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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 12:21 GMT
#615
Purple case is weak. You pretty much just made a case to show that he's clueless and all I had to do was look at his original accusation to find that out.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 12:26 GMT
#619
On December 10 2013 21:24 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 21:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:14 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:12 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 12:39 Plutarch wrote:
I am not convinced by this push on Xatalos. In my experience he is more likely to take a back seat as scum than to jump around driving discussion.

He also said this


Pretty sure that is what everyone has been talking about.

Yeah that was to HF. Who would say that after obsing Dessert Mini. Way more likely you were a player and lied then that you obsed a game from over a year ago and feel you have a good grasp of Xatalos' scum play.


To be honest games tend to blend together and unless you make a real effort to refresh your memory (i didn't) you make mistakes. I made a mistake. The simple truth is that I just didn't realize it had been that long.

yeah I don't care about that lol. This was just me arguing with HF that you are probably lying about having not played in the game to keep your identity hidden.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 12:29 GMT
#623
you never shut my guess down...
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 12:41 GMT
#632
On December 10 2013 21:32 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:
you never shut my guess down...


If I played in dessert why would I be using an older game as meta? You guys....

Because they all blend together in your mind! There really aren't many people out there who pretend to be Blazinghand lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 13:02 GMT
#654
On December 10 2013 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 10 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I see you "don't like" Artanis either. Do you think he's less scummy than purple?

What about Corazon?

What's the purpose of this? If you have read my filter and know who's my vote on you'd know the answers to these questions. Also what do you think of Grackaroni's answer to my case on purple?


Your vote is on purpletrator, so I'd assume you think he's the scummiest. What I meant to say is: what's your opinion on Artanis and Corazon at the moment?

Hmmm. I don't really understand what Grackaroni is saying. Apparently he means to refute your case by saying it's obvious.......... Well, I guess he means that it's just stating the obvious and not much of a case. Weird to randomly point that out though. And why would being obvious make a case "weak", I really wonder.

My thoughts on Artanis have not really changed since i last posted them (after the "i don't like him" post).
I agree with what Plutarch said about Corazon as i said, i don't think anything else in his posting is scummy.

Grackaroni basically does not even address my case because it's not about if purple is clueless or not. That's scummy as hell.

That is the entirety of your case. You said he had a shitty reason for a vote/unvote. He thinks that LSB not reading his comment somehow makes LSB scum and that LSB wanting him to reveal his identity is scummy. I agree that his vote is stupid. That is all that you have shown. dumb does not always equal scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 13:13 GMT
#663
On December 10 2013 22:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 22:02 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I see you "don't like" Artanis either. Do you think he's less scummy than purple?

What about Corazon?

What's the purpose of this? If you have read my filter and know who's my vote on you'd know the answers to these questions. Also what do you think of Grackaroni's answer to my case on purple?


Your vote is on purpletrator, so I'd assume you think he's the scummiest. What I meant to say is: what's your opinion on Artanis and Corazon at the moment?

Hmmm. I don't really understand what Grackaroni is saying. Apparently he means to refute your case by saying it's obvious.......... Well, I guess he means that it's just stating the obvious and not much of a case. Weird to randomly point that out though. And why would being obvious make a case "weak", I really wonder.

My thoughts on Artanis have not really changed since i last posted them (after the "i don't like him" post).
I agree with what Plutarch said about Corazon as i said, i don't think anything else in his posting is scummy.

Grackaroni basically does not even address my case because it's not about if purple is clueless or not. That's scummy as hell.

That is the entirety of your case. You said he had a shitty reason for a vote/unvote. He thinks that LSB not reading his comment somehow makes LSB scum and that LSB wanting him to reveal his identity is scummy. I agree that his vote is stupid. That is all that you have shown. dumb does not always equal scum.

My case on purple is that his interactions with LSB have no intention in proving his towniness or figuring out LSB's alignment. You certainly are misrepresenting the case intentionally or do not understand it.

I don't see how that matters in the slightest. How is that different than picking out LSB's vote or picking out some of Slam's votes and saying the same thing? In fact, just single out his posts of not doing that because he has the really shitty vote which looks bad. That can come from town or scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 13:14 GMT
#665
On December 10 2013 22:10 Holyflare wrote:
Well in lxiii the moment I cast some misrepresentation you jumped all over it as a scum tell and wouldn't let down about it. What's changed that you are so compliant with Grack doing it now?

you would need to be more specific.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 13:22 GMT
#673
sell your case Rayn.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 13:28 GMT
#679
On December 10 2013 17:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The whole evolution of his LSB-read and interactions with him are completely nonsensical, can't possibly achieve anything and do not even have any sort of logic behind them.

Is this your conclusion? Because it sounds an awful lot like you calling somebody scum for being having a dumb vote.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 13:34 GMT
#683
Ok then.
##Vote: Raynepelikoneet
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 13:43 GMT
#690
On December 10 2013 22:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On December 10 2013 22:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok then.
##Vote: Raynepelikoneet

Are you scumclaiming?

Rayn has a shitty vote (target someone for being dumb), when I explain to him that its shitty he makes no effort to convince me and instead tells other people I am scummy for shutting down his dumb case. I won't be surprised if he is scum and if he is town then he can go lose.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 14:01 GMT
#709
On December 10 2013 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 22:49 Holyflare wrote:
On December 10 2013 22:43 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 22:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 22:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok then.
##Vote: Raynepelikoneet

Are you scumclaiming?

Rayn has a shitty vote (target someone for being dumb), when I explain to him that its shitty he makes no effort to convince me and instead tells other people I am scummy for shutting down his dumb case. I won't be surprised if he is scum and if he is town then he can go lose.


GRACK how is his case bad in any shape or form?

On December 10 2013 13:12 purpletrator wrote:
@xata
My initial read of LSB was that he was scum for throwing a shitty vote down and only following up when rayn pointed it out. He said how he never noticed my offer to reveal my identity, which I didnt think was townie mentality. If he'd seen it and just ignored it, then sure whatever hes just trolling. But to neglect to read the guy your voting, when his post was literally 1 above yours? That seemed messed up to me. On reading his PYP filter he does similar things where he misses key points in peoples posts. I dont want to go into detail because that game is ongoing.



This post alone could just be an entire case and it would be fine, I've highlighted the relevant bit for you (yes all of it). Purple states that his vote on LSB was because he was neglecting to read posts about the target he was on. He then justifies his unvote by saying that he has read an ongoing game - where he does NOT know LSB's alignment - and he does the same thing. What logical thought process is that?

TL:DR
He does not know LSB's alignment in PYP so how can he unvote based on that game unless he knows his alignment in this one.

It's not even a matter of if he knows LSB's alignment in that game. Whatever his alignment in PYP is if he does something he did there in this game it does not make him any alignment here. If he does "miss key points in posts" as town, he could as easily miss them as scum and vice versa.

It's a weak ass backpedal from a vote that was weak-ass in the first place (as i clearly pointed out in my case).
The whole interaction between purple and LSB does not make any sense because nothing purple says is can't evolve into an alignment indicative answer from LSB and he does not even give a clear read on LSB after the interaction. He is not interested in finding out LSB's alignment -> what's the point of the conversation?

I don't understand why you would reasonably expect somebody who gives an accusation of, "he didn't see my post? Now I know the truth. He is not trolling; he is scum" to make a lot of posts that would be helpful in finding out others alignment.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 19:57 GMT
#827
On December 11 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni has not offered any insight into anything that has happened in this game. He did not comment on my "shitty case" before i asked him to. If he thinks the case in fact was shitty why would he not shoot it down in the first place? Townies should not let shitty cases lie around because it distracts from actual scumhunting. Then he OMGUSes me (for what?) and leaves.

Spaghetticus is more interested in defending himself than contributing onto anything that's been going on in the game. He just pops in and gives some irrelevant comments about something.

Cora needs to answer Plutarch's case on him.

I think i've been pretty clear in what i think about purple.

lol all of the cases were shitty. Plutarchs case on Cora was shitty. Artanis' case on Xatalos was shitty. That doesn't really tell me much about who is what. fyi that is how I filled up my filter at the start of the game in time to die. I just looked for the bad cases being thrown about and made an effort of showing why they were bad.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 20:04 GMT
#829
On December 11 2013 01:03 Spaghetticus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 00:55 Corazon wrote:
Plutarch is Marv because all Marv does is tunnel me whenever we are town together. You should just disregard everything he says about me tbh

HF is confirmation biased and refuses to push anyone else besides me. Play the game

Don't call Artanis scum for being right.


Be less bad please.

How do you expect to convince anyone with this garbage?

So we should take you word for it that not only are you trustworthy, you are able to discern smurfs at a glance, and you deem that this smurf is marv, and you also deem that Marv tunnels you, that he does so unfairly, and we should therefore disregard it? How can you not see that this is too much to swallow?

HF is biased because he thinks you're scummy and doesn't change his vote with the wind?

Artanis can't be scum because you agree with him on something?

You're either making terrible arguments because you're terrible town, or you're just bullshitting to look like you're doing something. Can someone weigh in on how good Corazon is supposed to be? If he's at all capable at mafia I want him hung.


this post is really forced lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 20:07 GMT
#830
On December 11 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 04:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 11 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni has not offered any insight into anything that has happened in this game. He did not comment on my "shitty case" before i asked him to. If he thinks the case in fact was shitty why would he not shoot it down in the first place? Townies should not let shitty cases lie around because it distracts from actual scumhunting. Then he OMGUSes me (for what?) and leaves.

Spaghetticus is more interested in defending himself than contributing onto anything that's been going on in the game. He just pops in and gives some irrelevant comments about something.

Cora needs to answer Plutarch's case on him.

I think i've been pretty clear in what i think about purple.

lol all of the cases were shitty. Plutarchs case on Cora was shitty. Artanis' case on Xatalos was shitty. That doesn't really tell me much about who is what. fyi that is how I filled up my filter at the start of the game in time to die. I just looked for the bad cases being thrown about and made an effort of showing why they were bad.

How about you make a good one then yourself? Your case on me atm seems quite convincing. Is there any reason you seem to only want to contribute towards bad town atmosphere?

Probably one of the few correct reads going out right now though. It's pretty amusing that you complain about people making bad town atmospheres after people's reaction to your play in time to die.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 20:41 GMT
#843
On December 11 2013 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't think i am switching my vote off him today.

Please explain how your posts towards me are different in any way aside from asking people to vote me. I really don't like what you have done this game. So far you started the weak purple wagon with shitty reasoning and then started acting obtuse when I tried to talk with you.

Explain to me why your reasoning for Purple being scum does not also apply to LSB? Do any of LSB's interactions seem to be used to figure out others alignments? right now you are just trying to gather support on somebody for being a weak player. (by using it as a justification for purple being scum) That alone makes you either bad or scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 21:01 GMT
#849
On December 11 2013 05:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Grack you mentioned a very forced post of Spaghetticus. Would you be happy to lynch him on D1?

He's done nothing so far but pressure lurkers but I don't believe he is the best lynch.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 21:03 GMT
#850
On December 11 2013 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 03:16 bumatlarge wrote:
On December 11 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2013 03:01 bumatlarge wrote:
On December 11 2013 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bumatlarge do you think Pandains posting / lack of posting is the most important thing there is going on in thread?


Don't worry, I'm reading your posts you to are a big question asker, but you seem to do that alot anyway.

Put it this way. I'd like to enter Day 2 with everyone here except pandain. I'm not advocating a sort of no-lynch policy, but I don't think we have a good lynch. What is important in this thread at the moment is debatable. I want to keep the accusations streamlined, and I don't want 6 kushmastas giving me their green reads. The pressure levels are sweet. That's probably what's most important.

Wait what? We are under 24h into the game and the only thing you want to talk about is someone who has not posted.
Do you think people voting for him now does:
1) make him magically come here posting sooner?
2) leave us with more information than pressuring other people even if he does not come back and we lynch him?


But he hasss posted. Information is overrated! He will come if we vote him. He is the missing corner piece to a fully fledged town! MEGAZORD ASSEMBLED!

Also do you think Pandain as mafia is type of a player that goes inactive for any other than non-game related reasons? If not, why exactly are you trying to shut down discussion?


?!?!?!

I don't meta this early. Why would you think that last statement. Am I distracting you?

To me it seemed like you wanted to vote for an inactive, encouraged everyone else to vote for an inactive and therefore shut down any productive discussion until Pandain returns.

Apparently this is not true (since you started talking about other things) so carry on, my post is no longer relevant.

What do you think of my cases on Grackaroni and purpletrator?

You think Bumatlarge has made useful posts so far?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 21:13 GMT
#852
On December 11 2013 05:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2013 05:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 11 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2013 05:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 11 2013 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad. I don't think i am switching my vote off him today.

So you're just going to throw your vote away if he's not a lynch candidate today? Come on man.
Talk to me about Spaghetticus.

Actually my plan was to convince you guys into voting him but there is still 24h to go on this phase.
Spaghetticus looks scummy for being overly defensive when people were just trying to get him into reading the thread and giving out reads. He always found some excuse to comment on something that did not make him go towards telling who is mafia.

Can you tell me exactly what you find suspicious of Grack? Is it that he voted you without pressuring you?

He hasn't really done anything but this:
The problem is he is not really going after me. His posts about me have no other motive than trying to make me angry and therefore play bad.

I don't know what purpose that serves or how he thinks he is helping the town. By telling me i am not allowed to call out people for shitting on other people because i played bad in another game? Why would someone who is town do that?

After checking his filter I can see where you're coming from. I can see a scum grack, but I also know that grack likes to troll. Picking a fight with you early on seems like a terrible idea as scum, but he skated by due to terrible ideas in LXIII too whilst being scum. I wouldn't oppose a Grack lynch at this point but I'm not convinced on it.

Wait what. I didn't skate by for having terrible ideas in LXIII. I skated by for bussing half my team lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 11 2013 03:56 GMT
#934
On December 11 2013 12:51 kushm4sta wrote:
slam you have to have self confidence in your own way or these assholes will make you feel bad. just act how you are gonna act. if we lynch you and you flip town then that teaches us a lesson for next game and we wont lynch you so easily.

Ha. Go teach those assholes a lesson. Who do they think they are expecting people to play in a game that they signed up for.
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