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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 14 2013 19:08 GMT
#2081
Artanis I asked you questions earlier and you never answered them.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 14 2013 19:11 GMT
#2082
On December 15 2013 03:47 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@rayne - U think Vayne is town. U think I'm town. I make a huge case against Vayne which has some real good points.

Where are all the scum sheep votes? No scum wants to bandwagon such a thought out case from a townie? There's just too much resistance for vayne to be town.

Or Maybe you think scum already has a person voting vayne?

Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 23:20 Aquanim wrote:
VayneAuthority (3): JarJarDrinks, xigxag, sidesprang

You can't tell me that you believe town is making a case against town and 2 townies are the only people on the wagon. Someone is scum in that group.

I like this guy. that is only really the case though if LSB is scum. Otherwise scum can put their vote wherever they please.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 14 2013 19:11 GMT
#2083
On December 15 2013 03:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 15 2013 03:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 15 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can talk about Xatalos but you need a different approach. I have already answered your case on D1 and the case is practically the same, besides his vote on Spag. I don't think that alone makes him mafia.

You didn't think Mocsta was mafia for his strange suspicion on Spaghetticus either in LXIII. I think my case illustrates why Xatalos is mafia without the fluff.

Yes i did not think Mocsta was mafia until he went on and shot StorrZerg. I told him his case was not good but i could have seen town!Mocsta do that case. Maybe i am just shitty in reading him. Can you do/answer the following:
1) Give me the reasoning why Xatalos is mafia. I promise you i will be reading his filter and tell you what i think.
2) Do you think you can get Xatalos lynched today? If not, could you give at least 2 people who you think are mafia, with reasoning, not only saying they "work under mafia mindset" or "are bad or scum". Like actually explain why something means something to you. If you are town it's really hard to tell atm because that's honestly what you are doing in your reads on about ~half of the people in this game.

Sure. Can you answer me why you were unwilling to talk to me earlier because you considered me scum when that read hasn't changed, yet are willing to do so now?

I think it was yesterday? I made quite a faceplant when i was walking home on Thursday. I look like a fucking mosnter and didn't feel quite well yesterday..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 14 2013 19:13 GMT
#2084
Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
December 14 2013 19:17 GMT
#2085
On December 14 2013 06:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all.
On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.

Could we please lynch this scum already?



Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is.

I don't like this post. Artanis played with Rayn earlier and saw that he got lynched as town for switching reads too much and Artanis is a good player. Can you explain why Rayn is scum for being careless and for other people carelessness is a townie trait? I want to see some better reasoning for why you believe Rayn is scum; otherwise, you are just slinging shit.

Because I felt Rayn was doing it without a townie thought process behind it. I saw no reason for him to randomly suspect Plutarch for one, when he's been so townie otherwise. HF did that to me when he was scum in our QT; randomly suspecting me even though he knew I was a claimed vigilante and practically confirmed town. Suspicions like that reek fake to me. However, with Rayn's recent posts my suspicions on him have faded. His suspicion on me feels real.
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 21:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 13 2013 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not answering you anything because you are scum.
The post i am talking about proves it.

I'm glad you know alignments for certain Rayn. I wish I had that kind of knowledge.
Then again I'd be scum then.

lol like this. This is terrible.

I really don't like Artanis' game long push on Xatalos. It's all based on Xatalos being overaggressive and attacking everything that moves, which really isn't how I think scum would play.

@Artanis, can you give me your thoughts on Rayn's case on Purple from all the way back at the start of day1. I want to hear what you thought about that then.

Wasn't the case on Purple like half a day into D1? I must admit I didn't pay much attention to it. Reading it now, I like the points in it. I'd need to reread Purple's filter to give you my opinion on him today though, but from the D1 posts I consider him decently scummy.


Old reasons for suspecting Xatalos:
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.

Since then:
-Makes a post with a big push on me, then goes on with the order of the day. Doesn't force anyone to pay attention to the case he made. He brings it up sometimes but in a very casual way and doesn't force people to look at it when it's ignored.
-Wishy-Washy thing on me made absolutely no sense when he had a wishy-washy stance on me himself. I'm the scapegoat for his plans. He doesn't actually wants to lynch me because he knows I'll flip green, so he finds any reason he can to try and paint me red. The worse the reason, the better as it won't actually convince anyone.

I don't know if I can get Xatalos lynched but I sure hope so.
+ Show Spoiler [fluff] +
On December 15 2013 04:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 03:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 15 2013 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 15 2013 03:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 15 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can talk about Xatalos but you need a different approach. I have already answered your case on D1 and the case is practically the same, besides his vote on Spag. I don't think that alone makes him mafia.

You didn't think Mocsta was mafia for his strange suspicion on Spaghetticus either in LXIII. I think my case illustrates why Xatalos is mafia without the fluff.

Yes i did not think Mocsta was mafia until he went on and shot StorrZerg. I told him his case was not good but i could have seen town!Mocsta do that case. Maybe i am just shitty in reading him. Can you do/answer the following:
1) Give me the reasoning why Xatalos is mafia. I promise you i will be reading his filter and tell you what i think.
2) Do you think you can get Xatalos lynched today? If not, could you give at least 2 people who you think are mafia, with reasoning, not only saying they "work under mafia mindset" or "are bad or scum". Like actually explain why something means something to you. If you are town it's really hard to tell atm because that's honestly what you are doing in your reads on about ~half of the people in this game.

Sure. Can you answer me why you were unwilling to talk to me earlier because you considered me scum when that read hasn't changed, yet are willing to do so now?

I think it was yesterday? I made quite a faceplant when i was walking home on Thursday. I look like a fucking mosnter and didn't feel quite well yesterday..

Aww, hope you feel better soon man.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 14 2013 19:18 GMT
#2086
On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.

I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
December 14 2013 19:21 GMT
#2087
On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.

I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum.

What the? I could lynch you for this post right now.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
December 14 2013 19:23 GMT
#2088
if xigxag lives we have a strong chance of losing no matter his alignment.

you don't have town read on him

lynch
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 14 2013 19:24 GMT
#2089
On December 15 2013 04:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.

I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum.

What the? I could lynch you for this post right now.

you won't trade 1 for 1?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 14 2013 19:24 GMT
#2090
On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.

I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum.

No, i want to lynch the scum one of them because they are both really valuable as town. Not doing 1-1's here.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
December 14 2013 19:25 GMT
#2091
On December 15 2013 04:24 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.

I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum.

What the? I could lynch you for this post right now.

you won't trade 1 for 1?

The blatant disregard for who is actually scum shows a lack of townie mindset to me, and contrasts with the effort you just put in to analyze Xatalos, which is strange if you believe only one of me/Xatalos is scum and you having a scum read on Xatalos earlier. Instantly backtracking on that and not giving a shit looks like shit to me.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 14 2013 19:25 GMT
#2092
On December 15 2013 04:23 Blazinghand wrote:
if xigxag lives we have a strong chance of losing no matter his alignment.

you don't have town read on him

lynch

I actually could get behind this.
I gotta read Artanis' case and Xatalos first. Could you do that too, read Artanis & Xatalos? Or if you have done so could you tell your opinion.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 14 2013 19:26 GMT
#2093
What did you see in Rayn's day1 purp case that was pushing a scum agenda?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
December 14 2013 19:27 GMT
#2094
On December 15 2013 04:26 Grackaroni wrote:
What did you see in Rayn's day1 purp case that was pushing a scum agenda?

Loaded question that'll give him an option to make LSB look scum regardless of his alignment.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 14 2013 19:28 GMT
#2095
On December 15 2013 04:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:24 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.

I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum.

What the? I could lynch you for this post right now.

you won't trade 1 for 1?

The blatant disregard for who is actually scum shows a lack of townie mindset to me, and contrasts with the effort you just put in to analyze Xatalos, which is strange if you believe only one of me/Xatalos is scum and you having a scum read on Xatalos earlier. Instantly backtracking on that and not giving a shit looks like shit to me.

I've tried to figure it out and you both look like scum.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 14 2013 19:29 GMT
#2096
Okay one shitpost before i start reading. People come play voice mafia later on today. Asap after deadline, post in voice mafia thread if yes..
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
December 14 2013 19:30 GMT
#2097
On December 15 2013 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:24 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.

I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum.

What the? I could lynch you for this post right now.

you won't trade 1 for 1?

The blatant disregard for who is actually scum shows a lack of townie mindset to me, and contrasts with the effort you just put in to analyze Xatalos, which is strange if you believe only one of me/Xatalos is scum and you having a scum read on Xatalos earlier. Instantly backtracking on that and not giving a shit looks like shit to me.

I've tried to figure it out and you both look like scum.

Do you think a scenario where we're both scum is likely? If not, do you think giving up on finding out our alignment is a protown thing to do?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 14 2013 19:31 GMT
#2098
On December 15 2013 04:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:24 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.

I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum.

What the? I could lynch you for this post right now.

you won't trade 1 for 1?

The blatant disregard for who is actually scum shows a lack of townie mindset to me, and contrasts with the effort you just put in to analyze Xatalos, which is strange if you believe only one of me/Xatalos is scum and you having a scum read on Xatalos earlier. Instantly backtracking on that and not giving a shit looks like shit to me.

I've tried to figure it out and you both look like scum.

Do you think a scenario where we're both scum is likely? If not, do you think giving up on finding out our alignment is a protown thing to do?

probably not to both.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
December 14 2013 19:34 GMT
#2099
Could we get a votecount?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
December 14 2013 19:38 GMT
#2100
no 1-1ing guys l put down the epeen

please do same.


via phone ATM but iirc this is what I was thinking it:
xata highly waffly. I don't like him. is case IMO makes him look worse.

if we don't Lynch xx today though when are we going to do it? nobody has an answer for thus.

he is a lylobility. don't let him get there.
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