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On December 11 2013 07:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 06:13 Grackaroni wrote:On December 11 2013 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 05:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 05:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't think i am switching my vote off him today. So you're just going to throw your vote away if he's not a lynch candidate today? Come on man. Talk to me about Spaghetticus. Actually my plan was to convince you guys into voting him but there is still 24h to go on this phase. Spaghetticus looks scummy for being overly defensive when people were just trying to get him into reading the thread and giving out reads. He always found some excuse to comment on something that did not make him go towards telling who is mafia. Can you tell me exactly what you find suspicious of Grack? Is it that he voted you without pressuring you? He hasn't really done anything but this: The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't know what purpose that serves or how he thinks he is helping the town. By telling me i am not allowed to call out people for shitting on other people because i played bad in another game? Why would someone who is town do that? After checking his filter I can see where you're coming from. I can see a scum grack, but I also know that grack likes to troll. Picking a fight with you early on seems like a terrible idea as scum, but he skated by due to terrible ideas in LXIII too whilst being scum. I wouldn't oppose a Grack lynch at this point but I'm not convinced on it. Wait what. I didn't skate by for having terrible ideas in LXIII. I skated by for bussing half my team lol. Well yeah, what I mean is you skated by with trolling because you happened to bus half your team as well.
HF, I see a case that makes Bum hypocritical and bad, but not scum. I'd also appreciate it if scum stopped trying to get me lynched. It's not happening today Xata. I'm not scum for doubting my read.
It's not the fact that you were doubting your read. It's the fact that you went to such great lengths to leave your options open in any direction.
But I guess you're right. It's not really fruitful to pursue you now. It's hard to say anyone's alignment with high certainty during D1, and if you were town, it would be a bigger loss than several other players.
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On December 11 2013 07:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 07:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 06:13 Grackaroni wrote:On December 11 2013 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 05:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 05:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't think i am switching my vote off him today. So you're just going to throw your vote away if he's not a lynch candidate today? Come on man. Talk to me about Spaghetticus. Actually my plan was to convince you guys into voting him but there is still 24h to go on this phase. Spaghetticus looks scummy for being overly defensive when people were just trying to get him into reading the thread and giving out reads. He always found some excuse to comment on something that did not make him go towards telling who is mafia. Can you tell me exactly what you find suspicious of Grack? Is it that he voted you without pressuring you? He hasn't really done anything but this: The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't know what purpose that serves or how he thinks he is helping the town. By telling me i am not allowed to call out people for shitting on other people because i played bad in another game? Why would someone who is town do that? After checking his filter I can see where you're coming from. I can see a scum grack, but I also know that grack likes to troll. Picking a fight with you early on seems like a terrible idea as scum, but he skated by due to terrible ideas in LXIII too whilst being scum. I wouldn't oppose a Grack lynch at this point but I'm not convinced on it. Wait what. I didn't skate by for having terrible ideas in LXIII. I skated by for bussing half my team lol. Well yeah, what I mean is you skated by with trolling because you happened to bus half your team as well.
HF, I see a case that makes Bum hypocritical and bad, but not scum. I'd also appreciate it if scum stopped trying to get me lynched. It's not happening today Xata. I'm not scum for doubting my read. For a player that is trying to get people to play town in an optimal way do you not think it strange that he choses to be hypocritical on a person that is coming under heavy pressure?
No, I just think he's bad and hasn't read properly.
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On December 11 2013 08:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 07:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 07:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 06:13 Grackaroni wrote:On December 11 2013 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 05:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 05:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't think i am switching my vote off him today. So you're just going to throw your vote away if he's not a lynch candidate today? Come on man. Talk to me about Spaghetticus. Actually my plan was to convince you guys into voting him but there is still 24h to go on this phase. Spaghetticus looks scummy for being overly defensive when people were just trying to get him into reading the thread and giving out reads. He always found some excuse to comment on something that did not make him go towards telling who is mafia. Can you tell me exactly what you find suspicious of Grack? Is it that he voted you without pressuring you? He hasn't really done anything but this: The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't know what purpose that serves or how he thinks he is helping the town. By telling me i am not allowed to call out people for shitting on other people because i played bad in another game? Why would someone who is town do that? After checking his filter I can see where you're coming from. I can see a scum grack, but I also know that grack likes to troll. Picking a fight with you early on seems like a terrible idea as scum, but he skated by due to terrible ideas in LXIII too whilst being scum. I wouldn't oppose a Grack lynch at this point but I'm not convinced on it. Wait what. I didn't skate by for having terrible ideas in LXIII. I skated by for bussing half my team lol. Well yeah, what I mean is you skated by with trolling because you happened to bus half your team as well.
HF, I see a case that makes Bum hypocritical and bad, but not scum. I'd also appreciate it if scum stopped trying to get me lynched. It's not happening today Xata. I'm not scum for doubting my read. For a player that is trying to get people to play town in an optimal way do you not think it strange that he choses to be hypocritical on a person that is coming under heavy pressure? No, I just think he's bad and hasn't read properly.
He has more overall posts than you do, don't you think he could town better than that at that point?
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On December 11 2013 08:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 08:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 07:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 07:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 06:13 Grackaroni wrote:On December 11 2013 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 05:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 05:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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So you're just going to throw your vote away if he's not a lynch candidate today? Come on man.
Talk to me about Spaghetticus. Actually my plan was to convince you guys into voting him but there is still 24h to go on this phase. Spaghetticus looks scummy for being overly defensive when people were just trying to get him into reading the thread and giving out reads. He always found some excuse to comment on something that did not make him go towards telling who is mafia. Can you tell me exactly what you find suspicious of Grack? Is it that he voted you without pressuring you? He hasn't really done anything but this: The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't know what purpose that serves or how he thinks he is helping the town. By telling me i am not allowed to call out people for shitting on other people because i played bad in another game? Why would someone who is town do that? After checking his filter I can see where you're coming from. I can see a scum grack, but I also know that grack likes to troll. Picking a fight with you early on seems like a terrible idea as scum, but he skated by due to terrible ideas in LXIII too whilst being scum. I wouldn't oppose a Grack lynch at this point but I'm not convinced on it. Wait what. I didn't skate by for having terrible ideas in LXIII. I skated by for bussing half my team lol. Well yeah, what I mean is you skated by with trolling because you happened to bus half your team as well.
HF, I see a case that makes Bum hypocritical and bad, but not scum. I'd also appreciate it if scum stopped trying to get me lynched. It's not happening today Xata. I'm not scum for doubting my read. For a player that is trying to get people to play town in an optimal way do you not think it strange that he choses to be hypocritical on a person that is coming under heavy pressure? No, I just think he's bad and hasn't read properly. He has more overall posts than you do, don't you think he could town better than that at that point?
Post counts say nothing. Rayn posted a shitton during LXIII but he got lynched as town whereas I shot scum and suspected a second. I haven't seen anything that makes me think of bum as scum rather than bad.
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How can you possibly talk all about pushing scum agenda's in regards to Xatalos but whenever another person that displays blatant contradictions to his own actions appears it's downplayed to being bad/hotheaded? Why couldn't Xatalos be bad? Scum agenda is to push people off others with reasoning that appeases people, a player went actively against their own conditions to do this and it's just because he is bad?
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On December 11 2013 08:14 Holyflare wrote:
How can you possibly talk all about pushing scum agenda's in regards to Xatalos but whenever another person that displays blatant contradictions to his own actions appears it's downplayed to being bad/hotheaded? Why couldn't Xatalos be bad? Scum agenda is to push people off others with reasoning that appeases people, a player went actively against their own conditions to do this and it's just because he is bad?
Since when do contradictions make someone scum? I contradict myself all the time. It's scum that are worried about contradicting themselves because they don't know if they can explain it. I feel like you're searching for scum in the wrong way and nothing you posted in your analysis leads me to believe that he is scum.
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On December 11 2013 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 08:14 Holyflare wrote:
How can you possibly talk all about pushing scum agenda's in regards to Xatalos but whenever another person that displays blatant contradictions to his own actions appears it's downplayed to being bad/hotheaded? Why couldn't Xatalos be bad? Scum agenda is to push people off others with reasoning that appeases people, a player went actively against their own conditions to do this and it's just because he is bad? Since when do contradictions make someone scum? I contradict myself all the time. It's scum that are worried about contradicting themselves because they don't know if they can explain it. I feel like you're searching for scum in the wrong way and nothing you posted in your analysis leads me to believe that he is scum.
I don't think you understand. Contradictions in a normal play such as changing a read is fine, that can be seen as towny. However, almost half of his posts actively STATE that he dislikes to use meta but then he defends a player - who has a lot of votes - based on them using meta, whereas previously he dismissed everyone that has used it. That is an unacceptable contradiction.
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On December 11 2013 08:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 08:14 Holyflare wrote:
How can you possibly talk all about pushing scum agenda's in regards to Xatalos but whenever another person that displays blatant contradictions to his own actions appears it's downplayed to being bad/hotheaded? Why couldn't Xatalos be bad? Scum agenda is to push people off others with reasoning that appeases people, a player went actively against their own conditions to do this and it's just because he is bad? Since when do contradictions make someone scum? I contradict myself all the time. It's scum that are worried about contradicting themselves because they don't know if they can explain it. I feel like you're searching for scum in the wrong way and nothing you posted in your analysis leads me to believe that he is scum. I don't think you understand. Contradictions in a normal play such as changing a read is fine, that can be seen as towny. However, almost half of his posts actively STATE that he dislikes to use meta but then he defends a player - who has a lot of votes - based on them using meta, whereas previously he dismissed everyone that has used it. That is an unacceptable contradiction.
Do you think that purple and bum are scum together? That seems to be the way this line of logic is going in.
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On December 11 2013 08:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 11 2013 08:14 Holyflare wrote:
How can you possibly talk all about pushing scum agenda's in regards to Xatalos but whenever another person that displays blatant contradictions to his own actions appears it's downplayed to being bad/hotheaded? Why couldn't Xatalos be bad? Scum agenda is to push people off others with reasoning that appeases people, a player went actively against their own conditions to do this and it's just because he is bad? Since when do contradictions make someone scum? I contradict myself all the time. It's scum that are worried about contradicting themselves because they don't know if they can explain it. I feel like you're searching for scum in the wrong way and nothing you posted in your analysis leads me to believe that he is scum. I don't think you understand. Contradictions in a normal play such as changing a read is fine, that can be seen as towny. However, almost half of his posts actively STATE that he dislikes to use meta but then he defends a player - who has a lot of votes - based on them using meta, whereas previously he dismissed everyone that has used it. That is an unacceptable contradiction.
Okay, that's different, you're right. If you had summarized your case in this manner I'd have followed your thought process more clearly. I'll reread bum's filter and see for myself.
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No I'm not drawing conclusions like that because I do not know their alignments.
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On December 11 2013 05:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
remember that pandain is in college and probably taking finals right now, so I expect him to be pretty afk regardless of alignment
Wow he is in college now? You have grown up my man
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Spaghetticus...
Your handle, coupled with your posts this time about, remind me of the stuff I would gladly remove from my freezer, before I discovered I was a celiac...
I never liked my food frozen, however. See, I was loth to use a microwave for this reason.
Time... To burn. Fires of the Titanic, unite!
##Vote: Spaghetticus
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I decided to take a quick look at Bum's other game in PYP too and searched for meta, zero results compared to four results this game in two pages of filter. It's interesting to me that he made a big deal out of it in the opening of this game when it wasn't a factor in his previous game. That said, his previous game which shall not be discussed further as it's still ongoing is a themed game, so there's more to talk about initially. I still think it's odd though, especially when he's inconsistent on it. The rest of his filter is fluff which doesn't persuade me to one side or the other. I'd lean red on him.
Won't be there for much of tomorrow but I'll try to be there at deadline.
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On December 11 2013 08:27 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm not drawing conclusions like that because I do not know their alignments.
Fair enough. I'm just trying to think of another reason for this inconsistency, and it's hard to think of a satisfying reason. I guess we'll get a better picture of the situation when he comes back.
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On December 11 2013 08:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Spaghetticus...
Your handle, coupled with your posts this time about, remind me of the stuff I would gladly remove from my freezer, before I discovered I was a celiac...
I never liked my food frozen, however. See, I was loth to use a microwave for this reason.
Time... To burn. Fires of the Titanic, unite!
##Vote: Spaghetticus
While I like who you voted, I would like to hear the reasons why you voted for him. Not to be a buzzkill, but preferably in a serious manner.
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On December 11 2013 08:35 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 08:27 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm not drawing conclusions like that because I do not know their alignments. Fair enough. I'm just trying to think of another reason for this inconsistency, and it's hard to think of a satisfying reason. I guess we'll get a better picture of the situation when he comes back.
purple is town and he's giving reasons to not lynch
purple is scum and he's giving reasons to not lynch
avoiding wagons
all speculation that I don't want to look into atm
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Could we get a votecount, please?
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On December 11 2013 08:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Spaghetticus...
Your handle, coupled with your posts this time about, remind me of the stuff I would gladly remove from my freezer, before I discovered I was a celiac...
I never liked my food frozen, however. See, I was loth to use a microwave for this reason.
Time... To burn. Fires of the Titanic, unite!
##Vote: Spaghetticus
Any reasoning? It's posts like this that make you detrimental.
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Can someone who is more familiar with Alakaslam explain his relation to Chezinu? Or provide me a frame of reference for his play / meta call?
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On December 10 2013 16:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
I will say though that playing as scum last game you probably realize that Slam basically adds another scum to the game as either alignment. So I'm fine with lynching him regardless unless something very convincing goes down.
I don't see anything that tells me otherwise at least yet.
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