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On December 11 2013 02:23 Spaghetticus wrote: Isn't the post you quote specifically answering your question? Not really. He only said that he'd stop posting about me, yet his vote remains and I'm apparently still his top scumread (for some reason). | ||
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On December 11 2013 02:29 kushm4sta wrote: i greened your mom. But seriously this is the worst post in the game! Some real oatsmaster level shit going on here. Why is speghetti mafia? Why are you already voting for a lurker? At least I can agree with kush sometimes. | ||
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On December 11 2013 02:33 Spaghetticus wrote: He(?) said he'd back off because he no longer thinks you a viable lynch, even though his convictions remain unchanged. Seems reasonable. Actually he said: "I'm gonna step back from posting on Xata since no one seems to be reading it anyway and everything's already been said." Which means that he's going to focus elsewhere - but he didn't say that I wouldn't be his favored lynch. | ||
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On December 11 2013 05:37 sidesprang wrote: Exactly I currently view everyone as town, people have done scummy things. But no one are scum In my eyes yet, if so I would have voted for em. So why I would phrase that in any other way I really do not know, and tbh you just seem desperate to find something that is not there. If someone is doing scummy things, then shouldn't he be scummy in your eyes? You haven't really done much besides softly accusing Corazon. Which are the scummy things you speak of? More specifically, who do you think have been doing scummy things? | ||
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On December 11 2013 05:36 Corazon wrote: Why does the vendetta b/w Grack and Spag have to spill into the thread discussion? BTW Spag, why is it ok to call my answers scummy (I assume because of the defensive nature of the posts) but you don't read the questions? I'm tired of getting assaulted with illogical and non alignment-indicative questions and I'm tired of getting my words twisted to make me look scummy. Stop it. By the way, I did answer to your case. I'd also want clarification on how I have been "refusing to reveal my thought process"? You're being quite hypocritical (looking at your own accusations) if those were just baseless accusations... | ||
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On December 11 2013 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: After checking his filter I can see where you're coming from. I can see a scum grack, but I also know that grack likes to troll. Picking a fight with you early on seems like a terrible idea as scum, but he skated by due to terrible ideas in LXIII too whilst being scum. I wouldn't oppose a Grack lynch at this point but I'm not convinced on it. Seriously. This is the most wishy-washy post I've seen yet... Leaving open the option to lynch, but also the option of abstaining from lynching him. It's as soft of a stance as you can possibly have. Just look at it. It keeps feeling like a good idea to lynch Artanis after all. | ||
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On December 11 2013 07:31 Holyflare wrote: Ok nobody asked me to further my read on bum when I just posted so I'm going to do it for you. Hey, HF, what did this mean? Oh, thanks for pointing that out! Well here's what I'm saying. Bumatlarge is a problem in our current environment. While the game is continuously developing with speech on people, reads on others and general scum hunting his attitude is not to participate in any of this for the majority of his first and second appearences in the thread. In fact, he urges AGAINST lynching people that aren't modkill territory. Now, as a town mindset, I don't mind this if he kept it to himself and slightly pushed for a pandain lynch over time by gently easing us into it with constructive points on why so and so is better to keep in the game than a player who looks like he just got caught up IRL. However, he effectively disregards that pandain plays actively as all alignments by saying he doesn't care what pandain is capable of: What benefit do these interactions bring anyone other than to antagonise or hide his alignment? People are curious as to why he wants to lynch off pandain - who is quite clearly not here - and his first response is to question why people are annoyed rather than actively discuss. He is also quite happy to give out scum read BEFORE he has read anything to do with the players: and then we all know he completely backtracked by saying "oh i read you now you aren't scum"... A person he had a TOP scum read on suddenly becomes not scum - spag over everyone else so far - just because he decided it was apt to read up on the person he called scum after he called him scum. Giving out reads on people based off idea's in your head is not a town mentality, or if it is, it is indicative of a LAZY town, something that bumatlarge surely wouldn't be as he was trying to instruct people how to play town at the start of the game. I could do a play by play of his following posts but he actively neglects a player in this game (kush) by saying he won't respond to questions raised by him. That being said, this is the thing that stands out to me THE MOST.... Purple has not participated in this game really AT ALL, i'd lump him in with pandain in terms of activity except purple looks way more scummy. Bum dictates that he is not using meta at all in this game and actively persuades people to not do the same but then justifies purples reads on LSB when purple indeed used meta: He liked purples reason for getting off LSB!?!??!?!?!?! (META META META META META) Not only was purples reasoning for getting off of LSB atrocious but he is then telling us that he accepts it as a logical reason based on meta (that he doesn't want us to use) for getting off LSB? Why is it that he can pick and choose when to accept meta for people like LSB and purple but not for people like pandain etc? There is no good reason other than to say he doesn't like a purple lynch. He knows purple is a smurf, purple has been bad this game. Let's leave him alone. That is NOT a logical conclusion to draw from the entirety of his filter. I don't like it at all. but then.... he agrees with rayn.................? I want to hear his responses but my unvote/vote is heavily leaning towards him right now. bumatlarge's opinions do seem flip-floppy. I'd like to hear his thought process regarding the posts you mentioned. | ||
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On December 11 2013 07:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well yeah, what I mean is you skated by with trolling because you happened to bus half your team as well. HF, I see a case that makes Bum hypocritical and bad, but not scum. I'd also appreciate it if scum stopped trying to get me lynched. It's not happening today Xata. I'm not scum for doubting my read. It's not the fact that you were doubting your read. It's the fact that you went to such great lengths to leave your options open in any direction. But I guess you're right. It's not really fruitful to pursue you now. It's hard to say anyone's alignment with high certainty during D1, and if you were town, it would be a bigger loss than several other players. | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:19 Holyflare wrote: I don't think you understand. Contradictions in a normal play such as changing a read is fine, that can be seen as towny. However, almost half of his posts actively STATE that he dislikes to use meta but then he defends a player - who has a lot of votes - based on them using meta, whereas previously he dismissed everyone that has used it. That is an unacceptable contradiction. Do you think that purple and bum are scum together? That seems to be the way this line of logic is going in. | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:27 Holyflare wrote: No I'm not drawing conclusions like that because I do not know their alignments. Fair enough. I'm just trying to think of another reason for this inconsistency, and it's hard to think of a satisfying reason. I guess we'll get a better picture of the situation when he comes back. | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:34 Alakaslam wrote: Spaghetticus... Your handle, coupled with your posts this time about, remind me of the stuff I would gladly remove from my freezer, before I discovered I was a celiac... I never liked my food frozen, however. See, I was loth to use a microwave for this reason. Time... To burn. Fires of the Titanic, unite! ##Vote: Spaghetticus Any reasoning? It's posts like this that make you detrimental. | ||
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On December 11 2013 16:01 Grackaroni wrote: I'm not really buying Bum's story. If he wants to disregard day1 reads because they are weak and just lynch the most useless player that is his opinion. But if he's against lynching alakaslam, who openly states he will not be useful, just because he addresses his posts to Rayn then we have a problem. It really can't be argued that slam will be more useful than Pandain. I like this post. Bum's main reason for voting Pandain was because he hadn't posted yet. Now Pandain has posted quite a bit, but bum just keeps going for him regardless of that. It doesn't really look like bum tries to figure out Pandain's alignment, he just chose a target and keeps going for it. That's not a town mindset. I want to hear from bum why Pandain is still a "good lynch" ASAP. | ||
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On December 11 2013 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i agree with that Xatalos. ##unvote The risk is that the Vigi(s) will just shoot someone else and Alakaslam will live to LYLO. That wouldn't be a good situation, since it's clearly difficult to say anything about his alignment. And he's being harmful to the discussion... But even so, I think he's such a likely Vigi shot that it's better to lynch someone else. purpletrator hasn't still posted, and the pressure on him has died almost completely. Hopefully he comes back soon. It'd be sad if he was scum and slipped away by just lurking. Hopefully bum has some explanations soon as well. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam starts contributing in English or we lynch him. purple starts contributing or we lynch him. In case both of those do not happen one gets lynched other one vigged. In case both of those happen we lynch the scummiest dude. I'd prefer lynching someone like Artanis or Corazon over Alakaslam. Anti-town/lurker lynches tend to be just giant bandwagons where nobody learns anything. Even if the coin-flip is a success and he flips scum, it doesn't tell almost anything about the voters/non-voters. It's easy to vote for a player like that no matter what alignment the player or his voter is... | ||
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On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote: @Kush Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green: - Spaghetticus - Xatalos - Corazon - Purpletrator I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it. On December 11 2013 02:42 Spaghetticus wrote: They're just single digit contenders on my spreadsheet (on a scale from -100 being mafia, and 100 being town). I adjust scores accordingly after each incident I find interesting. It's more to keep track of my perspective over time, as I often forget the small stuff. It's really not worth talking about, and I don't want scum knowing my reads unless I'm acting on them. I appreciate the town read, though think it's something I'd do as scum too. No I haven't caught up with the thread. I'm still stuck on the same page. I think it's more important to attend to the here and now, and I'm losing focus again (tis 5am). On December 11 2013 16:31 Spaghetticus wrote: Slam if you make a decent case on me I'll reconsider lynching you  They all just read to me as town. It's not impossible for this attitude to be a ploy, but the far more likely scenario is that Spag is just not afraid of suspicions at all. Which means town. I also agree with this: On December 11 2013 01:03 Spaghetticus wrote: Be less bad please. How do you expect to convince anyone with this garbage? So we should take you word for it that not only are you trustworthy, you are able to discern smurfs at a glance, and you deem that this smurf is marv, and you also deem that Marv tunnels you, that he does so unfairly, and we should therefore disregard it? How can you not see that this is too much to swallow? HF is biased because he thinks you're scummy and doesn't change his vote with the wind? Artanis can't be scum because you agree with him on something? You're either making terrible arguments because you're terrible town, or you're just bullshitting to look like you're doing something. Can someone weigh in on how good Corazon is supposed to be? If he's at all capable at mafia I want him hung. The only worrying part is that there isn't much scumhunting in his filter. The previous post is probably the post closest to scumhunting, although it didn't come to any conclusion. On December 11 2013 16:28 Spaghetticus wrote: I'm surprised Plutarch wants to lynch Slam, but I happen to agree so... Slam is still not talking sense. It looks to me that he's scaled back the persona just enough to give him a fighting chance of wifoming his eminent demise. I wanted to find someone better to lynch and I wanted Slam to step up, but neither of these things have happened and I am not unhappy with this direction for day one. I was posturing with my pressure vote, but this doesn't rule out me actually voting him. Alakaslam isn't a terrible lynch, but it's definitely the easiest way out of D1. And it's a bit worrying that Spag's only committal to a lynch is someone like him. Spag, if you're town, you need to step up your scumhunting. You mentioned that you had several slight scumreads, but you haven't shared any of them yet (except Corazon, I'd assume). Otherwise you're looking townish, but that's a worrying part about you. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: tbh i am getting sick of people who refuse to play the game they have joined in. If it takes me to lose 10 games where we policy lynch town lurkers / shitposters i don't care. Maybe they stop joining games then. I woke up today and i read 10 pages of shit about policy lych / not policy lych and it made meangry because those posts could have been something uselful. It stops now. That's a noble attitude, but I prefer to focus only on the current game. And I don't want to lose now if it means (possibly) better games somewhere in the future. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos: Corazon is highly emotional player who contradicts himself as town, a lot. To me it seems like he's just pissed off for accusations against him because he finds them unreasonable. Stupid? Yes. Scummy? Not necessarily. He's far more reasonable and tries to control his emotions as scum. I don't see anything scummy in what he has said this game, mor likely it's just frustration. What you just quoted from Spaghetticus is attacking Cora for being emo. That's not scumhunting, that's an easy way to attack someone who says dumb stuff. The fact is Spag was here last night, he said he will catch up and share his thoughts. He ended up not catching up and and instead made 60 fluff posts about something irrelevant (defended himself against people who just wanted him to share his opinions). I find that highly suspicious. That's why I said "closest to scumhunting"  At least there were some elements of scumhunting, such as pointing out that someone is not making sense. Cora's posting could be town stupidity, but it definitely doesn't have a townish vibe.While on that topic, do you really think Cora's reaction is townish? I'd say it's more of a scummy reaction to get angry and start flinging accusations back at your accusers. It's not even really frustrated, but rather in a hurry to focus attention elsewhere. The fact that he hasn't really done anything outside of OMGUSing should be worrying. I dislike Spag posting without catching up with the thread. That's pretty null, though, in my opinion. Pretty careless as scum to do that either. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: And yes, i am focusing on the current game. Slam and purple at this point are no help to town, they help mafia with their actions. That's the truth regardless of their alignment. Therefore they should be lynched. Well, they're both okay lynches. Purple more than Alakaslam (my vote is still on him after all). I'm just saying that Alakaslam is pretty much an easy policy lynch that would be better dealt with a Vigi. | ||
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Plutarch, you agree with rayn that Cora's anger seems genuine? I don't really think so. He's just focused on countering those who have accused him and not much else. | ||
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