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#unvote #Ban Urgot | ||
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The only problem is this has been proposed pretty late. Not sure you will get people to agree to it this late in the day. But sign me up. Also, I am sick as balls right now and have been since the game started. I will continue to post very little until I have recovered some. | ||
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Koshi if you can't make a vote list check can you make the invention sandroba suggested (checking how many mafia picked each number)? Seems strong but not as op as a vote check list. I am fully on board the kill bum express. 1) Put a ton of effort into the setup but little effort once the game actually begins. This is fairly common for mafia to appear like they are contributing in a pro town manner, if you look at how much work bum put into his plan (researching and referencing radfields plan etc) and compare it to what hes done in the last 48 hours it looks pretty bad. He made 1 okish case against jcarl but then has just coasted since then. Has he even looked at another person besides jcarl? 2) Stupid logic regarding LSB/reaction to sandroba's pressure. Thinks LSB is mafia but doesn't want to lynch him because he could be village idiot what? Says LSB's power likely makes him survive a lynch (very few powers let you survive a lynch way more likely it just lets him survive kp like poppys, if this is even his other power), Bum should know this. But still votes LSB after he is pressured and he tripped himself up by saying he thinks LSB is mafia. You can see after sandroba pressured bum he started bullshitting, realized it was terrible, changed his vote and then just completely disappears, but did it in an incredibly wishy washy way saying everyone will be sorry when LSB survives the lynch. If he actually believes that why did he cave and vote LSB. 3) His read on jcarl doesn't make sense. Why is Bum so completely 100% sure jcarl is mafia? Bum after making his case against jcarl just tunnels him 100%. He at no point evaluates new information to alter his read. When LSB first calls him SK his instant reaction is to say LSB is scum defending jcarls powerful role. He refuses to roleclaim but he is so certain jcarl is mafia that he will roleclaim if jcarl does. And even after saying he thinks LSB is mafia he still tries to push the jcarl lynch. The bum/jcarl interactions just feel a bit off to me. On December 03 2013 23:35 jcarlsoniv wrote: Sandro, I see your case for bum, and it makes a lot of sense. I'm wary to get behind it because I'm worried that my opinion is a bit heavily influenced by OMGUS and I would be totally ok with seeing him go. Summary: Vote is staying on geript, I refuse to let him get away with this absolutely abysmal play. Towards the end of the day, I could get behind gtrsrs or, depending on how things develop for him, bum. I don't like this quote from jcarl about bum either, so wishy washy, and the omgus excuse is zzzzzz. Jcarl doesn't seem emotional it shouldn't be a problem for him to evaluate the case against bum with an open mind. | ||
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And I am interested in hearing your answer to marv's question. Bit strange that you haven't asked jcarl a single question. | ||
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Rean what do you think about the current lynch candidates? Who do you plan on voting for? Also where is supersoft. I would have expected him to be around by now and commenting on current events. His only case this game has been against LSB who he called scum but then he proceeded to say he isn't sure if he should be lynched today in the same post? He also said he was going to go do some meta research on him, did you ever do any of that super? | ||
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Marv/sandorba any concerns with everyone jumping on Bum without hesitation? | ||
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On December 04 2013 08:39 OdinOfPergo wrote: Ye I'm going to point out I don't think VE was lazy on the bum vote at all. My interpretation of his post on the previous few pages is that he'd honestly rather lynch LSB. Well he may want to rather lynch LSB but he gave up with 4 hours still left in the day. Seems pretty lazy to me. I get a bit nervous when 13 out of the last 14 votes (not counting bum) are all for one guy and the thread is this dead this close to lynch. Still tho could just be that mafia don't have a good thread presence or the stronger players aren't around or they want to bus, etc etc. I am sticking with bum since the case is strongest against him but some discussion would be nice. | ||
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On December 04 2013 09:01 geript wrote: I'm going to pull up jaybrundage again and have another real go at him. You mind looking at him with me. Also, mind suggesting someone you think I should look at? If we work on the basis that marv is probable town then his attacking marv looks decent. Marv seems like a very bad target for a guy who has lurked a lot and barely posted. But the fact that he has contributed nothing then just comes in and says he likes LSB's post so hes voting bum is pretty bad. Especially since all his other posts were just about Marv. Also, I would really like to hear from him about why he tried to take Lux. Lux is such an easy thing for mafia to fake claim they took since it was taken high in the draft and should be a pro town role. Jay if you read this what do you think about Marv now? | ||
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I will say though him focusing you then coming in and liking LSB's post for why bum is mafia when LSB probably had the weakest points is also pretty bad. One other thing, I asked him if he could explain why he took Lux. He disappeared and didn't answer but then later on did vote in the voting thread. So either he is very lazy and isn't even reading the thread this close to lynch or he is actively lurking. | ||
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Very likely mafia would be given safe player names they can claim. Proves nothing. | ||
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Can you please explain the lux pick. You ranked lux as one of the strongest roles and thought you could get it at 15? | ||
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On December 05 2013 14:55 Oatsmaster wrote: IM SORRY CHEZINU. Yeah where has Mig been all game? I was sick at the start of the game, I was around quite a lot at the end of the day and I am here now! Chezinu is telling the truth I am cho gath. | ||
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On December 05 2013 15:12 Oatsmaster wrote: dude why you take my champ. Yeah mig, why did you take cho? I thought about it for a long time actually. First considered kassadin but was afraid it already be taken. So I started considering tankier roles like taric but figured townies around the 8-15 would pick him and didn't want to take a role away. So started looking at kp roles, saw that cho had a 7 on the rankings for health in the op so picked him. Also, figured knowing how much hp someone has is a lot more valuable for mafia so thought there was a good chance one of them would try to take it later on and end up vanilla. | ||
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On December 05 2013 15:20 Rean wrote: I don't understand the bold part, could you explain please? ^^ Under the section that talks about each hero and their role there is a link to a LoL page that shows how much each heroes attack/health is etc. | ||
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On December 05 2013 22:26 sandroba wrote: I want a link to that page. Considering you were sick as balls, I'm having a hard time swallowing that you took your sweet time looking trough champs in the league database. Also I'd like to know what does you other ability do. As I have said before the link is in the op, it is under the spoiler long champion list. I guess just ask yourself this would mig as scum at the #5 pick take the kp role that has one of the lowest attack ratings and highest health ratings? Over something like nidalee which has way higher kill potential? Especially since cho could probably be picked up later on in the draft. Also, I did not shoot jonny. It appears my attack was possibly redirected towards jonny somehow considering he took 125 damage which is what my attack does. I tried to shoot meapack. In my experience with meapak he has always seemed like a pretty level headed guy. His rant where he starting yelling fucking every other word and yelling about lurkers/koshi felt fake to me. There was no reason for a level headed guy to be so angry. The last time I saw something like this was actually in the last game I played, BC very similarly had a fake anger tirade yelling at lurkers when he was mafia. | ||
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On December 06 2013 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: No Mig, you are wrong. MZ gets angry for stupidity: + Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I cannot get over how stupid you are rayn. I went back and read the thread where it was announced the nuke was launched and then went back and read my posts before that. Basically I called you scum for your idiotic call for chez's death. Hang on, why the fuck didn't you nuke chez? You were screaming about it and I called you out on it. You kept pushing and I called you scum so you omgus nuked me INSTEAD OF THE GUY YOU WERE TELLING EVERYONE TO NUKE. Like I'm sitting here lost for words over how stupid this is. I'm trying to remember that stupidity is not a scumtell but for real, are you trying to look scummy? On July 09 2013 09:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You're lying. I made that post on page 9, it was obviously a joke as there was no mod response. Nuke number one is launched on page 18 NINE FUCKING PAGES LATER. Notice that the nuke that was just launched is not my nuke, therefore my nuke was a fake since it was "launched" before chez's nuke. Why are you lying? Also someone should nominate that for the best plan 2013 <3 And then the town for best blunder for not lynching conf-scum Ace. <3 Well suppose I could have been wrong but those were my thoughts and why I tried to shoot him. Anyway regardless if I was scum and I could see someone's hp I wouldn't be targeting mz. | ||
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On December 06 2013 01:10 sandroba wrote: @mig did you get info on how much hp jonny has left? I don't actually mind giving scum that info, if he is town and they want to shoot him dead that would actually clear up some of this mess. Yes 825, I don't actually know that this was jonny tho (seems likely). The pm only says your result is 825. | ||
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On December 06 2013 01:26 sandroba wrote: @mig any thoughts on austin, rean or do you have someone in mind? No clue about rean honestly, him initially agreeing to force everyone to ban the right roles then doing nothing looks terrible. But the BTB game where he was mafia he had much more reasonable posts where he put some effort in. This game he puts 0 effort in gets called out for it repeatedly and continues to be useless, doesn't seem like the sort of thing someone who puts more effort in as mafia would do. But this isn't really a strong enough reason for me to say definitively what his alignment is. Austin- reading through his posts I have a few problems with them. 1) Defending bum so strongly for a bit of a meh reason. He repeatedly says that bum is town based only on the fact that bum said not all vts should claim. He even says the rest of his filter is bad but the one post about vts was enough to convince fully of bum's townness. 2) Wants to lynch Rean even after his meta case was actually shown to make Rean be more likely to be town. His post against MZ I thought was actually stronger but he didn't switch just continued to vote Rean. 3) His posts just feel rushed (didn't check reans alignment for meta, quotes the same bum sentence twice in one post), it feels like he probably didn't have a lot of time and so he tried to rush something out. Townies generally don't feel pressured to rush something out at the end of the day and are more likely to just half ass it, sheep someone else without really explaining themselves. He especially probably feels pressured after being called out earlier for not being around and putting no effort in. I would be happy with an austin lynch right now. Still a lot of time left in the day to look at other people tho. You mentioned that if austin was scum you would be on to another person. Who and why? | ||
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On December 06 2013 01:59 sandroba wrote: @mig I've posted my theory about austin/rean, check it out and tell me what you think. On December 06 2013 00:07 sandroba wrote: This theory really explains well the night kill too. If Rean indeed tried to take kha'six mafia had a pretty good idea where that role went. Since it is a role that gets stronger over time and prom was playing his balls off, that would be a pretty good reason to stack a ton of kp on him. This is reaching. geirpt/kenpachi/mz/geirpt/jonny/myself could have all taken kha. Really doubt they targeted prome in some attempt to kill kha. And not to mention this relies on austin/rean both being scum and rean trying to pick khas. A lot of what ifs. On December 05 2013 23:49 sandroba wrote: He also already knew he would be voting Rean before even looking at him. He didn't even bother to check if rean was scum in the game he used for meta. He seemed to be in a rush to justify all his reads when all of them were already fabricated. All his reasoning is bullshit. Yeah, this man is scum. This I can agree with. This meshes with how I felt about austin. He made the case against Rean using meta, his meta was shown to actually make rean look better not worse and this didn't change austin's read at all. | ||
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Fuba are you saying I did hit meapak or what? If I did why didn't meapak claim it. I definitely hit someone I got a hp total back. | ||
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Anyway sorry my townie bros but I am going to continue to be pretty useless for awhile. Decided to road trip to ATL for a football game last minute so I can only phone post this weekend (and sporadically at best). Sandroba/super will probably want to lynch me based solely on meta and I only have excuses for my activity but it is what it is. I may not be around if people try to lynch me so my defense is thus, 1) I wouldnt take cho has mafia all the way up at 5 2) Even if I did take cho for some reason I sure as hell wouldnt have shot MZ. I would have picked an important townie to set up the n2 kill. 3) Read my posts and ask if I am bullshitting or giving my genuine thoughts 4) The one time frame I wasnt sick and was around (near bums lynch) I was pretty clearly my townie self. I was working to promote discussion and asking bum questions all the way till the end to try and figure out if he was the right lynch. Couple random thoughts from reading, onegu-probably town just based on how he roleclaimed. Did it in a way that really makes little sense for mafia. VE- why is VE so useless? Lurker lynch with 210 pages to work with are you kidding me? He is a dt and considering the possible missing mafia kp and the claimed damage seems very likely town. So why isnt he leading the town to hunt scum? I feel like a town VE with a lot of town cred is going to put effort in to actually find scum and not just push a lurker lynch. Dont need to worry about VE as a lynch candidate since he is a problem that solves itself but if he survives and doesnt find scum people should be very suspicious. For the lynch I am going to vote MZ for now. Austin to me looked a lot better in his defense, seemed very open with his thoughts. MZ, I havent seen you answer a question sandroba asked you earlier why were you not concerned at all that I tried to shoot you? Do you think this makes me town or scum? You havent even commented on it. You just seem to be coasting this game. | ||
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On December 07 2013 04:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Gosh Mig, if you think I'm not a lynch candidate then why mention me at all? :O You shouldnt be a lynch candidate for obvious reasons. If you are town mafia either shoots you or risks you finding them with dt powers. But if you live a long time and you arent finding scum then something is up and town should keep this in mind. Can you explain why you think lurker lynch is optimal right now instead of actually putting the effort into scum hunting? | ||
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On December 07 2013 04:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Firstly @sandroba that's pretty weak. Secondly @mig: why should I be concerned you shot me? You're voting me now, you apparently decided I was scum sometime last night, there are a lot of people I'd lynch ahead of you. Your shot is not a solid tell one way or another because I can make arguments for it being both town or scum. Why wouldnt you be concerned that I shot you lol. Being shot is something to be concerned over and if I knew who shot me I would be looking into them to see whether they shot me as a townie or scum. You just seem lacksidasical about it all. You cared enough about the game to rage about people playing bad but then just shrug your shoulders at someone claiming to shoot you? Seems weird to me. What do you think about austin? Who do you plan on voting for? | ||
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I only have a minute to check in here. I still dont want to vote austin, roffles seems like a cop out where people can vote without getting backlash. Any thoughts about a last minute LSB push? LSB has completely half assed it since he has fallen under the radar. | ||
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Anyway, super sometimes I dont know if you are dense on purpose or just being your normal super self. Explain to me why, exactly if me and mz were both mafia, I would waste my shot on him last night which tells hp and then vote him when I could vote austin with very little backlash. | ||
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On December 05 2013 18:34 Chezinu wrote: Don't you know I see all. You did not make anything. *tisk tisk* If rayn is willing to give you protection, then we may need to look more into you. Rayn doesn't support the good guys, at least from my experience last game. Why you gotz to lie? Why did rayn have to lie? Why did Mig have to be sick! "Chezinu -> spies on Koshi, rayne, jcarlsoniv and Mig to see what they are doing." So how is koshi not mafia? Mimic - During the night, you choose 4 players. If those players used an ability on that night, you will learn that ability's full details with the daypost. You may then select one of those abilities to use on the following night. If no player you have selected uses an ability, you may use this ability again on the following night. One-shot. On December 06 2013 03:44 Chezinu wrote: The invention of The Crown of Solomon was not by your ability. I see you claim to have taken 50 damage.. interestingly poor choice... Do you think rayn is that slow? | ||
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Tell me why he didnt copy the inventor the power if he saw koshi use it. According to chez koshi is not the inventor. | ||
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On December 09 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: If any of you even read Chezinu's posts about my power you should know why his power did not go through and why Koshi was hit by 50 KP. So jcarl and Mig, what are you doing? Some selective reading that suits your agenda? It is obvious you have not read Chezinu's posts fully, apparently he did not read himself. Explain, he claims to have watched you and koshi, if he thought you had prevented him from seeing koshi why did he say definitively that koshi didnt invent anything. | ||
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Koshi did you purposefully include the hp checks section of the medic radio? I tried to shoot MZ last night to confirm if he was telling the truth about his ability. I got no result. Not sure if I was rbd or mz was protected or what. If MZ was protected somehow last night could explain why the crown didn't work. Coag obviously should be lynched today, has a mafia favored role, his claim about the nuke doesn't make sense etc. VE looks terrible, he is putting totally no effort into the game and why didn't mafia shoot him last night? They roleblocked fuba apparently so they really just left VE alone to use his power? I guess it is possible they have 2 rbers and roleblocked VE also but that seems unlikely. He then coincidentally decides to target his power on the guy who has the ability to block himself off for 2 nights. Some of the suspicious things VE has done this game 1) claims lux immediately, which allows him to be role blocked or killed by the mafia. He is a parity cop he takes awhile before he gets good checks claiming immediately is awful. His explanation that he is a big target at the #3 spot anyway is retarded. 2) jcarl gives him the lantern and he claims in thread he wont use it. Why? Even if he is suspicious of jcarl he doesn't know for a fact that jcarl is mafia. If he was town he should claim he was going to use it even if he wasn't because if jcarl is town maybe mafia wouldn't use their powers on him that night. 3) chooses to use his check on the guy whose only power we know for sure is to block yourself off for 2 nights. Even if you think hes mafia there are a lot safer checks to try and make sure you actually get something useful. Especially for your first check that will actually tell us anything. Either VE is playing an incredibly dumb town game where he does not think about his actions at all or he is mafia. | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:24 supersoft wrote: thank you. @mig: Given Coag is scum - what I am fairly convinced he is - why do you think he used his power right now? I mean he wasn't in more danger than gtrsrs or roffels (if one of them is town) to get lynched. His lurking is equally scummy and I guess the scumteam should have been a fair chance to save him. I really have no clue, if his powers only require pms why did he say anything in thread at all? The only logical explanation for it I have is either A) he is just being an idiot and decided to fuck around (which seems possible considering he hasn't even argued to try and save himself at all). or B) they have some sort of power which can fuck up the lynch. This would be a nightmare. Why do you think he used his power and why claim it in thread? Also what do you think of VE? | ||
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Seems more likely that if Coag is mafia he is just being coag and doing dumb shit. | ||
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Seems really clear that Coag is mafia a high % of the time. Nuked one of the most likely people to be town and someone who had an inventor item (mafia may not have realized it was a one shot when they decided to nuke him). And now Coag is just trolling and not even trying to save himself. Everyone should be lynching Coag just to prevent any sort of shenanigans. VE, who besides coag/jcarl do you think is mafia. Why did you not consider jcarl's power before deciding to check him? | ||
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Would a role block stop an inventor's item working for someone or only prevent them from using their own powers? | ||
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If coag did somehow do this as town and he also decided to target one of the people most likely to be town who also might have had an invention then coag is so dumb they would need to invent a new word to describe it. | ||
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I really wonder why my shot on MZ did not work. I doubt very much that mafia would waste a rb on me when my attack only does 125 dmg. So either kassadin stopped my attack or something protected MZ. If the hosts reply that roleblocking does not stop inventions then there is a chance the invention would have worked but MZ lied about using his clone n1 and used it n2 stopping the invention and my shot. | ||
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coag didnt have to post in the thread so seems he was just being a monkey. Does anyone have the updated sign up list? Need to see who else is going to take damage. | ||
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would a role block prevent an inventors item from working or just that players powers Mocsta I kind of doubt coag suicided just to give someone town cred. Would not be worth it at all. We shouldnt immediately assume anyone who took splash is definitely town of course tho. | ||
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-JonnyLaw -Rean -Roffles -Oatsmaster -coag ??? With me/you/marv/supersoft/VE/LSB/BC/MZ town? Even if you move 1 of them over I find it hard to believe the scum team is virtually all useless lurkers. Oats looks pretty much exactly like XLIII where he was useless the entire game as town. | ||
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Do you think roffles as mafia would vote switch repeatedly day1 without posting in thread, drawing attention to himself just to annoy VE. Then votes for himself and basically just stops playing? I mean it is possible but looks more like a townie who doesn't care at all. | ||
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On December 11 2013 02:31 sandroba wrote: I really don't think MZ is scum given that Coag and JL were not on austin. This seems like a pretty weak reason for someone to be town. JL hasn't even flipped and coag is coag he just randomly puts his vote wherever. You can't expect him to vote optimally to save a possible teammate. If anything if you look at the vote timing his vote put roffles in the lead to be lynched right after MZ had taken over the lead. So doesn't really mesh with mz being town and roffles being scum either. | ||
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On December 11 2013 02:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Meh, what really gets my goat is that there were so many replacements that we ran out RIGHT when I needed one. Anyway, you guys should just lynch me tomorrow to clear the air. I've used my laser and my checks have apparently been bad so fuck it right? I'm useless, and people think I'm scum, just lynch me and get some clarity up in this piece. Now isn't the time for a pity party VE. If you are town you can prove it by helping. I may call your actions scummy but I am looking for the best possible play here and it is why I continue to talk to you and ask you questions. | ||
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On December 11 2013 02:49 VisceraEyes wrote: It's not a pity party - I'm not the one who mentioned my RL problems sand is. I'm talking about the game here - I've been trying to help, and you ignore that to say that I'm useless. Let me show you what useless looks like friend.  Not referring to your RL problems. I just mean this, since I have said you haven't helped town you will just take your ball and go home instead of putting any effort into helping. People have called me useless many times, I was annoyed last game when supersoft insulted me repeatedly and talked about how terrible I must be but I don't cry about it, if you are town then suck it up and show me I am wrong. | ||
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Also fuba you tried to do damage to risen last night but you say it was blocked? Risen took 325 damage. JTA you gave him 225 or something? Who dealt the rest? | ||
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Sand can you post a case on JL or at least explain how you are so sure. I have been suspicious of JL but I would like more than just your word that he is scum before we focus the entire town's kp on him. | ||
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Looking at the draft order it seems like JL is the only one who could reasonably try for kassadin. Unless someone took a gamble on it late in the draft. If we believe scum have kassadin seems like a pretty good target. | ||
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On December 11 2013 06:03 Risen wrote: I either 150 split between two or 300 myself. I'm giving myself a 300 shield. I've been shot for a very significant portion of my health thanks to idiots. The only other person in this game I'd even consider shielding is rayn. Risen, if you are town then you should see that we are organizing the town kp so you would likely only be shot by mafia. I kind of doubt mafia are going to shoot town leader Risen tonight. I feel like if sandro is town they will probably shoot him tonight, him/ticklish would be nice to protect. Super maybe ok also. | ||
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LSB/MZ neither of you have claimed your second powers. What are they? | ||
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On December 11 2013 09:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: That's WIFOM bullshit. Look at the thread. I was under no suspicion. What possible motivation do I have to lie at that point? Like I'd get your point if I had cloned last night and then announced to the thread my role but I did it N1. My role has been outed since Mig said he shot me. Also, I never got a PM saying I had taken damage, the first time I learned of it was when people brought it up to me in the thread. If I hadn't cloned, I would have taken the damage. Why wouldn't I claim this damage in the thread? Why lie? The logic path you're assuming I went on makes no sense at all. I have considered it! Whether you cloned or not it wouldn't matter. Whatever result I got back would confirm things one way or another. The main issue I have is why didn't I get a result n2. I very much doubt mafia are going to waste a rb on me n2 (they apparently didn't rb VE?). So unless kassadin stopped me why didn't I get a result on you. To me it makes sense that maybe I hit a clone and don't get results back from it. Anyway though! I am not that concerned with whether you used a clone or not once I found out the invention was blocked by rb as well. I am a bit concerned with your supposed second ability. Most peoples hidden ability is at the very least as strong if not stronger than their first. Your claimed second ability is insanely bad. A one shot 50 dmg nuke on 3 people. Really? Seems a bit fishy. MZ who do you think is scum? What do you think about the plan on focus firing JL? | ||
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On December 11 2013 09:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Again, who the fuck cares if you have 900 or 700 or 600 hp as scum? When town starts consolidating all KP on one target then it might become a problem. Rayne it isnt just about kp. His clone takes his spot for all abilities. If he was afraid of the invention or afraid of a check (not sure what a dt check would show on his clone) etc he could use the clone. | ||
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MZ who do you think is scum? | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:06 supersoft wrote: So far everyone had his ult as second abilitie. I am not sure about Leblanc since I don't play her, but mimic is the ult right? Khazix had a lot of abilities and somehow didn't fit in this pattern, too. What's the name of your second abilitie? I got my ult. ziggs got his ult Feast is my 2nd ability, which is his ult | ||
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I will say I think it is more likely for a townie to use clone n1 but saying it would confirm MZ is incorrect. | ||
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Maybe he is slightly more townie to use clone n1 but he has 2 abilities and he probably cant use them the same night so if he sits around and does nothing he won't be able to use all his abilities for awhile. Most people don't plan to live that long and don't save their powers in the hopes they make it to n4+. And the fact that the rb blocked the invention makes it so even if MZ lied and used his clone n2 that wouldn't prove he was scum. So MZ you think gtrs/lsb/koshi are mafia. Which of them do you want to lynch tomorrow? What do you think about JL? | ||
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I can also shooting someone like JL see his hp and town will know how much is needed to potentially kill him. | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:42 mkfuba07 wrote: Mocsta: You think everyone targeting a single person during the night is a good idea? Do you think it is a good idea fuba? Are you concerned about possible traps? | ||
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Is JTA around? He can incinerate during the day right? Can kill JL now. | ||
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On December 11 2013 12:02 JonnyLaw wrote: It backs up what I said earlier. He's clearly playing town and gets people off his back and on better lynch targets. His play might not be the best but it's transparent. I took 500dmg. Started 850 then 125n1 and 500 now. Who are you referring to JL? Also JTA if you do see this don't shoot right away. We have all day can think about this. | ||
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Why wouldn't jcarl have warned the thread when this was being discussed and seriously why the fuck would jcarl give a lantern to jay instead of protecting someone who actually has a power. | ||
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Really need to hear from supersoft about his checks. | ||
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Rayn didn't Risen say he forgot to send in a night command? Also, supersoft you still got a result back from your check, even tho jay had the lantern? Seriously where is fucking jcarl I want to hear why he gave jay the lantern. | ||
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Rayn, I do not know what Risen did with his power just telling you what he said. A lot is going to depend on if JL flips scum. If he flips scum then you know that if Risen were mafia he could have shielded him and didn't. So if that happens then I am inclined to believe Risen was just being a retard. | ||
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On December 12 2013 00:03 Mocsta wrote: umm. his HP could only be between say 800-950HP realistically based on KP hero flips. 850 was a safe estimate. We already knew he took dmg Night 1, so was around the 750HP mark. Town had the potential to stack at least 300kp on him. A shield of 300, leaves his hp @ 750... pretty clear something suspicious occurred. You say that but we have no idea if mafia has other medics, etc. And how is 850 hp a safe estimate lol. We already know some people have 1k+ hp. If he survived with like 500 hp would we really be that suspicious that he must have been saved by risen. I doubt it. Anyway we can discuss this again if JL flips red. | ||
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On December 12 2013 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Every role has at least 1 hidden ability. Risen has not claimed what his is. I thought Risen's hidden ability was the shield? Or is shield part of his mason power? | ||
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Jcarl's lantern plan seems somewhat plausible to me I suppose. Seems like kind of a ridiculous plan to make up and lie about as mafia, and for what gain? Apparently SS check went through and saw that jay is indeed a VT so not like mafia was trying to hide jays role. | ||
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Kush and Roffles need to role claim. The most recent list I could find was this jcarlsoniv - Thresh kushm4sta - ?? Rean - VT JonnyLaw - ?? (not VT)---Evelyn ticklishmusic - Taric gtrsrs - VT (possible) Roffles - ?? Onegu - Malhazar VisceraEyes - Lux Risen - Karma supersoft - Twisted Fate raynpelikoneet - Shen Mocsta - VT (possible) Mig -Cho'gath Oatsmaster - ??--VT (confirmed) jaybrundage - VT (confirmed) LSB - Tryndamere Koshi - Viktor mkfuba07 - KP Townie---fiddlesticks justanothertownie - ?? (not VT)---annie sandroba - Fiora Meapak_Ziphh - Wukong We know nearly every role and most of the secondary powers. We also know mafia has a roleblock, we should be able to narrow this down to only a few possible people. | ||
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MZ -2nd power Onegu - 2nd power LSB - 2nd power Mocsta/kush/gtrsr if any of them are lying about being VT Roffles. Not a lot of possibilities here. Teemo Roffles? | ||
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He also posted this On December 07 2013 14:53 gtrsrs wrote: since 2 powers have rage quit can I attempt to draw another power? Kinda like dota where if your teammate dcs you split his gold? So yea there are almost no possibilities for a mafia rber Roffles MZ- second power LSB - second power Onegu - second power kush | ||
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On December 12 2013 12:21 Roffles wrote: Perhaps Pretty sad reason if you ask me. Would think you have been around long enough you would have a more mature attitude. And who cares about a warning anyway. | ||
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On December 12 2013 12:43 sandroba wrote: Many. Just don't see how we can afford to have this man avoiding modkill and being dead wait forever. For all we know he could be the sk if there is one. I'm sure that if he isn't scum mafia wont get rid of him for us. Maybe a better solution would be to try to shoot him at night but I fear our kp is running short. What do you suppose we do? It is possible that Roffles is mafia and just told his team he was quitting so they didn't care about bussing him I suppose. But it is definitely a large concern. Looking at the timing both of them voted Roffles when it was very close, Coag's vote put Roffles into the lead and then JL's vote tied him for the lead after Meapak was out front at 7. But then again looking at Teemos abilities his ulti is a mushroom trap. There is a possibility that the trap roleblocks people. Fuba tried to attack roffles the night he was rbd and his invention didn't work. If teemo could place his trap on himself then it could make sense. Mehhhhhh annoying situation. I am pretty confident that I want to lynch MZ. For the second target I am probably between LSB/Jay/Roffles. | ||
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Coag is sometimes just a monkey and I believe he just monkeyd out. There is no way trading himself to just distract the town from MZ would make any logical sense. So looking into why Coag posted in thread with his nuke is in my opinion pointless. | ||
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Rayn who do you think is the mafia rber? I really would like to hear from Onegu right now. | ||
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But Meapak is claiming he has Decoy + nimbus strike as his 2 abilities. And nimbus strike is so insanely weak it would be the weakest ability in the game. When every single flip shows that people have their ulti and MZ is claiming an insanely weak hidden power it seems incredibly fake. Rayn how do you explain MZ apparently not having an ulti when every single other person that we know of does? | ||
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On December 13 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did you not hit JL for 350 KP? Because I could use my hp ability see exactly how much was needed to kill him. It didn't look like we had enough kp to finish jl in 1 night because sandro didn't claim his ulti so I only knew of me + fuba hitting him. | ||
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But seriously look Me - feast (ulti) Twitch - spray and pray (ulti) Thresh - box (ulti) Leblanc - mimic (ulti) zigs - mega inferno bomb (ulti) Taric - radiance (ulti) Lux - final laser thing (ulti) Fiddlesticks -crowstorm (ulti) Shen - united we stand (ulti) evelyn - agonys embrace (ulti) supersoft - gate or whatever it is (ulti) Yet somehow MZ doesn't have his ulti! How can anyone believe him. He has a pro mafia 2nd power so he lied and fakeclaimed a different one without realizing that he needed to fake claim his ulti, since literally every single other player has theirs. | ||
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Karma - mantra (ulti) Fiora -blade waltz (ulti) - sandro hasn't claimed the name but looking at the description it fits exactly. So we are looking at a sample of 14/14 at the bare minimum here. Seems pretty indisputable. Even LSB has claimed a power which matches his ulti in LoL. | ||
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Rayn do you think I am town now? I have only tried to shoot mafia 3 nights in a row. | ||
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1) Chez said rayn used his protection power. His protection stopped 2 abilities, not kp. And we know he used it on you because 1) chez wasn't able to copy your invention power and 2) if he hadn't used it on you why would mafia claim to have done so in the first place? Why wouldn't they roleblock the inventor? Assuming you are town there is no mafia motivation to protect you with a hidden ability. 2) Rayn has been way too emotional/angry. I don't think he can fake how over the top he becomes when he gets in arguments with people. 3) Just compare his length of filter/effort/tone to XLIII, they are incredibly similar. And Rayn was wrong about almost all the scum last game, and now he is wrong this game. Shouldn't come as a surprise and doesn't make him scum. So yea don't try to lynch Rayn. Maybe far down the line you can consider it but for now he would be a terrible target. | ||
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The only way it could have happened was if Mafia have yet another roleblocker on their team some. There is 0 chance they used odin's 1 shot rb to rb fucking Risen. Then combined with the fact that he "forgot" to send in a night action last night. Seems pretty suspect. If we look at the possible other roleblocker candidates the only ones possible are kush (lying about VT) Roffles That is pretty fucking unlikely. For whatever reason I think Kush is town and day2 when the lynch was close between roffles/austin/MZ 2 scum voted roffles instead of austin to save MZ. | ||
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Small chance Roffles is still mafia and he told his team he gave up and they didnt give a fuck about bussing him for credit and for credit for MZ. | ||
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Mocsta has some really weird stuff going on with his VT claim. He initially claims he was a 1k VT. On December 02 2013 13:06 Mocsta wrote: Im vt with 1k hp He then later claims he is a tank minion with 1150 hp? On December 11 2013 20:21 Mocsta wrote: (A) I''m not lying. As already mentioned *I* was hit for 150dmg so I am sitting at 1000hp. Mig can easily do a HP check on me to verify I have >850hp These things don't mesh oh but luckily Mocsta claims to have taken 150 damage last night to bring his hp total down to 1k. How would he have taken 150 damage? Considering the known roles and the fact that mafia killed 4 people last night I doubt they wasted any kp on him. I don't know why Mocsta would lie about this stuff but maybe he doesn't have 1k hp either? Maybe he is a caster minion and he is trying to hide his 50 kp, and he planned on fake claiming more damage tonight and that is how Rayn/Risen took 25 dmg yesterday. It seems like a bizarre thing to lie about honestly, so many lies to cover up just 50 kp but there is definitely some discrepancies which don't make sense. 1) differences in claimed hp total 2) taking 150 damage last night 3) Rayn taking 25 damage (if risen is mafia they definitely would not have targeted them with 25 dmg on purpose) A lot of weird stuff! | ||
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Risen I don't suspect super right now. His tone is similar to last game, his throwing the trap card on me makes sense from a townie supersoft mindset. | ||
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On December 09 2013 02:17 Mid or Feed wrote: Host correction: HP Changes (totals): Chezinu 900 damage Mig 50 damage VisceraEyes 50 damage raynpelikoneet 100 damage Risen 325 damage Coagulation 50 damage ticklishmusic 749 damage HP Checks: | ||
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On December 14 2013 00:51 Koshi wrote: I think Mig will die tonight D: I believe so also! | ||
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Jcarl we need to see exactly what your lantern supposedly does. | ||
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"Chezinu -> spies on Koshi, rayne, jcarlsoniv and Mig to see what they are doing" If chez checked jcarl also then his check would work on you as well because the lantern links the 2 people. According to jcarl anything that targets him targets the lantern user also. | ||
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Like if Risen is mafia they just dont click the lantern and then shoot you and you couldn't really think Risen was the most townie person to give it to you could you??? Now we cant shoot Risen tonight even though we almost certainly caught him in a lie. What a freaking nightmare. What I think happened is n1 Risen used mantra so that n2 when he bonded with someone it would prevent them from going to another person. A sort of semi roleblock. This is the only thing that makes sense because why would mafia rb Risen n1 instead of other targets and really there just arent any possible rbers left. | ||
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So now we should pick a new target to focus the town kp on. Probably either jay or Mocsta | ||
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Scum just dont activate the lantern and then shoot you if they want lol. How does giving the lantern to scum do anything. | ||
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On December 14 2013 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mig this can't be true because Risen targeted me N2 and i took damage from supersoft's card. It is still a mystery why i took 100 dmg when i was supposed to take 50. I considered this but are we sure your taunt makes you visit other people? Your taunt brought super to you not the other way around. | ||
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So let's talk about who else we want to shoot. Should probably discuss a good koshi invention also. I doubt they have any rbers left so they will either have to kill koshi or let him invent something nice. | ||
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On the list redirects happen before roleblocks. So you could still taunt super even with Risen trying to hold you in place? | ||
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Anyway tho. Even if I wanted to believe Risen there just isn't any other possible rbers out there, besides a small chance that kush or roffles are a full time rber. And even then why rb risen of all people. It seems like Risen lied about being rbd so he could use mantra/other ability. Yes it really fits if mocsta is mafia and has been lying about what type of Vanilla he is. It seems a weird thing to lie about but looking at mocsta's posts there are definitely inconsistencies in there. And why did he take 150 damage last night. Do we really believe mafia just randomly hit mocsta of all people with 150 damage? So I say all the town kp should focus mocsta. I will get a hp check back on him and we will have an idea about whether he is telling the truth about his life or not. | ||
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Koshi we cant believe anything Risen says if we think he is mafia. There is no way to know whether he is actually linked. Looking at jaybs filter he went insanely hard after Austin. Which helped to save MZ. Certainly pretty suspicious. And I have always been suspicious that he supposedly tried to take lux with one of the final picks. Should have been obvious by then somebody else would try to take lux. | ||
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You apparently have a role that can do 225 dmg at night or day but you aren't annie. You shot Risen and the damage wasnt shared with Rayn. Risens ability says they only share what happens through abilities. It may not share kp and if you just have a 225 kp shot that is a good reason that shooting Risen only hurt him and not also Rayn. It appears supers card damage was shared between them (unless there is an extra 100 kp floating around unaccounted for). You also are the only person in the game who hasn't claimed and doesn't seem to want to. Bit fishy if you ask me! | ||
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On December 14 2013 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look, again. I do not think i was linked with Risen when the shot went through. The mason started on D3, not on N2, i would assume the link starts at the same time. This is possible but I am not sure. Looking at the order of things, redirect is the first one. I think technically being linked would count as a redirect? If you are right tho there is 100 kp missing. | ||
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That is a pretty nice ulti. 4 225 shots day or night. I will say if you were SK I would expect you to just claim annie. Seems like easy cover. So ok that is enough for me to drop it for now if you have a role you think it would benefit scum to know. | ||
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Anyway, unfortunately the reality is Risen will say absolutely anything to save himself both as town and as scum so it is pretty tricky to tell which is which. So I am inclined to just go with the facts and the facts are 1) you claim rb n1 which is nearly impossible. Mafia does not appear to have any rbers left and town certainly doesn't have any. And even if there were some hidden rber we missed why would they ever rb you instead of someone like VE or rayn. 2) you spent like 50 messages in your qt with rayn discussing how to use your powers and you then apparently just forgot to send in a night action lol. These 2 things combined make you look really shady and it looks like you are lying so you can use a hidden power or mantra or god knows what. If you can come up with a good explanation for how you were rbd n1 then I am all ears. | ||
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Nobody is going to shoot you Risen so link yourself to whoever you want I suppose! I guess the best thing if you are town is to link to someone scummy and then mantra so they cant move away from you. Not sure if that would stop mafia kp or not but there is a chance. | ||
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Koshi coming through in the clutch to make some great inventions like a boss. Great job by Sandroba, driving force behind the JL and Mocsta kills. | ||
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WoS I don't think you should be blaming yourself really. You could have been a bit tougher on the people getting out of line early on but really I would say it was mostly just bad luck that you got a group of players who either had to replace/be modkilled. Perhaps this says more about the LoL community! (jk) I doubt very much that anyone didn't want to play the game because of your setup. The setup was great with a huge amount of fun roles and secret abilities. Anyway, even tho you may have went through some stress hosting this game I definitely think you should host a LoL 2 in the future. Would be a shame for all the unpicked roles to never see the light of day! | ||
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