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Noooooooooooo. Pandainnnnn!
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On December 12 2013 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni are you thinking of playing this game at all or are you just going to... idk.. hang around?
I've got things I need to get done for tonight but you should expect more from me tomorrow.
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lol I wonder who it could be! 
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I will try my best to get a mafia killed today. My last final is in an hour.
Quick response to your case cora. I did give some reasoning on slam when talking to Pandain. Kush troll vote was pregame. I wanted to point out that I could see vayne bussing alakaslam for playing like an asshole in game rather than win with him on his team. Not really sure who you think I was worried about dying to want to leave an out to switch my vote when the top lynches were vayne/slam/spaghetti.
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On December 13 2013 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will not vote for anyone but Plutarch today. My case proves he is scum because he is using the same information to form a different read. I stopped listening other people last night.
Are you kidding me? I think you are genuinely upset so I'll try to reason with you. Plutarch didn't make some glaring contradiction. He's been one of the more pro-town people in the game, and it is dumb to lynch him for caring more about bad vote switches now than during day 1. That isn't nearly damning enough to make him scummier than other people, and I think there is an easy way of determining if he was shot or not.
Just from gaming the host I'd wager that either Plutarch was shot or the SK was shot. Otherwise HF would be listed as having been shot by both mafia and vigilante in the day post rather than just the vigilante. (regardless that the host claims afterward that mafia could also have shot HF). I would think that Mafia would want to RB the SK if they found him in order to protect themselves, thus If there is a SK shot tonight then Plutarch was shot last night.
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On December 14 2013 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well Grackaroni does not read the thread, that's for sure.
That's how far I have gotten to.
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On December 14 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually all the conclusions you reach into Grack are quite dumb.
they really aren't. Why would the host choose to only reveal that the vig shot HF if they could reveal that it was both the vig and mafia shots when they are specifically telling us what role shot who.
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On December 14 2013 04:58 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 04:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 14 2013 04:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I realized after that medic could have also saved but I had thought HF one of the more townie people day 1 so I figured he was just double shot since it is more likely then a save.
Simple probability OK, but it specifically said "Shot by an ASS-bullet". So basically, there were 2 deaths. One says that the person was vig-killed, the other says the person was SK-killed. Why would you not assume that a person killed by mafia would get a similiar cause of death? I don't particularly follow? this is like an alakaslam post, english please
This is what he is saying:
hosts tells us vig shot HF from the kill flavor
hosts tells us SK shot bum from the kill flavor.
Why wouldn't the hosts tell us who mafia shot? (I think they would.)
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On December 14 2013 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 05:01 Grackaroni wrote:On December 14 2013 04:58 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 14 2013 04:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 14 2013 04:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I realized after that medic could have also saved but I had thought HF one of the more townie people day 1 so I figured he was just double shot since it is more likely then a save.
Simple probability OK, but it specifically said "Shot by an ASS-bullet". So basically, there were 2 deaths. One says that the person was vig-killed, the other says the person was SK-killed. Why would you not assume that a person killed by mafia would get a similiar cause of death? I don't particularly follow? this is like an alakaslam post, english please This is what he is saying: hosts tells us vig shot HF from the kill flavor hosts tells us SK shot bum from the kill flavor. Why wouldn't the hosts tell us who mafia shot? (I think they would.) Well if you believe this you should be lynching JJD because he is lying then.
I don't see where he is lying.
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I keep getting the too bad to be scum reads. I just haven't gotten a chance to thoroughly analyze the thread yet 
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On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all. Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.
Could we please lynch this scum already?
Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is.
I don't like this post. Artanis played with Rayn earlier and saw that he got lynched as town for switching reads too much and Artanis is a good player. Can you explain why Rayn is scum for being careless and for other people carelessness is a townie trait? I want to see some better reasoning for why you believe Rayn is scum; otherwise, you are just slinging shit.
On December 13 2013 21:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not answering you anything because you are scum.
The post i am talking about proves it. I'm glad you know alignments for certain Rayn. I wish I had that kind of knowledge. Then again I'd be scum then.
lol like this. This is terrible.
I really don't like Artanis' game long push on Xatalos. It's all based on Xatalos being overaggressive and attacking everything that moves, which really isn't how I think scum would play.
@Artanis, can you give me your thoughts on Rayn's case on Purple from all the way back at the start of day1. I want to hear what you thought about that then.
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lol it's the Blazinghand. You've really fucked this game up so far Blazinghand. Get your shit together!
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Did you help Plutarch pretend to be you? I was starting to think you were him lol.
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On December 14 2013 11:30 Plutarch wrote:
Wish people were around.
I'm here but I'm on my phone.
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I haven't filtered him yet but he feels townie
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I have a town tell on Vayne that I don't want to reveal, but I feel it is pretty reliable.
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I think we need to lynch Xatalos. His response to you calling him out was bullshit.
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Here is why I think Xatalos is scum.
On December 14 2013 20:43 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 20:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I'm not sure LSB is a good lynch. Avoiding responsibility seems to be the only thing he's done. He's too blatantly talking about scum agenda's and what he thinks scum would do. It feels more like he's trying to place himself into the position of a scum player to catch them. Hypocrisy also isn't something I'd ascribe to scum players alone. Look at Cora. Called out players for not being allowed to be inactive, then said he'd be inactive in the same post. The case on LSB doesn't make him scum imo. I've already said what I think about Rayn and Xatalos, but I don't know what your view on Xatalos is Plutarch. Could you inform me? On December 14 2013 03:24 kushm4sta wrote:LOL plz plz do not stoke the fire that lies inside corazon's butt. We know he's town. He is a master troll. The best way to fight a troll is to ignore it. I came around to artanis being town. His push for xatalos seems really genuine, and I think it might be right. Still need to read xatalos' filter, but let me just say I am super unimpressed with his recent long post. If you look it actually contains deceptively little content. On December 14 2013 03:07 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2013 20:20 sidesprang wrote:
Ok was busy yesterday, had exam today. Read the thread and i'm now starting on filters.
What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things.
One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate.
So my thought is
VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia
VA = Town-> susp votes = town
Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of.
Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes.
I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first.
Not necessarily. Scum can make suspicious votes even if it's town vs town. Naturally the suspicious votes are even more suspicious if VA is scum. On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all. Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.
Could we please lynch this scum already?
Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is. These are pretty much non-points / things I have already explained (and Artanis clearly hasn't read). Some of the points are even townie for me (overall aggression, generating discussion, pressuring a lot). That's how I've basically always started the game as town (and recently as scum too -> pretty much null). Really quite bad reasons for wanting to lynch me #1. Incidentally, this "case" is a decent additional reason to lynch Artanis. How many would be up for lynching Artanis today? rayn, you at least mentioned that Artanis was scummy N1. Please, get off Plutarch and lynch a much scummier player (Plutarch isn't even scummy, and it puzzles me that you're going for him). On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!
bumatlarge the Civilian has been eaten by Sebastian! Holyflare's death doesn't give that much new info in itself, but the more important part is that it confirms Corazon as a (misguided) Vigi. Regardless, he's town, which makes Artanis look (very slightly) better and probably me/Plutarch worse. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on. (as a sidenote, from the shock that this Vigi shot caused, I probably won't be trusting Vigilantes to make sensible choices in the future). bum's death is a big mystery to me, since he did pretty much nothing all game. Does anyone have an idea about why the SK would shoot him? Maybe he thought bum was scum? In that case there might be some merit in going through who suspected bum. - - - - Other players who would be decent lynches are purple and LSB. - purple's vote wasn't that scummy, but he's been lurking and posting useless one-liners all game... and now we also know that Corazon is town, which makes purple slightly more likely scum - LSB has been throwing his vote around meaninglessly all game... hasn't truly pushed anything, just bandwagoned or thrown his vote here or there... and his Spag vote was actually about as scummy as that of Artanis VA, kush, Grackaroni and sidesprang aren't looking good either. VA has been just targeting the easiest lynches, kush happily lynched his own townread, Grackaroni's vote was pretty scummy too and sidesprang has barely posted enough to avoid being policy lynched. I think we should start from Artanis and continue from there. There are a lot of scummy players, but it should get easier when one is flipped. So yeah sorry for calling your case bad artanis. Glad you came around bb <3 Well, this makes me a bit more worried about LSB again. That's such a wishy-washy stance.
On December 14 2013 20:56 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 20:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 14 2013 20:43 Xatalos wrote:On December 14 2013 20:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I'm not sure LSB is a good lynch. Avoiding responsibility seems to be the only thing he's done. He's too blatantly talking about scum agenda's and what he thinks scum would do. It feels more like he's trying to place himself into the position of a scum player to catch them. Hypocrisy also isn't something I'd ascribe to scum players alone. Look at Cora. Called out players for not being allowed to be inactive, then said he'd be inactive in the same post. The case on LSB doesn't make him scum imo. I've already said what I think about Rayn and Xatalos, but I don't know what your view on Xatalos is Plutarch. Could you inform me? On December 14 2013 03:24 kushm4sta wrote:LOL plz plz do not stoke the fire that lies inside corazon's butt. We know he's town. He is a master troll. The best way to fight a troll is to ignore it. I came around to artanis being town. His push for xatalos seems really genuine, and I think it might be right. Still need to read xatalos' filter, but let me just say I am super unimpressed with his recent long post. If you look it actually contains deceptively little content. On December 14 2013 03:07 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2013 20:20 sidesprang wrote:
Ok was busy yesterday, had exam today. Read the thread and i'm now starting on filters.
What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things.
One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate.
So my thought is
VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia
VA = Town-> susp votes = town
Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of.
Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes.
I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first.
Not necessarily. Scum can make suspicious votes even if it's town vs town. Naturally the suspicious votes are even more suspicious if VA is scum. On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all. Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.
Could we please lynch this scum already?
Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is. These are pretty much non-points / things I have already explained (and Artanis clearly hasn't read). Some of the points are even townie for me (overall aggression, generating discussion, pressuring a lot). That's how I've basically always started the game as town (and recently as scum too -> pretty much null). Really quite bad reasons for wanting to lynch me #1. Incidentally, this "case" is a decent additional reason to lynch Artanis. How many would be up for lynching Artanis today? rayn, you at least mentioned that Artanis was scummy N1. Please, get off Plutarch and lynch a much scummier player (Plutarch isn't even scummy, and it puzzles me that you're going for him). On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!
bumatlarge the Civilian has been eaten by Sebastian! Holyflare's death doesn't give that much new info in itself, but the more important part is that it confirms Corazon as a (misguided) Vigi. Regardless, he's town, which makes Artanis look (very slightly) better and probably me/Plutarch worse. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on. (as a sidenote, from the shock that this Vigi shot caused, I probably won't be trusting Vigilantes to make sensible choices in the future). bum's death is a big mystery to me, since he did pretty much nothing all game. Does anyone have an idea about why the SK would shoot him? Maybe he thought bum was scum? In that case there might be some merit in going through who suspected bum. - - - - Other players who would be decent lynches are purple and LSB. - purple's vote wasn't that scummy, but he's been lurking and posting useless one-liners all game... and now we also know that Corazon is town, which makes purple slightly more likely scum - LSB has been throwing his vote around meaninglessly all game... hasn't truly pushed anything, just bandwagoned or thrown his vote here or there... and his Spag vote was actually about as scummy as that of Artanis VA, kush, Grackaroni and sidesprang aren't looking good either. VA has been just targeting the easiest lynches, kush happily lynched his own townread, Grackaroni's vote was pretty scummy too and sidesprang has barely posted enough to avoid being policy lynched. I think we should start from Artanis and continue from there. There are a lot of scummy players, but it should get easier when one is flipped. So yeah sorry for calling your case bad artanis. Glad you came around bb <3 Well, this makes me a bit more worried about LSB again. That's such a wishy-washy stance. How is it Wishy-Washy? I'm pretty clear in that I don't want to lynch him right now. Judging from that post, your stance was more like "eh, I don't really think he's a good lynch, but I'm not sure".
He says Artanis is being wishy-washy from that one sentence without even reading his entire post. He believes having wishy-washy stances is scummy.
On December 14 2013 21:14 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos your stance on LSB isn't much clearer than Artanis'.
Don't think of Artanis at all, do you or do you not want to lynch LSB? You said you thought he was a good lynch but in the same post you say you agree with his reads, so you don't want to lynch him. Which is it? I'd say he's lynchable, but not he best lynch. Maybe 60% chance of flipping scum. That's why I'm looking elsewhere at the moment.
He gives an even more wishy-washy stance than Artanis, but what concerns me more is that he is incapable of seeing why that could be scummy. I think he is smarter than that and is bullshitting.
On December 14 2013 21:20 Xatalos wrote:Lol. I can't be unsure about if someone is town/scum? You think I'm scum with LSB or what?
If Xatalos truly believes this makes other people scummy... why doesn't he believe it makes himself look scummy?
On December 14 2013 21:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 21:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the last page all you do is call Artanis out of his "wishy-washy" read on LSB when he's been very clear saying he does not think LSB is scum and then your read is wishy-washy as fuck. That was mostly because I was worried about an association between Artanis/LSB. Artanis is null on LSB, I'm leaning slightly scum. What's scummy about that? I agree I'm not confident about what LSB is, but that hardly makes me scum.
On December 14 2013 21:24 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You think he is scum but he is not the best lynch. Of course he is if you think he is scum. There are different levels of scummy. It's not that someone is 100% town or 100% scum. Why lynch the less scummy player over the more scummy? You don't make sense.
On December 14 2013 21:30 Xatalos wrote:
Waiting for an explanation, rayn...
On December 14 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It is not the fact you think he is more or less scummy than anyone else. You call out Artanis for his wishy washy read on LSB and you have the exact same kind of read on LSB. How does that make sense? As I said, I was mostly thinking of a possible association between Artanis/LSB (since the read seemed rather wishy-washy) and not that the read itself was scummy. As you could see from my earlier posts, I was quite undecided about LSB myself. How doesn't that make sense?
I just don't believe his responses. I think a town Xatalos would see that it was dumb of him to accuse Artanis for having a wishy-washy read when his own read was wishy-washy or a townie would say that it was actually kind of scummy of him to make such a wishy-washy read. He stands by his prior statement that Artanis doing that was scummy and refuses to recognize that people could see him as scummy for the same reason.
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I think scum is more concerned with justifying their bullshit and making themselves appear consistent.
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Artanis I asked you questions earlier and you never answered them.
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