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tbh i am getting sick of people who refuse to play the game they have joined in. If it takes me to lose 10 games where we policy lynch town lurkers / shitposters i don't care. Maybe they stop joining games then.
I woke up today and i read 10 pages of shit about policy lych / not policy lych and it made meangry because those posts could have been something uselful. It stops now.
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There is no reason to personally insult anyone over a perfectly reasonable opinion.
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Xatalos: Corazon is highly emotional player who contradicts himself as town, a lot. To me it seems like he's just pissed off for accusations against him because he finds them unreasonable. Stupid? Yes. Scummy? Not necessarily. He's far more reasonable and tries to control his emotions as scum. I don't see anything scummy in what he has said this game, mor likely it's just frustration. What you just quoted from Spaghetticus is attacking Cora for being emo. That's not scumhunting, that's an easy way to attack someone who says dumb stuff. The fact is Spag was here last night, he said he will catch up and share his thoughts. He ended up not catching up and and instead made 60 fluff posts about something irrelevant (defended himself against people who just wanted him to share his opinions). I find that highly suspicious.
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On December 11 2013 20:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
tbh i am getting sick of people who refuse to play the game they have joined in. If it takes me to lose 10 games where we policy lynch town lurkers / shitposters i don't care. Maybe they stop joining games then.
I woke up today and i read 10 pages of shit about policy lych / not policy lych and it made meangry because those posts could have been something uselful. It stops now. That's a noble attitude, but I prefer to focus only on the current game. And I don't want to lose now if it means (possibly) better games somewhere in the future.
And yes, i am focusing on the current game. Slam and purple at this point are no help to town, they help mafia with their actions. That's the truth regardless of their alignment. Therefore they should be lynched.
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LSB what are you doing? You don't seem to give a shit about who's lynched. You're flip-flopping around purple/sidesprang and to me it looks like you are just trying to find something that sticks. Explain this wishy-washyness:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 10 2013 13:35 LSB wrote:General comments: purpletrator is being incredibly defensive and showing off as paranoid to me xatalos has been powerplaying quite hard day 1, and typically lynches of major town voices go badly day 1. Push PostPersonally I think the most important post so far is this Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.
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About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.
He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.
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@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.
I really really do not like this post as an entry post: A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora. B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet? C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything. Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you? I've already mentioned how I felt the initial read of Cora was incredibly forced. This can easily attributed to Holyflare's overeagerness. What is important to keep an eye out are the bandwagoners. Or the "bait and switch" approach. Make a flimsy case, wait for someone to quickly jump on your plan, and finger the bandwagoner as mafia. The logic behind this is that very few townies would be willing to push a bad lynch, but a mafia would be willing to push many lynches on greenies regarless of the contents of the lynches. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 11:13 sidesprang wrote:On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.
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About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.
He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.
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@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.
I really really do not like this post as an entry post: A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora. B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet? C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything. Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you? A) I might be blind but I dont see you mention everything I mentioned, but if I still find it scummy would I not be allowed to say it ? B) I don't see a reason for voting anyone yet, he is deffo looking scummy but It's still early in D1. C) The point about Xatalos was a plea to the Town that people should rather focus on more quality over quantity when posting. Can I not do that in a non-inquisitive manner? I said I just used him as an example. About Xatalos, I deffo dont like his opening. He goes after Cora and Kush which I think its fine, but also goes after Slam and Spag which had barely spoken and had not said anything scummy. So Artanis evaluation of him fits nicely, tho I wont say he is mafia because of it. He might just do it to start discussion, as he says he likes all the action happning here. I dont and will keep an eye on him. And his defence was kinda just meta, "saying that is how he plays", and I dont know the guy. Might be true might not be. I dont like meta defences and its another thing that will make me keep an eye on him. Indeed he continues his bandwagony attitude. Although there have only been two posts from him, bait and switch has a 100% success rate (n = 1), and I might as well go with it. I am seriously concerned about his willingness to support lynches without contributing much personal insights. ##unvote##Vote; sidesprang On December 11 2013 00:32 LSB wrote:Out of all the games I've played why are we talking about the one I am currently in. PM the host for obs if you really want to know my alignment in PYP that bad. I've already stated how I think the Corazon lynch is just a huge bandwagon, so I won't vote for him. I'm glad to see someone feels that Purpletrator is being overly defensive Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 17:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: Why we should lynch purpletrator:He votes for LSB based on this: On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Worst post in thread. ##Vote: purpletrator Kusplain? Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote. Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow. Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok? You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"? To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy. On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:Missed this post On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Ya, sure. Reveal please! It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch. ##Vote: LSB First of all the first contribution is never going to achieve anything. What's LSB supposed to answer as town or as scum and how does purple gain something from it? There is no way it's going to do anything. Then he calls the question hypothetical, but still it somehow gives him a reason to vote for LSB. Why? And how does this tell him LSB "does not give shit about the lynch"? This whole interaction makes no sense from the beginning because there is no possible way purple is going to gain any sort of information on LSB by this. Then this happens: On December 10 2013 08:55 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 08:53 Xatalos wrote:
By the way, purple, your filter is pretty lackluster so far. What have you been doing for all this time? Actively lurking? i went to look at LSB's old games, only actually looked at PYP which is still ongoing and decided I'd seen enough to unvote him. This is why he unvotes LSB. Does this look like a reason to unvote? Because "LSB does not read properly in either of the games". This makes him town how? Regardless of LSB's alignment in PYP game this certainly does not make him town because not reading properly is not alignment indicative and doing something in both of these games does not make LSB town here. On top of that, nobody is even allowed to agree/diagree with that "meta-read" because the PYP game is going on. The whole evolution of his LSB-read and interactions with him are completely nonsensical, can't possibly achieve anything and do not even have any sort of logic behind them. Rather than being nonsensical I saw it as being paranoid and believing there was a serious case on him and a need to defend himself. He handled that far too poorly, I chalked it up as bad play at the time, but this paranoia does bother me. ##unvote##Vote Purpletrator On December 11 2013 11:33 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:48 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 10:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 11 2013 10:32 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 10:24 LSB wrote:On December 11 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors. Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics. depends on how you look at it. He reverted out of it once he picked up 2 quick votes and people were talking about maybe voting for him. When everything breezed over he went back to trolling. It can be twisted anyway you want it to be. From the story I just told, that's survival tactics. Well I'd agree but the last 2 pages of his filter are coherent and thoughts, it is only that last post that was quoted that was an out of the blue revert but as LSB said that was to illicit a reaction out of someone (stop ruining plans lsb)! So, in actuality he is contributing - or more to the fact that he isn't being detrimental like he was at the start. I thought it was fine, come lynch sidesprang http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388¤tpage=20#389 On December 11 2013 11:34 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:16 Holyflare wrote:
Also, what happened to your sidesprang lynch? I take it that has disappeared if you are mentioning lynching slam over him? Dunno, no one was talking about it so I decided to pressure slam. I'd rather lynch sidesprang if we get the traction On December 11 2013 12:04 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 12:02 bumatlarge wrote:
The sidesprang case is the bait and switch one right? He isn't too active, which is usually what you do if someone accuses you and they are right. He doesn't have alot to go on. LETS GET THIS WAGON GOING GAIS ##unvote##Vote: Sidesprang
You make a case on sidesprang. You don't try to convince anyone to lynch him and switch your vote based on my case. After this you seem to be wanting to push sidesprang lynch instead. But in the next post not really.. Your vote is not even on him. Then you put your vote back on him. I assume it's because the "bait and switch" strategy? Meaning "mafia did not hop on "easy" lynch therefore sidesprang is mafia" correct? I don't find this reason acceptable to lynch someone, especially as you have explained the "strategy" in your original post where you vote for sidesprang..
So, srsly, wtf? Explain your behavior.
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I also like kush and Xata, I in general agree with a lot of what they are saying and they are playing very pro town imo.
Interesting. If you like what Xatalos has said why do you seem to not have a read on Artanis because that's what Xatalos has mostly talked about?
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2013 22:02 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 20:48 Xatalos wrote:By the way, I see Spaghetticus mentioned as a lynch candidate every once in a while. I don't really agree. Just look at these posts: On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush
Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator
I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it. On December 11 2013 02:42 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 02:28 Xatalos wrote:Spag, have you catched up with the thread? What about those slight scumreads that you mentioned? By the way, this post made me think you're more likely town: On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush
Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator
I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it. It just seems counter-intuitive to bring pressure on yourself like that for no real reason. They're just single digit contenders on my spreadsheet (on a scale from -100 being mafia, and 100 being town). I adjust scores accordingly after each incident I find interesting. It's more to keep track of my perspective over time, as I often forget the small stuff. It's really not worth talking about, and I don't want scum knowing my reads unless I'm acting on them. I appreciate the town read, though think it's something I'd do as scum too. No I haven't caught up with the thread. I'm still stuck on the same page. I think it's more important to attend to the here and now, and I'm losing focus again (tis 5am). On December 11 2013 16:31 Spaghetticus wrote:Slam if you make a decent case on me I'll reconsider lynching you  They all just read to me as town. It's not impossible for this attitude to be a ploy, but the far more likely scenario is that Spag is just not afraid of suspicions at all. Which means town. I also agree with this: On December 11 2013 01:03 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 00:55 Corazon wrote:
Plutarch is Marv because all Marv does is tunnel me whenever we are town together. You should just disregard everything he says about me tbh
HF is confirmation biased and refuses to push anyone else besides me. Play the game
Don't call Artanis scum for being right.
Be less bad please. How do you expect to convince anyone with this garbage? So we should take you word for it that not only are you trustworthy, you are able to discern smurfs at a glance, and you deem that this smurf is marv, and you also deem that Marv tunnels you, that he does so unfairly, and we should therefore disregard it? How can you not see that this is too much to swallow? HF is biased because he thinks you're scummy and doesn't change his vote with the wind? Artanis can't be scum because you agree with him on something? You're either making terrible arguments because you're terrible town, or you're just bullshitting to look like you're doing something. Can someone weigh in on how good Corazon is supposed to be? If he's at all capable at mafia I want him hung. The only worrying part is that there isn't much scumhunting in his filter. The previous post is probably the post closest to scumhunting, although it didn't come to any conclusion. On December 11 2013 16:28 Spaghetticus wrote:
I'm surprised Plutarch wants to lynch Slam, but I happen to agree so...
Slam is still not talking sense. It looks to me that he's scaled back the persona just enough to give him a fighting chance of wifoming his eminent demise.
I wanted to find someone better to lynch and I wanted Slam to step up, but neither of these things have happened and I am not unhappy with this direction for day one. I was posturing with my pressure vote, but this doesn't rule out me actually voting him. Alakaslam isn't a terrible lynch, but it's definitely the easiest way out of D1. And it's a bit worrying that Spag's only committal to a lynch is someone like him. Spag, if you're town, you need to step up your scumhunting. You mentioned that you had several slight scumreads, but you haven't shared any of them yet (except Corazon, I'd assume). Otherwise you're looking townish, but that's a worrying part about you. To be honest, this kind of thing is pretty easy to fake as scum and doesn't really make me lean town on spag. I'm actually leaning scum on spag at the moment because he is active but not contributing anything to scum hunting. He is barely providing reads at all and doesn't seem to be that invested in the lynch. (parked his vote on slam early day one and left it there.) So yeah spag scummy to me. If you post but do zero scum hunting then you are scummy in my eyes. On December 11 2013 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos: Corazon is highly emotional player who contradicts himself as town, a lot. To me it seems like he's just pissed off for accusations against him because he finds them unreasonable. Stupid? Yes. Scummy? Not necessarily. He's far more reasonable and tries to control his emotions as scum. I don't see anything scummy in what he has said this game, mor likely it's just frustration. What you just quoted from Spaghetticus is attacking Cora for being emo. That's not scumhunting, that's an easy way to attack someone who says dumb stuff. The fact is Spag was here last night, he said he will catch up and share his thoughts. He ended up not catching up and and instead made 60 fluff posts about something irrelevant (defended himself against people who just wanted him to share his opinions). I find that highly suspicious.
It has to be you. You always do read the thread this way and post whatever thoughts i post regarding same posts. 
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Plutarch what do you think of this?
On December 11 2013 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +I also like kush and Xata, I in general agree with a lot of what they are saying and they are playing very pro town imo. Interesting. If you like what Xatalos has said why do you seem to not have a read on Artanis because that's what Xatalos has mostly talked about?
sidesprang finds Xatalos' thoughts really good and has a town read on him. Xatalos mainly talks about Artanis yet sidesprang does not mention Artanis at all in his post. Shouldn't he have a scumread on him?
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Actually yeah, Cora could do that. I just looked over his filter in Titanic 1 D1.
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sidesprang could you elaborate more on this in detail:
I also like kush and Xata, I in general agree with a lot of what they are saying and they are playing very pro town imo.
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Yeah me too. What do you make of LSB's logic behind his votes? The post i made about his voting behavior. Do you think it makes sense because to me it really does not.
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So your case is kush knows who Plutarch is but is acting like he doesn't. fucking brilliant..
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On December 11 2013 23:27 Spaghetticus wrote:
Also Rayne, why so vicious? I actually want to know. Do not dodge this question pls.
Because you have now made about 70 posts and all you come up with is "kush is scum with Plutarch" with some terribad reasoning..
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Yes i am steering the town into lynching you because you have made 70 posts that say absolutely nothing. All you have to say is someone is mafia because of some assumed connection because they tried to guess someone's identity. Every other post you have made is an OMGUS to call out people who are telling you to go scumhunt or telling you why your logic does not make sense. You are not really trying to find mafia and your attitude towards people in this game gives out you are working under fear, pressure, insecureness and inherent guilt.
##Vote: Spaghetticus
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On December 11 2013 23:36 Plutarch wrote:
Anyway. I'm not sure if that case makes Spag more or less likely to be town. Generally people making conspiracy theory cases such as that are more likely to be town due to the greater likelihood of townies being paranoid etc.
But the case is also awful and doesn't ring true to me, after so much time and after apparently being on his second read through of the thread I would expect something more than that.
What do you think rayn? Is spag more or less likely to be scum after reading that case?
Just look at the post he made in LXIII half past D1 where he shared his thoughts.
Seriously, his behavior in this game and there is like comparing a day and a night..
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So who do you actually think is mafia?
You just gave three "scumreads" then backpedalled from all of them in like 5min.
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I hope you are not going to play the "i made a shitlogic case on purpose and everyone who called me scum for it are scum" card. I guarantee you will get lynched if you do so because that's another shitlogic case..
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I am very confident Spaghetticus will flip mafia nad you should be all voting for him. All he is doing is make bad logic analysis and run in circles around them.
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On December 12 2013 01:09 Spaghetticus wrote:
Rayn I want you to actually point out the bad logic rather than just casually calling everything I say bad. Why is it bad? I'm pretty good at logic, I have a feeling you're just not good at it (99.5 on my last formal logic test), or are deliberately banging the wardrum for a mislynch.
I'm sick of your mindless aggression. At least I go through each of my motions.
No it's pretty simple. All people wanted from you was to tell who you think is mafia.
You have not done so. Instead you have made everything else that contributes nothing to the game.
That's it, that's why you are mafia.
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