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On December 10 2013 13:47 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 13:38 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:34 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 13:21 Plutarch wrote:Purple I would like you to explain the issue you had with my statement clearly. What is lackluster about stating you would rather lynch scum than lurkers in the context of a conversation about lurker policy? On December 10 2013 06:33 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:30 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 06:27 purpletrator wrote: I am a civilian. To my great dismay, my blood is not purple.
Plutarch, what distinguishes "scum" from "coin-flip"? I'd assume he means that lurker = coin-flip. Did you ask merely out of curiosity or for what reason? It was a pretty lackluster statement to make. I want to know if there was any meat to the meaning behind "coin-flip", because its an empty phrase, much like things like WIFOM and scumslip. Empty buzzwords that don't actually find scum but look like you want to find them. It wasnt explicit that you equated coinflip to lurker. It was also a crock of shit in the sense that you cant know with certainty scum vs coinflip. If you want to call it policy, do that. It was pretty clear. I also believe you can know scum with such a high probability that it is almost certain, so it really isn't a crock of shit. Regardless I don't see the point in attacking that post at all. What were you trying to gain from doing so? Well since you understood your own post, of course you wont see a point to attacking it. I think it was fake, I just dont know if it was fake or fake
How was it fake? What was fake about it? You can't just call something fake with no explanation
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It is the start of day one. How confident can you expect him to be? I would be more worried if he was calling someone scum 100% at this point.
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On December 10 2013 14:50 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 14:46 bumatlarge wrote:On December 10 2013 14:43 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 14:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 10 2013 08:32 Spaghetticus wrote: I am not shifting my vote until slam does something useful to make up for his spam. I'm giving him until 6pm my time (7.5 hours from now) to do so or my vote is not changing at all regardless of anything that comes afterwards.
Pressure? yes. Policy? yes. Serious? yes. Very scummy post. You're actually saying that you may sit on your vote regardless of what happens in the thread? Basically giving yourself an built-in excuse to make your vote not matter (and unable to be analyzed) if slam isn't one of the leading wagons? Ice is static, water flows, and fire grows, moves, and spreads. Are you quoting avatar? No. Ice- Ice is not our friend. Ice is too cold. We seek warmth, indeed I seek the desert on this voyage. Please understand, my friends, I shut up when you ask. I will also try to consolidate. But I am impatient, I have energy, I want to see Rayne... I failed him, I wanna understand him. Unless he is stuck in ice...
Please stop shit posting.
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On December 10 2013 15:36 xigxag wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 09:31 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 09:27 Spaghetticus wrote: We must pool our denunciations to finally overthrow the troll overlord. Slam/kush can get shot later if needs be (already confirmed we definitely have vig's) because you can't actually determine alignment from trolling/lurking/playing their own game like they are doing. As for you, you have 2 pages of filter. The first half of page 1 is questioning people. Did you get any reads based off of their answers/posting style or not? The rest of your page and a half are all slamcentric. I understand that you are in a not so good mood but what have you determined about the current state of affairs? I wanted this in another post. A message to Holyflare and Xatalos: do not direct vig shots which you neither know exist nor know how to direct. You have both entered onto my radar for your directives and, to any vigis which may exist please do not listen to the above named posters. I have an early town read on kush and am interested in Alak but do not believe either is a good shot at this time in the game.
How do you have a town read on kush? Explanation please.
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Its somewhat convoluted but the basics are as follows: 1) kush is acting in such a way which reduces his thread power later in the game 2) a potential late game town player wants some power 3) if kush is town he is a potential late game town player 4) kush is not town playing for the late game 5) kush is not town playing for the early game 6) nothing kush does benefits him if he is town 7) kush is scum
You noticing something here?
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Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all.
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On December 10 2013 15:53 xigxag wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 15:49 Plutarch wrote: Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all. Or I am better than you. I have the read and you have not refuted it. Doubtful.
What I am saying is that you have provided justification that kush is town and the entire reasoning that you provided can be used to justify both a town and a scum kush, thus, your justification is flawed and every reason you stated for kush to be town is in fact a null tell.
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Basically what you are saying is that even though your reasoning is flawed and you cannot provide better reasoning, your reasoning for him being town is good. And my reasoning for him being null is bad. Yet you cannot state why other than mentioning some non-specific facts of the game.
I am more than aware of the differences in a scum and town mindset and I am telling you that there is no way you can tell. Do I think he is scum? I don't know. Do I think he is town? I don't know. And neither should you.
Further, I have played in many games with kush and I can tell you that he is more than capable of this style of play as both alignments.
What is odd though, is that you are defending a town read that is at best a large stretch to the hilt. And time and again people who provide town reads that I cant quite understand and who aren't able to provide solid reasons for those reads are scum.
This kush read is very scummy.
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That was directed at xigxag
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On December 10 2013 16:25 xigxag wrote: I think neither Corazon or Xatalos are good lynches. Which is why I mentioned neither of them.
Cor's first post was atrocious, you'll have no arguments from me on that front. His follow up as been too attention grabbing for me to desire to vote him on day one. He is worth pressuring though and I need to understand him more to get a real read on him which I would be willing to commit to.
Xatalos pooped on everyone in a dumb way early in the game. Alienating that many players as scum early on is unwise, he loses too much support for his lynch should he do that. It makes me uncomfortable to lynch him day one. I still need to know more of course but for now I find him non lynchable, Also there is a thing about him which suggests non-scum. I haven't decided if it suggests Sebastian the crab or town but it does suggest non-town.
As of this moment I have not yet found a player I am willing to lynch. You can tell by the way my vote has not yet fallen on anyone.
Basically XigXag is saying he doesn't think Xatalos or Cora are good lynches then goes on to agree that cora was scummy and list scummy things about both. But makes sure he doesn't commit to a read.
Oh and he doesn't know who he wants to lynch yet. Basically the scummiest most wishy-washy post in existence.
In fact the only non wishy-washy thing he has posted is an inexplicable town read on kush that he hard defends based off absolutely nothing. Which in itself is scummy.
Xigxag is scum.
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On December 10 2013 16:31 xigxag wrote: Can you explain to me why you shut down the case from Cor on Xatalos but did not provide a counter read. All you did was tear it down, why?
I don't like bad cases. Just because I tear down a bad case doesn't require me to replace it with something.
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On December 10 2013 16:37 xigxag wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 16:34 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 16:25 xigxag wrote: I think neither Corazon or Xatalos are good lynches. Which is why I mentioned neither of them.
Cor's first post was atrocious, you'll have no arguments from me on that front. His follow up as been too attention grabbing for me to desire to vote him on day one. He is worth pressuring though and I need to understand him more to get a real read on him which I would be willing to commit to.
Xatalos pooped on everyone in a dumb way early in the game. Alienating that many players as scum early on is unwise, he loses too much support for his lynch should he do that. It makes me uncomfortable to lynch him day one. I still need to know more of course but for now I find him non lynchable, Also there is a thing about him which suggests non-scum. I haven't decided if it suggests Sebastian the crab or town but it does suggest non-town.
As of this moment I have not yet found a player I am willing to lynch. You can tell by the way my vote has not yet fallen on anyone. Basically XigXag is saying he doesn't think Xatalos or Cora are good lynches then goes on to agree that cora was scummy and list scummy things about both. But makes sure he doesn't commit to a read. Oh and he doesn't know who he wants to lynch yet. Basically the scummiest most wishy-washy post in existence. In fact the only non wishy-washy thing he has posted is an inexplicable town read on kush that he hard defends based off absolutely nothing. Which in itself is scummy. Xigxag is scum. yes, yes. Very nice. You don't like me. I get it.
It's nothing personal. Just my job to find scum. And you happen to be scum.
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On December 10 2013 16:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 16:32 xigxag wrote:On December 10 2013 16:29 Holyflare wrote: So, then what do you think on the points that I/LSB raised on sidesprang's introduction to the thread?
Also, just because they are not good lynches does not mean you can't elaborate on your reads on them, especially as they were both mentioned on your entry and are part of current events. You've given the information now so why was it that it needed to be dug for rather than your free kush town read and your need to look at alak more read? I found them unimportant. Noting I had to say had been unsaid by the thread on the subjects of those two players. Things I had to say on Kush had been left unsaid. So you found the two players who have the most votes in the game at the moment unimportant to comment on at all? Are you just intentionally wanting to play oblivious to current events or what? You also mention in your entry post that Slam was "needed to be looked at more" and now you discredit that he could actually be scum too? Why is lynching slam not an attempt to lynch scum?
Maybe because he knows alignments?
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On December 10 2013 16:41 xigxag wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 16:38 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 16:37 xigxag wrote:On December 10 2013 16:34 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 16:25 xigxag wrote: I think neither Corazon or Xatalos are good lynches. Which is why I mentioned neither of them.
Cor's first post was atrocious, you'll have no arguments from me on that front. His follow up as been too attention grabbing for me to desire to vote him on day one. He is worth pressuring though and I need to understand him more to get a real read on him which I would be willing to commit to.
Xatalos pooped on everyone in a dumb way early in the game. Alienating that many players as scum early on is unwise, he loses too much support for his lynch should he do that. It makes me uncomfortable to lynch him day one. I still need to know more of course but for now I find him non lynchable, Also there is a thing about him which suggests non-scum. I haven't decided if it suggests Sebastian the crab or town but it does suggest non-town.
As of this moment I have not yet found a player I am willing to lynch. You can tell by the way my vote has not yet fallen on anyone. Basically XigXag is saying he doesn't think Xatalos or Cora are good lynches then goes on to agree that cora was scummy and list scummy things about both. But makes sure he doesn't commit to a read. Oh and he doesn't know who he wants to lynch yet. Basically the scummiest most wishy-washy post in existence. In fact the only non wishy-washy thing he has posted is an inexplicable town read on kush that he hard defends based off absolutely nothing. Which in itself is scummy. Xigxag is scum. yes, yes. Very nice. You don't like me. I get it. It's nothing personal. Just my job to find scum. And you happen to be scum. Both my role pm and I disagree with you. Talk to me about Vayne. He is advocating a policy lynch, has attempted to appear active and yet has not done anything with that activity. He is suggesting I read another thread and when I did he says that thread is invalid due to yet another thread.
No. He is not advocating a policy lynch. He is saying if we don't have a good lynch we should lynch alakaslam cause he is posting like shit. And I agree with him.
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Is xigxag new or a smurf?
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Why do you have a town read on me Xigxag? It is natural as town to feel like the person attacking you is scum. After all, you know you are town and this person is wrong and attacking you. And yet you have given me a town read without justification. What reasoning can you provide for yet another town read?
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On December 10 2013 17:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Why are you suggesting you are not even reading the guy's posts you are voting for?
Show me where he says he is new or a smurf. I just read his filter like 3 times.
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On December 10 2013 17:12 xigxag wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 17:06 Plutarch wrote: Why do you have a town read on me Xigxag? It is natural as town to feel like the person attacking you is scum. After all, you know you are town and this person is wrong and attacking you. And yet you have given me a town read without justification. What reasoning can you provide for yet another town read? Your play, you are niggling over and over on a thing that doesn't feel right to you. You are self confident in a non-scum way "lol look at him squirm" since inciting a big fight with a townie is counter productive to scum agenda and I am a big fan of your answer when I asked you why you didn't build up a case you didn't flounder you simply stated that you didn't know what was right, only what was wrong. It suggested someone who was objectively reading cases and, if they had an issue with that case, making the issue known. All in all it seems likely that you are town. If you are scum you are one of the top scum players I've ever seen. So I'm going to assume that ockham had it right and you are town.
I don't understand. How can you justify this read so well and then do the complete opposite for the kush read.
For the record. This is a good read. That kush read was awful. But this post seems awfully townie so I think I will unvote for now.
##unvote
If you could let me know if you are a smurf or not that would be helpful.
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