04:08 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:05 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think people realize that SK can appear pro-town.

Not as pro town as I have been. It is really hard to fake the amount of scumhunting and engagement I have shown this game. Really really hard. Just the size of my filter would be a record for third party I imagine.

You didn't set any records lol. I'm sure I can find 3rd parties with longer filters than yours.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:10 GMT
#2980
On December 18 2013 04:09 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:07 Grackaroni wrote:
Breadcrumbs like that are dumb. Sure I can make some breadcrumb that I am cop from the start of the day and if the scum are decent I will be night killed. You didn't look for the cop at all?


No. You hide the crumbs. And no I didn't look for the cop. I looked for scum. I thought someone was the cop but I was wrong.

Who did you think was cop?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:12 GMT
#2983
Sure, you'd like people to believe that you are the guy that quits when he is 3rd party or when he is losing as scum. Post on that account.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:12 GMT
#2985
VE had over 10 by day1 in the last game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:13 GMT
#2986
On December 18 2013 04:12 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:09 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:07 Grackaroni wrote:
Breadcrumbs like that are dumb. Sure I can make some breadcrumb that I am cop from the start of the day and if the scum are decent I will be night killed. You didn't look for the cop at all?


No. You hide the crumbs. And no I didn't look for the cop. I looked for scum. I thought someone was the cop but I was wrong.

Who did you think was cop?


Why would I tell you? you are scum. And why do you care if you are actually the cop? ROFL.

Yeah. So why did you change your mind if it wasn't somebody that died?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:18 GMT
#2992
On December 18 2013 04:17 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:
Sure, you'd like people to believe that you are the guy that quits when he is 3rd party or when he is losing as scum. Post on that account.


You are very disrespectful.

lol w/e I read that in the thread with the mafia win rates and people wanted to drop yours for replacing.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:22 GMT
#2996
I know you're SK Plutarch. It says it in the PM
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:26 GMT
#2999
On December 18 2013 04:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Is DP the guy who replaces out whenever he rolls 3p?

You know I'm telling the truth right BH?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:26 GMT
#3001
If I was mafia I'd be trolling right now.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:28 GMT
#3006
On December 18 2013 04:27 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:26 Grackaroni wrote:
If I was mafia I'd be trolling right now.


You're life is a lie and your claim was a troll.

I'm not sure about the life part, but the second part is false.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:28 GMT
#3008
On December 18 2013 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:26 Grackaroni wrote:
If I was mafia I'd be trolling right now.

And if you are mafia how are you not trolling here?

DP is doing everything he can to discredit my claim and I'm still here explaining my actions.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:29 GMT
#3009
On December 18 2013 04:28 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:
Sure, you'd like people to believe that you are the guy that quits when he is 3rd party or when he is losing as scum. Post on that account.


I'd like you to link where people said this please.

Hey if BH had the same thought as me it can't be that farfetched. I cannot vouch for the validity of this statement.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:35 GMT
#3015
On December 18 2013 04:34 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:32 Xatalos wrote:
Although if Plutarch isn't SK then why isn't he willing to lynch Grack? Whatever, it'll be resolved with the night actions


What? clearly I want to lynch grack. There is no point switching from one mafia everyone is sure of to another I am only sure of. Not worth the sure thing lynch.

Your scum buddy JJD made the same stupid argument. lel.

There is no other cop because that would be imbalanced. That's the funniest thing. I don't see any way for you to win this game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:36 GMT
#3018
On December 18 2013 04:30 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:29 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:28 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:
Sure, you'd like people to believe that you are the guy that quits when he is 3rd party or when he is losing as scum. Post on that account.


I'd like you to link where people said this please.

Hey if BH had the same thought as me it can't be that farfetched. I cannot vouch for the validity of this statement.


Blazinghand is a troll who mentored me in my newbies and whom I love sometimes. You were just rude.

I apologize for my rudeness. I thought you were pulling a ploy to discredit me. Heated situation.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:39 GMT
#3023
On December 18 2013 04:38 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:35 Xatalos wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:34 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:32 Xatalos wrote:
Although if Plutarch isn't SK then why isn't he willing to lynch Grack? Whatever, it'll be resolved with the night actions


What? clearly I want to lynch grack. There is no point switching from one mafia everyone is sure of to another I am only sure of. Not worth the sure thing lynch.

Your scum buddy JJD made the same stupid argument. lel.


The difference is that if Grack actually is Cop, you're screwed if he flips? I'm a bit puzzled by your preference to lynch me... whatever

lel look at the scum team come together to try and take me down. How adorable and futile.

I'm pretty sure I'm voting Xatalos lol. And I tried to kill him yesterday too.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:40 GMT
#3025
On December 18 2013 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:30 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:29 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:28 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:
Sure, you'd like people to believe that you are the guy that quits when he is 3rd party or when he is losing as scum. Post on that account.


I'd like you to link where people said this please.

Hey if BH had the same thought as me it can't be that farfetched. I cannot vouch for the validity of this statement.


Blazinghand is a troll who mentored me in my newbies and whom I love sometimes. You were just rude.

I apologize for my rudeness. I thought you were pulling a ploy to discredit me. Heated situation.

I'm really not sure if i am reading the thread correctly but wasn't it you who tried to reason your argument with "this is the guy who bla bla..." ?

Yeah I thought that was why he chose to claim a name now when he had the check on him rather than before when everybody wanted him to claim.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:41 GMT
#3028
On December 18 2013 04:40 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:39 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:38 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:35 Xatalos wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:34 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:32 Xatalos wrote:
Although if Plutarch isn't SK then why isn't he willing to lynch Grack? Whatever, it'll be resolved with the night actions


What? clearly I want to lynch grack. There is no point switching from one mafia everyone is sure of to another I am only sure of. Not worth the sure thing lynch.

Your scum buddy JJD made the same stupid argument. lel.


The difference is that if Grack actually is Cop, you're screwed if he flips? I'm a bit puzzled by your preference to lynch me... whatever

lel look at the scum team come together to try and take me down. How adorable and futile.

I'm pretty sure I'm voting Xatalos lol. And I tried to kill him yesterday too.


And yet he and JJD are trying to discredit me as much as possible. Cute.

I don't know what Xatalos is doing. Scum should want the SK alive and try to lynch me instead.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:42 GMT
#3029
On December 18 2013 04:41 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:40 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:30 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:29 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:28 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:
Sure, you'd like people to believe that you are the guy that quits when he is 3rd party or when he is losing as scum. Post on that account.


I'd like you to link where people said this please.

Hey if BH had the same thought as me it can't be that farfetched. I cannot vouch for the validity of this statement.


Blazinghand is a troll who mentored me in my newbies and whom I love sometimes. You were just rude.

I apologize for my rudeness. I thought you were pulling a ploy to discredit me. Heated situation.

I'm really not sure if i am reading the thread correctly but wasn't it you who tried to reason your argument with "this is the guy who bla bla..." ?

Yeah I thought that was why he chose to claim a name now when he had the check on him rather than before when everybody wanted him to claim.


I claimed because rayn guessed and then you were rude as shit to me.

I said that after you claimed?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:43 GMT
#3032
No need to be butt-hurt. You called me an idiot. i said DP quits as scum/3p. Clearly I am mistaken. Who cares.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:44 GMT
#3035
lol see the scummer believes me.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:45 GMT
#3037
On December 18 2013 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni why did you in fact check Plutarch?

because I didn't think that wagon was a town wagon because Purple got lynched for no reason. The entire situation flipped when he jumped on board so I accredited it to him.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:46 GMT
#3040
lol Rayn, Xata is clearly trolling.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:47 GMT
#3043
On December 18 2013 04:46 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:45 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni why did you in fact check Plutarch?

because I didn't think that wagon was a town wagon because Purple got lynched for no reason. The entire situation flipped when he jumped on board so I accredited it to him.


So you checked me cause I got the wagon going on scum. Seems legit.

A wagon that shouldn't have happened? Yes.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:47 GMT
#3045
On December 18 2013 04:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:45 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni why did you in fact check Plutarch?

because I didn't think that wagon was a town wagon because Purple got lynched for no reason. The entire situation flipped when he jumped on board so I accredited it to him.

And why did you check him instead of me?

I will probably be checking you tonight.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 19:52 GMT
#3056
Oh I'm not on Xatalos lol.
##Unvote: Plutarch
##Vote: Xatalos
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:14 GMT
#3075
On December 18 2013 05:13 LSB wrote:
Plutarch = hapa?

yeah
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:16 GMT
#3079
On December 18 2013 05:14 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 05:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:03 Plutarch wrote:
And yet you are saying that I am sk cause I want to lynch grack TOMORROW.
Of course. If we lynch Grack today, you will be lynched tomorrow and you will lose the game. If we lynch Grack tomorrow, U have a shot.

See and this is why Ur SK. Cause u know my analysis above is correct and you're pretending you don't.


If we lynch grack tomorrow if I am the serial killer I get lynched the following day and lose. But If I am town and we lynch grack tomorrow town almost certainly wins.

Everyone should know I cannot be mafia at this point.

So the only way I can win the game is by achieving the town win condition and lynching grack.

The only way scum can win is by lynching me.

If I was serial killer and was actually caught, then the only thing I could do was king-make. And let's be honest I would king-make town because scum have played awfully.

This being said. You will never mislynch me regardless because grack is not the cop and the cop will be smart enough to claim if I am ever in danger of being lynched.

So ggyo. This fight is over me arguing well enough to prevent the real cop having to claim. You (Grack, Xat, Purp, JJD) Lose.

You do not account for the Serial Killer in that post lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:19 GMT
#3083
Blazinghand. You are the only confirmed town and you will probably die. I need you to look at my claim and help town. If Rayn isn't scum then town will lose.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:20 GMT
#3085
On December 18 2013 05:18 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 05:16 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:14 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:03 Plutarch wrote:
And yet you are saying that I am sk cause I want to lynch grack TOMORROW.
Of course. If we lynch Grack today, you will be lynched tomorrow and you will lose the game. If we lynch Grack tomorrow, U have a shot.

See and this is why Ur SK. Cause u know my analysis above is correct and you're pretending you don't.


If we lynch grack tomorrow if I am the serial killer I get lynched the following day and lose. But If I am town and we lynch grack tomorrow town almost certainly wins.

Everyone should know I cannot be mafia at this point.

So the only way I can win the game is by achieving the town win condition and lynching grack.

The only way scum can win is by lynching me.

If I was serial killer and was actually caught, then the only thing I could do was king-make. And let's be honest I would king-make town because scum have played awfully.

This being said. You will never mislynch me regardless because grack is not the cop and the cop will be smart enough to claim if I am ever in danger of being lynched.

So ggyo. This fight is over me arguing well enough to prevent the real cop having to claim. You (Grack, Xat, Purp, JJD) Lose.

You do not account for the Serial Killer in that post lol.


LOL Because the serial killer isn't me and that is the only version of the serial killer I accounted for!

Scumslip.

No you said the game is over once we lynch Grack/Xat/Purp/JJD. And it shouldn't be from your perspective because you still could lose to the SK.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:20 GMT
#3086
On December 18 2013 05:19 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This game reminds me of Thug life.


I didn't read that game. Did three scum all claim mafia day 3?

5 + 1 townie
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:22 GMT
#3091
On December 18 2013 05:21 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 05:20 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:18 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:16 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:14 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:03 Plutarch wrote:
And yet you are saying that I am sk cause I want to lynch grack TOMORROW.
Of course. If we lynch Grack today, you will be lynched tomorrow and you will lose the game. If we lynch Grack tomorrow, U have a shot.

See and this is why Ur SK. Cause u know my analysis above is correct and you're pretending you don't.


If we lynch grack tomorrow if I am the serial killer I get lynched the following day and lose. But If I am town and we lynch grack tomorrow town almost certainly wins.

Everyone should know I cannot be mafia at this point.

So the only way I can win the game is by achieving the town win condition and lynching grack.

The only way scum can win is by lynching me.

If I was serial killer and was actually caught, then the only thing I could do was king-make. And let's be honest I would king-make town because scum have played awfully.

This being said. You will never mislynch me regardless because grack is not the cop and the cop will be smart enough to claim if I am ever in danger of being lynched.

So ggyo. This fight is over me arguing well enough to prevent the real cop having to claim. You (Grack, Xat, Purp, JJD) Lose.

You do not account for the Serial Killer in that post lol.


LOL Because the serial killer isn't me and that is the only version of the serial killer I accounted for!

Scumslip.

No you said the game is over once we lynch Grack/Xat/Purp/JJD. And it shouldn't be from your perspective because you still could lose to the SK.


No you said I didn't account for the serial killer implying it wasn't me. And at this point watching the entire scum team die would be victory enough.

But town would have a cop and it should become fairly obvious.

I don't even. If you want to claim that is a scum slip go ahead.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:25 GMT
#3096
On December 18 2013 05:22 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:19 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This game reminds me of Thug life.


I didn't read that game. Did three scum all claim mafia day 3?

They claimed every day. 5/6 scum claimed scum and the only one who didn't was shot by scum.


Wow. I have to admire grack for sticking with it this game. Even though Him and JJD are slipping quite a bit now.

You have been quite resilient. JJD is right though. You just need to survive 2 days and lower the town numbers to where they cannot lynch you without losing. If JJD and I are scum there is no reason for us to keep doing this shit.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:28 GMT
#3102
On December 18 2013 05:27 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:24 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:14 Plutarch wrote:
If we lynch grack tomorrow if I am the serial killer I get lynched the following day and lose. But If I am town and we lynch grack tomorrow town almost certainly wins.

NO. And you know this isn't true so stop lying.

I already explained but if this is the case then on the next day it likely becomes:

2 town
2 scum
1 SK


We cant lynch you or we lose. So please explain why you're lying.


I would still lose as the SK cause town would lynch me. You keep making these arguments based on my true, town, win condition and then calling me the sk. Really dumb.

Actually that's not true if that was the situation because at this point town needs to lynch mafia.


That is true but he also assumes the SK would be shooting town which I don;t think is true at this point either.

Regardless there is a CC out there if I need it so I am not worried.

Obviously it would be preferable if it was not needed.

That is the point. If you shoot at mafia then town can just lynch you after I am lynched.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:33 GMT
#3109
On December 18 2013 05:31 Plutarch wrote:
I love how deep these scummers are getting when they know there is a counterclaim out there.

Lol you are the one trying to sell this off as a valid mafia strategy.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:44 GMT
#3123
On December 18 2013 05:40 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 05:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is jjd scum?


Cause read the thread.

Nice.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:49 GMT
#3127
I actually did think people would lynch the SK.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:51 GMT
#3130
On December 18 2013 05:51 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta admit I'm pretty disappointed we are not lynching x x

who wants to swap

Blazinghand is the real troll lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:54 GMT
#3137
On December 18 2013 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
nah actually xat more likely to flip scum and he did claim scum

I guess he's the better policy lynch

Are you sure? You need to recheck. Also do you think from Blazinghand pov, did Grackaroni have good enough breadcrumbs to be cop?

Ok. Obviously my claim doesn't compare to a Blazinghand claim lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:55 GMT
#3138
On December 18 2013 05:54 Blazinghand wrote:
well I don't like grack crumbs and there is a post he made earlier that makes my antennae tingle with suspicion.

still xat claimed scum so we Lynch him

WTF BH
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:55 GMT
#3139
I would check you right now if I didn't know you were town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:58 GMT
#3147
On December 18 2013 05:56 Blazinghand wrote:
what was wrong with my post

I just can't believe that you don't think my claim is real. And this is important. I have absolutely no clue why your only goal this game is to policy XigXag.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 20:59 GMT
#3150
Just because I don't think of sock head...
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 21:00 GMT
#3155
The only person using real arguments is JJD
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 21:05 GMT
#3166
On December 18 2013 06:03 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 05:59 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:54 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:47 Plutarch wrote:
Cause you only need one mislynch to win?
Can you just admit that this is a lie now to save me the time it will take to prove you wrong, have you deny that I proved you wrong 3 times, and then eventually admit I was right and then u can claim "Golly gee, I guess I just wasn't paying attention"?


If town mislynches we are pretty much done. I don't care about the pedantry of it. So no.

OK, that's twice now that you lied, were proven wrong, and admitted it.


So I ask again:
On December 18 2013 05:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Why would Grack make this play as scum? To save someone that claimed scum? Think, people!



Because he is desperate or bad or both.

Why would he do it as town? He could have said nothing, got another check off I would not have been night killed like scum planned in thread and bam easy lynch.

Why a real cop check me night two after I was a major contributor to lynching scum?

Why would a real cop not claim until 4 hours before the lynch?

Why would a real cop place breadcrumbs 1 hour before he claims?

Because I wasn't going to claim and then I got annoyed with your response and decided I'd just lynch you. It's all been explained.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 21:06 GMT
#3169
On December 18 2013 06:06 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 06:05 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 06:03 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:59 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:54 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:47 Plutarch wrote:
Cause you only need one mislynch to win?
Can you just admit that this is a lie now to save me the time it will take to prove you wrong, have you deny that I proved you wrong 3 times, and then eventually admit I was right and then u can claim "Golly gee, I guess I just wasn't paying attention"?


If town mislynches we are pretty much done. I don't care about the pedantry of it. So no.

OK, that's twice now that you lied, were proven wrong, and admitted it.


So I ask again:
On December 18 2013 05:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Why would Grack make this play as scum? To save someone that claimed scum? Think, people!



Because he is desperate or bad or both.

Why would he do it as town? He could have said nothing, got another check off I would not have been night killed like scum planned in thread and bam easy lynch.

Why a real cop check me night two after I was a major contributor to lynching scum?

Why would a real cop not claim until 4 hours before the lynch?

Why would a real cop place breadcrumbs 1 hour before he claims?

Because I wasn't going to claim and then I got annoyed with your response and decided I'd just lynch you. It's all been explained.


It was rhetorical. A real cop would not do any of those things. You don't need to answer me scum.

A real cop just did all of those things.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 21:06 GMT
#3170
SCUM
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 17 2013 21:08 GMT
#3173
On December 18 2013 06:07 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 06:06 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 06:06 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 06:05 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 06:03 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:59 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:54 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 18 2013 05:47 Plutarch wrote:
Cause you only need one mislynch to win?
Can you just admit that this is a lie now to save me the time it will take to prove you wrong, have you deny that I proved you wrong 3 times, and then eventually admit I was right and then u can claim "Golly gee, I guess I just wasn't paying attention"?


If town mislynches we are pretty much done. I don't care about the pedantry of it. So no.

OK, that's twice now that you lied, were proven wrong, and admitted it.


So I ask again:
On December 18 2013 05:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Why would Grack make this play as scum? To save someone that claimed scum? Think, people!



Because he is desperate or bad or both.

Why would he do it as town? He could have said nothing, got another check off I would not have been night killed like scum planned in thread and bam easy lynch.

Why a real cop check me night two after I was a major contributor to lynching scum?

Why would a real cop not claim until 4 hours before the lynch?

Why would a real cop place breadcrumbs 1 hour before he claims?

Because I wasn't going to claim and then I got annoyed with your response and decided I'd just lynch you. It's all been explained.


It was rhetorical. A real cop would not do any of those things. You don't need to answer me scum.

A real cop just did all of those things.


I don;t see why you bother when you are going to get counter claimed.

lol are you going to counter claim me?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 01:46 GMT
#3184
I'll announce who I am checking before the deadline.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 01:52 GMT
#3185
Slam you never gave your input on the whole situation.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 03:55 GMT
#3192
Ha! What shenanigan would I pull Plutarch. I could check XigXag and lynch you regardless. If you flipped VT then my check would be meaningless.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 03:55 GMT
#3193
Also I will check who I want.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 03:55 GMT
#3194
And if you want me to lynch me for it then that is on you.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:11 GMT
#3198
Yeah he wanted you to explain that LSB. You really shouldn't care who I check Plutarch.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:19 GMT
#3201
On December 18 2013 13:15 Plutarch wrote:
Not that you are actually checking anyone. LOL.

heh. Things get confusing real fast
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:20 GMT
#3203
If you just claimed I might be inclined to work with you just for the hell of it lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:22 GMT
#3205
On December 18 2013 13:21 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 13:20 Grackaroni wrote:
If you just claimed I might be inclined to work with you just for the hell of it lol.


WTF? Claim scum more bro.

lol
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:24 GMT
#3207
On December 18 2013 13:23 Plutarch wrote:
What town cop in their right mind who has a check on the serial killer cares if I claim? And why the hell would they work with the serial killer?

Dat scum claim.

A pretty anti-town one haha.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:27 GMT
#3208
But if you really feel the need to prove yourself, tell me:
On December 18 2013 13:15 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 13:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah he wanted you to explain that LSB. You really shouldn't care who I check Plutarch.


I just want you to check who town requests so that you can't manipulate anything behind the scenes.

It really should not be a problem for you to just check who confirmed town blazinghand requests.

What VT would worry about me manipulating checks when I'm already set to vote you tomorrow regardless. It only matters who I check if I'm actually a cop and get confirmed by your flip.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:31 GMT
#3211
*Calls other bad and rages when people accuse of him of quitting"
-Darthpunk
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:33 GMT
#3213
On December 18 2013 13:30 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 13:27 Grackaroni wrote:
But if you really feel the need to prove yourself, tell me:
On December 18 2013 13:15 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 13:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah he wanted you to explain that LSB. You really shouldn't care who I check Plutarch.


I just want you to check who town requests so that you can't manipulate anything behind the scenes.

It really should not be a problem for you to just check who confirmed town blazinghand requests.

What VT would worry about me manipulating checks when I'm already set to vote you tomorrow regardless. It only matters who I check if I'm actually a cop and get confirmed by your flip.


No. I don't know what you could be planning. It is well known to good players that in a disputed claim such as this town decides the checks.

For the good of the land.

That's not the point lol. If I'm not a cop why would you care who I check. my vote is going to be on your tomorrow regardless of who I would be "checking" and then I would be proven false after your flip. That is how you slipped.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:37 GMT
#3216
On December 18 2013 13:36 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 12:56 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 12:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Also I will check who I want.


No you will check who town tells you.


Nobody told me to check Plutarch and look how that worked out.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:41 GMT
#3220
On December 18 2013 13:36 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 13:33 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 18 2013 13:30 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 13:27 Grackaroni wrote:
But if you really feel the need to prove yourself, tell me:
On December 18 2013 13:15 Plutarch wrote:
On December 18 2013 13:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah he wanted you to explain that LSB. You really shouldn't care who I check Plutarch.


I just want you to check who town requests so that you can't manipulate anything behind the scenes.

It really should not be a problem for you to just check who confirmed town blazinghand requests.

What VT would worry about me manipulating checks when I'm already set to vote you tomorrow regardless. It only matters who I check if I'm actually a cop and get confirmed by your flip.


No. I don't know what you could be planning. It is well known to good players that in a disputed claim such as this town decides the checks.

For the good of the land.

That's not the point lol. If I'm not a cop why would you care who I check. my vote is going to be on your tomorrow regardless of who I would be "checking" and then I would be proven false after your flip. That is how you slipped.


No the point is that you do what town says. I know you are a liar but the rest of the town doesn't so to prevent any manipulation or in case I am lying I want you to listen to the town.

This prevents things like saying you will check someone and then night killing that person.

But if we tell you to check Xigxag and you night kill them then that is fine. Almost like a vig shot.

"I don't want to expose myself. I am going to hope Grack isn't really a cop. If he is cop then don't lynch me because I am acting in the interest of town!"

Even after I "made up" a check on you, you think I'm afraid of making up a check on somebody else.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:42 GMT
#3222
Alright let's talk it out.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:45 GMT
#3225
On December 18 2013 13:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 13:42 Grackaroni wrote:
Alright let's talk it out.


ok so my initial thought was checking xigxag but now i'm having second thoughts on it.

advantages:
> xigxag will not be readable at any point in this game

I like that we could use a check on him since we don't have vigis and we can't trust scum/sk to kill him

disadvantages:
> there is a non-trivial chance xigxag gets modkilled.
>the fact that he hasn't been modkilled yet is soft evidence that he is actually town;

my new position is to not check xigxag. what do you think?

I haven't really been planning on checking XigXag. I have no clue what your deal with him is. Even when he was making posts you started trying to policy him as unreadable.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:57 GMT
#3231
On December 15 2013 06:01 Aquanim wrote:
Final Vote Count


purpletrator (6): raynpelikoneet, Plutarch, ArtanisXp, VayneAuthority, Xatalos, Blazinghand

VayneAuthority (5): JarJarDrinks, xigxag, sidesprang, LSB, Purpletrator

LSB (2): Kushm4sta, Coagulation

xigxag (1): Alakaslam

Xatalos (1): Grackaroni

NOT VOTING: Nobody

Purpletrator has been lynched!

Nightpost in a couple of minutes. Please stop posting unless you find a mistake in the votecount.

Ok. Using this for a reference.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 04:59 GMT
#3232
I think slam is a good check.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 05:00 GMT
#3233
I doubt Artanis was scum with Xatalos and I don't believe Rayn would push a scum wagon so hard as mafia without more scum support for cred later in the game when he would be in danger of being night killed. Xatalos was a last minute addition.

Mafia probably did panic during the lynch.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 05:02 GMT
#3236
LSB was the guy with the really strange word choice when lynching Vayne right?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 05:08 GMT
#3239
On December 18 2013 14:07 Blazinghand wrote:
i like sidesprang on that list for sure actually, i can't generate a good read on him

sidesprang lsb alakaslam as the group to check into, then?

I'm fine with checking in to that group.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 18:54 GMT
#3278
its irrelevant because there is no 2nd cop.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 18:54 GMT
#3279
You guys are so silly
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 19:00 GMT
#3282
still silly. i've been in here trying to help town. Plutarch just throws shit onto people for supporting me
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 19:01 GMT
#3285
if that CC was going to happen it would have happened by now. If there was a 2nd cop it should be pretty obvious.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 19:02 GMT
#3286
BH what do you think about Rayn? potential scummer?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 19:04 GMT
#3288
On December 19 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 19 2013 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:
if that CC was going to happen it would have happened by now. If there was a 2nd cop it should be pretty obvious.

Don't be fucking stupid. If you are lying there is no reason the real cop should claim until 1min before deadline and you know it.

I would sit there and change the kill the minute before the deadline. muahahahahha
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 19:06 GMT
#3291
On December 19 2013 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like here is the deal:
Grack is real cop -> there is not gonna be a CC. We lynch Plutarch the next day.
Grack is lying -> there is a counter-claim at the deadline, we lynch Grack the next day.
Plutarch could still be SK in the second scenario.

No chance of scum counterclaiming me tomorrow? Come on Rayn you are better than that.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 19:06 GMT
#3293
Posts like those... I don't even. Are you scum this game?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 19:10 GMT
#3302
On December 19 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 19 2013 04:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Man I really don't know like I know I'm supposed to be that guy who catches rayn when he's scum but if rayn is scum this game he has me fooled rather admirably. The only reason I have any suspicion of him is that when rayn is town he usually projects more of his personality. I usually get a feeling his town. There are definitely times when he's town and he doesn't do that but that's the thing that had him initially on my "what's the deal with this guy" list.

Ultimately he's not doing the obvious thing like pretending to be drunk or pushing a no lynch or anything weird like that so I don't think he's a good lynch for tomorrow

You have managed to play in games where i have played like absolute crap as scum BH..
But i am not scum, there is no way i would have lynched purple if i was mafia, i'm not stupid as scum. That would have been very very stupid, when i could have just lynched Vayne.

Where are you on your cycle? Are you on track to have good or bad scum play this game?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:17 GMT
#3360
lol Rayn twisting the actions
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:17 GMT
#3361
I should have seen it earlier
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:18 GMT
#3362
Plutarch SK + Rayn + Alakaslam scum
Calling it now.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:18 GMT
#3364
yeah shoot him plz
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:19 GMT
#3365
Or are you changing your shot?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:20 GMT
#3366
What have you done to help the town Plutarch? Show me why JJD is scum. All you've done is fling shit in his direction for supporting my claim.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:21 GMT
#3369
On December 19 2013 05:20 Plutarch wrote:
WOW who in their right mind would think rayn is MAFIA at this point.

What in the actual fuck. It makes no sense.

Like this guy is so OBVIOUSLY scum.

what... I don't even. What?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:22 GMT
#3371
On December 19 2013 05:21 Plutarch wrote:
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On December 19 2013 05:20 Grackaroni wrote:
What have you done to help the town Plutarch? Show me why JJD is scum. All you've done is fling shit in his direction for supporting my claim.


Caught three scum and was a major contributor in getting the fourth lynched. Hue.

I haven't been paying attention. You are referring to the "Lets sheep rayn because I don't know what I'm doing" and the "hmmm seals typically come from scum players"?
Grackaroni
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December 18 2013 20:22 GMT
#3373
On December 19 2013 05:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 19 2013 05:17 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Rayn twisting the actions

Exactly how am i doing that?

I explained that I was against the purple lynch so that is why I didn't vote. I was a vocal opponent of the purple lynch. Why wouldn't I vote Vayne during that wagon.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:25 GMT
#3380
On December 19 2013 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 19 2013 05:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:17 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Rayn twisting the actions

Exactly how am i doing that?

I explained that I was against the purple lynch so that is why I didn't vote. I was a vocal opponent of the purple lynch. Why wouldn't I vote Vayne during that wagon.

Because it was D2 and you had a fucking "green check" on Vayne from N1. roflskates.

Yes. You are only considering it from the point of view of a cop. Not from the point of view of scum. If I was scum there is nothing stopping me from switching that vote.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:26 GMT
#3381
The scum are claiming to me and nobody is paying attention. DP's whole play is fake. Nobody actually has the ego he has shown this game. It's an act.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:27 GMT
#3382
On December 19 2013 05:24 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 05:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:21 Plutarch wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:20 Grackaroni wrote:
What have you done to help the town Plutarch? Show me why JJD is scum. All you've done is fling shit in his direction for supporting my claim.


Caught three scum and was a major contributor in getting the fourth lynched. Hue.

I haven't been paying attention. You are referring to the "Lets sheep rayn because I don't know what I'm doing" and the "hmmm seals typically come from scum players"?


Xatalos claimed scum because he knew I had caught him and would get him lynched.

Why am I even bothering. You scum. You know how hard I wrecked your team. :D

I have no team lol
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 20:28 GMT
#3384
On December 19 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 19 2013 05:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:17 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Rayn twisting the actions

Exactly how am i doing that?

I explained that I was against the purple lynch so that is why I didn't vote. I was a vocal opponent of the purple lynch. Why wouldn't I vote Vayne during that wagon.

Because it was D2 and you had a fucking "green check" on Vayne from N1. roflskates.

Yes. You are only considering it from the point of view of a cop. Not from the point of view of scum. If I was scum there is nothing stopping me from switching that vote.

No, cop does not vote for their green checks unless they have strong reasons to believe they are GF, which you apparently did not have.

Scum however, do not know if they are gonna claim a cop later on or not.

Yeah you're scum.

And I didn't vote for my green check. Twist away Rayn.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 20:29 GMT
#3387
On December 19 2013 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 19 2013 05:28 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:17 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Rayn twisting the actions

Exactly how am i doing that?

I explained that I was against the purple lynch so that is why I didn't vote. I was a vocal opponent of the purple lynch. Why wouldn't I vote Vayne during that wagon.

Because it was D2 and you had a fucking "green check" on Vayne from N1. roflskates.

Yes. You are only considering it from the point of view of a cop. Not from the point of view of scum. If I was scum there is nothing stopping me from switching that vote.

No, cop does not vote for their green checks unless they have strong reasons to believe they are GF, which you apparently did not have.

Scum however, do not know if they are gonna claim a cop later on or not.

Yeah you're scum.

And I didn't vote for my green check. Twist away Rayn.

I don't give a fuck what you did and didn't but you are scum.

hahahaha. Yeah this post is coming from a townie.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:31 GMT
#3388
On December 19 2013 05:28 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 05:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:17 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Rayn twisting the actions

Exactly how am i doing that?

I explained that I was against the purple lynch so that is why I didn't vote. I was a vocal opponent of the purple lynch. Why wouldn't I vote Vayne during that wagon.

Because it was D2 and you had a fucking "green check" on Vayne from N1. roflskates.

Yes. You are only considering it from the point of view of a cop. Not from the point of view of scum. If I was scum there is nothing stopping me from switching that vote.


Because you are a claimed cop and your story doesn't make sense from a cop with a green check. Only from a retarded scum.

I can say it again if you would like. I have never had a secret "town tell" on a player before. I only wrote that because I am cop. I agree it doesn't look good in retrospect after Purple somehow flipped scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:35 GMT
#3393
lol anyone else see that day post?
Grackaroni
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December 18 2013 20:37 GMT
#3398
Seems fair.
Grackaroni
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December 18 2013 20:37 GMT
#3399
I'd rather keep chatting though.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:38 GMT
#3401
You'll like it.
Grackaroni
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December 18 2013 20:39 GMT
#3403
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:40 GMT
#3409
I have no idea if night actions are getting swapped so I won't share. I wouldn't allow it. I won't be changing my actions.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:40 GMT
#3413
Btw I'm not the cop. Cop don't claim! I'm all anti-SK now.
Grackaroni
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December 18 2013 20:41 GMT
#3415
On December 19 2013 05:40 Blazinghand wrote:
so yeah grack is scum, if he's alive tmr we lynch him

Shhhh!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:42 GMT
#3421
On December 19 2013 05:41 Blazinghand wrote:
so it seems like the scum strat this game is to claim scum, which i'm fine with. lynch grack imo

I can be of use to youuuuu!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:42 GMT
#3423
On December 19 2013 05:42 Plutarch wrote:
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On December 19 2013 05:40 Grackaroni wrote:
Btw I'm not the cop. Cop don't claim! I'm all anti-SK now.


HAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Told you.

SCummmmmmmmer

lol I shot you.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 20:45 GMT
#3429
I was going to click through all of those but I decided that if there was something in there somebody else would tell me.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:45 GMT
#3433
On December 19 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.

I have no idea why would you suddenly change that?

Because 3 roles got revealed lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:45 GMT
#3434
On December 19 2013 05:45 Plutarch wrote:
JARJARDRINKS IS SCUM.

GG WP
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:46 GMT
#3437
On December 19 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.

I have no idea why would you suddenly change that?

BH what is your opinion of this guy now?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 20:49 GMT
#3439
It was worth it! Pretty awkward that half the town was aware of the fake claim lol.

Xatalos/Artanis
Plutarch
Rayn (Serial Killer)
Alakaslam (Real Cop)
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 20:50 GMT
#3441
Some parting advice. Serial Killer knows that I am fake claiming. Would they blindly trust me or try to prove me a fake for town cred?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 20:51 GMT
#3442
On December 19 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah not gonna read your WIFOM for the next 48h.

lol I legitimately claimed scum now. I'm trying to solve the game for the first time.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 20:55 GMT
#3446
Well for one thing you have shown in thread that you have a night action. Would you like to make a cop claim Rayn?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 20:58 GMT
#3448
On December 19 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.

I have no idea why would you suddenly change that?

Right here lol. It's not like he said in thread "I am no longer accepting night actions"
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:00 GMT
#3449
What are your thoughts for Serial Killer right now?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 21:04 GMT
#3451
On December 19 2013 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 05:58 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.

I have no idea why would you suddenly change that?

Right here lol. It's not like he said in thread "I am no longer accepting night actions"

Yeah and the OP states otherwise? And the best play for the town was to cop to claim right before the deadline and then hosts go against their own rules by posting a day post before it's end of the phase? I had no idea Sentinel posted some flips already..

It seemed to me like you wanted to change the kill off of Artanis. Nothing against you. You fucked us over with the Purple push and the Artanis shot so I am helping town. Even more so than Xatalos and I claiming lol. I didn't know how deep Xatalos had claimed scum. I couldn't get myself to make posts after my Purple defense so I thought I could cause some chaos and get a mislynch before I died.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:05 GMT
#3453
Plutarch was Artanis' shot. I would have kept that going; that was fun
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:08 GMT
#3455
On December 19 2013 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 06:04 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 19 2013 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:58 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.

I have no idea why would you suddenly change that?

Right here lol. It's not like he said in thread "I am no longer accepting night actions"

Yeah and the OP states otherwise? And the best play for the town was to cop to claim right before the deadline and then hosts go against their own rules by posting a day post before it's end of the phase? I had no idea Sentinel posted some flips already..

It seemed to me like you wanted to change the kill off of Artanis. Nothing against you. You fucked us over with the Purple push and the Artanis shot so I am helping town. Even more so than Xatalos and I claiming lol. I didn't know how deep Xatalos had claimed scum. I couldn't get myself to make posts after my Purple defense so I thought I could cause some chaos and get a mislynch before I died.

Except that i am not SK and i had no idea who was going to die or what the fuck happened.
I pushed purple because he was so fucking scummy. I never even thought Artanis was scum after Xatalos flipped scum rofl.

Well then let's work together to find the Serial Killer. Who do you think it is? Not many people left.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:14 GMT
#3457
On December 17 2013 21:14 Xatalos wrote:
Btw SK, we kill Plutarch tonight, so please kill rayn

Town wins if they live

LSB seems rather disobedient.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:15 GMT
#3458
But he also hasn't been reading the thread
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 21:17 GMT
#3459
##Vote: Grackaroni
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 21:20 GMT
#3461
XigXag was Promethelax apparently lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 21:22 GMT
#3462
On December 19 2013 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i was really sure JJD is scum too because he argued with you with so fucking bullshit arguments it does not make any sense. Ugh.. JJD wtf did you do? How could you NOT see Grack was lying. He fucking defended a lynch against his town-check lynch.. rofl.

I dunno, LSB or JJD. I dunno, i think LSB would shoot Bum on N1. I have no idea why he was shot, or why would anyone shoot him, he was so useless.

He fell for the "why would he do this as scum" trap lol
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:25 GMT
#3464
Don't we all.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 21:27 GMT
#3465
Just to confirm. You are arguing that the JJD, the guy who put himself out on a limb for me and made everyone else think he was scum" is the serial killer? Seems like a rather strange thing to do if he knows I am lying.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:29 GMT
#3469
Agreed Slam. JJD is scum.
##Unvote: Grackaroni
##Vote: JarJarDrinks
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:31 GMT
#3471
I highly doubt Sidesprang would shoot Kushm4sta. It's not really a new player shot.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 21:31 GMT
#3472
I am assuming right now that Slam has a green check on me.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 18 2013 21:34 GMT
#3475
On December 19 2013 06:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 06:22 Grackaroni wrote:
He fell for the "why would he do this as scum" trap lol

Well I mean, It was an absolutely terrible play as scum that couldn't possibly work and outed you for no reason. I'll probably fall into that trap everytime.

Yeah but bad plays can come from scum or town. I was really bored and didn't think I would make it much longer after my unexplainable Purple defense. I felt kind of bad for Artanis because i didn't read how fucked Xatalos was lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:34 GMT
#3477
No we shot Blazinghand lol. Silly Plutarch.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:36 GMT
#3479
On December 19 2013 06:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 06:31 Grackaroni wrote:
I am assuming right now that Slam has a green check on me.

I ain't never claimed nothin but vt

I am vt

Ha! then I misread this game. Why didn't you want to get killed this game and why were you so certain on Vayne? You're never certain on anybody.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:37 GMT
#3482
On December 19 2013 06:36 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 06:34 Grackaroni wrote:
No we shot Blazinghand lol. Silly Plutarch.

Wait you claim scum now wrf

I have been for a while lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:37 GMT
#3483
I stole my Vayne read from thinking you had a check on him lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:39 GMT
#3485
On December 19 2013 06:38 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 06:36 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 19 2013 06:34 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 19 2013 06:31 Grackaroni wrote:
I am assuming right now that Slam has a green check on me.

I ain't never claimed nothin but vt

I am vt

Ha! then I misread this game. Why didn't you want to get killed this game and why were you so certain on Vayne? You're never certain on anybody.

Was I even certain on vayne? (Although yeah I was pretty sure)

So what if I was cop why you outing me? See no I'm not a cop.

You still voted him. I thought I could use that for a free day haha.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:40 GMT
#3486
On December 14 2013 01:22 Alakaslam wrote:
To those still thinking I have a red check on vayne : FAR FROM IT. I TOWNREAD HIM, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT HE COULD DO ALL THIS AS EPIC SCUM.

This in particular was a big red flag.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 21:44 GMT
#3489
On December 19 2013 06:43 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 14 2013 01:22 Alakaslam wrote:
To those still thinking I have a red check on vayne : FAR FROM IT. I TOWNREAD HIM, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT HE COULD DO ALL THIS AS EPIC SCUM.

This in particular was a big red flag.

That was even before his flip?

I dunno it's like I get better at reading I'm scummy I get worse I'm lazy, I dunno man

I believe it occurred near the start of day2.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 23:16 GMT
#3493
I forgot I have all the secret info lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 23:16 GMT
#3494
We roleblocked Rayn. Silly Grack.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 18 2013 23:19 GMT
#3495
Try LSB tomorrow. That should be a good guess.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 19 2013 00:23 GMT
#3502
On December 19 2013 09:04 LSB wrote:
Btw Grack who did you shoot each night?
Night 1: Plutarch
Night 2: Rayn
Night 3: Plutarch/XigXag?

Mafia shots were:
Plutarch
Blazinghand
Plutarch
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 19 2013 02:06 GMT
#3506
On December 19 2013 10:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni did you guys have any clue who the SK is?

Artanis secretly believed LSB was SK.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 19 2013 02:14 GMT
#3508
you don't have your own reasoning?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 19 2013 02:26 GMT
#3511
I actually shot HF. Blazinghand is a fraud.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 19 2013 03:35 GMT
#3514
On December 19 2013 12:25 Blazinghand wrote:
sorry was only catching every scum so far not good enough for u

You're thinking of me. I had them nailed since the very start.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 19 2013 03:39 GMT
#3515
Allow me to show off my scum hunting techniques.
Does Roleblocking the Serial Killer prevent him from shooting?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 19 2013 03:42 GMT
#3517
Ok. Rayn and Slam are town. Geez I'm so good at this game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
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December 19 2013 03:53 GMT
#3519
On December 19 2013 12:48 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 12:42 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok. Rayn and Slam are town. Geez I'm so good at this game.

Rofl rofl rofl

Wait then why do you even

What are you doing?

This is the deeper victory

CHUPAZI
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 19 2013 18:44 GMT
#3556
On December 19 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No wait i need to think about this. If you are a cop don't claim.
Grack is possibly bullshitting.

lol we thought slam was cop. He's ben RB a bunch of times.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 19 2013 18:50 GMT
#3558
On December 20 2013 03:48 Blazinghand wrote:
Grack why are you helping us and not the sk? just curious

Beccause I <3 you Blazinghand. And I watched as he killed my mafia brethren!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 19 2013 18:51 GMT
#3559
We RB Rayn because he had the most correct reads n1 and didn't want to get shot.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 19 2013 18:54 GMT
#3560
If you guys want to just speed up the game and put the day post today that is fine with me.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 19 2013 20:05 GMT
#3562
Meh maybe its Rayn.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 20 2013 01:12 GMT
#3571
I am the real vigilante. Blazinghand is full of shit.
On December 20 2013 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I'll even volunteer to get lynched first then we can lynch the counterclaimer

You wouldn't go back on your word now would you BH? That would be quite deceitful of you.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 20 2013 01:12 GMT
#3572
All aboard the BH train.
##Unvote: Grackaroni
##Vote: Blazinghand
Choo Choo!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 20 2013 01:16 GMT
#3575
Excellent!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 20 2013 04:31 GMT
#3580
On December 20 2013 13:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Wassup aqua

Anyway what is who when will they be where

Hello Alakaslam

So where is why you see who wait what.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 20 2013 05:28 GMT
#3582
On December 20 2013 14:11 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 13:31 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 20 2013 13:14 Alakaslam wrote:
Wassup aqua

Anyway what is who when will they be where

Hello Alakaslam

So where is why you see who wait what.

Indeed!

Because for then you can therefore so. That is why and then you can so that yes.

yes but also then you cannot and because fish so therefore Chupazi
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 20 2013 05:29 GMT
#3583
Alakaslam and I have talked. We have concluded that the Serial Killer is LSB.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 20 2013 20:26 GMT
#3589
They have to hit the cop instead of you.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 20 2013 21:19 GMT
#3609
GG Obs qt.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 22 2013 06:19 GMT
#3661
On December 22 2013 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
yet another game carried by blazinghand

I tried to stop you!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9845 Posts
December 22 2013 06:19 GMT
#3662
But the power of Blazinghand was too strong.
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