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On December 10 2013 15:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
not to mention that in TL Noire before kush got replaced out he was playing this lurky playstyle thing and his slot was scum
On December 10 2013 16:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
I will clarify the ## thing, as it's a case of timeline
Noire was played, kush did his thing etc
## was played after it, which is the game that kush decided to stop posting angrily and take it easy
So that is why comparing his playstyle to pre- ## and post ## is not a good idea atm
I just cannot reconcile these two thoughts with each other. They do not align in any way. One says that because of Noir Kush's play here could be scum, the second says that Noir was before ## and therefore cannot be applied to this game. The timeline thing would be fine if Vayne had not directed me towards Noir himself.
Vayne's suggestion of looking at Kush's meta suggests to me that it is his goal to appear to be an active participant in this game while not in fact working towards a correct scum lynch. His attempt to dissuade my town read on kush suggests that if Vayne is scum kush is not.
I find it impossible for both of the above posts to come from the same townie thinking in the same way.
##Vote: VayneAuthority
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On December 10 2013 16:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 16:53 xigxag wrote:On December 10 2013 16:51 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing any suggesting, I'm questioning your thought process. Nothing that you just stated in regards to Xant and Cora has been said in the thread at all so I don't think you understand my confusion. To downplay something as "embarrassing" when someone is trying to discern information from someone else is funny though. LSB already said it: both talky muchy neither swingy soony. Clear? That is all which was useful that I had to say about them. So why do you insinuate that you don't talk about anything unless it is vital to the thread that hasn't been said already but then you raise points about slam that he shouldn't be lynched and needs to be looked at. Why Slam over anyone else and how does that fit into this playstyle that you have created for yourself? He has been talked about quite a bit after all.
Alakaslam referenced one of my favorite pieces of writing. I referenced it back to him. There you have it. The whole thing.
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On December 10 2013 17:06 Plutarch wrote:
Why do you have a town read on me Xigxag? It is natural as town to feel like the person attacking you is scum. After all, you know you are town and this person is wrong and attacking you. And yet you have given me a town read without justification. What reasoning can you provide for yet another town read?
Your play, you are niggling over and over on a thing that doesn't feel right to you. You are self confident in a non-scum way "lol look at him squirm" since inciting a big fight with a townie is counter productive to scum agenda and I am a big fan of your answer when I asked you why you didn't build up a case you didn't flounder you simply stated that you didn't know what was right, only what was wrong. It suggested someone who was objectively reading cases and, if they had an issue with that case, making the issue known. All in all it seems likely that you are town. If you are scum you are one of the top scum players I've ever seen. So I'm going to assume that ockham had it right and you are town.
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On December 10 2013 17:23 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 17:12 xigxag wrote:On December 10 2013 17:06 Plutarch wrote:
Why do you have a town read on me Xigxag? It is natural as town to feel like the person attacking you is scum. After all, you know you are town and this person is wrong and attacking you. And yet you have given me a town read without justification. What reasoning can you provide for yet another town read? Your play, you are niggling over and over on a thing that doesn't feel right to you. You are self confident in a non-scum way "lol look at him squirm" since inciting a big fight with a townie is counter productive to scum agenda and I am a big fan of your answer when I asked you why you didn't build up a case you didn't flounder you simply stated that you didn't know what was right, only what was wrong. It suggested someone who was objectively reading cases and, if they had an issue with that case, making the issue known. All in all it seems likely that you are town. If you are scum you are one of the top scum players I've ever seen. So I'm going to assume that ockham had it right and you are town. I don't understand. How can you justify this read so well and then do the complete opposite for the kush read. For the record. This is a good read. That kush read was awful. But this post seems awfully townie so I think I will unvote for now. ##unvoteIf you could let me know if you are a smurf or not that would be helpful.
Whether or not you agree with me the kush read is as well thought out and supported by the facts *
Rayn the Pelican: what is it about Purple's particular lack of contribution that makes him a better lynch than say the pasta duo of beefaroni and spaghetti
*unless Kush flips mafia in which case I was totes trolling with that read because I am always right. Even when I'm not.
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On December 10 2013 17:38 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 17:28 xigxag wrote:On December 10 2013 17:23 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 17:12 xigxag wrote:On December 10 2013 17:06 Plutarch wrote:
Why do you have a town read on me Xigxag? It is natural as town to feel like the person attacking you is scum. After all, you know you are town and this person is wrong and attacking you. And yet you have given me a town read without justification. What reasoning can you provide for yet another town read? Your play, you are niggling over and over on a thing that doesn't feel right to you. You are self confident in a non-scum way "lol look at him squirm" since inciting a big fight with a townie is counter productive to scum agenda and I am a big fan of your answer when I asked you why you didn't build up a case you didn't flounder you simply stated that you didn't know what was right, only what was wrong. It suggested someone who was objectively reading cases and, if they had an issue with that case, making the issue known. All in all it seems likely that you are town. If you are scum you are one of the top scum players I've ever seen. So I'm going to assume that ockham had it right and you are town. I don't understand. How can you justify this read so well and then do the complete opposite for the kush read. For the record. This is a good read. That kush read was awful. But this post seems awfully townie so I think I will unvote for now. ##unvoteIf you could let me know if you are a smurf or not that would be helpful. Whether or not you agree with me the kush read is as well thought out and supported by the facts *Rayn the Pelican: what is it about Purple's particular lack of contribution that makes him a better lynch than say the pasta duo of beefaroni and spaghetti *unless Kush flips mafia in which case I was totes trolling with that read because I am always right. Even when I'm not. This is wrong. Absolutely and complete. Now you seem scummy again.
do we have to dance the dance again? we disagree on kush. I have him right now as probable town look at him again d2, I don't believe he is getting lynched he sure isn't getting nightkilled so why don't we move on and readdress this later.
Mr Pelican: I find your poorly formatted case decently persuasive. I am not opposed to the purple lynch.
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I'm out
Likely scum so far
Holyflare-he was tossing shit on me while I was a target of choice and now that I'm totes town he has fucked off and hidden Vayne-for what I said already
Purple-for what The Pelican just said
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I DO NOT TRUST HIS SMILIES! Never trust smilies.
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I return much later than anticipated. Reading and catching up. Thoughts will be posted. Cases will be made. I will not be ashamed of my play.
Blame my absence on the alcohol.
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VayneAuthority
On December 10 2013 09:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
I would rather enjoy myself and lose then not enjoy it, hence why I am voting you alakaslam, scum or not. I do not care about lynching scum if im not having fun in the first place, that comes first.
The above post reads as a scum attempt to create a mislynch which will not reflect back onto that scum.
On December 10 2013 11:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
what word did you mean to write?
and yea the first thing I thought of while reading that sidesprang post is "lol going to keep an eye on him after I get rid of the less desirables"
This posts sets up a follow up lynch on a weak player. I do not believe that an experienced mafia player would assume that all the scum are weak and therefore would not only attack weak players. A scum however can lynch only weak players and shoot the strong ones.
On December 10 2013 12:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
I think 3 of the 4 scum has posted, one is still lurking
I am putting this post in not because I think it shows town or scum mindset but because I have no idea what it means or why it was posted. If anyone Vayne or otherwise, can explain it to me I'd be happy with that.
Onto the thing which first caught my attention from Vayne, my interactions with him where he sent me on a wild goose case into a filter which he followed up by totally disregarding Kush's play from the filter he sent me to read.
On December 10 2013 15:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
not to mention that in TL Noire before kush got replaced out he was playing this lurky playstyle thing and his slot was scum
On December 10 2013 16:13 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 16:03 xigxag wrote:On December 10 2013 15:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
not to mention that in TL Noire before kush got replaced out he was playing this lurky playstyle thing and his slot was scum Like these high quality posts which were all attempts at looking like he was doing something. And not at all similar to how he has been posting this game? On September 21 2013 11:35 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck it makes me really mad when people policy vote me! like it makes me want to troll just to spite them. On September 21 2013 12:39 kushm4sta wrote:On September 21 2013 12:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 12:28 kushm4sta wrote:
um by scumhunting as a team you mean having a conversation between the two of you that no one else wants to read? if so please dont Just make the meta case and stfu before you do so. how the fuck do i make a case on someone when it's like an hour into the game?? On September 22 2013 11:29 kushm4sta wrote:
also when is the lynch
Noire was before ##. In Noire he was still angry. During the course of the ## game he took a step back and posts much more docile now.
On December 10 2013 16:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
I will clarify the ## thing, as it's a case of timeline
Noire was played, kush did his thing etc
## was played after it, which is the game that kush decided to stop posting angrily and take it easy
So that is why comparing his playstyle to pre- ## and post ## is not a good idea atm
This explanation rings false. I looked into ## mafia and Kush played there as a smurf. Of course he was playing differently than the usual way that he plays. Ins't that the purpose of playing as a smurf? To disregard the meta that Vayne himself brought up suggests to me that Vayne is scum and Kush is town. I defended Kush, an easy mislynch, for little to no reason which Vayne could understand so he assumed it would be easy to discredit my town read and did so with the use of meta. Vayne's meta use which he did not believe in can not come form a townie. A town player uses meta to substantiate reads, not justify them.
At this point I hope you can see why I believe that Vayne is scum. He is pushing weak or non-existent reads to lynch trolly players who are. statistically speaking, probably town. He is discrediting town reads on those players with meta he does not believe is valid. He is trying to justify lynches not find scum.
Vayne uses his focus on Alak to ignore all other people in the game. He does not submit opinions on anyone but the two easily lynchable trolls. And his opinion on BOTH is scum. Vayne is pushing for lynches, but not scum lynches. He is attacking two players who will not go away for a while, will never be nightkilled and who, if they flip town, he can simply say "woops, they looked scummy" without commenting on anything else in the game.
On December 12 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not ridiculous at all if you consider how I play mafia. I KILL these kind of players at night because I find it more enjoyable to play with people that can actually scumhunt and try to trick them. Between that and my blue kill sniping I don't see how it is farfetch'd at all.
Based on my reading of ## this is supported. And Holyflare flipped doc. Not much of a point but a bit of one.
Even when Vayne finally reads someone besides Alak it is Spag, based on Alak,
On December 12 2013 02:33 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like. Fair enough, just wanted to be sure what you meant. Are you suggesting Spaghetticus is town? Yea he was one of the first to want to lynch Slam so I have him as town until further notice.
this read is suggestive in that it was correct and based on an astoundingly lacking reasoning. Even if Vayne was town and beliieved that all townies should want to lynch Alak day one why should he assume that Spag was a player good enough to recognize that? Why shouldn't Spag be scum looking to secure a decent mislynch. Vayne knows that no one/not many people play like him and Spag has never been the same as him in the past so why should Spag be town read for this? He shouldn't, and yet he is town read. Vayne is scum.
On December 13 2013 06:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
that's what I was trying to figure out. it doesn't specify what the zerg uses so he may have been shot by the vig and mafia since we have no roleblocker.
!!!!!!
We have/had a doc. But Vayne Knows that Holy was shot by scum. The only reason to assume that is because you know where the scum shot went. Vayne is scum.
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My read on Coag-sama:
On December 12 2013 15:18 Coagulation wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/l9chR3K.png)
based on the meta displayed in the ongoing PYP game which was the first scum game I could find of his this seems to be true.
so far since I began my reread:
Vayne
Coag
more to follow
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On December 13 2013 06:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 06:34 Xatalos wrote:
I do have to agree on the point that it's not right to insult mentally ill, but it's hardly grounds for a policy lynch. I've got plenty of friends that are mentally ill. It's pretty equal to discriminating on sexual orientation and all that. Worst part of it is that he's unwilling to apologize over it. Fuck that attitude.
my best friend is black, you can't use that kind of language.
...get over it and read Vayne on his posts. Not his insulting use of the word downs.
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Barney the purple dinosaur
On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Worst post in thread. ##Vote: purpletrator Kusplain? Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote. Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow. Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok? You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"? To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:Missed this post On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Ya, sure. Reveal please! It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch. ##Vote: LSB
Barney's inability to recognize the joke in LSB's post worries me. The self conscious way he reacts to an early throw away vote suggests scum to me. No townie reads LSB's post and thinks "oh no! He is going to lynch me for being a smurf! Must OMGus!"
On December 10 2013 07:37 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:29 LSB wrote:Btw for those of you who claim that every game I don't have a plan in I'm a scum, here's a plan Notice this post On December 10 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
As the OP states "possible roles";
Is every role guaranteed to be in a game?
Can there be more than 1 of any role?
Is the SK guaranteed to be in the game? Notice the lack of millers. This setup is vulnerable to the follow the DT plan where the DT claims and the medics heal him every night. Since flips are open, we just need to make sure we don't accidentally lynch our DT and medic and hypothetically speaking we will have a massive advantage later on in this game where follow the DT shines. Btw DT/Medic plz don't claim. Unless you are about to be lynched. Show nested quote +Jim Raynor (Roleblocker)
-You're not a Zerg, but you sure as hell hate the UED. Or actually you don't, but Kerrigan is a master at pussywhipping, so you just tag along with her shenanigans and think (because you're told to) you hate the UED.
Once per night you can silence a player since you're human looking enough to convince them to put the gun/medicgun/magnifying glass down. [/plan] If we lynch a roleblocker we can look at playing follow the cop I guess
I do really like this post in some ways while I don't like it in others.
bullet points
good things:
1 shutting down bad plans
2 simplicity, doesn't try to grab town cred with this post
bad things:
1. shuts down a plan based on a possible scum role
2. is very aware of scum PRs.
Barney is either well versed in OP reading or is scum. Your guess is as good as mine.
On December 10 2013 08:46 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:42 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 08:30 kushm4sta wrote:
ya like i said im lurk strating. have no opinions on anything so dont even bother to ask.
Alright then. If it's going to be like this, I don't want you alive at LYLO. Start doing something or die. ##Vote kushm4sta Can we appeal to the vig(s) to shoot kush and/or slam for us?
missed this on my first read through. I hate hate hate hate hate hate this play. Vigis are better than this. I'd think. Though I'd prefer either of the above players be gone over our doc. Whatever. Without solid reasons for either why they are scum or why town is better off without them all Barney does is try to direct town KP towards, probable, townies over it being directed at scum.
On December 10 2013 08:55 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:53 Xatalos wrote:
By the way, purple, your filter is pretty lackluster so far. What have you been doing for all this time? Actively lurking? i went to look at LSB's old games, only actually looked at PYP which is still ongoing and decided I'd seen enough to unvote him.
What the shit is this? Why look at a game from an un-flipped player? Reading alignments from that game is totally useless unless the player is dead in said game in which case the read is still tenuous. Why even bring this up in thread? No reason at all. Therefore scummy.
On December 10 2013 13:47 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 13:38 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:34 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 13:21 Plutarch wrote:Purple I would like you to explain the issue you had with my statement clearly. What is lackluster about stating you would rather lynch scum than lurkers in the context of a conversation about lurker policy? On December 10 2013 06:33 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:30 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 06:27 purpletrator wrote:
I am a civilian. To my great dismay, my blood is not purple.
Plutarch, what distinguishes "scum" from "coin-flip"? I'd assume he means that lurker = coin-flip. Did you ask merely out of curiosity or for what reason? It was a pretty lackluster statement to make. I want to know if there was any meat to the meaning behind "coin-flip", because its an empty phrase, much like things like WIFOM and scumslip. Empty buzzwords that don't actually find scum but look like you want to find them. It wasnt explicit that you equated coinflip to lurker. It was also a crock of shit in the sense that you cant know with certainty scum vs coinflip. If you want to call it policy, do that. It was pretty clear. I also believe you can know scum with such a high probability that it is almost certain, so it really isn't a crock of shit. Regardless I don't see the point in attacking that post at all. What were you trying to gain from doing so? Well since you understood your own post, of course you wont see a point to attacking it. I think it was fake, I just dont know if it was fake or fake
this post! This post says nothing! It accuses while it backtracks. If Barney thought that Plutarch was scum he could act on that. If he thought Plu was town he could act on that. But he does neither. He simply says that the post is a lie. Barney's post is a lie, it has no town motivation. There is no reason to post this except to appear as if you are thinking about the game. The above post is a total waste of space. An IGMEOY with added fluff.
On December 12 2013 02:56 purpletrator wrote:
So kush you wont tell me why you had/have me as town?
I do like this post. I like a player who niggles at the little things that don't make sense even when those little things benefit the player. This is a more minor point because it is in relation to Kush and not someone whose opinion would be valued by others but it does provide some suggestion of a townie dinosaur.
On December 12 2013 03:03 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 03:00 Corazon wrote:
To whomever asked: yes I have notes until page 21. I've been too busy to take notes since then. I will probably pick up with the notes starting D2. Do you want to see them? There are only 3 or so major points in them. One on Spag, one on purple, and one on Vayne It was me, and it was because you'd mentioned it then said you'd make a case on Xata: Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote:
I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case. I find it incredibly odd that Xata isnt in your notes
This too suggests town. An insignificant detail which is being niggled at for all the right reasons.
On December 12 2013 05:18 purpletrator wrote:
cora better have notes....
##Unvote: Corazon
##Vote: Spaghetticus
...I was so ready to say that this dino was a town dino. Now I'm not sure. Although it seems that Cora was no longer a possible lynch. So I can get behind Purple being probably town.
so far since I began my reread:
Vayne
Coag
purpletrator
Corazon - vig
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##vote vayne
I am avoiding a possible mod kill with this vote. Actual analysis will follow when I return from work.
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xatalos would be my read of xat by the way. I see some votes on him. He seemed like town or sk, not scum from earlier readong. Just my 2c.
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