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K, first I'll comment on Slam:
I don't think he should be policy lynched. I'll agree w/ people that say he should be a vig shot instead. Hopefully any vig wont decide to go rogue since it's almost unanimous that he should be killed. And I know if I was a vig, I wouldn't want to risk going against will of the town and finding out Slam really was scum.
Xatalos touched on this but policy lynches suck for gaining information. Nobody needs to make a scum case. There's usually not gonna be a competing wagon. It's a waste of a lynch as far as an information gathering tool.
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On December 11 2013 23:59 Spaghetticus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:53 Plutarch wrote:On December 11 2013 23:48 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i am steering the town into lynching you because you have made 70 posts that say absolutely nothing. All you have to say is someone is mafia because of some assumed connection because they tried to guess someone's identity. Every other post you have made is an OMGUS to call out people who are telling you to go scumhunt or telling you why your logic does not make sense. You are not really trying to find mafia and your attitude towards people in this game gives out you are working under fear, pressure, insecureness and inherent guilt.
##Vote: Spaghetticus Hmm... this is frustrating. Up until recently I had you green. I still think you probably green though I'm beginning to doubt myself. This attack is... too specific. I'm not the scummiest person here, your vote seems motivated by something other than lynching the scummiest player. OMGUS? Yes I have a tendency to attack people that attack me. Where better to start? To dismiss my points as OMGUS though... I haven't been illogical, and I've attacked people for legitimate reasons. I find it incredible that you are casting suspicion on two of the most clearly town people in the game. Also typical of my style. See every game in my filter ever. Wait, so you agree that they're "two of the most clearly town people in the game"?
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IDK, it really sounds like spag isn't making cases based on who he thinks is scum. More like he's trying to just trying to make cases that scum would be too ballsy to make.
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yeah ##vote Spaghetticus
Like Plu said: He's almost comes right out and said that he's making scum cases to prove his own towniness
And then he pretty much admits that he's casting suspicion on townie looking people because it's "typical of [his] style". So again, he's pointing out how what he's saying makes him town.
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On December 12 2013 00:27 Spaghetticus wrote:
Shit JarJar that's pathetic.
Maybe if you twist my words just a little I'll just come out and say "I'm scum"
There is a difference between who I think is town and who I think others think are town. That this is what sways your vote is disappointing. Why not look at Pluto's meta-case, that's a lot more convincing.
Srsly, I'd FOS you bit I'm running out of fingers. Logic plz. What caused you to reneg ur Kush case?
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On December 12 2013 00:36 Spaghetticus wrote:
It's also worth noting that he came out of the woodwork when shit got real. He had every opportunity to remain wildcard. Isn't more of a scumtell to sit back and hide unless you're being pressured?
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I mean, I could understand saying something like "OK, I like Kush's last few posts. I'm gonna call him null for now."
But to go from making a full case on him to "Kush is almost definitely town" based on a few one line posts is hard to swallow.
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On December 12 2013 01:09 Spaghetticus wrote:
The way I played that game was really bad. It's my only game as scum, you think I wouldn't adjust my style? I didn't stand a chance! Uh Ok, but would that make you play that style when you're town.
Haven't read that filter yet. Just think that's a wierd response for a townie to have. Like what would adjusting your scum playstyle have to do w/ this game?
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On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. Is there that much of a difference between him making shitposts so he can't be read and you refusing to play or give your thoughts on anyone?
You're being just as useless.
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On December 12 2013 02:41 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not ridiculous at all if you consider how I play mafia. I KILL these kind of players at night because I find it more enjoyable to play with people that can actually scumhunt and try to trick them. Between that and my blue kill sniping I don't see how it is farfetch'd at all. So you would never push a mislynch on slam because he is so bad for town, but you would nk him??/ that makes no sense.
##unvote
##vote VayneAuthority
Complete contradiction
On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like.
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Also, I think this is a slip:
On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like.
Then when rayn calls him out about it, he says:On December 12 2013 02:33 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like. Fair enough, just wanted to be sure what you meant. Are you suggesting Spaghetticus is town? Yea he was one of the first to want to lynch Slam so I have him as town until further notice.
A few moments earlier when kush asked him what he thought of spag and cora, he refused to answer. Why not say you have a townread on someone that is picking up votes? It only became something he was willing to discuss to cover up his slip.
and yes I realize that this likely makes spag town.
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On December 12 2013 03:39 Plutarch wrote:
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.
I think it shows that he doesn't actually believe what he's saying about policy lynching Slam. He's using it as way to not participate or give reads so as to not have any accountability.
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On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: Show nested quote +This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames.
what happened?
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On December 12 2013 03:52 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 03:51 Grackaroni wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
not to mention that it isn't even a contradiction to begin with, YOU SEE ME GETTING RID OF ALAKASLAM IN THE THREAD. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT I GOT RID OF HIM IF I'M MAFIA. good lord. it is a contradiction if you say you are town for getting rid of the 4th mafia and that you would leave him in as scum. Then you admit that you would get rid of him because you like a real game. Night killing him for the hell of it is no different than lynching him for the hell of it when you could get a better lynch from 'dumping your vote on spaghetti" I don't think you realize the difference between pushing somebody in thread and night killing them. Hint: one can be seen by everybody, the other cannot. Lmao
"He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever?"
That's your quote right there bud. Explain why you'd want to nightkill a scumplayer if you were scum. Or don't since like you said: You'd never want to get rid of him ever.
That's pretty definate statement right there. Saying that you would NK him as scum is a 100% contradiction. You're saying that Slam is a scum asset that scum would want to stay in the game no matter what.
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On December 12 2013 05:11 purpletrator wrote:
before slam gets too far, active lurkers (theres gotta be like 10 of us), who is scummier, cora or spag? I haven't thought cora was scummy all game. But I have to admit, something feels off about this whole notes thing. He asks "Do you want to see them?" and then he's all: Uh I don't have em w/ me. I'll be very curious to see them as well.
I really don't like all this movement to Spag as soon as Vayne has the vote lead. Pretty sure scum is trying to keep vayne alive. Which would make spag town.
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On December 12 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 05:11 purpletrator wrote:
before slam gets too far, active lurkers (theres gotta be like 10 of us), who is scummier, cora or spag? I haven't thought cora was scummy all game. But I have to admit, something feels off about this whole notes thing. He asks "Do you want to see them?" and then he's all: Uh I don't have em w/ me. I'll be very curious to see them as well. I really don't like all this movement to Spag as soon as Vayne has the vote lead. Pretty sure scum is trying to keep vayne alive. Which would make spag town. So who do you suggest is scum then if that's the case?
Maybe Art. Maybe Purple. I think you're OK. Probably Purple.
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On December 12 2013 05:35 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 05:11 purpletrator wrote:
before slam gets too far, active lurkers (theres gotta be like 10 of us), who is scummier, cora or spag? I haven't thought cora was scummy all game. But I have to admit, something feels off about this whole notes thing. He asks "Do you want to see them?" and then he's all: Uh I don't have em w/ me. I'll be very curious to see them as well. I really don't like all this movement to Spag as soon as Vayne has the vote lead. Pretty sure scum is trying to keep vayne alive. Which would make spag town. They are scum together. I can switch to vayneauthority I it would make you comfortable but believe me spag is scummier. Vayneauthority might just be SK actually. Vayne basically scumslipped that Spag is town. A Scum Vayne means that Spag is p much confirmed town.
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@Cora
when you take notes, you use font color tags?
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On December 12 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least Vayne was able to say he thinks me and kush are scum.
Spag didn't get that far with ~100 posts. Yeah, after Vayne was close to getting lynched, he dedided to start playing the game. Even though he told us he wasn't gonna do anything else besides try to get slam lynched.
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On December 12 2013 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least Vayne was able to say he thinks me and kush are scum.
Spag didn't get that far with ~100 posts. Yeah, after Vayne was close to getting lynched, he dedided to start playing the game. Even though he told us he wasn't gonna do anything else besides try to get slam lynched. Actually he didn't really start playing rofl. He threw a personal attack on me and idk what to kush.
Yeah, no clue why he chose you and kush and not me when all 3 of us pointed out his contradiction. Kush hadn't even voted for him yet.
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