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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 10 2013 04:21 GMT
#379
I think you need to add a new page to your book Bum.
Thou shall not betray own plan in PYP mafia or else someone will replace in and mess you up.

Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 10 2013 04:35 GMT
#389
General comments:

purpletrator is being incredibly defensive and showing off as paranoid to me
xatalos has been powerplaying quite hard day 1, and typically lynches of major town voices go badly day 1.

Push Post
Personally I think the most important post so far is this
On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.


--------

About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.

He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".

And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.


I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.


-------

@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.




I really really do not like this post as an entry post:

A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora.
B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet?
C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything.


Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you?

I've already mentioned how I felt the initial read of Cora was incredibly forced. This can easily attributed to Holyflare's overeagerness.

What is important to keep an eye out are the bandwagoners. Or the "bait and switch" approach. Make a flimsy case, wait for someone to quickly jump on your plan, and finger the bandwagoner as mafia. The logic behind this is that very few townies would be willing to push a bad lynch, but a mafia would be willing to push many lynches on greenies regarless of the contents of the lynches.

On December 10 2013 11:13 sidesprang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:
On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.


--------

About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.

He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".

And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.


I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.


-------

@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.




I really really do not like this post as an entry post:

A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora.
B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet?
C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything.


Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you?



A) I might be blind but I dont see you mention everything I mentioned, but if I still find it scummy would I not be allowed to say it ?

B) I don't see a reason for voting anyone yet, he is deffo looking scummy but It's still early in D1.

C) The point about Xatalos was a plea to the Town that people should rather focus on more quality over quantity when posting. Can I not do that in a non-inquisitive manner? I said I just used him as an example.


About Xatalos, I deffo dont like his opening. He goes after Cora and Kush which I think its fine, but also goes after Slam and Spag which had barely spoken and had not said anything scummy. So Artanis evaluation of him fits nicely, tho I wont say he is mafia because of it. He might just do it to start discussion, as he says he likes all the action happning here. I dont and will keep an eye on him.

And his defence was kinda just meta, "saying that is how he plays", and I dont know the guy. Might be true might not be. I dont like meta defences and its another thing that will make me keep an eye on him.

Indeed he continues his bandwagony attitude. Although there have only been two posts from him, bait and switch has a 100% success rate (n = 1), and I might as well go with it. I am seriously concerned about his willingness to support lynches without contributing much personal insights.

##unvote
##Vote; sidesprang
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 10 2013 04:41 GMT
#395
On December 10 2013 13:34 bumatlarge wrote:
Are there a lot of new players in this game?

This game is just smurfs, old foogys, and a few others who've played a good amount of games
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 10 2013 05:37 GMT
#412
Can we please lynch sidesprang?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 10 2013 15:32 GMT
#735
Out of all the games I've played why are we talking about the one I am currently in. PM the host for obs if you really want to know my alignment in PYP that bad.

I've already stated how I think the Corazon lynch is just a huge bandwagon, so I won't vote for him.

I'm glad to see someone feels that Purpletrator is being overly defensive

On December 10 2013 17:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:
Why we should lynch purpletrator:

He votes for LSB based on this:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Worst post in thread.
##Vote: purpletrator

Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?

You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"?
To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy.
On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:
Missed this post

On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Ya, sure. Reveal please!

It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch.

##Vote: LSB


First of all the first contribution is never going to achieve anything. What's LSB supposed to answer as town or as scum and how does purple gain something from it? There is no way it's going to do anything. Then he calls the question hypothetical, but still it somehow gives him a reason to vote for LSB. Why? And how does this tell him LSB "does not give shit about the lynch"?

This whole interaction makes no sense from the beginning because there is no possible way purple is going to gain any sort of information on LSB by this. Then this happens:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 08:55 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 08:53 Xatalos wrote:
By the way, purple, your filter is pretty lackluster so far. What have you been doing for all this time? Actively lurking?

i went to look at LSB's old games, only actually looked at PYP which is still ongoing and decided I'd seen enough to unvote him.

This is why he unvotes LSB. Does this look like a reason to unvote? Because "LSB does not read properly in either of the games". This makes him town how? Regardless of LSB's alignment in PYP game this certainly does not make him town because not reading properly is not alignment indicative and doing something in both of these games does not make LSB town here. On top of that, nobody is even allowed to agree/diagree with that "meta-read" because the PYP game is going on.

The whole evolution of his LSB-read and interactions with him are completely nonsensical, can't possibly achieve anything and do not even have any sort of logic behind them.

Rather than being nonsensical I saw it as being paranoid and believing there was a serious case on him and a need to defend himself. He handled that far too poorly, I chalked it up as bad play at the time, but this paranoia does bother me.

##unvote
##Vote Purpletrator
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 10 2013 23:34 GMT
#871
On December 11 2013 05:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
remember that pandain is in college and probably taking finals right now, so I expect him to be pretty afk regardless of alignment

Wow he is in college now? You have grown up my man
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 10 2013 23:50 GMT
#879
Can someone who is more familiar with Alakaslam explain his relation to Chezinu? Or provide me a frame of reference for his play / meta call?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 11 2013 00:03 GMT
#882
On December 11 2013 08:53 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 08:50 LSB wrote:
Can someone who is more familiar with Alakaslam explain his relation to Chezinu? Or provide me a frame of reference for his play / meta call?


He is emulating what chezinu is doing and is thus doing a read based style of play. I don't know what he is alignment wise based off meta though because he hasn't played like this with me before and i've played with him as both alignments.

Thanks, it helps a lot

On December 11 2013 08:38 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 08:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Spaghetticus...

Your handle, coupled with your posts this time about, remind me of the stuff I would gladly remove from my freezer, before I discovered I was a celiac...

I never liked my food frozen, however. See, I was loth to use a microwave for this reason.

Time... To burn. Fires of the Titanic, unite!


##Vote: Spaghetticus


Any reasoning? It's posts like this that make you detrimental.

I believe he is trying to use the Chezinu rule on Spaghetticus, however I disagree in the application of the Chezinu rule in this case.

I am willing to spend a day one lynch on him
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 11 2013 00:06 GMT
#883
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.

I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 11 2013 01:24 GMT
#888
On December 11 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.

I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors.


Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?

By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?

He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 11 2013 02:33 GMT
#903
On December 11 2013 10:48 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 10:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 11 2013 10:32 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2013 10:24 LSB wrote:
On December 11 2013 10:14 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2013 09:06 LSB wrote:
Probably I should include a reasoning:
Should Alakaslam continue with his play it will be incredibly difficult to get a correct read from Alakaslam or any player he 'pressures'. I don't want to waste a DT check on him, nor do I want to have him at LYLO.

I am of the belief that unless a seriously good candidate comes up, the day one lynch is probably the best time to get rid of lurkers/noncontributors.


Question. Would scum alakaslam continue posting in this manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?

By that same logic would town alakaslam continue posting in the manner despite thread saying he'd get lynched for it? What would be the net benefit to that kind of scum play?

He has chosen a way to play and hopefully we can discourage him from continuing with it


That's what I'm getting at, since we called him out on hit he actually switched his playstyle to a more coherent one and contributed and then reverted back to the old play intertwined with it. I see that as more of a wanting to use a strategy to discover information than survival tactics.


depends on how you look at it.

He reverted out of it once he picked up 2 quick votes and people were talking about maybe voting for him. When everything breezed over he went back to trolling. It can be twisted anyway you want it to be. From the story I just told, that's survival tactics.


Well I'd agree but the last 2 pages of his filter are coherent and thoughts, it is only that last post that was quoted that was an out of the blue revert but as LSB said that was to illicit a reaction out of someone (stop ruining plans lsb)! So, in actuality he is contributing - or more to the fact that he isn't being detrimental like he was at the start.

I thought it was fine, come lynch sidesprang http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388&currentpage=20#389
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 11 2013 02:34 GMT
#904
On December 11 2013 10:16 Holyflare wrote:
Also, what happened to your sidesprang lynch? I take it that has disappeared if you are mentioning lynching slam over him?

Dunno, no one was talking about it so I decided to pressure slam. I'd rather lynch sidesprang if we get the traction
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 11 2013 03:04 GMT
#913
On December 11 2013 12:02 bumatlarge wrote:
The sidesprang case is the bait and switch one right? He isn't too active, which is usually what you do if someone accuses you and they are right. He doesn't have alot to go on.

LETS GET THIS WAGON GOING GAIS

##unvote
##Vote: Sidesprang
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 11 2013 20:38 GMT
#1284
I filtered VA and I don't get the red read. If someone could link me a post explaining why you think he is scum I might rethink it. Reading Spang now
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 11 2013 20:40 GMT
#1290
Spaghetticus filter is just one giant mess of him trying to stir up activity, to me he is trying to show himself as being more active than he actually is.

Unfortunately between Spag and VA I am not confident about someone being scum, but Spag's filter suggests to me that he is more likely than not mafia

##Unvote
##Vote: Spaghetticus
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 11 2013 20:41 GMT
#1294
On December 12 2013 05:40 Corazon wrote:
Can we please not lynch Slam? We should just vig him. We're not going to find out jack shit from his lynching.

Have you looked act vote counts recently?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 11 2013 20:45 GMT
#1302
I don't like the Spag wagon either, but apparently although many people thought he was scum no one jumped on the sidesprang wagon with me
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 12 2013 17:15 GMT
#1573
I don't get how this bait and switch thing turned into us trying to lynch the bait and ignoring the switch
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 12 2013 17:19 GMT
#1575
What if we lynch both? No saying that Cora is scum (or town) I haven't read him yet
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 12 2013 21:19 GMT
#1661
Can the vig claim?
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