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On December 11 2013 07:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 06:13 Grackaroni wrote:On December 11 2013 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 05:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 05:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't think i am switching my vote off him today. So you're just going to throw your vote away if he's not a lynch candidate today? Come on man. Talk to me about Spaghetticus. Actually my plan was to convince you guys into voting him but there is still 24h to go on this phase. Spaghetticus looks scummy for being overly defensive when people were just trying to get him into reading the thread and giving out reads. He always found some excuse to comment on something that did not make him go towards telling who is mafia. Can you tell me exactly what you find suspicious of Grack? Is it that he voted you without pressuring you? He hasn't really done anything but this: The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't know what purpose that serves or how he thinks he is helping the town. By telling me i am not allowed to call out people for shitting on other people because i played bad in another game? Why would someone who is town do that? After checking his filter I can see where you're coming from. I can see a scum grack, but I also know that grack likes to troll. Picking a fight with you early on seems like a terrible idea as scum, but he skated by due to terrible ideas in LXIII too whilst being scum. I wouldn't oppose a Grack lynch at this point but I'm not convinced on it. Wait what. I didn't skate by for having terrible ideas in LXIII. I skated by for bussing half my team lol. Well yeah, what I mean is you skated by with trolling because you happened to bus half your team as well.
HF, I see a case that makes Bum hypocritical and bad, but not scum. I'd also appreciate it if scum stopped trying to get me lynched. It's not happening today Xata. I'm not scum for doubting my read.
For a player that is trying to get people to play town in an optimal way do you not think it strange that he choses to be hypocritical on a person that is coming under heavy pressure?
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On December 11 2013 08:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 07:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 07:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 06:13 Grackaroni wrote:On December 11 2013 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 05:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 05:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't think i am switching my vote off him today. So you're just going to throw your vote away if he's not a lynch candidate today? Come on man. Talk to me about Spaghetticus. Actually my plan was to convince you guys into voting him but there is still 24h to go on this phase. Spaghetticus looks scummy for being overly defensive when people were just trying to get him into reading the thread and giving out reads. He always found some excuse to comment on something that did not make him go towards telling who is mafia. Can you tell me exactly what you find suspicious of Grack? Is it that he voted you without pressuring you? He hasn't really done anything but this: The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't know what purpose that serves or how he thinks he is helping the town. By telling me i am not allowed to call out people for shitting on other people because i played bad in another game? Why would someone who is town do that? After checking his filter I can see where you're coming from. I can see a scum grack, but I also know that grack likes to troll. Picking a fight with you early on seems like a terrible idea as scum, but he skated by due to terrible ideas in LXIII too whilst being scum. I wouldn't oppose a Grack lynch at this point but I'm not convinced on it. Wait what. I didn't skate by for having terrible ideas in LXIII. I skated by for bussing half my team lol. Well yeah, what I mean is you skated by with trolling because you happened to bus half your team as well.
HF, I see a case that makes Bum hypocritical and bad, but not scum. I'd also appreciate it if scum stopped trying to get me lynched. It's not happening today Xata. I'm not scum for doubting my read. For a player that is trying to get people to play town in an optimal way do you not think it strange that he choses to be hypocritical on a person that is coming under heavy pressure? No, I just think he's bad and hasn't read properly.
He has more overall posts than you do, don't you think he could town better than that at that point?
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How can you possibly talk all about pushing scum agenda's in regards to Xatalos but whenever another person that displays blatant contradictions to his own actions appears it's downplayed to being bad/hotheaded? Why couldn't Xatalos be bad? Scum agenda is to push people off others with reasoning that appeases people, a player went actively against their own conditions to do this and it's just because he is bad?
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On December 11 2013 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 08:14 Holyflare wrote:
How can you possibly talk all about pushing scum agenda's in regards to Xatalos but whenever another person that displays blatant contradictions to his own actions appears it's downplayed to being bad/hotheaded? Why couldn't Xatalos be bad? Scum agenda is to push people off others with reasoning that appeases people, a player went actively against their own conditions to do this and it's just because he is bad? Since when do contradictions make someone scum? I contradict myself all the time. It's scum that are worried about contradicting themselves because they don't know if they can explain it. I feel like you're searching for scum in the wrong way and nothing you posted in your analysis leads me to believe that he is scum.
I don't think you understand. Contradictions in a normal play such as changing a read is fine, that can be seen as towny. However, almost half of his posts actively STATE that he dislikes to use meta but then he defends a player - who has a lot of votes - based on them using meta, whereas previously he dismissed everyone that has used it. That is an unacceptable contradiction.
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No I'm not drawing conclusions like that because I do not know their alignments.
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On December 11 2013 08:35 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 08:27 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm not drawing conclusions like that because I do not know their alignments. Fair enough. I'm just trying to think of another reason for this inconsistency, and it's hard to think of a satisfying reason. I guess we'll get a better picture of the situation when he comes back.
purple is town and he's giving reasons to not lynch
purple is scum and he's giving reasons to not lynch
avoiding wagons
all speculation that I don't want to look into atm
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On December 11 2013 08:50 LSB wrote:
Can someone who is more familiar with Alakaslam explain his relation to Chezinu? Or provide me a frame of reference for his play / meta call?
He is emulating what chezinu is doing and is thus doing a read based style of play. I don't know what he is alignment wise based off meta though because he hasn't played like this with me before and i've played with him as both alignments.
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On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors.
Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?
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Also, what happened to your sidesprang lynch? I take it that has disappeared if you are mentioning lynching slam over him?
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On December 11 2013 10:24 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors. Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it
That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics.
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Also, does it state anywhere what mafia kp is? I tried looking but couldn't find anything, assuming it's 2.
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On December 11 2013 10:36 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:32 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 10:24 LSB wrote:On December 11 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors. Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics. depends on how you look at it. He reverted out of it once he picked up 2 quick votes and people were talking about maybe voting for him. When everything breezed over he went back to trolling. It can be twisted anyway you want it to be. From the story I just told, that's survival tactics.
Well I'd agree but the last 2 pages of his filter are coherent and thoughts, it is only that last post that was quoted that was an out of the blue revert but as LSB said that was to illicit a reaction out of someone (stop ruining plans lsb)! So, in actuality he is contributing - or more to the fact that he isn't being detrimental like he was at the start.
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On December 11 2013 11:11 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:48 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 10:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 11 2013 10:32 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 10:24 LSB wrote:On December 11 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors. Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics. depends on how you look at it. He reverted out of it once he picked up 2 quick votes and people were talking about maybe voting for him. When everything breezed over he went back to trolling. It can be twisted anyway you want it to be. From the story I just told, that's survival tactics. Well I'd agree but the last 2 pages of his filter are coherent and thoughts, it is only that last post that was quoted that was an out of the blue revert but as LSB said that was to illicit a reaction out of someone (stop ruining plans lsb)! So, in actuality he is contributing - or more to the fact that he isn't being detrimental like he was at the start. ? i read it and it's just him spamming ice or talking about the definition of trolling and one post where he says to lynch kush. not exactly coherent I'd say
On December 10 2013 19:45 Alakaslam wrote:
I feel kind of indignant. I thought my posts had almost too obvious meaning.
I mean really...
Anyway, how I gather a read. The way I gather reads needed(eeds) to change. Past methods weren't working, I am too stoic and bland and always wrong. I gotta shake things up or start co-hosting, and if I can't understand playing the game I won't be any good at balance.
Xigxag, I wish I was quoting literature so that I could respond appropriately but I am wholly oblivious. If my light in a glass looks like Edison's work, let me assure you I am French. I am winging practically everything I say to maintain relevancy to this game.
Do scum admit they are winging everything they say?
On December 11 2013 03:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh hello he had to go.
Well, bumatlarge, maybe I will ask you this: does spaghetticus/xata interactions with the flaming fury maker (sorry) tell of anything at all? I am wanting to look at this as well. See what folks think.
Also, I was the first to ask for a votecount. Does this strike you as alignment indicative, are you certain my filter is "shit"? Care to check it out?
If anything it looks like slam is genuinely in a struggle to get to grips with how to recover back to townie status. I like his general direction from the end of page 3 to now. He is showing that he is willing to drop his previous state to get into the game rather than continue with an act that nobody liked. While certain aspects need to be polished, I don't think he's a great lynch for today.
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Also bum, in response to what you wrote. It is entirely NOT a twisting of words. Somebody states to you that pandain does not play like this as any alignment and is most probably afk - you state that you don't want to meta him, so are therefore not acknowledging that this isn't an afk pandain because you do not use meta, whereas, when purple comes in to talk about LSB with meta you then agree with him and have subsequently proven that you DO use meta by agreeing with his point on LSB missing things. WE CANNOT KNOW LSB'S ALIGNMENT FROM PYP SO STOP USING IT. What if he only did that as scum? Then your whole basis for liking it would be bad and we still would never know. So which is it? Are you relying on your own meta but nobody elses? Why is that the case?
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Also, in regards to Spag read. Why did you feel it apt to mention him as your top scum read only to rescind it within the next post? If you are going to post something along the lines of "I want to lynch this scummy player" then surely your first intention is to read that player? Also why, if he was top scum read do you want to lynch into modkill territory over someone that you find scummy?
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On December 11 2013 11:41 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote:
Also bum, in response to what you wrote. It is entirely NOT a twisting of words. Somebody states to you that pandain does not play like this as any alignment and is most probably afk - you state that you don't want to meta him, so are therefore not acknowledging that this isn't an afk pandain because you do not use meta, whereas, when purple comes in to talk about LSB with meta you then agree with him and have subsequently proven that you DO use meta by agreeing with his point on LSB missing things. WE CANNOT KNOW LSB'S ALIGNMENT FROM PYP SO STOP USING IT. What if he only did that as scum? Then your whole basis for liking it would be bad and we still would never know. So which is it? Are you relying on your own meta but nobody elses? Why is that the case?
Man, you are taking that too far now. Did you even read what I wrote? Here. Bum: I'm not going to meta Purple: LSB doesn't seem to read Bum:... LSB: LOL Holy: omg meta
You just agreed with a players reasoning based on a game you played with LSB which is the definition of meta >_>..... I'm not going to hammer this point anymore because I'm sure everyone gets it now but if you are in fact town I want to see more scum hunting from you.
For now, a current assignment. What do you think of LSB's vote choice and the case on sidesprang?
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On December 11 2013 11:55 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 11:20 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 11:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 11 2013 10:48 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 10:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 11 2013 10:32 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 10:24 LSB wrote:On December 11 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors. Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics. depends on how you look at it. He reverted out of it once he picked up 2 quick votes and people were talking about maybe voting for him. When everything breezed over he went back to trolling. It can be twisted anyway you want it to be. From the story I just told, that's survival tactics. Well I'd agree but the last 2 pages of his filter are coherent and thoughts, it is only that last post that was quoted that was an out of the blue revert but as LSB said that was to illicit a reaction out of someone (stop ruining plans lsb)! So, in actuality he is contributing - or more to the fact that he isn't being detrimental like he was at the start. ? i read it and it's just him spamming ice or talking about the definition of trolling and one post where he says to lynch kush. not exactly coherent I'd say On December 10 2013 19:45 Alakaslam wrote:
I feel kind of indignant. I thought my posts had almost too obvious meaning.
I mean really...
Anyway, how I gather a read. The way I gather reads needed(eeds) to change. Past methods weren't working, I am too stoic and bland and always wrong. I gotta shake things up or start co-hosting, and if I can't understand playing the game I won't be any good at balance.
Xigxag, I wish I was quoting literature so that I could respond appropriately but I am wholly oblivious. If my light in a glass looks like Edison's work, let me assure you I am French. I am winging practically everything I say to maintain relevancy to this game. Do scum admit they are winging everything they say? On December 11 2013 03:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh hello he had to go.
Well, bumatlarge, maybe I will ask you this: does spaghetticus/xata interactions with the flaming fury maker (sorry) tell of anything at all? I am wanting to look at this as well. See what folks think.
Also, I was the first to ask for a votecount. Does this strike you as alignment indicative, are you certain my filter is "shit"? Care to check it out? If anything it looks like slam is genuinely in a struggle to get to grips with how to recover back to townie status. I like his general direction from the end of page 3 to now. He is showing that he is willing to drop his previous state to get into the game rather than continue with an act that nobody liked. While certain aspects need to be polished, I don't think he's a great lynch for today. to your first question, I wing everything I say regardless of alignment so I don't see how that is relevant. That's more of a personal choice to overthink things or just type. I think anyone would want to be considered town regardless of alignment and this is my theory: His scum team started yelling at him to stop fucking around in his chat or he is simply town and doesn't want to get lynched, because who does?
Well I'm not saying he couldn't be scum or town but his attitude is improving and I don't think he's done anything scummy to warrant a lynch as of yet.
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Dat 1 man wagon, intense! I'd like to discuss his other posts before a wagon starts though.
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Well i attempted to find things to discuss but it's all................... meh? It's all Cora specific - "here's why he is scummyish but I won't push for his lynch, xatalos is also quite scummy but I won't push for him either". "I need to hear what he says first, even though I raised these points about him".
It's almost too obvious to be scum?
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Why are all the people that are in question always away when they come up... :/
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