In my eyes, what Bumatlarge is doing has very little town justification to it. He's said actively and openly that we should lynch the inactives, or even those to be modkilled, and not only is that incredibly risky to guess/assume, it also most likely won't hit mafia and I think he knows that. It's easy to say and seems townie, but actually isn't.
And then there's this post:
On December 11 2013 01:58 bumatlarge wrote: Spaghetti man is pretty mafia. I'd lynch him if pandain was here. Kushmasta seems super silly. If you have to (/green) things this early that aren't questions to the host, you are playing badly.
##Vote Pandain
Says this guy is likely mafia, and then still wants to lynch me. I thought this game was always about lynching who was scummy, not who is making your life harder by not posting much 24 hours in.
Finally, he hasn't actually contributed anything of his own accord early on; he's only answered questions.
I checked his town game in PYP, and there's a lot different in that there was a pre-phase where bans/picks were had; but still he wasn't arguing to lynch inactives or modkills(which could still happen), and he was actively contributing of his own accord.
Also, in regards to Spag read. Why did you feel it apt to mention him as your top scum read only to rescind it within the next post? If you are going to post something along the lines of "I want to lynch this scummy player" then surely your first intention is to read that player? Also why, if he was top scum read do you want to lynch into modkill territory over someone that you find scummy?
On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote: Probably I should include a reasoning: Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors.
Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?
By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?
He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it
That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics.
depends on how you look at it.
He reverted out of it once he picked up 2 quick votes and people were talking about maybe voting for him. When everything breezed over he went back to trolling. It can be twisted anyway you want it to be. From the story I just told, that's survival tactics.
Well I'd agree but the last 2 pages of his filter are coherent and thoughts, it is only that last post that was quoted that was an out of the blue revert but as LSB said that was to illicit a reaction out of someone (stop ruining plans lsb)! So, in actuality he is contributing - or more to the fact that he isn't being detrimental like he was at the start.
On December 11 2013 10:16 Holyflare wrote: Also, what happened to your sidesprang lynch? I take it that has disappeared if you are mentioning lynching slam over him?
Dunno, no one was talking about it so I decided to pressure slam. I'd rather lynch sidesprang if we get the traction
I have to go to sleep, I'm sorry. I just moved back home after finals and am exhausted. I'll contribute a lot more then that, but it would end up being pretty bad analysis anyway.
Voting him in the rare chance I sleep for 18 hours since I'm not using an alarm clock
only have followed thread on phone during certain points, so I have no strong opinions but I was fortunate enough to catch most of bum's posts so that's why I noticed him
On December 11 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote: Also bum, in response to what you wrote. It is entirely NOT a twisting of words. Somebody states to you that pandain does not play like this as any alignment and is most probably afk - you state that you don't want to meta him, so are therefore not acknowledging that this isn't an afk pandain because you do not use meta, whereas, when purple comes in to talk about LSB with meta you then agree with him and have subsequently proven that you DO use meta by agreeing with his point on LSB missing things. WE CANNOT KNOW LSB'S ALIGNMENT FROM PYP SO STOP USING IT. What if he only did that as scum? Then your whole basis for liking it would be bad and we still would never know. So which is it? Are you relying on your own meta but nobody elses? Why is that the case?
Man, you are taking that too far now. Did you even read what I wrote? Here.
Bum: I'm not going to meta Purple: LSB doesn't seem to read Bum:... LSB: LOL Holy: omg meta
On December 11 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote: Also bum, in response to what you wrote. It is entirely NOT a twisting of words. Somebody states to you that pandain does not play like this as any alignment and is most probably afk - you state that you don't want to meta him, so are therefore not acknowledging that this isn't an afk pandain because you do not use meta, whereas, when purple comes in to talk about LSB with meta you then agree with him and have subsequently proven that you DO use meta by agreeing with his point on LSB missing things. WE CANNOT KNOW LSB'S ALIGNMENT FROM PYP SO STOP USING IT. What if he only did that as scum? Then your whole basis for liking it would be bad and we still would never know. So which is it? Are you relying on your own meta but nobody elses? Why is that the case?
Man, you are taking that too far now. Did you even read what I wrote? Here.
Bum: I'm not going to meta Purple: LSB doesn't seem to read Bum:... LSB: LOL Holy: omg meta
You just agreed with a players reasoning based on a game you played with LSB which is the definition of meta >_>..... I'm not going to hammer this point anymore because I'm sure everyone gets it now but if you are in fact town I want to see more scum hunting from you.
For now, a current assignment. What do you think of LSB's vote choice and the case on sidesprang?
On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote: Probably I should include a reasoning: Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors.
Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?
By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?
He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it
That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics.
depends on how you look at it.
He reverted out of it once he picked up 2 quick votes and people were talking about maybe voting for him. When everything breezed over he went back to trolling. It can be twisted anyway you want it to be. From the story I just told, that's survival tactics.
Well I'd agree but the last 2 pages of his filter are coherent and thoughts, it is only that last post that was quoted that was an out of the blue revert but as LSB said that was to illicit a reaction out of someone (stop ruining plans lsb)! So, in actuality he is contributing - or more to the fact that he isn't being detrimental like he was at the start.
? i read it and it's just him spamming ice or talking about the definition of trolling and one post where he says to lynch kush. not exactly coherent I'd say
On December 10 2013 19:45 Alakaslam wrote: I feel kind of indignant. I thought my posts had almost too obvious meaning.
I mean really...
Anyway, how I gather a read. The way I gather reads needed(eeds) to change. Past methods weren't working, I am too stoic and bland and always wrong. I gotta shake things up or start co-hosting, and if I can't understand playing the game I won't be any good at balance.
Xigxag, I wish I was quoting literature so that I could respond appropriately but I am wholly oblivious. If my light in a glass looks like Edison's work, let me assure you I am French. I am winging practically everything I say to maintain relevancy to this game.
Do scum admit they are winging everything they say?
On December 11 2013 03:39 Alakaslam wrote: Oh hello he had to go.
Well, bumatlarge, maybe I will ask you this: does spaghetticus/xata interactions with the flaming fury maker (sorry) tell of anything at all? I am wanting to look at this as well. See what folks think.
Also, I was the first to ask for a votecount. Does this strike you as alignment indicative, are you certain my filter is "shit"? Care to check it out?
If anything it looks like slam is genuinely in a struggle to get to grips with how to recover back to townie status. I like his general direction from the end of page 3 to now. He is showing that he is willing to drop his previous state to get into the game rather than continue with an act that nobody liked. While certain aspects need to be polished, I don't think he's a great lynch for today.
to your first question, I wing everything I say regardless of alignment so I don't see how that is relevant. That's more of a personal choice to overthink things or just type.
I think anyone would want to be considered town regardless of alignment and this is my theory:
His scum team started yelling at him to stop fucking around in his chat
or he is simply town and doesn't want to get lynched, because who does?
Back after a stupid day of bullshit shopping. Smurfing is hard with my phone. I'm going to re-read the thread from the start when I wake up, too tired to do it right now.
On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote: Probably I should include a reasoning: Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors.
Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?
By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?
He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it
That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics.
depends on how you look at it.
He reverted out of it once he picked up 2 quick votes and people were talking about maybe voting for him. When everything breezed over he went back to trolling. It can be twisted anyway you want it to be. From the story I just told, that's survival tactics.
Well I'd agree but the last 2 pages of his filter are coherent and thoughts, it is only that last post that was quoted that was an out of the blue revert but as LSB said that was to illicit a reaction out of someone (stop ruining plans lsb)! So, in actuality he is contributing - or more to the fact that he isn't being detrimental like he was at the start.
? i read it and it's just him spamming ice or talking about the definition of trolling and one post where he says to lynch kush. not exactly coherent I'd say
On December 10 2013 19:45 Alakaslam wrote: I feel kind of indignant. I thought my posts had almost too obvious meaning.
I mean really...
Anyway, how I gather a read. The way I gather reads needed(eeds) to change. Past methods weren't working, I am too stoic and bland and always wrong. I gotta shake things up or start co-hosting, and if I can't understand playing the game I won't be any good at balance.
Xigxag, I wish I was quoting literature so that I could respond appropriately but I am wholly oblivious. If my light in a glass looks like Edison's work, let me assure you I am French. I am winging practically everything I say to maintain relevancy to this game.
Do scum admit they are winging everything they say?
On December 11 2013 03:39 Alakaslam wrote: Oh hello he had to go.
Well, bumatlarge, maybe I will ask you this: does spaghetticus/xata interactions with the flaming fury maker (sorry) tell of anything at all? I am wanting to look at this as well. See what folks think.
Also, I was the first to ask for a votecount. Does this strike you as alignment indicative, are you certain my filter is "shit"? Care to check it out?
If anything it looks like slam is genuinely in a struggle to get to grips with how to recover back to townie status. I like his general direction from the end of page 3 to now. He is showing that he is willing to drop his previous state to get into the game rather than continue with an act that nobody liked. While certain aspects need to be polished, I don't think he's a great lynch for today.
to your first question, I wing everything I say regardless of alignment so I don't see how that is relevant. That's more of a personal choice to overthink things or just type.
I think anyone would want to be considered town regardless of alignment and this is my theory:
His scum team started yelling at him to stop fucking around in his chat
or he is simply town and doesn't want to get lynched, because who does?
Well I'm not saying he couldn't be scum or town but his attitude is improving and I don't think he's done anything scummy to warrant a lynch as of yet.
I would say that coming out of his persona is pretty scummy but I digress. It's more then a policy lynch from me at this point. He didn't even break persona in Time To Die after being asked to many times. The fact that he broke here so easily leads me to believe that he is not the same alignment.
The sidesprang case is the bait and switch one right? He isn't too active, which is usually what you do if someone accuses you and they are right. He doesn't have alot to go on.
On December 11 2013 12:02 bumatlarge wrote: The sidesprang case is the bait and switch one right? He isn't too active, which is usually what you do if someone accuses you and they are right. He doesn't have alot to go on.
On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote: And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
OK this sentence just reeks of a scum mindset w/ the knowledge that cora is town. Because yes, asking someone to vote for yourself is anti-town when you are actually town. But if you're scum then it's just a kinda dumb, ballsy move. But it isn't anti-town.
Any comments on this? @ least would like to hear what people think of sidespring.
i think it's equally dumb as either alignment, 100% alignment neutral. What is your point sir?
btw voting you now based on on your scummy posting pattern. Also you bring up your shit point and want people to comment on it like its gold. ##unvote ##vote jarjar
My point was that I wanted to know if anyone had comments on it and I wanted to know people thought of sidespring. Pretty sure that was implied.
I'm reading sidespring as scum and would like to know if other people are as well.
You think that asking people vote for yourself is alignment nuetral? Great, I agree that a person doing that doesn't help tell you what their alignment is.
What I'm saying though is that it's anti-(whatever alignment that person is). So to say it's anti-town seems to imply that the person saying it is town.
So before you call my point shit, make sure you understand what I'm saying.
Exactly I currently view everyone as town, people have done scummy things. But no one are scum In my eyes yet, if so I would have voted for em. So why I would phrase that in any other way I really do not know, and tbh you just seem desperate to find something that is not there.
He is from Norway, his English might not be the best, but he has odd ways of approaching the game. He just needs to post more I think.
LSB, can you point out exactly what the bait and switch was from?
Well i attempted to find things to discuss but it's all................... meh? It's all Cora specific - "here's why he is scummyish but I won't push for his lynch, xatalos is also quite scummy but I won't push for him either". "I need to hear what he says first, even though I raised these points about him".
On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote: And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
OK this sentence just reeks of a scum mindset w/ the knowledge that cora is town. Because yes, asking someone to vote for yourself is anti-town when you are actually town. But if you're scum then it's just a kinda dumb, ballsy move. But it isn't anti-town.
Any comments on this? @ least would like to hear what people think of sidespring.
i think it's equally dumb as either alignment, 100% alignment neutral. What is your point sir?
btw voting you now based on on your scummy posting pattern. Also you bring up your shit point and want people to comment on it like its gold. ##unvote ##vote jarjar
My point was that I wanted to know if anyone had comments on it and I wanted to know people thought of sidespring. Pretty sure that was implied.
I'm reading sidespring as scum and would like to know if other people are as well.
You think that asking people vote for yourself is alignment nuetral? Great, I agree that a person doing that doesn't help tell you what their alignment is.
What I'm saying though is that it's anti-(whatever alignment that person is). So to say it's anti-town seems to imply that the person saying it is town.
So before you call my point shit, make sure you understand what I'm saying.
Exactly I currently view everyone as town, people have done scummy things. But no one are scum In my eyes yet, if so I would have voted for em. So why I would phrase that in any other way I really do not know, and tbh you just seem desperate to find something that is not there.
He is from Norway, his English might not be the best, but he has odd ways of approaching the game. He just needs to post more I think.
LSB, can you point out exactly what the bait and switch was from?
I made my initial case on cora to bait reads out of other people, sidesprang was one of the reactions that was negative.
On December 11 2013 08:50 LSB wrote: Can someone who is more familiar with Alakaslam explain his relation to Chezinu? Or provide me a frame of reference for his play / meta call?
He is emulating what chezinu is doing and is thus doing a read based style of play. I don't know what he is alignment wise based off meta though because he hasn't played like this with me before and i've played with him as both alignments.
On December 11 2013 08:34 Alakaslam wrote: Spaghetticus...
Your handle, coupled with your posts this time about, remind me of the stuff I would gladly remove from my freezer, before I discovered I was a celiac...
I never liked my food frozen, however. See, I was loth to use a microwave for this reason.
Time... To burn. Fires of the Titanic, unite!
##Vote: Spaghetticus
Any reasoning? It's posts like this that make you detrimental.
I believe he is trying to use the Chezinu rule on Spaghetticus, however I disagree in the application of the Chezinu rule in this case.
I am willing to spend a day one lynch on him
What the fuck? What are you talking about? I'm not sure you guys know what the chezinu rule is.
Basically means, "Hey I feel I found scum and you have expressed agreement so how about you consolidate with me like only makes sense? Or do you fear heat?"
More coming.
This is good also, bum, as it is fond memories. If the Onegu were here we could yell at each other, but as it is I will be Psycho with thine own good self.
.... But remember then Mr. Freeze may show up. We seek Batman as well now?
Careful. We got the following going;
The Titanic itself Military vessels Starcraft: Brood war Cool Runnings My own domicile Power Rangers
This may make the crowd's wisdom deteriorate. And the crowd's wisdom is currently great! The flame is strong! But some are straying to oils in the name of melting the ice, but explosions also sink a ship. Let us keep ourselves afloat, I will remember that I have low skill such than many would say my fire is ice.
And know also, though it stresses the wisdom we share, so also it will stress the wisdom and fusion of the Ice. This I learned from a Raynepelikoneet, and I returned to him gasoline. This was foolish, I burned my hand.
EPT
