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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 11 2013 18:12 GMT
#1201
yeah but purpl it's the easiest thing in the world for vayne to act like vayne. You can't townread someone from their egotistic personality.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
purpletrator
Profile Joined September 2013
Vanuatu64 Posts
December 11 2013 18:13 GMT
#1202
On December 12 2013 03:12 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah but purpl it's the easiest thing in the world for vayne to act like vayne. You can't townread someone from their egotistic personality.

you shouldnt scumread him for it either.
purpletrator
Profile Joined September 2013
Vanuatu64 Posts
December 11 2013 18:15 GMT
#1203
ebwop: my point is that his statement is hypothetical and not alignment indicative for vayne.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 11 2013 18:15 GMT
#1204
On December 12 2013 03:13 purpletrator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 03:12 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah but purpl it's the easiest thing in the world for vayne to act like vayne. You can't townread someone from their egotistic personality.

you shouldnt scumread him for it either.


i can scumread him for having zero reads, zero thoughts indicative of towniness, and an illogical argument regarding the towniness of pushing slam's lynch.
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purpletrator
Profile Joined September 2013
Vanuatu64 Posts
December 11 2013 18:16 GMT
#1205
Vote: Corazon
This notes debacle is alarming
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 11 2013 18:16 GMT
#1206
On December 12 2013 03:11 purpletrator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:52 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
where is the contradiction?

You know that I'm pushing him as a mislynch in the thread, killing him as a night kill is pure WIFOM. Completely unrelated.

You said you'd never kill him, then you said you'd NK him to make the game more fun for yourself. Direct and absolute contradiction (that I do not find scummy, but its there).

Why don't you find that scummy?
He originally used that as a reason why he is not mafia (because getting rid of Slam is not beneficial to him in any case) and later on said he does not want to play with "bad" players, which goes against his original justification of himself being town.

Because with Vayne, ego>good play

It has nothing to do with ego. It has to do wit hthe fact he is trying justify why he is town by reasoning X and later on saying he would never do X.

He straight out says "i would never do this as scum therefore i am town" and then he says "i would totally do this as scum". And you don't think it's scummy?
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purpletrator
Profile Joined September 2013
Vanuatu64 Posts
December 11 2013 18:17 GMT
#1207
No rayn, I do not think Vayne is scummy for puffing his chest.
purpletrator
Profile Joined September 2013
Vanuatu64 Posts
December 11 2013 18:18 GMT
#1208
##Vote: Corazon
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 11 2013 18:19 GMT
#1209
On December 12 2013 03:17 purpletrator wrote:
No rayn, I do not think Vayne is scummy for puffing his chest.

Do you actually even think about why people say things they do?
You don't really seem to be doing that much. That makes you suspicious aswell.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 11 2013 18:20 GMT
#1210
also purpl why didn't vayne even mention the plan to vig slam instead of lynching him? That is a superior plan.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
December 11 2013 18:24 GMT
#1211
Geez Vayne actually slipped lol. Un-lynchable scum record goodbye I will take pleasure in this.
##Unvote: Alakaslam
##Vote: VayneAuthority

I don't think it prevents Slam from being scum.
purpletrator
Profile Joined September 2013
Vanuatu64 Posts
December 11 2013 18:25 GMT
#1212
On December 12 2013 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 03:17 purpletrator wrote:
No rayn, I do not think Vayne is scummy for puffing his chest.

Do you actually even think about why people say things they do?
You don't really seem to be doing that much. That makes you suspicious aswell.

I think Vayne is prone to egotistical outbursts. Could he be scum? Yes. Could he be scum for the reason you and JJD are voting him? In my opinion, no.

On December 12 2013 03:20 kushm4sta wrote:
also purpl why didn't vayne even mention the plan to vig slam instead of lynching him? That is a superior plan.

[conspiracy]Because he IS the vig and doesnt want to draw attention[/conspiracy]
Vayne, why didnt you mention the plan to vig slam?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 11 2013 18:31 GMT
#1213
On December 12 2013 03:12 purpletrator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 03:11 kushm4sta wrote:
slam is geting viged so who cares what he has to say

he's actually getting lynched right now and its a really bad lynch.

Why exactly is Slam a bad lynch?
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purpletrator
Profile Joined September 2013
Vanuatu64 Posts
December 11 2013 18:33 GMT
#1214
On December 12 2013 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 03:12 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:11 kushm4sta wrote:
slam is geting viged so who cares what he has to say

he's actually getting lynched right now and its a really bad lynch.

Why exactly is Slam a bad lynch?

He is almost the same as an RNG lynch. He's so polarizing of a player that there is no analysis to be done on his wagon or the discussions surrounding him. It is a bad lynch. You get no information and statistically a mislynch.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 11 2013 18:34 GMT
#1215
On December 12 2013 03:33 purpletrator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:12 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:11 kushm4sta wrote:
slam is geting viged so who cares what he has to say

he's actually getting lynched right now and its a really bad lynch.

Why exactly is Slam a bad lynch?

He is almost the same as an RNG lynch. He's so polarizing of a player that there is no analysis to be done on his wagon or the discussions surrounding him. It is a bad lynch. You get no information and statistically a mislynch.

So what.. You just consider him as town?
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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 11 2013 18:36 GMT
#1216
Also, I think this is a slip:
On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you.

That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne.
What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment?


On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots.


I've already pretty much answered all of this

In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum.

If Slam is scum you:
1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so
2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit
3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red
4) you don't need to contribute anything useful

If Slam is town you:
1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways
2) you don't need to contribute anything useful

So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia?


because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like.



Then when rayn calls him out about it, he says:
On December 12 2013 02:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you.

That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne.
What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment?


On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots.


I've already pretty much answered all of this

In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum.

If Slam is scum you:
1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so
2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit
3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red
4) you don't need to contribute anything useful

If Slam is town you:
1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways
2) you don't need to contribute anything useful

So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia?


because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like.

Fair enough, just wanted to be sure what you meant.
Are you suggesting Spaghetticus is town?


Yea he was one of the first to want to lynch Slam so I have him as town until further notice.


A few moments earlier when kush asked him what he thought of spag and cora, he refused to answer. Why not say you have a townread on someone that is picking up votes? It only became something he was willing to discuss to cover up his slip.


and yes I realize that this likely makes spag town.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 18:39 GMT
#1217
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.

I was hoping some of those who had not commented yet on spag would step up in my absence, but that hasn't really happened.

I still think Spag is going to flip scum. And I am surprised that rayn unvoted to be honest.

When someone does nothing and does not even try to look for scum despite being active that person is likely to be scum. Even though spag says he always starts slow his previous two town games provide direct counter examples to this.

Then when up against it for the lynch he does not provide reads aside from calling kush town. I don't know about you guys but if I was getting lynched as town then I would be desperate to provide as much information to the thread as possible to work off after I flip.

Did this happen? no. He in fact provided zero info to the thread and then left as soon as thread sentiment changed.

Spag is Scum.

Please lynch spag.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
December 11 2013 18:40 GMT
#1218
it's not because spag is scum, it's because rayn is scum. lynch him after I'm proven town.
I come in for the scraps
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 18:41 GMT
#1219
If cora doesn't post his notes soon he is scum.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 11 2013 18:41 GMT
#1220
I was hoping Vayne would come back and explain his statement. My vote is not set in stone and i think Spag is scum.
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