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Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute.
The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked.
I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends.
I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat.
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On December 12 2013 12:29 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 12:28 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:24 Corazon wrote:On December 12 2013 12:23 Coagulation wrote:
yeah corazon im either scum or town.
your mafia skills are sharp as ever. It doesn't matter. I'm vig and I'm shooting you. This is dumb as shit. At least it saves my sorry skin
That is not a positive
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On December 12 2013 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 12:33 Plutarch wrote:
Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute.
The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked.
I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends.
I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat. I do! Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:17 Plutarch wrote:
Also, Never ever ever make association cases before people have flipped. Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different?
Yes. Association cases before flips are just dumb. I consider analyzing interactions to be an important part of scum hunting, but if a case only works if both of the associations are scum and neither have flipped the case is worthless until one of them flips.
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On December 12 2013 12:52 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 12:41 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:33 Plutarch wrote:
Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute.
The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked.
I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends.
I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat. I do! On December 11 2013 23:17 Plutarch wrote:
Also, Never ever ever make association cases before people have flipped. Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different? Yes. Association cases before flips are just dumb. I consider analyzing interactions to be an important part of scum hunting, but if a case only works if both of the associations are scum and neither have flipped the case is worthless until one of them flips. Sweet, have you looked at jarjar?
A little. He seemed to bandwagon easily and without much justification at the end of the day.
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On December 12 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 12:58 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:52 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:41 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:33 Plutarch wrote:
Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute.
The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked.
I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends.
I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat. I do! On December 11 2013 23:17 Plutarch wrote:
Also, Never ever ever make association cases before people have flipped. Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different? Yes. Association cases before flips are just dumb. I consider analyzing interactions to be an important part of scum hunting, but if a case only works if both of the associations are scum and neither have flipped the case is worthless until one of them flips. Sweet, have you looked at jarjar? A little. He seemed to bandwagon easily and without much justification at the end of the day. Do you know of his meta btw? He likes to tunnel people as scum. I have confirmation bias so look at it objectively and see if you find him tunneling me then not giving a shit about the lynch once it's clear that me or spag is lynched. He doesn't try to argue that I should be lynched at all after a certain point, just let's it happen.
He also afk's as scum as you should well know by being scum with him in Les Mafia.
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On December 12 2013 13:11 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 13:08 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 12:58 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:52 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:41 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:33 Plutarch wrote:
Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute.
The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked.
I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends.
I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat. I do! On December 11 2013 23:17 Plutarch wrote:
Also, Never ever ever make association cases before people have flipped. Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different? Yes. Association cases before flips are just dumb. I consider analyzing interactions to be an important part of scum hunting, but if a case only works if both of the associations are scum and neither have flipped the case is worthless until one of them flips. Sweet, have you looked at jarjar? A little. He seemed to bandwagon easily and without much justification at the end of the day. Do you know of his meta btw? He likes to tunnel people as scum. I have confirmation bias so look at it objectively and see if you find him tunneling me then not giving a shit about the lynch once it's clear that me or spag is lynched. He doesn't try to argue that I should be lynched at all after a certain point, just let's it happen. He also afk's as scum as you should well know by being scum with him in Les Mafia. true he has been pretty active, probably town.
I don't know if he is town or scum at the moment. Need to filter dive him.
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On December 12 2013 13:20 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 13:14 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 13:11 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 13:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. blame rayn Really? That's your answer? Reposting this again + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2013 06:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. Just to add to this. I just reread your filter and I have no idea how you ended up w/ your vote on spag. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote:
that case was too fucked up for speghetti to be scum I think Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think scum are going to make more obvious cases and attack generalized scumtells, like wishy washiness. Or they would go after players like alakaslam or purple (easy targets). Speghetti's case is just odd and I can't see scum ever making it. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 01:48 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn i see what you are saying about spaghetti. i think he is just off this game. He already said he's not invested yet. My read is pretty thin so it's more of a hunch.
Anyone read corazon's last post? The ratio of size to content of that post is the highest in the game. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti. That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. Why did you defend him so much and then vote him? So basically, not only did you never have spag as a scumread, but you defended him a whole bunch throughout the day. There's no way to interpret that other than: You voted for someone that you believed to be town. Do you deny this? i lynched him for information Can you post your magically list of townies again? Did you color in the red ones?! mr 30+ games do you know how filters work? Fun fact: Filters did not exist when I first started!
Wow you must have been playing for a long time.
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On December 12 2013 13:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 13:05 bumatlarge wrote: I was on the Vayne train, but I couldn't convince myself after reading this. On December 12 2013 02:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 02:41 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not ridiculous at all if you consider how I play mafia. I KILL these kind of players at night because I find it more enjoyable to play with people that can actually scumhunt and try to trick them. Between that and my blue kill sniping I don't see how it is farfetch'd at all. So you would never push a mislynch on slam because he is so bad for town, but you would nk him??/ that makes no sense. ##unvote
##vote VayneAuthorityComplete contradiction On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like. I think contradictions are awesome to find, but comparing these two is reaching. Hard. Even if Vayne felt two different ways about the way he plays in two different posts, you need to build off that to actually get a read. I know JJD was against policy lynching slam, but I found this vote very telling that he is willing to do so if it gives him an easier explanation. I thought it would be worth pointing out  OMG Reaching?? Vanye says that he would never ever kill alaskaslam if he was scum and then says if he was scum he'd kill alaskaslam. I don't think I could come up with more contradictory statements if I tried.
Do you believe only scum contradict themselves?
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I just pm'd the hosts to see if this is possible.
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On December 12 2013 15:18 Coagulation wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/l9chR3K.png)
That is awesome.
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Huh. Don;t know if we should lynch you for that or not.
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Just got back from work. Catching up now.
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Things I like about spag wagon.
I actually didn't mind purples reasoning for jumping on board and I liked the pickup with cora and his 'notes'
Things I didn't like about spag wagon.
Stupid vote on leading townie wagon.
On December 12 2013 05:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Don't have much time now but I see support for a Spaghetti lynch and I'm happy to join in on that. Bandwagon powers activate!
##Unvote
##Vote Spaghetticus
This post is really scummy in my opinion.
On December 12 2013 05:40 LSB wrote:
Spaghetticus filter is just one giant mess of him trying to stir up activity, to me he is trying to show himself as being more active than he actually is.
Unfortunately between Spag and VA I am not confident about someone being scum, but Spag's filter suggests to me that he is more likely than not mafia
##Unvote
##Vote: Spaghetticus
This reads to me as if LSB is trying to avoid any responsibility for a mislynch whilst still joining the wagon. He says he is not confident about spag being scum and yet also says spag is more likely to be scum than town. Generally a scummy post to make when hopping on a town wagon at the end.
On December 12 2013 05:45 Corazon wrote:
Yeah I might as well hammer Spag. Maybe I can have some breathing room with him gone.
##unvote
##Vote: Spaghetticus
In the above post it really feels like cora is invested in the outcome of the lynch doesn't it? Wait. No. It seems he just wants less pressure on himself.
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On December 12 2013 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
by the way I just want to point out that the game started at page 9 and so cora has based all of his play on 8 pages of information
I think Holy was really on to something with his pressure of Cora. The 'notes' he posted were poor, easily faked, and contained nothing that he said they contained. He had ernough time between promising the notes and delivery that he could have just typed them up from scratch.
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On December 13 2013 00:05 Holyflare wrote:
It is not a logical town thought process to return to a thread after seeing everything that has been written, comment on none of it BUT the fact that you are being picked on again. If you are town you are playing god awfully with your alotted time. You have "notes" that are pretty much summaries of every post in those 8 pages you read, that is easy to fake, not to mention they are coloured. It's very easy to ctrl+c, ctrl+v notes after all so why the editing?
You based your entire gameplay on 8 pages, have not developed reads over that time and "consolidated" onto spag. I mention many people in my gameplay, not just you but you neglect to see that.
This is a very good post. Everyone should read this.
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On December 13 2013 00:40 Holyflare wrote:
For the rest of you this is pretty conclusive evidence now:
If corazon was town then bull shit/confirmation biased cases from people would be sign that they were making things up and would therefore be scum, that way they need to be pressured.
If corazon is scum then points made against him are correct, he calls them bull shit and tries to convince the people that they are confirmation biased and wrong because he knows they are town and not scum.
This mentality is easy to spot and it is why he is scum, easy day 2 lynch for scum kill. Let's discuss day 3 please.
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On December 13 2013 06:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 06:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet! does this mean he was vig shot? Yessir
Wow. Wtf? Our vig hit the clearly town medic? Whoever this vig is is bad and should feel bad.
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On December 13 2013 06:00 Corazon wrote:
God Holyflare you are really bad at this game.
No. You.
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