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Xatalos
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On December 12 2013 06:18 JarJarDrinks wrote: So then what makes you think all the vote swings @ the deadline mean something? It's always suspicious when someone never (or barely) mentions a player before and then eagerly jumps on the bandwagon. For example, Artanis and purple. | ||
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On December 12 2013 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think purple comes out suspicious of voting for Spag. He clearly wanted to lynch Cora and consolidated on a target he felt was more scummy. I liked his thought process on what he said about Cora, especially about the notes. Artanis on the other hand... The first notion of Spag in his filter is the second last post of his before the vote.. This: I am pretty sure Artanis is scum. He's far better than this as town. Hm, okay. I also liked purple's post about VA. I'm sure there are other players whose voting patterns are suspicious. You mentioned Grackaroni. Corazon basically hammered Spag to protect himself... Although Corazon did call Spag scummy early in the game. | ||
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On December 12 2013 05:12 bumatlarge wrote: I wish I could contribute more, but I'm caught up at work ##vote bumatlarge What the heck was this? This may be too dumb for scum, but bum clearly didn't care about the lynch. By the way, bum, you still haven't answered. Why did you continue tunneling Pandain despite the fact that 1) your original reason to tunnel him was because he was lurking 2) he started posting and it apparently didn't matter to you at all? Why didn't your read adjust after new evidence to consider? On December 10 2013 17:03 xigxag wrote: I just cannot reconcile these two thoughts with each other. They do not align in any way. One says that because of Noir Kush's play here could be scum, the second says that Noir was before ## and therefore cannot be applied to this game. The timeline thing would be fine if Vayne had not directed me towards Noir himself. Vayne's suggestion of looking at Kush's meta suggests to me that it is his goal to appear to be an active participant in this game while not in fact working towards a correct scum lynch. His attempt to dissuade my town read on kush suggests that if Vayne is scum kush is not. I find it impossible for both of the above posts to come from the same townie thinking in the same way. ##Vote: VayneAuthority I really don't like XigXag's disappearance, but his vote was somewhat reasonable at least (at the time). XigXag, do VA's newer contradictions make him more likely scum in your opinion? How have your other reads changed? On December 12 2013 03:24 Grackaroni wrote: Geez Vayne actually slipped lol. Un-lynchable scum record goodbye I will take pleasure in this. ##Unvote: Alakaslam ##Vote: VayneAuthority I don't think it prevents Slam from being scum. What's this again? This vote switch is really easy. Grackaroni, why do you think VA's contradiction makes him totally scum all of a sudden? It looks like Grackaroni found an easy place to park his vote and eagerly did just that... | ||
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On December 12 2013 16:52 Alakaslam wrote: Vayneauthority, Town. Based on being equal strength with my prior error. Plutarch, null. I feel is either a player similar to vayne or scum. WIFOM. JarJarDrinks, Strong town. He appears to have seen much as I did. Indeed I feel the more townie I see someone the more likely vayne is to attack them, part of why at first I figured he (VA) was scum, now I figure that is why he is so townie. He is disgruntled with my failed attempts to look like Chezinu and is lashing out at anyone who was willing to respond to me in a non hostile manner. In fact there is also the likely bitterness brought on by last game inducing him to act as he is, Which strengthens my townread on him. Scum has no reason to be bitter about poor town performance. Kushmasta, Null. Very quiet. Has been both townie and WIFOM scummy. Null with no leaning. Vayneauthority, scum. How can I have both a townread and a scum read on someone? The scum read is old. If I am right then, vayne is playing to the style I politely rejected, when coached as scum. I will not elaborate yet. Why is Plutarch scummy? Otherwise it seems like there's been some progress with Alakaslam. Maybe he'll actually play the game after all. | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:12 Holyflare wrote: Why did nobody follow up on this apart from JJD? Not only are cora's notes up to only 1/4ish of the thread but they aren't even real notes. He didn't post them immediately when asked to even though he was around and only posted them at the end of the day. He has read up to page 21 but his last post/summary was on Xatalos' vote on him which occurred on page 17. This looks like he didn't have time to fully write these notes off the top of his head up to page 21 where he claimed he had read. He also mentions that his notes have 3 main points: Spag, purple, VA. Yet, within his notes these points never feature as main points + Show Spoiler + Plutarch with a really useless post to call out Slam to begin, says he has to leave and does Spag with a really bad first post coming into the thread and then leaving Plutarch then twists my words and attacks me for no reason, HF jumps on bandwagon HF tries to justify jumping on the bandwagon, citing “new information” Xatalos jumps on the bandwagon as well, not reading my response “looks like the game is starting well” Artanis challenges HF on whether talking about post restriction is scum or town Plutarch equates pressuring lurkers to LAL Xatalos votes for me, seems like he sees the bandwagon forming and wants to be the first one on it, then calls out slam for being inactive (conflict of interest) Purpletraitor “I am VT” Spag asks HF/Grack if their gamestyle is going to be different as town (what kind of question is this?), says that he will vote for a trolling Grack LSB enters by voting Purple, screams of trolliness and randomness HF makes a really terrible case and votes for me. He jumps way too hard to conclusions, saying I OMGUS’d and was playing defensive. Was he paying any attention at all to Basics mafia? Xatalos calls out a third person (kush), saying he will lynch a trolling kush Artanis defends me, saying that scum would not be so open with their play VA makes a decent but wrong point. Give him town cred for trying but he is wrong (also says he will not vote for me. He wants the right lynch, not the easy one. Big town cred) Xatalos +1s HF Xatalos attacks me, saying my post was “passable non-contribution” (which he is wrong) Kush proclaims he is doing a lurk strat...help us plz Spag defends himself, basically very defensive like me but he doesn’t get called out for it Alakaslam points out that Xatalos says Slam is scummier, yet votes for me Artanis/Slam say Xatalos is throwing shit around, Artanis votes for him Xatalos: “I’m always really aggressive as town” there is difference between being aggressive and throwing shit around Xatalos says my first post hoped people would glance over it. Makes no sense as if that was my goal, I would not have posted it first and attracted attention to myself Rayn enters, votes for Purple, Artanis disagrees about “scummiest vote in thread” LSB fears townie on townie action Artanis asks LSB for reads, LSB replies it is too early but says Xatalos needs a filter check HF attacks me without reading my filter, says that I’m attacking the flavor of the thread but that is exactly what he is doing to me (???) Xatalos says that his aggression is townie and he likes the start to the game (ofc he is going to say that, it’s non-indicative) Purple gets all mad and votes LSB, saying LSB is out to get him even though LSB isn’t (??) HF trying to draw discussion away from Xatalos but it was kind of off him for a page or so Slam is posting in riddles...damn it Xatalos finally talks about someone besides me, asks Spag for reads Xatalos calls me out for playing defensive cause I’ve had to defend his shit, so scummy Slam T.T votes for Xatalos HF makes another shit case and forgets to see how I defend his first one More T.T Slam...maybe he only makes sense when he is scum. Draws Spag’s vote Xatalos thinks sleeping is a scum tell....lol VA votes for Slam...i don’t mind that Spag wants to throw away D1 to lynch Slam...T.T Xatalos attacks another player, votes for Kush Xatalos calls out purple Xatalos votes for me. This guy can’t keep his story straight Town Reads: VA Scum Reads (in order): Xatalos, HF, purple (weak) For a main point to have purple included why is his scum read on purple "(weak)" compared to me and Xatalos? Why is spag considered a major point but does not feature in any of his scum or town lists? These things don't make any sense at all. The notes come to the conclusion of nothing either. His entire notebase is a summary of what happened but he doesn't conclude why X player would do Y action other than that action is scummy or that he doesn't mind it. This is not the mindset of Cora from B2B who was actually scum hunting. He has played the victim card WAY too many times and was quite happy to throw a vote on spag right at the end of the day to "get rid of a player who was on him"...... lol I was willing to lean off cora for a bit after the start of the game because of his attitude to being pressured because it was similar to B2B etc but I do not think it is real anymore, his notes only go up to page 17 not 21 so the fact that he doesn't have any opinions from after that means that he cannot possibly know whether or not "people are still on him" like he constantly whines about. This is a game of finding scum and he knows that a little pressure here and there on someone is a way to get to that goal yet, to draw no conclusions from it other than summarise (and colourise) posts is a feigning of contribution. Also, I thought this was apt with his "notes" hahahahhaha cora is a funny guy. _______________________________________________________________________________ Then we have purple who unvotes cora BEFORE he posted the notes (just because he said he had them..?) onto spag He has been sheeping Plu's reasoning a lot. I do not see anything constructive about Spag in any of his posts. One of the only larger posts in his filter is DEFENDING cora saying that this is how town cora would most likely play but then with regards to waiting for the notes he finds him increasingly more and more scummy. Not only does he NOT wait for cora to post the notes before he unvotes he actively sheeps onto the spag train. Cora eventually posted his notes but nothing was said in regards to them AT ALL. The person he voted for, waiting for notes, posted a god awful summary up to page 17 that had nothing conclusive and that didn't follow his suggested town/scum list and posts he made previously but decides that spag is the better lynch because plu said some good reasoning? I don't like it at all. ____________________________________________________________________________________________ Xatalos has posted many reasons for spag being town: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2013 20:48 Xatalos wrote: By the way, I see Spaghetticus mentioned as a lynch candidate every once in a while. I don't really agree. Just look at these posts: They all just read to me as town. It's not impossible for this attitude to be a ploy, but the far more likely scenario is that Spag is just not afraid of suspicions at all. Which means town. I also agree with this: The only worrying part is that there isn't much scumhunting in his filter. The previous post is probably the post closest to scumhunting, although it didn't come to any conclusion. Alakaslam isn't a terrible lynch, but it's definitely the easiest way out of D1. And it's a bit worrying that Spag's only committal to a lynch is someone like him. Spag, if you're town, you need to step up your scumhunting. You mentioned that you had several slight scumreads, but you haven't shared any of them yet (except Corazon, I'd assume). Otherwise you're looking townish, but that's a worrying part about you. He actively protests against a spag lynch, see's both of his scummy reads (artanis and purple) are on spag but thinks he's a good vote anyway? I'm pretty sure he has never mentioned VA in any of his filter, has a town tell post on Spag, has scum reads on this wagon and still votes him? I don't buy it. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Has no activity other than sidesprang, which he meakly pushes when he's actually around. Really mediocre reasoning. Nothing other than this on spag. ________________________________________________________________________________________ don't shoot slam ____________________________________________________________________________________________ said spag was towny for most of the game, started leaning into him a bit more during the course of the day, lynched him for information but has provided no information after his lynch, really no reasoning for jumping on spag lynch, had him as town on town list post _______________________________________________________________________________ There are other people that voted him but they have legit reasoning. Plu, artanis.. kind of... but not really but i'm lazy so will do it later/you can do it for me. In conclusion, lots of people had no decent reasoning for a spag lynch. Xatalos had spag as a town read, Kush similarly did early too, LSB wasn't even wanting a spag lynch but didn't force another lynch into people. Cora is scummy in general and his reason for spag (who wasn't even in his list of scum) is "to get him off me". These are only votes on spag that I find suspicious, doesn't mean people who aren't on spag aren't either but for now I think the way the spag lynch went down that scum are most likely on it and these are the most viable candidates. You make some good points about Corazon. It's definitely possible that he faked those notes. On the topic of myself, you should read my filter more closely. I didn't like lynching Spag, but Plutarch/rayn persuaded me to consider Spag as a reasonably likely scum. In the end, it was between Spag and VA, and I felt Spag was the more likely scum (despite having scummy people on his wagon). I also did consider VA quite a bit, but didn't see what was so scummy about him. So I chose Spag. Artanis's vote wasn't scummy to you? And mine was....? I don't really know what to say. | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:28 Holyflare wrote: Nah I was too lazy to read artanis' vote. You didn't have to vote either of those 2 especially as 2 of your scum reads were on spag. So why did you feel the need to vote him when you could have parked your vote on someone you actively found scummy? I also found Spag reasonably scummy (no scumhunting, lots of fluff) at the end of the day. Why not vote for him? Doesn't make any sense to waste my vote. It wasn't even totally clear if VA or Spag was getting lynched at that point. | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like Artanis vote had zero reasoning behind it and he hadn't mentioned Spaghetticus EVER before that in his filter, besides the last post before the vote where he dropped some lazy ass "yeah spag is scummy" and left it there. Yeah, I really fail to see how HF could come to the conclusion that Artanis's vote was one of the towniest........... | ||
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What's there to read? You barely mentioned Spag and then eagerly locked your vote on him. Do you even have reasoning for your vote? | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Have you opened my filter or did you just presume what Rayn said was correct? I even quoted it again earlier. You did mention a slight suspicion of Spag... On December 11 2013 05:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think Grack is too dumb to be scum. No sane scum would try to go after Rayn right now. He's wrong about Xatalos but I like the point on Spaghetticus in that he seems to try to look like he's contributing without contributing. In LXIII I instantly had a rock solid town read on him because he was too paranoid about everyone and mistrusting everything. The post Grack quoted of him shows a completely different approach to the game than he had in LXIII. Instead of being full of uncertainty and paranoia, he assaults Corazon and calls him bad rather than scum. He's being more carefree this game and overall less suspicious. Dun like it. But that's it really. Then you talked about other stuff, disappeared, voted, and disappeared. | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I couldn't care about the lynch on D1 past the first 24 hours because I was out all day. I saw one of the people I found suspicious being voted a lot when I checked in briefly so I switched my vote. I could've also just peaced out all day and leave my vote on Xatalos and make it meaningless. Do you think that would be less suspicious? I think it's more suspicious to just throw some slight suspicion around and then bandwagoning when you see the chance. But anyways, HF is right. This doesn't really achieve much (for now). | ||
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What kind of a defense is that? | ||
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It should be some pretty useful info. | ||
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On December 12 2013 21:09 Holyflare wrote: question goes to Xatalos too Corazon. kush's vote wasn't good, but I can understand wanting to lynch someone other than Alakaslam for the information. purple's vote actually wasn't that bad, when I rethought the events. It seems reasonable to consolidate when your preferred lynch isn't happening. | ||
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On December 12 2013 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think anyone's vote is scummy besides Artanis & Xatalos and both of them are definitely not scum. How is my vote scummy? We discussed earlier that Spag would be a decent lynch. Unfortunately I came back close to the deadline and Spag seemed like the reasonable option. | ||
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On December 12 2013 21:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Are you honestly defending a "lynch for information"? Alakaslam wasn't even up for contention anymore if I'm reconstruing the situation properly. It was VA against Spaghetti. How did Spaghetti net us more 'information' than VA would? That's true actually. I'll have to read what kush said about VA. | ||
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Kush actually wanted to lynch VA. Why the heck did he end up lynching his townread Spag? This definitely doesn't look good. | ||
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On December 12 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: In fact you defend Spag multiple times, your scumreads vote for him, and you end up voting for him. It makes no sense to me. It was a close call. I'd have preferred to lynch Artanis/Corazon/purple (maybe not purple since he just started to contribute), but as someone said, bussing was a possibility. I also didn't see why VA was scum, but Spag was not scumhunting at all (even when being lynched). There was an okay chance for him to slip scum. My townreads were also voting for him. | ||
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On December 12 2013 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare i have read your post. I think what you are doing is over-analyzing: - Corazon clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - purple clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - LSB too I don't see nothing scummy in those three. - Xatalos consolidated on a target that all his scumreads voted for while defending him over the other target - Artanis threw a lazy ass vote and his reasoning he is giving now doesn't look like it's lining up with his actions (he is saying he had reasons to believe Spag was scum while he had clearly not read the thread (or is lying now) - had he said "i consolidated" it would have been okay, but he is trying to explain his actions to look like something they clearly were not) - Okay i agree, kush's vote is fucking fishy, that i missed. Clear enough HF?  Not really. I did mention that I disliked some of the wagon on Spag and that Spag wasn't my preferred lynch, but he also had an above average chance of flipping scum. While VA was pretty null all around. | ||
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On December 12 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: What. In case i have not misunderstood anything your other scumreads at least at that time were Corazon, Artanis and purple. All of them were voting for Spag, a guy you were not sure is scum. If that's not scummy to vote someone in that situation idk what is. Bussing is always possible, since Spag was gathering votes fast. And I'd rather not lynch someone who I don't find scummy and whose situation I hadn't had the time to fully comprehend (VA). | ||
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