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On December 11 2013 08:50 LSB wrote:
Can someone who is more familiar with Alakaslam explain his relation to Chezinu? Or provide me a frame of reference for his play / meta call?
He is emulating what chezinu is doing and is thus doing a read based style of play. I don't know what he is alignment wise based off meta though because he hasn't played like this with me before and i've played with him as both alignments.
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On December 11 2013 08:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 08:50 LSB wrote:
Can someone who is more familiar with Alakaslam explain his relation to Chezinu? Or provide me a frame of reference for his play / meta call? He is emulating what chezinu is doing and is thus doing a read based style of play. I don't know what he is alignment wise based off meta though because he hasn't played like this with me before and i've played with him as both alignments.
Thanks, it helps a lot
On December 11 2013 08:38 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 08:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Spaghetticus...
Your handle, coupled with your posts this time about, remind me of the stuff I would gladly remove from my freezer, before I discovered I was a celiac...
I never liked my food frozen, however. See, I was loth to use a microwave for this reason.
Time... To burn. Fires of the Titanic, unite!
##Vote: Spaghetticus Any reasoning? It's posts like this that make you detrimental.
I believe he is trying to use the Chezinu rule on Spaghetticus, however I disagree in the application of the Chezinu rule in this case.
I am willing to spend a day one lynch on him
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Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors.
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imo it's a cop out to lynch alakaslam on policy. he is contributing plenty and also giving reads.
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On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors.
Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?
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Also, what happened to your sidesprang lynch? I take it that has disappeared if you are mentioning lynching slam over him?
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I'll give a response to you in a little bit holyflare. I think I understand what you are getting at, but I think ou accidentally misconstrued what I said. I probably stated stuff poorly
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On December 11 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors. Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?
By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?
He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it
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Not to mention he isn't close to getting lynched at all, because TL towns don't have the balls to go through with these kind of lynches. He will survive to endgame as usual.
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On December 11 2013 10:24 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors. Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it
That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics.
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Also, does it state anywhere what mafia kp is? I tried looking but couldn't find anything, assuming it's 2.
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On December 11 2013 10:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:24 LSB wrote:On December 11 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors. Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics.
depends on how you look at it.
He reverted out of it once he picked up 2 quick votes and people were talking about maybe voting for him. When everything breezed over he went back to trolling. It can be twisted anyway you want it to be. From the story I just told, that's survival tactics.
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On December 11 2013 10:36 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:32 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 10:24 LSB wrote:On December 11 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors. Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics. depends on how you look at it. He reverted out of it once he picked up 2 quick votes and people were talking about maybe voting for him. When everything breezed over he went back to trolling. It can be twisted anyway you want it to be. From the story I just told, that's survival tactics.
Well I'd agree but the last 2 pages of his filter are coherent and thoughts, it is only that last post that was quoted that was an out of the blue revert but as LSB said that was to illicit a reaction out of someone (stop ruining plans lsb)! So, in actuality he is contributing - or more to the fact that he isn't being detrimental like he was at the start.
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On December 11 2013 07:31 Holyflare wrote:Ok nobody asked me to further my read on bum when I just posted so I'm going to do it for you. Hey, HF, what did this mean? Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'm having real problems with bumatlarge right now. Oh, thanks for pointing that out! Well here's what I'm saying. Bumatlarge is a problem in our current environment. While the game is continuously developing with speech on people, reads on others and general scum hunting his attitude is not to participate in any of this for the majority of his first and second appearences in the thread. In fact, he urges AGAINST lynching people that aren't modkill territory. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 13:30 bumatlarge wrote:
I say we lynch someone who is threatening to be modkilled. I've had that argument before and I still stand by that it's not the same as a no lynch. Now, as a town mindset, I don't mind this if he kept it to himself and slightly pushed for a pandain lynch over time by gently easing us into it with constructive points on why so and so is better to keep in the game than a player who looks like he just got caught up IRL. However, he effectively disregards that pandain plays actively as all alignments by saying he doesn't care what pandain is capable of:Show nested quote +Also do you think Pandain as mafia is type of a player that goes inactive for any other than non-game related reasons? If not, why exactly are you trying to shut down discussion? ?!?!?! I don't meta this early. Why would you think that last statement. Am I distracting you? What benefit do these interactions bring anyone other than to antagonise or hide his alignment? People are curious as to why he wants to lynch off pandain - who is quite clearly not here - and his first response is to question why people are annoyed rather than actively discuss.
The bolded part is a pretty big twist of words. Of course I care what Pandain is capable of. I did make a mistake though, as I'm not used to replacements. Pandain wouldn't be modkilled, he'd just be replaced. I'm glad you pointed this out.
##Unvote
I was clearly trying to get my thoughts out, and no one had yet to respond to rayne about his reads on grack and purple.
He is also quite happy to give out scum read BEFORE he has read anything to do with the players: Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 01:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Spaghetti man is pretty mafia. I'd lynch him if pandain was here. Kushmasta seems super silly. If you have to (/green) things this early that aren't questions to the host, you are playing badly.
##Vote Pandain and then we all know he completely backtracked by saying "oh i read you now you aren't scum"... A person he had a TOP scum read on suddenly becomes not scum - spag over everyone else so far - just because he decided it was apt to read up on the person he called scum after he called him scum. Giving out reads on people based off idea's in your head is not a town mentality, or if it is, it is indicative of a LAZY town, something that bumatlarge surely wouldn't be as he was trying to instruct people how to play town at the start of the game.
You didn't include what I said after that.
On December 11 2013 02:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Reading your fitler, I'm probably wrong. I didn't remember you posting alot early, but you did and it was better. You seem aggravated, I'd actually suggest stepping away from mafia for an hour or two and come back with a fresh mind.
You sure do ask a lot of questions. That's great but it's an easy way for scum to post. Think of how easy it is to poke around new threads and post question marks. Super minor though.
Your last few posts seem a little too vicious for what you are calling out. Activity is looking great this game, so let's not discuss how big our filters are, when your filter is not hard for you to generate as scum. There are much worse offenders then you, I'll try to find them. You should vote pandain though.
I think I stated that fairly well. I didn't get the same read I did reading his more recent posts on my phone.
I could do a play by play of his following posts but he actively neglects a player in this game (kush) by saying he won't respond to questions raised by him. That being said, this is the thing that stands out to me THE MOST....
Did you read what kush posted?
Purple has not participated in this game really AT ALL, i'd lump him in with pandain in terms of activity except purple looks way more scummy. Bum dictates that he is not using meta at all in this game and actively persuades people to not do the same but then justifies purples reads on LSB when purple indeed used meta: Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 03:35 bumatlarge wrote:On December 11 2013 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 03:16 bumatlarge wrote:On December 11 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 03:01 bumatlarge wrote:On December 11 2013 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bumatlarge do you think Pandains posting / lack of posting is the most important thing there is going on in thread? Don't worry, I'm reading your posts  you to are a big question asker, but you seem to do that alot anyway. Put it this way. I'd like to enter Day 2 with everyone here except pandain. I'm not advocating a sort of no-lynch policy, but I don't think we have a good lynch. What is important in this thread at the moment is debatable. I want to keep the accusations streamlined, and I don't want 6 kushmastas giving me their green reads. The pressure levels are sweet. That's probably what's most important. Wait what? We are under 24h into the game and the only thing you want to talk about is someone who has not posted. Do you think people voting for him now does: 1) make him magically come here posting sooner? 2) leave us with more information than pressuring other people even if he does not come back and we lynch him? But he hasss posted. Information is overrated! He will come if we vote him. He is the missing corner piece to a fully fledged town! MEGAZORD ASSEMBLED! Also do you think Pandain as mafia is type of a player that goes inactive for any other than non-game related reasons? If not, why exactly are you trying to shut down discussion? ?!?!?! I don't meta this early. Why would you think that last statement. Am I distracting you? To me it seemed like you wanted to vote for an inactive, encouraged everyone else to vote for an inactive and therefore shut down any productive discussion until Pandain returns. Apparently this is not true (since you started talking about other things) so carry on, my post is no longer relevant. What do you think of my cases on Grackaroni and purpletrator? I believe pressure is possible outside of immediate voting and lynching. I am not attempting to derail any of your hard work. I actually liked purples reason for getting off LSB, but as LSB said, he should look at any other finishe game LSB has played, of which there is many. His reason for getting on LSB in the first place is not good. That whole interaction seemed like a joke up until that point. That said, let smurfs smurf. I'm all about not reading metas this game if you haven't noticed. I need to see more from grackaroni to be convinced of anything. He liked purples reason for getting off LSB!?!??!?!?!?! (META META META META META) Not only was purples reasoning for getting off of LSB atrocious but he is then telling us that he accepts it as a logical reason based on meta (that he doesn't want us to use) for getting off LSB? Why is it that he can pick and choose when to accept meta for people like LSB and purple but not for people like pandain etc? There is no good reason other than to say he doesn't like a purple lynch. He knows purple is a smurf, purple has been bad this game. Let's leave him alone. That is NOT a logical conclusion to draw from the entirety of his filter. I don't like it at all.
Again, I probably should explained why I liked it. I can't go into too much detail, but
On December 10 2013 09:00 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:56 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 08:55 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 08:53 Xatalos wrote:
By the way, purple, your filter is pretty lackluster so far. What have you been doing for all this time? Actively lurking? i went to look at LSB's old games, only actually looked at PYP which is still ongoing and decided I'd seen enough to unvote him. Can you go into specifics? He fails to read things properly. I should actually read games where I know his alignment, but I dont see it making a difference tbh.
I was lynched day 1 in PYP because LSB took tryndamere after I said I was going to. He just missed my claim. I ended up failing to deny tryndamere and getting counterclaimed by LSB on something I thought was pretty cool townie move. I was bringing it up as a joke, because it's that very reason that screwed me really good. It is contradictory if you didn't know the backstory.
but then.... Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 04:45 bumatlarge wrote:On December 11 2013 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
bumatlarge in fact my case on purple was not purely based on how he get on / off LSB, it was based on the fact that not a single piece of their interaction could possibly share any light on LSB's alignment to him. It was a useless contribution that was in a crappy way made look like he was contributing something. I have to agree. The post he voted LSB with really sells it. he agrees with rayn.................? I want to hear his responses but my unvote/vote is heavily leaning towards him right now.
You are mixing up Purple's off/on votes. I thought his reason for voting LSB was bad. And I found his reasons for unvoting LSB to be funny. Just because I am not using meta, doesn't mean I can't comment on other people who do.
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I'd like to say again, lynching inactives is bad because of replacements. A bad oversight on my part.
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On December 11 2013 10:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 11 2013 10:32 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 10:24 LSB wrote:On December 11 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors. Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics. depends on how you look at it. He reverted out of it once he picked up 2 quick votes and people were talking about maybe voting for him. When everything breezed over he went back to trolling. It can be twisted anyway you want it to be. From the story I just told, that's survival tactics. Well I'd agree but the last 2 pages of his filter are coherent and thoughts, it is only that last post that was quoted that was an out of the blue revert but as LSB said that was to illicit a reaction out of someone (stop ruining plans lsb)! So, in actuality he is contributing - or more to the fact that he isn't being detrimental like he was at the start.
? i read it and it's just him spamming ice or talking about the definition of trolling and one post where he says to lynch kush. not exactly coherent I'd say
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On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?
Was this actually a joke because if so it was a pretty bad joke.
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On December 11 2013 11:11 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:48 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 10:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 11 2013 10:32 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 10:24 LSB wrote:On December 11 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.
I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors. Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play? He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics. depends on how you look at it. He reverted out of it once he picked up 2 quick votes and people were talking about maybe voting for him. When everything breezed over he went back to trolling. It can be twisted anyway you want it to be. From the story I just told, that's survival tactics. Well I'd agree but the last 2 pages of his filter are coherent and thoughts, it is only that last post that was quoted that was an out of the blue revert but as LSB said that was to illicit a reaction out of someone (stop ruining plans lsb)! So, in actuality he is contributing - or more to the fact that he isn't being detrimental like he was at the start. ? i read it and it's just him spamming ice or talking about the definition of trolling and one post where he says to lynch kush. not exactly coherent I'd say
On December 10 2013 19:45 Alakaslam wrote:
I feel kind of indignant. I thought my posts had almost too obvious meaning.
I mean really...
Anyway, how I gather a read. The way I gather reads needed(eeds) to change. Past methods weren't working, I am too stoic and bland and always wrong. I gotta shake things up or start co-hosting, and if I can't understand playing the game I won't be any good at balance.
Xigxag, I wish I was quoting literature so that I could respond appropriately but I am wholly oblivious. If my light in a glass looks like Edison's work, let me assure you I am French. I am winging practically everything I say to maintain relevancy to this game.
Do scum admit they are winging everything they say?
On December 11 2013 03:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh hello he had to go.
Well, bumatlarge, maybe I will ask you this: does spaghetticus/xata interactions with the flaming fury maker (sorry) tell of anything at all? I am wanting to look at this as well. See what folks think.
Also, I was the first to ask for a votecount. Does this strike you as alignment indicative, are you certain my filter is "shit"? Care to check it out?
If anything it looks like slam is genuinely in a struggle to get to grips with how to recover back to townie status. I like his general direction from the end of page 3 to now. He is showing that he is willing to drop his previous state to get into the game rather than continue with an act that nobody liked. While certain aspects need to be polished, I don't think he's a great lynch for today.
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Also bum, in response to what you wrote. It is entirely NOT a twisting of words. Somebody states to you that pandain does not play like this as any alignment and is most probably afk - you state that you don't want to meta him, so are therefore not acknowledging that this isn't an afk pandain because you do not use meta, whereas, when purple comes in to talk about LSB with meta you then agree with him and have subsequently proven that you DO use meta by agreeing with his point on LSB missing things. WE CANNOT KNOW LSB'S ALIGNMENT FROM PYP SO STOP USING IT. What if he only did that as scum? Then your whole basis for liking it would be bad and we still would never know. So which is it? Are you relying on your own meta but nobody elses? Why is that the case?
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