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On December 10 2013 16:25 xigxag wrote:
I think neither Corazon or Xatalos are good lynches. Which is why I mentioned neither of them.
Cor's first post was atrocious, you'll have no arguments from me on that front. His follow up as been too attention grabbing for me to desire to vote him on day one. He is worth pressuring though and I need to understand him more to get a real read on him which I would be willing to commit to.
Xatalos pooped on everyone in a dumb way early in the game. Alienating that many players as scum early on is unwise, he loses too much support for his lynch should he do that. It makes me uncomfortable to lynch him day one. I still need to know more of course but for now I find him non lynchable, Also there is a thing about him which suggests non-scum. I haven't decided if it suggests Sebastian the crab or town but it does suggest non-town.
As of this moment I have not yet found a player I am willing to lynch. You can tell by the way my vote has not yet fallen on anyone.
I think this quote displays my intentions quite well. Interchangeable with your name of course.
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He is definitely not new. What part of his "kush" read did he gather from being new?
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It just seemed like pulling a read on kush who has 4 or so posts would come from someone who knows him IMO. Your case on purple is good, he looked sheepish all game and really hasn't contributed anything at all. I was also most confused how he had a read on how LSB plays as both alignments when LSB had not flipped in that game yet....
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rayn can't remember if you were around have you mentioned artanis yet?
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What are your reasons why?
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He downplays cora's intentions A LOT compared to Xant who is doing pretty much the same thing - in a different way - but apparently that is scummy whereas cora isn't.
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I'm partially blinded by b2b cora rage influencing my opinion at this moment
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I'm not sure I follow you in regards to pushing "scum agendas". It's quite simple for a person to not do anything other than their normal town play as scum on day 1. Why would scum be pushing "agendas" so brazenly? The only reason they would need to conform to some agenda would be to get votes off of a person if it was their scum buddy - in this case - it would be off of cora who he is attacking.
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On December 10 2013 19:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I hunt scum based on finding scum reasoning. I didn't find it with Cora, but I did find it with Xata. Came onto new insights after being questioned. Any other questions?
Every point I made on cora in my filter is fueled by a scum agenda so I see no reason why you would not investigate/discuss it further and then move onto Xatalos instead.
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On December 10 2013 20:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 19:57 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 19:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 19:53 Holyflare wrote:
Dat backtracking I hunt scum based on finding scum reasoning. I didn't find it with Cora, but I did find it with Xata. Came onto new insights after being questioned. Any other questions? Every point I made on cora in my filter is fueled by a scum agenda so I see no reason why you would not investigate/discuss it further and then move onto Xatalos instead. Because Cora's initial post made me think he was unlikely to be scum and skimming through your post I didn't find anything that negated that. I needed to think about the original post again, apparently. Plutarch, I'll get back to you after breakfast and a shower.
So in light of your new findings, re-read everything I said objectively and paint me the picture of cora's alignment from it.
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On December 10 2013 20:07 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 13:35 LSB wrote:General comments: purpletrator is being incredibly defensive and showing off as paranoid to me xatalos has been powerplaying quite hard day 1, and typically lynches of major town voices go badly day 1. Push PostPersonally I think the most important post so far is this On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.
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About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.
He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.
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@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.
I really really do not like this post as an entry post: A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora. B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet? C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything. Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you? I've already mentioned how I felt the initial read of Cora was incredibly forced. This can easily attributed to Holyflare's overeagerness. What is important to keep an eye out are the bandwagoners. Or the "bait and switch" approach. Make a flimsy case, wait for someone to quickly jump on your plan, and finger the bandwagoner as mafia. The logic behind this is that very few townies would be willing to push a bad lynch, but a mafia would be willing to push many lynches on greenies regarless of the contents of the lynches. On December 10 2013 11:13 sidesprang wrote:On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.
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About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.
He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.
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@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.
I really really do not like this post as an entry post: A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora. B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet? C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything. Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you? A) I might be blind but I dont see you mention everything I mentioned, but if I still find it scummy would I not be allowed to say it ? B) I don't see a reason for voting anyone yet, he is deffo looking scummy but It's still early in D1. C) The point about Xatalos was a plea to the Town that people should rather focus on more quality over quantity when posting. Can I not do that in a non-inquisitive manner? I said I just used him as an example. About Xatalos, I deffo dont like his opening. He goes after Cora and Kush which I think its fine, but also goes after Slam and Spag which had barely spoken and had not said anything scummy. So Artanis evaluation of him fits nicely, tho I wont say he is mafia because of it. He might just do it to start discussion, as he says he likes all the action happning here. I dont and will keep an eye on him. And his defence was kinda just meta, "saying that is how he plays", and I dont know the guy. Might be true might not be. I dont like meta defences and its another thing that will make me keep an eye on him. Indeed he continues his bandwagony attitude. Although there have only been two posts from him, bait and switch has a 100% success rate (n = 1), and I might as well go with it. I am seriously concerned about his willingness to support lynches without contributing much personal insights. ##unvote##Vote; sidesprang Okay I see I'm off to a rocky start. You might say I'm bandwagoning because I did not have any insight that I came up with myself, but it was the only read I had. Would you rather I stay silent? And I'm not willing to push for a lynch on Cora and Xatalos, I thought I made it clear I did in no way find them scummy enough to vote on yet. I dont like to fling my vote around without justification, and if I did so it would only make me look scummy. And for the second post I dont really see how you can say im bandwagoning, I was asked a question and I answered, I had no intentions of going after Xatalos at all. And now that grack and rayn basically said it was normal play for it. I will just assume that he inteded to create some discussion.
You haven't given us any reasons as to why you aren't going to push them (apart fron xatalos). You displayed your reads on cora and found him worth checking into more. How has that now developed to not wanting to lynch at all and why are you not willing to push them for more information?
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koshi never makes this much sense
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On December 10 2013 20:24 sidesprang wrote:
If you read the rest of post I say I dont like to vote without justification and I have not looked into cora anything more since post nr2 (writting right before I went to bed), and post 3 was right 1h after I woke up. So I am still not any more or less willing to push for a lynch on cora than I was yesterday.
Go read him now and respond when you have done so.
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I don't mind if you get more confused because we're quite clearly just having fun for a few posts.
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