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On December 13 2013 20:20 sidesprang wrote:
Ok was busy yesterday, had exam today. Read the thread and i'm now starting on filters.
What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things.
One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate.
So my thought is
VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia
VA = Town-> susp votes = town
Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of.
Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes.
I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first.
Not necessarily. Scum can make suspicious votes even if it's town vs town. Naturally the suspicious votes are even more suspicious if VA is scum.
On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all. Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.
Could we please lynch this scum already?
Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is.
These are pretty much non-points / things I have already explained (and Artanis clearly hasn't read). Some of the points are even townie for me (overall aggression, generating discussion, pressuring a lot). That's how I've basically always started the game as town (and recently as scum too -> pretty much null). Really quite bad reasons for wanting to lynch me #1. Incidentally, this "case" is a decent additional reason to lynch Artanis.
How many would be up for lynching Artanis today? rayn, you at least mentioned that Artanis was scummy N1. Please, get off Plutarch and lynch a much scummier player (Plutarch isn't even scummy, and it puzzles me that you're going for him).
On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!
bumatlarge the Civilian has been eaten by Sebastian!
Holyflare's death doesn't give that much new info in itself, but the more important part is that it confirms Corazon as a (misguided) Vigi. Regardless, he's town, which makes Artanis look (very slightly) better and probably me/Plutarch worse. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on. (as a sidenote, from the shock that this Vigi shot caused, I probably won't be trusting Vigilantes to make sensible choices in the future).
bum's death is a big mystery to me, since he did pretty much nothing all game. Does anyone have an idea about why the SK would shoot him? Maybe he thought bum was scum? In that case there might be some merit in going through who suspected bum.
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Other players who would be decent lynches are purple and LSB.
- purple's vote wasn't that scummy, but he's been lurking and posting useless one-liners all game... and now we also know that Corazon is town, which makes purple slightly more likely scum
- LSB has been throwing his vote around meaninglessly all game... hasn't truly pushed anything, just bandwagoned or thrown his vote here or there... and his Spag vote was actually about as scummy as that of Artanis
VA, kush, Grackaroni and sidesprang aren't looking good either. VA has been just targeting the easiest lynches, kush happily lynched his own townread, Grackaroni's vote was pretty scummy too and sidesprang has barely posted enough to avoid being policy lynched.
I think we should start from Artanis and continue from there. There are a lot of scummy players, but it should get easier when one is flipped.
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On December 14 2013 03:10 Corazon wrote:
Yeah I'm done playing this game. HF was scummy and all you idiots calling me out for shooting him don't understand what you are talking about.
I'm just gonna vote Xatalos until he dies and then Plutarch. Later.
I think it's you who doesn't understand what he's talking about.... Considering that HF and Plutarch have been the towniest players and I'm reasonably high as well.
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On December 14 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I could get behind Artanis lynch. He says i have some information i should not have, does not explain it at all, does not address my case on Plutarch at all, but instead accuses me because of it (i don't even know what the hell). Definitely a good lynch. Then we can lynch Plutarch who makes 2 different reads from same posts.
You don't think town can make different reads from the same (or actually slightly different) materials at different points in time? There's new indirect information, the level of analysis can be different etc. Something like that doesn't override that Plutarch has been scumhunting whenever he's been posting.
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On December 14 2013 03:13 LSB wrote:
First off, why are we still discussing Corazon at this point? Until someone countercalims vig he is confirmed town.
I won't be on later tonight, but I will be on right now. But can people stop blaming me for not going after bad lynches? There is a reason why I don't want to lynch Corazon, VA (and to some degree spag).
Your lynch of preference is sidesprang? Why is he the top #1 scummy player atm? You never even really pushed his lynch.
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On December 14 2013 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 03:18 Xatalos wrote:On December 14 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I could get behind Artanis lynch. He says i have some information i should not have, does not explain it at all, does not address my case on Plutarch at all, but instead accuses me because of it (i don't even know what the hell). Definitely a good lynch. Then we can lynch Plutarch who makes 2 different reads from same posts. You don't think town can make different reads from the same (or actually slightly different) materials at different points in time? There's new indirect information, the level of analysis can be different etc. Something like that doesn't override that Plutarch has been scumhunting whenever he's been posting. I asked Plutarch about those exact posts and he said it was not a big deal. But when LSB consolidates on one of the two top targets it suddenly somehow becomes suspicious? LSB makes 4 "bandwagony" votes, not suspicious -> LSB consolidates on current lynch targets suddenly all of his votes become suspicious. That's really bad. If LSB had not consolidated he would have been called out for not caring about the lynch.
One misstep in a player's logical thought process doesn't yet make scum. Maybe I could understand putting him at null, but #1 scumread? That's way too much for one detail in his large filter.
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On December 14 2013 03:22 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 03:21 Xatalos wrote:On December 14 2013 03:13 LSB wrote:
First off, why are we still discussing Corazon at this point? Until someone countercalims vig he is confirmed town.
I won't be on later tonight, but I will be on right now. But can people stop blaming me for not going after bad lynches? There is a reason why I don't want to lynch Corazon, VA (and to some degree spag). Your lynch of preference is sidesprang? Why is he the top #1 scummy player atm? You never even really pushed his lynch. I thought you read my filter
This is all all about sidesprang....
On December 10 2013 13:35 LSB wrote:General comments: purpletrator is being incredibly defensive and showing off as paranoid to me xatalos has been powerplaying quite hard day 1, and typically lynches of major town voices go badly day 1. Push PostPersonally I think the most important post so far is this Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.
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About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.
He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.
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@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.
I really really do not like this post as an entry post: A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora. B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet? C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything. Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you? I've already mentioned how I felt the initial read of Cora was incredibly forced. This can easily attributed to Holyflare's overeagerness. What is important to keep an eye out are the bandwagoners. Or the "bait and switch" approach. Make a flimsy case, wait for someone to quickly jump on your plan, and finger the bandwagoner as mafia. The logic behind this is that very few townies would be willing to push a bad lynch, but a mafia would be willing to push many lynches on greenies regarless of the contents of the lynches. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 11:13 sidesprang wrote:On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.
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About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.
He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.
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@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.
I really really do not like this post as an entry post: A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora. B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet? C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything. Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you? A) I might be blind but I dont see you mention everything I mentioned, but if I still find it scummy would I not be allowed to say it ? B) I don't see a reason for voting anyone yet, he is deffo looking scummy but It's still early in D1. C) The point about Xatalos was a plea to the Town that people should rather focus on more quality over quantity when posting. Can I not do that in a non-inquisitive manner? I said I just used him as an example. About Xatalos, I deffo dont like his opening. He goes after Cora and Kush which I think its fine, but also goes after Slam and Spag which had barely spoken and had not said anything scummy. So Artanis evaluation of him fits nicely, tho I wont say he is mafia because of it. He might just do it to start discussion, as he says he likes all the action happning here. I dont and will keep an eye on him. And his defence was kinda just meta, "saying that is how he plays", and I dont know the guy. Might be true might not be. I dont like meta defences and its another thing that will make me keep an eye on him. Indeed he continues his bandwagony attitude. Although there have only been two posts from him, bait and switch has a 100% success rate (n = 1), and I might as well go with it. I am seriously concerned about his willingness to support lynches without contributing much personal insights. ##unvote##Vote; sidesprang
On December 11 2013 12:04 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 12:02 bumatlarge wrote:
The sidesprang case is the bait and switch one right? He isn't too active, which is usually what you do if someone accuses you and they are right. He doesn't have alot to go on. LETS GET THIS WAGON GOING GAIS ##unvote##Vote: Sidesprang
On December 13 2013 06:21 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 06:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 13 2013 06:19 LSB wrote:
Can the vig claim? Can you read? Oh I see Well that solves the Corazon issue. ##Vote: Sidesprang
You only mention the "bait and switch" at the start of the game and nothing after that....
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On December 14 2013 03:35 LSB wrote:
Your point is?
You really just keep tunneling sidesprang for that one suspicious move at the very start of the game?
Don't you have anything to add about him? Or why don't you even TRY convincing anyone that he should be lynched?
Maybe you're just scum and you don't really care.
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Yeah, that has to be it. I can't comprehend LSB playing like this as town.
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On December 14 2013 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 03:38 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, that has to be it. I can't comprehend LSB playing like this as town. LSB just played a PYP game where he had literally no reads and all he talked about was mass claim until he got lynched. He was town, so what he has done in this game is 100x more than his 10 page filter in PYP. 
...... Why does he even bother playing if he doesn't care at all?
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On December 14 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 03:41 Xatalos wrote:On December 14 2013 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 14 2013 03:38 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, that has to be it. I can't comprehend LSB playing like this as town. LSB just played a PYP game where he had literally no reads and all he talked about was mass claim until he got lynched. He was town, so what he has done in this game is 100x more than his 10 page filter in PYP. ...... Why does he even bother playing if he doesn't care at all? I mean, he had reads, but he never explained any of them. He was even right on some flipped scummers but he never really explained anything he did.
That seems like an ideal meta for scum play though. If he plays so scummy as town, he can just play his town meta as scum and be good to go.
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On December 14 2013 03:39 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 03:38 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, that has to be it. I can't comprehend LSB playing like this as town. looks like a bus
So you really think I'm scum? Out of all the people?
Could you finally explain your shady Spag vote?
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On December 14 2013 03:48 LSB wrote:##PushpostWhy you should vote purpletratorPurpletrator really only has two important posts in his filter that means something. One is on me, the other is on Corazon. 1) Winner of the most rediculous reaction award. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Worst post in thread. ##Vote: purpletrator Kusplain? Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote. Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow. Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok? You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"? To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy. On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:Missed this post On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Ya, sure. Reveal please! It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch. ##Vote: LSB In response to some spam purpletraitor suddenly pulls out a full blow case and goes all defensive. Someone is quite edgy and quick to try to convince everyone that he is town. Paranoia is a good indicator of mafia alignment to me 2) Corazon Lynch This is probably the most arbitrary vote I have seen for quite a while. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 03:03 purpletrator wrote:On December 12 2013 03:00 Corazon wrote:
To whomever asked: yes I have notes until page 21. I've been too busy to take notes since then. I will probably pick up with the notes starting D2. Do you want to see them? There are only 3 or so major points in them. One on Spag, one on purple, and one on Vayne It was me, and it was because you'd mentioned it then said you'd make a case on Xata: On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote:
I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case. I find it incredibly odd that Xata isnt in your notes Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 03:16 purpletrator wrote:
Vote: Corazon
This notes debacle is alarming He votes Corazon because he didn't take notes on Xata? I want you to take a step back and think about how ridiculous this is. Not only was there no mention about not taking notes on Xata, in addition if you were taking notes of the first few pages it would be impossible to ignore Xata. This seems like a standardard bandwagon vote although not as explicitly bandwagony as Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:39 purpletrator wrote:On December 12 2013 03:50 purpletrator wrote:On December 12 2013 03:48 Plutarch wrote:
can you two drop it please. I could lynch Spag or cora. Cora saying he has notes he could post and then not posting them bothers me. This is where I'm at right now. Heavily swayed by On December 12 2013 03:39 Plutarch wrote:
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.
I was hoping some of those who had not commented yet on spag would step up in my absence, but that hasn't really happened.
I still think Spag is going to flip scum. And I am surprised that rayn unvoted to be honest.
When someone does nothing and does not even try to look for scum despite being active that person is likely to be scum. Even though spag says he always starts slow his previous two town games provide direct counter examples to this.
Then when up against it for the lynch he does not provide reads aside from calling kush town. I don't know about you guys but if I was getting lynched as town then I would be desperate to provide as much information to the thread as possible to work off after I flip.
Did this happen? no. He in fact provided zero info to the thread and then left as soon as thread sentiment changed.
Spag is Scum.
Please lynch spag. purpletrator demonstrates he is willing to lynch someone who is under heavy suspicion for little or no foresight. Compare this to his analysis here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388¤tpage=57#1132 Purpletrator is not incapable of making good analysis. ##VOTE: purpletrator BONUS: Something funny from the other smurf Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:19 Plutarch wrote:
I appreciate a refresher in the reasoning behind policy lynching lurkers corazon, but that doesn't really add anything valuable to the conversation that anyone here wouldn't know already does it?
For the record, I always prefer lynching scum to lynching coin-flips, thus I will be hard on people who get in my way when I try to do so. And then suddenly a few posts later Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 13:24 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote:On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:@Plutarch: Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting. Case in point: On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
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You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Worst post in thread. ##Vote: purpletrator Kusplain? Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote. Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow. Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok? By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum. What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum? Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him. I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes. If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point. I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all. I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out? Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive" Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post? ##vote: corazonI expect better from you. LOL. Oh well, values were nice but once I am pissed lets throw them away PS: If you go after sidesprang I'd be willing to bandwagon
Why have you been voting sidesprang all game if purple is your top scumread?
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On December 14 2013 03:51 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 03:50 Xatalos wrote:On December 14 2013 03:48 LSB wrote:##PushpostWhy you should vote purpletratorPurpletrator really only has two important posts in his filter that means something. One is on me, the other is on Corazon. 1) Winner of the most rediculous reaction award. On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Worst post in thread. ##Vote: purpletrator Kusplain? Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote. Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow. Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok? You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"? To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy. On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:Missed this post On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Ya, sure. Reveal please! It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch. ##Vote: LSB In response to some spam purpletraitor suddenly pulls out a full blow case and goes all defensive. Someone is quite edgy and quick to try to convince everyone that he is town. Paranoia is a good indicator of mafia alignment to me 2) Corazon Lynch This is probably the most arbitrary vote I have seen for quite a while. On December 12 2013 03:03 purpletrator wrote:On December 12 2013 03:00 Corazon wrote:
To whomever asked: yes I have notes until page 21. I've been too busy to take notes since then. I will probably pick up with the notes starting D2. Do you want to see them? There are only 3 or so major points in them. One on Spag, one on purple, and one on Vayne It was me, and it was because you'd mentioned it then said you'd make a case on Xata: On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote:
I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case. I find it incredibly odd that Xata isnt in your notes On December 12 2013 03:16 purpletrator wrote:
Vote: Corazon
This notes debacle is alarming He votes Corazon because he didn't take notes on Xata? I want you to take a step back and think about how ridiculous this is. Not only was there no mention about not taking notes on Xata, in addition if you were taking notes of the first few pages it would be impossible to ignore Xata. This seems like a standardard bandwagon vote although not as explicitly bandwagony as On December 12 2013 05:39 purpletrator wrote:On December 12 2013 03:50 purpletrator wrote:On December 12 2013 03:48 Plutarch wrote:
can you two drop it please. I could lynch Spag or cora. Cora saying he has notes he could post and then not posting them bothers me. This is where I'm at right now. Heavily swayed by On December 12 2013 03:39 Plutarch wrote:
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.
I was hoping some of those who had not commented yet on spag would step up in my absence, but that hasn't really happened.
I still think Spag is going to flip scum. And I am surprised that rayn unvoted to be honest.
When someone does nothing and does not even try to look for scum despite being active that person is likely to be scum. Even though spag says he always starts slow his previous two town games provide direct counter examples to this.
Then when up against it for the lynch he does not provide reads aside from calling kush town. I don't know about you guys but if I was getting lynched as town then I would be desperate to provide as much information to the thread as possible to work off after I flip.
Did this happen? no. He in fact provided zero info to the thread and then left as soon as thread sentiment changed.
Spag is Scum.
Please lynch spag. purpletrator demonstrates he is willing to lynch someone who is under heavy suspicion for little or no foresight. Compare this to his analysis here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388¤tpage=57#1132 Purpletrator is not incapable of making good analysis. ##VOTE: purpletrator BONUS: Something funny from the other smurf On December 10 2013 06:19 Plutarch wrote:
I appreciate a refresher in the reasoning behind policy lynching lurkers corazon, but that doesn't really add anything valuable to the conversation that anyone here wouldn't know already does it?
For the record, I always prefer lynching scum to lynching coin-flips, thus I will be hard on people who get in my way when I try to do so. And then suddenly a few posts later On December 10 2013 13:24 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote:On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:@Plutarch: Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting. Case in point: On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
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Kusplain?
Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote. Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow. Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok? By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum. What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum? Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him. I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes. If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point. I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all. I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out? Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive" Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post? ##vote: corazonI expect better from you. LOL. Oh well, values were nice but once I am pissed lets throw them away PS: If you go after sidesprang I'd be willing to bandwagon Why have you been voting sidesprang all game if purple is your top scumread? WTF is this bullshit about "Top scumreads"? There are people I think are scum, and there are people I think are town. And there are people I don't know. I vote for scum and I don't vote for town
That's a good pushpost by the way. purple has been overly defensive and hasn't brought any actually useful insight into the game.
I'm actually considering lynching purple instead of Artanis.
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On December 14 2013 03:57 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 14 2013 03:49 LSB wrote:On December 14 2013 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 14 2013 03:38 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, that has to be it. I can't comprehend LSB playing like this as town. LSB just played a PYP game where he had literally no reads and all he talked about was mass claim until he got lynched. He was town, so what he has done in this game is 100x more than his 10 page filter in PYP. If JB flips scum I want you to post "LSB just played a PYP game where he literally fingered da mafia and until he got lynched by da mafia" I'm sorry i misrepresented your play. That was not intentional. I didn't mean to say you were wrong, i meant to say you didn't really explain your reads at all and in my opinion your play in this game has been definitely more pro-town than it was in PYP game. Being right =/= good play if noone listens to you. Lolol I know. That's why I prefer PM games. Much easier to get people to listen to you there
Are you willing to join the Artanis wagon? Let's get this done with.
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On December 14 2013 04:07 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LSB there are other things that make me think Artanis is scum besides the argument with Xatalos. Link to pushpost(s) please?
You should be able to see it pretty clearly & fast.
- distracts me when I'm pressuring in the early game and calls me scum for it (lol)
- apathetic vote for Spag
- (a)pathetic case on me
- bad logic in his accusations
- overall weak and useless play
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On December 14 2013 04:12 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
Cora just copied half the shit i wrote in my vote analysis post, claims I'm scum. I'm going to die tonight plu is ma fwend.
Lynch cora, artanis, xatalos, bum, grack most of those are scummy Gee, I wonder who Holyflare ( Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!) decided to protect. Hmmmmmmmm lets all think really really hard about this now guys. I wonder. Who could it be?
Lol that wasn't even encrypted or anything.... Yet somehow I missed it.
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On December 14 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 04:12 purpletrator wrote:On December 13 2013 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
Cora just copied half the shit i wrote in my vote analysis post, claims I'm scum. I'm going to die tonight plu is ma fwend.
Lynch cora, artanis, xatalos, bum, grack most of those are scummy Gee, I wonder who Holyflare ( Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!) decided to protect. Hmmmmmmmm lets all think really really hard about this now guys. I wonder. Who could it be? And this makes Plutarch town how? You draw an assumption that mafia did shoot Plutarch? Why do you assume so?
Yeah, it could have been a double-stack on HF as well.
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If this is purple having extra information then he and VA aren't both scum at least. Since VA talked about HF being double-stacked.
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On December 14 2013 04:21 LSB wrote:
Gauis, I know you love information lynches.
Think, if we shoot purple and he flips red, we know that Plutarch is town due to ez scumslip.
Hahah. That's a nice thought.
Although if scum NK'd Plutarch last time, they're probably doing it again now that the Medic is dead.
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Gotta go for some time. GL HF in the meantime!
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