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On December 10 2013 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 20:44 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 20:20 kushm4sta wrote:
@rayn i dont remember what game dessert was. I actually better remember xatalos' meta from a game i played with him several months ago when I first started playing mafia. He posted as little as possible without looking like a lurker.
If his meta has changed as you suggest, that I take back my townread of him. I was talking about this very game! That I didn't play in. Interesting. In case you are not lying about the game you are talking about how do you explain your use of words [u]in my experience when it cannot possibly be "in your experience"? [/i]
because he was obsing:
Oatsmaster, Obzy, debears, yamato, marvellosity
That is the list of obs in that game.
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On December 10 2013 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So when you are talking about Xatalos' scum meta why do you not look at games that are close to this one in terms of size? And games that are most recent (hint: Dessert)?
Kush and Plutarch does either one of you have anything to say about my post on Xatalos?
I'm not so sure they match up. In the ones that you linked they are all fluff and undecided. In this game he's discussing things and although is undecided I don't get the same feeling of style from it.
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Artanis those things you point out are definitely not the scummy things that cora is doing. I'll highlight some things for you (check my filter for more in-depth stuff on him).
1) He says he dislikes lurkers a lot and will be hard on them this game - hasn't done that at all.
2) He has a list of 3 people that he thinks are scum: Xatalos, me? and purple (after not mentioning much/anything? about him)
3) Claimed he disliked piggybacking and then proceeded to piggyback onto Xatalos, +1ing slam.
4) After being pressured says he has to go, returns when Xatalos has started to gain traction and then pushes him (within the time he said he'd be gone).
There are more but it's mostly in my filter. I don't like how you've left all that out though and only mentioned that 1 post has scummy nature to it.
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Oh! it's VE. That was boring :S
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On December 10 2013 21:09 Grackaroni wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that Plutarch is WBG.
he said he wasn't playing though!
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On December 10 2013 08:42 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:30 kushm4sta wrote:
ya like i said im lurk strating. have no opinions on anything so dont even bother to ask.
Alright then. If it's going to be like this, I don't want you alive at LYLO. Start doing something or die. ##Vote kushm4sta
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On December 10 2013 21:32 Plutarch wrote:If I played in dessert why would I be using an older game as meta? You guys....
ok kita!
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As for spag:
Lack of sleep evolved into fugue.
Spag I killed you last game because we were blue sniping, the reason was that you were posting in a townie style but NOT ENOUGH content to appear too towny. If you want to change your game, now is the time to do it but don't scale back you need to go balls to the wall town play. Weak starts are always always always an issue. We don't know your alignment and your start suggests that you aren't doing anything to persuade us in the positive direction in general. All I've seen is your posts on Slam and that's pretty much it.
You told us you didn't like our posts trying to find out whose smurfing, yet, you provided no alternate direction for us to garner our attention. Why was that?
You say you have plenty of time but why is that? You have no content and you could be a real contender for a lynch.
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The point is there are several trains of thought currently going but you are pretty much participating in none of them, yet, you expect that it will be fine for us to wait for you to step it up and demonstrate that you are actually town rather than a person whose only contribution so far is to hate on Slam's posts.
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I am most definitely thinking of lynching him if he doesn't start participating within the next hour or so (obviously based on time available)
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On December 10 2013 21:55 Plutarch wrote:
Is it wrong to be paranoid about scum rayne right now?
I'm not seeing any crazy omgyouarescumrightnownothingcanchangemymind mentality, so it's always a possibility.
Rayn.. why are you so agreeable in this game??
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Either way, he brought up artanis being weird at the same time as I was asking him the question and he made a case on purple when he had kinda faded out of discussion so at least it served to get on track onto something.
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On December 10 2013 22:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 22:02 Grackaroni wrote:On December 10 2013 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I see you "don't like" Artanis either. Do you think he's less scummy than purple?
What about Corazon?
What's the purpose of this? If you have read my filter and know who's my vote on you'd know the answers to these questions. Also what do you think of Grackaroni's answer to my case on purple? Your vote is on purpletrator, so I'd assume you think he's the scummiest. What I meant to say is: what's your opinion on Artanis and Corazon at the moment? Hmmm. I don't really understand what Grackaroni is saying. Apparently he means to refute your case by saying it's obvious.......... Well, I guess he means that it's just stating the obvious and not much of a case. Weird to randomly point that out though. And why would being obvious make a case "weak", I really wonder. My thoughts on Artanis have not really changed since i last posted them (after the "i don't like him" post). I agree with what Plutarch said about Corazon as i said, i don't think anything else in his posting is scummy. Grackaroni basically does not even address my case because it's not about if purple is clueless or not. That's scummy as hell. That is the entirety of your case. You said he had a shitty reason for a vote/unvote. He thinks that LSB not reading his comment somehow makes LSB scum and that LSB wanting him to reveal his identity is scummy. I agree that his vote is stupid. That is all that you have shown. dumb does not always equal scum. My case on purple is that his interactions with LSB have no intention in proving his towniness or figuring out LSB's alignment. You certainly are misrepresenting the case intentionally or do not understand it.
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WHERE IS THE REAL RAYN
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Well in lxiii the moment I cast some misrepresentation you jumped all over it as a scum tell and wouldn't let down about it. What's changed that you are so compliant with Grack doing it now?
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On December 10 2013 22:43 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 22:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 22:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok then.
##Vote: Raynepelikoneet Are you scumclaiming? Rayn has a shitty vote (target someone for being dumb), when I explain to him that its shitty he makes no effort to convince me and instead tells other people I am scummy for shutting down his dumb case. I won't be surprised if he is scum and if he is town then he can go lose.
GRACK how is his case bad in any shape or form?
On December 10 2013 13:12 purpletrator wrote:
@xata
My initial read of LSB was that he was scum for throwing a shitty vote down and only following up when rayn pointed it out. He said how he never noticed my offer to reveal my identity, which I didnt think was townie mentality. If he'd seen it and just ignored it, then sure whatever hes just trolling. But to neglect to read the guy your voting, when his post was literally 1 above yours? That seemed messed up to me. On reading his PYP filter he does similar things where he misses key points in peoples posts. I dont want to go into detail because that game is ongoing.
This post alone could just be an entire case and it would be fine, I've highlighted the relevant bit for you (yes all of it). Purple states that his vote on LSB was because he was neglecting to read posts about the target he was on. He then justifies his unvote by saying that he has read an ongoing game - where he does NOT know LSB's alignment - and he does the same thing. What logical thought process is that?
TL:DR
He does not know LSB's alignment in PYP so how can he unvote based on that game unless he knows his alignment in this one.
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Oh, plu. Remember how xigxag brough up only me and xatalos for talking about vig's?
On December 10 2013 08:46 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:42 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 08:30 kushm4sta wrote:
ya like i said im lurk strating. have no opinions on anything so dont even bother to ask.
Alright then. If it's going to be like this, I don't want you alive at LYLO. Start doing something or die. ##Vote kushm4sta Can we appeal to the vig(s) to shoot kush and/or slam for us?
This guy was the first and was totally left out of being mentioned.
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On December 10 2013 22:55 kushm4sta wrote:
Maybe he does know LSB's alignment?? really inappropriate for anyone to talk about that game at all.
oh my baddd, either way, he shouldn't use that as a reference because it means nothing
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On December 10 2013 22:58 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 22:56 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 22:54 kushm4sta wrote:
Player List:
1. raynpelikoneet
2. VayneAuthority
3. Pandain
4. Spaghetticus
5. kushm4sta
6. Grackaroni
7. JarJarDrinks
8. Artanis[Xp]
9. LSB
10. Xatalos
11. Plutarch
12. Alakaslam
13. Corazon
14. xigxag
15. sidesprang
16. bumatlarge
17. Holyflare
18. purpletrator
have so much work to do so ill be back later tonight. plz dont spam too much! Why is Artanis[Xp] town? hes got a lot of decent scumhunting so far.
Ehhh, most of artanis' posts are him defending cora or attacking xata based on his "scum agenda", I don't think there has been much scum hunting tbh.
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Shouldn't artanis be trying to convince US on why we should be lynching Xatalos rather than constantly trying to convince Xatalos that he is scummy?
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I'm having real problems with bumatlarge right now.
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Ok nobody asked me to further my read on bum when I just posted so I'm going to do it for you.
Hey, HF, what did this mean?
On December 11 2013 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'm having real problems with bumatlarge right now.
Oh, thanks for pointing that out!
Well here's what I'm saying. Bumatlarge is a problem in our current environment. While the game is continuously developing with speech on people, reads on others and general scum hunting his attitude is not to participate in any of this for the majority of his first and second appearences in the thread. In fact, he urges AGAINST lynching people that aren't modkill territory.
On December 10 2013 13:30 bumatlarge wrote:
I say we lynch someone who is threatening to be modkilled. I've had that argument before and I still stand by that it's not the same as a no lynch.
Now, as a town mindset, I don't mind this if he kept it to himself and slightly pushed for a pandain lynch over time by gently easing us into it with constructive points on why so and so is better to keep in the game than a player who looks like he just got caught up IRL. However, he effectively disregards that pandain plays actively as all alignments by saying he doesn't care what pandain is capable of:
Show nested quote +Also do you think Pandain as mafia is type of a player that goes inactive for any other than non-game related reasons? If not, why exactly are you trying to shut down discussion? ?!?!?! I don't meta this early. Why would you think that last statement. Am I distracting you?
What benefit do these interactions bring anyone other than to antagonise or hide his alignment? People are curious as to why he wants to lynch off pandain - who is quite clearly not here - and his first response is to question why people are annoyed rather than actively discuss.
He is also quite happy to give out scum read BEFORE he has read anything to do with the players:
On December 11 2013 01:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Spaghetti man is pretty mafia. I'd lynch him if pandain was here. Kushmasta seems super silly. If you have to (/green) things this early that aren't questions to the host, you are playing badly.
##Vote Pandain
and then we all know he completely backtracked by saying "oh i read you now you aren't scum"... A person he had a TOP scum read on suddenly becomes not scum - spag over everyone else so far - just because he decided it was apt to read up on the person he called scum after he called him scum. Giving out reads on people based off idea's in your head is not a town mentality, or if it is, it is indicative of a LAZY town, something that bumatlarge surely wouldn't be as he was trying to instruct people how to play town at the start of the game.
I could do a play by play of his following posts but he actively neglects a player in this game (kush) by saying he won't respond to questions raised by him. That being said, this is the thing that stands out to me THE MOST....
Purple has not participated in this game really AT ALL, i'd lump him in with pandain in terms of activity except purple looks way more scummy. Bum dictates that he is not using meta at all in this game and actively persuades people to not do the same but then justifies purples reads on LSB when purple indeed used meta:
On December 11 2013 03:35 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 03:16 bumatlarge wrote:On December 11 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 03:01 bumatlarge wrote:On December 11 2013 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bumatlarge do you think Pandains posting / lack of posting is the most important thing there is going on in thread? Don't worry, I'm reading your posts  you to are a big question asker, but you seem to do that alot anyway. Put it this way. I'd like to enter Day 2 with everyone here except pandain. I'm not advocating a sort of no-lynch policy, but I don't think we have a good lynch. What is important in this thread at the moment is debatable. I want to keep the accusations streamlined, and I don't want 6 kushmastas giving me their green reads. The pressure levels are sweet. That's probably what's most important. Wait what? We are under 24h into the game and the only thing you want to talk about is someone who has not posted. Do you think people voting for him now does: 1) make him magically come here posting sooner? 2) leave us with more information than pressuring other people even if he does not come back and we lynch him? But he hasss posted. Information is overrated! He will come if we vote him. He is the missing corner piece to a fully fledged town! MEGAZORD ASSEMBLED! Also do you think Pandain as mafia is type of a player that goes inactive for any other than non-game related reasons? If not, why exactly are you trying to shut down discussion? ?!?!?! I don't meta this early. Why would you think that last statement. Am I distracting you? To me it seemed like you wanted to vote for an inactive, encouraged everyone else to vote for an inactive and therefore shut down any productive discussion until Pandain returns. Apparently this is not true (since you started talking about other things) so carry on, my post is no longer relevant. What do you think of my cases on Grackaroni and purpletrator? I believe pressure is possible outside of immediate voting and lynching. I am not attempting to derail any of your hard work. I actually liked purples reason for getting off LSB, but as LSB said, he should look at any other finishe game LSB has played, of which there is many. His reason for getting on LSB in the first place is not good. That whole interaction seemed like a joke up until that point. That said, let smurfs smurf. I'm all about not reading metas this game if you haven't noticed. I need to see more from grackaroni to be convinced of anything.
He liked purples reason for getting off LSB!?!??!?!?!?! (META META META META META) Not only was purples reasoning for getting off of LSB atrocious but he is then telling us that he accepts it as a logical reason based on meta (that he doesn't want us to use) for getting off LSB? Why is it that he can pick and choose when to accept meta for people like LSB and purple but not for people like pandain etc? There is no good reason other than to say he doesn't like a purple lynch. He knows purple is a smurf, purple has been bad this game. Let's leave him alone. That is NOT a logical conclusion to draw from the entirety of his filter. I don't like it at all.
but then....
On December 11 2013 04:45 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
bumatlarge in fact my case on purple was not purely based on how he get on / off LSB, it was based on the fact that not a single piece of their interaction could possibly share any light on LSB's alignment to him. It was a useless contribution that was in a crappy way made look like he was contributing something. I have to agree. The post he voted LSB with really sells it.
he agrees with rayn.................?
I want to hear his responses but my unvote/vote is heavily leaning towards him right now.
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