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On December 12 2013 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:43 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare i have read your post. I think what you are doing is over-analyzing: - Corazon clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - purple clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - LSB too I don't see nothing scummy in those three. - Xatalos consolidated on a target that all his scumreads voted for while defending him over the other target- Artanis threw a lazy ass vote and his reasoning he is giving now doesn't look like it's lining up with his actions (he is saying he had reasons to believe Spag was scum while he had clearly not read the thread (or is lying now) - had he said "i consolidated" it would have been okay, but he is trying to explain his actions to look like something they clearly were not) - Okay i agree, kush's vote is fucking fishy, that i missed. Clear enough HF?  Not really. I did mention that I disliked some of the wagon on Spag and that Spag wasn't my preferred lynch, but he also had an above average chance of flipping scum. While VA was pretty null all around. What. In case i have not misunderstood anything your other scumreads at least at that time were Corazon, Artanis and purple. All of them were voting for Spag, a guy you were not sure is scum. If that's not scummy to vote someone in that situation idk what is. Bussing is always possible, since Spag was gathering votes fast. And I'd rather not lynch someone who I don't find scummy and whose situation I hadn't had the time to fully comprehend (VA). Well why did you not try to get one of your scumreads lynched instead? Like Cora, who was voted by other people aswell. I told you to look elsewhere than Artanis for a moment and you agreed. You did nothing after that.
Unfortunately I had an exam after that Artanis debacle and the battery of my phone ran out. So I came home and it was basically Spag vs VA (like 30min to deadline). It would have been unrealistic to bring someone else to the competition (especially since all my townreads were already wanting to Spag). And probably harmful as well (distracting the discussion about Spag/VA). So I went for Spag despite not liking the wagon too much.
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On December 12 2013 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 21:43 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare i have read your post. I think what you are doing is over-analyzing: - Corazon clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - purple clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - LSB too I don't see nothing scummy in those three. - Xatalos consolidated on a target that all his scumreads voted for while defending him over the other target- Artanis threw a lazy ass vote and his reasoning he is giving now doesn't look like it's lining up with his actions (he is saying he had reasons to believe Spag was scum while he had clearly not read the thread (or is lying now) - had he said "i consolidated" it would have been okay, but he is trying to explain his actions to look like something they clearly were not) - Okay i agree, kush's vote is fucking fishy, that i missed. Clear enough HF? Not really. I did mention that I disliked some of the wagon on Spag and that Spag wasn't my preferred lynch, but he also had an above average chance of flipping scum. While VA was pretty null all around. What. In case i have not misunderstood anything your other scumreads at least at that time were Corazon, Artanis and purple. All of them were voting for Spag, a guy you were not sure is scum. If that's not scummy to vote someone in that situation idk what is. Bussing is always possible, since Spag was gathering votes fast. And I'd rather not lynch someone who I don't find scummy and whose situation I hadn't had the time to fully comprehend (VA). Well why did you not try to get one of your scumreads lynched instead? Like Cora, who was voted by other people aswell. I told you to look elsewhere than Artanis for a moment and you agreed. You did nothing after that. Unfortunately I had an exam after that Artanis debacle and the battery of my phone ran out. So I came home and it was basically Spag vs VA (like 30min to deadline). It would have been unrealistic to bring someone else to the competition (especially since all my townreads were already wanting to Spag). And probably harmful as well (distracting the discussion about Spag/VA). So I went for Spag despite not liking the wagon too much. Really? Because after this post: + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2013 00:02 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I suggest you both let each other do your own stuff and discuss other things as at least i think your rant is not going anywhere and other people are not feeling strongly in a way or another regarding your cases on each other.
purple, Grackster, Spaghetticus, Cora (when he comes back) -> far more better targets of discussion atm imo. Unfortunately they're all AFK / lurking. I'll need to look through their filters when I get back home though. How would you analyze their play so far? (besides the obvious lackluster LSB-vote with purple) ... i thought you would either: 1) Find a different approach into telling why you think Artanis is scum as noone bought your case 2) try to find a different lynch target Instead of doing so you sheeped my case on purple and did not try to do (1) or (2). I highly doubt that's a time issue as you have ~50 posts between that post and the lynch.
Actually I did convince you and Plutarch that Corazon would be a good lynch for D1, I think. Then I was AFK, came back, catched up, and chose Spag over VA close to the deadline.
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On December 12 2013 21:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 21:43 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare i have read your post. I think what you are doing is over-analyzing: - Corazon clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - purple clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - LSB too I don't see nothing scummy in those three. - Xatalos consolidated on a target that all his scumreads voted for while defending him over the other target- Artanis threw a lazy ass vote and his reasoning he is giving now doesn't look like it's lining up with his actions (he is saying he had reasons to believe Spag was scum while he had clearly not read the thread (or is lying now) - had he said "i consolidated" it would have been okay, but he is trying to explain his actions to look like something they clearly were not) - Okay i agree, kush's vote is fucking fishy, that i missed. Clear enough HF? Not really. I did mention that I disliked some of the wagon on Spag and that Spag wasn't my preferred lynch, but he also had an above average chance of flipping scum. While VA was pretty null all around. What. In case i have not misunderstood anything your other scumreads at least at that time were Corazon, Artanis and purple. All of them were voting for Spag, a guy you were not sure is scum. If that's not scummy to vote someone in that situation idk what is. Bussing is always possible, since Spag was gathering votes fast. And I'd rather not lynch someone who I don't find scummy and whose situation I hadn't had the time to fully comprehend (VA). Well why did you not try to get one of your scumreads lynched instead? Like Cora, who was voted by other people aswell. I told you to look elsewhere than Artanis for a moment and you agreed. You did nothing after that. Unfortunately I had an exam after that Artanis debacle and the battery of my phone ran out. So I came home and it was basically Spag vs VA (like 30min to deadline). It would have been unrealistic to bring someone else to the competition (especially since all my townreads were already wanting to Spag). And probably harmful as well (distracting the discussion about Spag/VA). So I went for Spag despite not liking the wagon too much. When was this artanis debacle exactly? If you had an exam and retuend with 30 mins to lynch then you can't possibly have had time to read up on a spag lynch (who was your town read) and change your mind on him enough to vote him over a NULL read VA.
Spag was no longer a town read when I went AFK. As you should be able to clearly see, I started doubting him when I looked at his lack of scumhunting and large amount of fluff. His posting went worse while I was AFK, too.
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On December 12 2013 22:10 kushm4sta wrote:
ya guys my vote is totally fishy right?
Could you maybe explain it?
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Gonna be AFK for some time. I'll be back before deadline though.
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On December 13 2013 01:54 Corazon wrote:
Why don't you actually read the bullshit that HF writes instead of just nodding your head and agreeing. Read it.
I haven't been able to follow the game as much and I am a little bit lost. Do you guys think I'm an asset to town with my usual play? If so, give me some breathing room to do my work so I can post in the thread without having 4 people breathing down my neck asking the same 4 questions.
If I said right now that HF was scum, you guys would say that I am OMGUSing. When you say that it's weird I call him confirmation-biased, you are putting me into a box.
If you think I am scum, vote me out. I won't be mad. If you don't think I am scum, lay off me and let me get back into this game. Sure I had a shitty start, but you guys won't even give me a chance to make up for it
........ Does Corazon even realize what he's saying?
1) He's been reading HF as a lying scum, but suddenly he's a confirmation biased townie
2) Oh wait, what actually matters isn't HF's alignment, but rather how others view Corazon's read on HF
3) Martyring
This is *almost* too dumb for scum... But no, it's just too unbelievable that he would be town.
On December 12 2013 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 12 2013 21:04 Holyflare wrote:On December 12 2013 21:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 12 2013 21:01 Holyflare wrote:On December 12 2013 20:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 12 2013 20:57 Xatalos wrote:
It's still more likely for scum to vote poorly than for town.
What kind of a defense is that? Actually if we look at LXIII scum voted a lot better than town. Being right or wrong has no bearing on your alignment. you're wrong, the entire scum team could be found by analysing the BC wagon What I mean is that being correct doesn't mean you're more or less likely to be scum. It's more complicated then that. On December 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis who exaclty in your opinion voted poorly? Anyone joining in on the bandwagon despite having a townread on Spaghetti before the bandwagon began. I haven't gone back to check out who yet. i've done that all for you -.- Wasn't your list incomplete? You said so yourself that you hadn't checked it yet for some. On December 12 2013 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you haven't done that yet how can you say "a lot of people" as you seem to not know if there were a lot of people or not? When so many people voted for Spaghetti despite only one person voting for him early on and that being Alakaslam, you can be pretty sure about it. Wow, this is so scummy. Can anyone else see why?
I'd like to hear this one.
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On December 13 2013 05:29 Corazon wrote:My scumreads from the D1 votes: ( TL;DR is at bottom) HF- I've said a lot about him but he tunnels me for D1 and then throws his vote away on Slam. If he really believed that I was scum, why wouldn't he throw his vote away on me and not on Slam? Xatalos- I've talked about him to death as well, but I found some very interesting stuff in his filter: Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 20:48 Xatalos wrote:By the way, I see Spaghetticus mentioned as a lynch candidate every once in a while. I don't really agree. Just look at these posts: On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush
Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator
I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it. On December 11 2013 02:42 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 02:28 Xatalos wrote:Spag, have you catched up with the thread? What about those slight scumreads that you mentioned? By the way, this post made me think you're more likely town: On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush
Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator
I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it. It just seems counter-intuitive to bring pressure on yourself like that for no real reason. They're just single digit contenders on my spreadsheet (on a scale from -100 being mafia, and 100 being town). I adjust scores accordingly after each incident I find interesting. It's more to keep track of my perspective over time, as I often forget the small stuff. It's really not worth talking about, and I don't want scum knowing my reads unless I'm acting on them. I appreciate the town read, though think it's something I'd do as scum too. No I haven't caught up with the thread. I'm still stuck on the same page. I think it's more important to attend to the here and now, and I'm losing focus again (tis 5am). On December 11 2013 16:31 Spaghetticus wrote:Slam if you make a decent case on me I'll reconsider lynching you  They all just read to me as town. It's not impossible for this attitude to be a ploy, but the far more likely scenario is that Spag is just not afraid of suspicions at all. Which means town. I also agree with this: On December 11 2013 01:03 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 00:55 Corazon wrote:
Plutarch is Marv because all Marv does is tunnel me whenever we are town together. You should just disregard everything he says about me tbh
HF is confirmation biased and refuses to push anyone else besides me. Play the game
Don't call Artanis scum for being right.
Be less bad please. How do you expect to convince anyone with this garbage? So we should take you word for it that not only are you trustworthy, you are able to discern smurfs at a glance, and you deem that this smurf is marv, and you also deem that Marv tunnels you, that he does so unfairly, and we should therefore disregard it? How can you not see that this is too much to swallow? HF is biased because he thinks you're scummy and doesn't change his vote with the wind? Artanis can't be scum because you agree with him on something? You're either making terrible arguments because you're terrible town, or you're just bullshitting to look like you're doing something. Can someone weigh in on how good Corazon is supposed to be? If he's at all capable at mafia I want him hung. The only worrying part is that there isn't much scumhunting in his filter. The previous post is probably the post closest to scumhunting, although it didn't come to any conclusion. On December 11 2013 16:28 Spaghetticus wrote:
I'm surprised Plutarch wants to lynch Slam, but I happen to agree so...
Slam is still not talking sense. It looks to me that he's scaled back the persona just enough to give him a fighting chance of wifoming his eminent demise.
I wanted to find someone better to lynch and I wanted Slam to step up, but neither of these things have happened and I am not unhappy with this direction for day one. I was posturing with my pressure vote, but this doesn't rule out me actually voting him. Alakaslam isn't a terrible lynch, but it's definitely the easiest way out of D1. And it's a bit worrying that Spag's only committal to a lynch is someone like him. Spag, if you're town, you need to step up your scumhunting. You mentioned that you had several slight scumreads, but you haven't shared any of them yet (except Corazon, I'd assume). Otherwise you're looking townish, but that's a worrying part about you. He spent all of this time "defending Spag" and at the same time tells him to play better. He is keeping is options open and is trying to defend Spag without looking like it. Then he goes from this: Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't like the Spag wagon. It has both Artanis and purple... And neither of them provided any reasoning for voting him. To this: Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:45 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 05:42 Alakaslam wrote:On December 12 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't like the Spag wagon. It has both Artanis and purple... And neither of them provided any reasoning for voting him. Bussing exists that's why I linked greyhound. That's true. Since it seems to be between Spag and VA, I agree that Spag is the better choice. ##Unvote
##Vote Spaghetticus In four minutes. He clearly did not believe that Spag was scum, but he voted for him? Why would you vote for someone that you think is town and that you just defended? Artanis also makes a good point when he says that Xatalos voted with 2 people he thought was scum. His words and actions aren't matching, which points to the fact that he doesn't care who is lynched, as long as it isn't him. Grackaroni-Grackaroni is someone who has gone under the radar a bit (besides Rayn OMGUSing him). He is in the same boat as Vayne where they haven't contributed to the discussion and they both haven't justified their votes. His first vote on Kush is trolly, his second vote on Rayn is useless because he only thinks Rayn's vote is dumb and doesn't explain why it makes Rayn scum. Then, he starts to tunnel Slam by voting for him until he switches to Vayne: Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 03:24 Grackaroni wrote:
Geez Vayne actually slipped lol. Un-lynchable scum record goodbye I will take pleasure in this.
##Unvote: Alakaslam
##Vote: VayneAuthority
I don't think it prevents Slam from being scum. The problem is that he never explains why he thinks Slam is scum. He just votes VA but keeps his options open. In my opinion, it is because he wants to hammer Vayne but wants an escape just in case the lynch goes south. All of this along with his lack of contribution make me really suspicious of him. purpletrator-Purple's play has been ridiculously scummy so far. First off, his scumhunting has been non-existent. He's just shitted up the thread with a whole bunch of nonsense. As said before, his overreaction to LSB's criticism was really suspicious and not very justifiable. Then, there is his justification for his vote: Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:39 purpletrator wrote:On December 12 2013 03:50 purpletrator wrote:On December 12 2013 03:48 Plutarch wrote:
can you two drop it please. I could lynch Spag or cora. Cora saying he has notes he could post and then not posting them bothers me. This is where I'm at right now. Heavily swayed by On December 12 2013 03:39 Plutarch wrote:
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.
I was hoping some of those who had not commented yet on spag would step up in my absence, but that hasn't really happened.
I still think Spag is going to flip scum. And I am surprised that rayn unvoted to be honest.
When someone does nothing and does not even try to look for scum despite being active that person is likely to be scum. Even though spag says he always starts slow his previous two town games provide direct counter examples to this.
Then when up against it for the lynch he does not provide reads aside from calling kush town. I don't know about you guys but if I was getting lynched as town then I would be desperate to provide as much information to the thread as possible to work off after I flip.
Did this happen? no. He in fact provided zero info to the thread and then left as soon as thread sentiment changed.
Spag is Scum.
Please lynch spag. He completely sheeps Plutarch here and basically says "it's Plutarch's fault my vote is on Spag". He is both acknowledging his lack of scumhunting the fact that he is sheeping. He is trying to divert responsibility for the Spag lynch away from him. From what I have concluded, although Xatalos is the person I would most want to lynch D2, I'm ok with lynching any of these four. TL;DRHF-Throws his vote away after tunneling me, why didn't he vote for me, his top scumread? Xatalos- Stuff I've said before + voted for someone he thought was town Grack- Lack of contribution, tunneling Slam with no explanation and then switching to Vayne but keeping his options open. Purple- Lack of contribution + sheeping Plutarch
That's just a lie. I clearly didn't have Spag in my townreads when I voted for him. I defended him earlier, but was persuaded that his "towntells" weren't hard to fake. And I agreed that he had a good chance of flipping scum hours before the lynch.
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On December 13 2013 05:45 Corazon wrote:
You were persuaded way too easily by Slam. You went from thinking the wagon was bad to joining the wagon just because Slam made a WIFOM statement on the possibility of bussing.
If you didn't think Spag was town, why didn't you push his lynch? Why did you make that big post defending him?
I've already explained all of this, but clearly you don't read before making cases.
That's to be expected though.
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On December 13 2013 05:55 Corazon wrote:
@Xatalos
Your explanation for saying that Spag was town and then proceeding to vote him was "I never thought Spag was town"
Then what was the point of that long post to defend Spag?
I had a slight town read on him during earlier D1. Then I realized that he had no scumhunting and tons of useless fluff. I never said I never saw him as townish.
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On December 13 2013 05:58 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:58 Xatalos wrote:On December 13 2013 05:55 Corazon wrote:
@Xatalos
Your explanation for saying that Spag was town and then proceeding to vote him was "I never thought Spag was town"
Then what was the point of that long post to defend Spag? I had a slight town read on him during earlier D1. Then I realized that he had no scumhunting and tons of useless fluff. I never said I never saw him as townish. Then why didn't you communicate this opinion? Why didn't you push for his lynch?
On December 11 2013 22:37 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 22:31 Plutarch wrote:
Xatalos are you around? what do you think of a spag lynch now? On my phone, but yes. I'm not sure because I got a townish vibe from those posts I mentioned earlier. His lack of scumhunting really does make him look more scummy, though. It'd be preferable to Alakaslam, and since it looks like Artanis is not happening today, or probably purple/Cora, it seems like a decent choice in this situation.
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............What are these kills.
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On December 13 2013 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Xatalos why didn't you comment on Rayn's post that you quoted earlier? Why did you not bring it up until I asked about it myself?
I saw Alakaslam's post mentioning it and got curious. It passed my radar at the time it was posted.
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On December 13 2013 06:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##Vote Xatalos
Choo choo!
I guess everyone can see that Artanis is scum. Corazon as well.
##Vote Artanis[Xp]
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................ Actually, that's true. Nobody else could possibly Vigi HF.
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I'll have to rethink some things since Corazon is Vigi.
Artanis is scummy on his own merits though. I guess he just buddied with Corazon and wasn't scum together with him.
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I do have to agree on the point that it's not right to insult mentally ill, but it's hardly grounds for a policy lynch.
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On December 13 2013 06:21 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 06:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 13 2013 06:19 LSB wrote:
Can the vig claim? Can you read? Oh I see Well that solves the Corazon issue. ##Vote: Sidesprang
Do you have anything else in your mind besides tunneling sidesprang?
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That NK part is a bit far-fetched, but it's true that VA has been going for "easy lynches".
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Good night, I'll have to rethink several players after these flips.
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