EPTOn December 05 2013 02:09 jaybrundage wrote:
IM HELPING :D Yay for content.
I think VE is scum. I thought I had made it clear with my early play that i was town. Thats why im confused as to why VE couldn't read me well. He was pretty sure i was town early on. But recently changed my mind. I thought it might have been my fault for not playing town well enough. But then Prom (Isn't Doofus a bit harsh T_T) came and read me easily so my town play was self evident to an extent.
But then I remembered that this switch from VE felt familiar. Going back thru his games and in two games he played as scum. He defends me day 1 and saves me to use as a mislynch later on in the game. 2 Times he does this
(Note this is a meta based case)
The first was Nomination + Show Spoiler + Soft Defending me by bashing a case made on me. Knowing I'm town and reading me well or so it seems. But whenever its convenient for him. He drops me as a town read and knows he can get an easy townie mislynch off me cause im often lynchbait. + Show Spoiler +
This isnt even the only time it happens the second game this happened was in Hero Mini Mafia. VE starts off as defending me as I can be easy lynchbait day 1. + Show Spoiler +
Diverting the lynch from me Day 1 and saving me to cook up and get an easy mislynch later on. He does it twice calling me town and then turning around and trying to lynch me later on in the game to secure an easy mislynch. + Show Spoiler +
VE knows how I play he can read me. However he called me town early on and he was right. He didn't want me to get lynched day one and he put an early halt on greptit's push on me. This is beginning to get common place VE don't let people lynch me day 1 and then use me as a mislynch later on. Here was it this game.
Soft Defending me.
Calling me town cause I demonstrating my town like play and he knows whos town. He always defends me day 1 so no lynch gets pushed on me.
More Defending. He slowly changes his opinion so that it be suspicious.
He changes it up. From an easy read of town early game. He starts to change it up and wants to not make it suspicious when he wants to swing a mislynch on me.
Till He turns it around and wants to lynch me. I wouldnt be suprised if he was planning to right up a case on me tommorow or just go with thread sentiment as I'm an easy mislynch and let me be lynched. /meta
Also the "reluctant" vote knowing that Bum is town.
HOWS THIS FOR CONTENT VE YOU SCUMMER.
IM HELPING :D Yay for content.
I think VE is scum. I thought I had made it clear with my early play that i was town. Thats why im confused as to why VE couldn't read me well. He was pretty sure i was town early on. But recently changed my mind. I thought it might have been my fault for not playing town well enough. But then Prom (Isn't Doofus a bit harsh T_T) came and read me easily so my town play was self evident to an extent.
But then I remembered that this switch from VE felt familiar. Going back thru his games and in two games he played as scum. He defends me day 1 and saves me to use as a mislynch later on in the game. 2 Times he does this
(Note this is a meta based case)
The first was Nomination + Show Spoiler +
On February 11 2013 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
This is prplhz' first post with content. I think this post clearly illustrates his scum mindset. My biggest problem with the post is the bolded statement. He already knows Djodref's alignment! Why can't Djodref be scum just putting junk in the thread? He calls it ridiculous himself, it's not going to help anyone find scum...he didn't even put himself in the damn lynch pool when determining the target! So why is it so clear to prplhz that Djodref's nonsense is "some sort of scheme to draw out scum"?
This post is regarding JX on D1...the timeline should be clear by the content. The thing I don't like about this post is that in spite of it going to lengths to explain how he was trying to divine JX' alignment, it's clear to me from this post that he already did. Look at the last line (particularly the italicized bit). It's like he was trying to show disinterest in the lynch while keeping a door open to vote for him if he needed to.
The lynch went the way scum wanted apparently because he can be found hard defending JX in the form of his laughable sheep onto Snarfs' "case" on me.
It's important to note here that prplhz has, up to this point, had ZERO strong scum reads. Even his jaybrundage read is ambiguous and unclear.
This is all I can manage today. I had started describing my adventures through filterland after this, but I'm super pressed for time today and won't be back until after lynch.
For todays lynch, it's clear (at least to me) that slOosh is trying to illustrate that he'll be here and active tomorrow. I'm not getting that feeling from Palmar at all - he still feels as distant from the game as he did at this point D1.
However.
Palmar is apparently reading prplhz the same way I am and slOosh wants me dead. Frankly I don't even get why, but the fact is that I think I'll have a shot at getting prplhz lynched tomorrow with Palmar around. Therefor I'm voting for slOosh. Sorry slOosh, stop reading me as scum when I'm town. Also your phagga read is bad because the main thrust of it is a meta analysis between a post from a different game mostly through D1 and a post in this game from the very beginning of D1. If you'd pull your head out of yourass tunnel then you'd see that most of your scumreads are you drawing associations to phagga or your read of phagga, and I think you're wrong about phagga.
##Vote: slOosh
This is prplhz' first post with content. I think this post clearly illustrates his scum mindset. My biggest problem with the post is the bolded statement. He already knows Djodref's alignment! Why can't Djodref be scum just putting junk in the thread? He calls it ridiculous himself, it's not going to help anyone find scum...he didn't even put himself in the damn lynch pool when determining the target! So why is it so clear to prplhz that Djodref's nonsense is "some sort of scheme to draw out scum"?
This post is regarding JX on D1...the timeline should be clear by the content. The thing I don't like about this post is that in spite of it going to lengths to explain how he was trying to divine JX' alignment, it's clear to me from this post that he already did. Look at the last line (particularly the italicized bit). It's like he was trying to show disinterest in the lynch while keeping a door open to vote for him if he needed to.
The lynch went the way scum wanted apparently because he can be found hard defending JX in the form of his laughable sheep onto Snarfs' "case" on me.
It's important to note here that prplhz has, up to this point, had ZERO strong scum reads. Even his jaybrundage read is ambiguous and unclear.
This is all I can manage today. I had started describing my adventures through filterland after this, but I'm super pressed for time today and won't be back until after lynch.
For todays lynch, it's clear (at least to me) that slOosh is trying to illustrate that he'll be here and active tomorrow. I'm not getting that feeling from Palmar at all - he still feels as distant from the game as he did at this point D1.
However.
Palmar is apparently reading prplhz the same way I am and slOosh wants me dead. Frankly I don't even get why, but the fact is that I think I'll have a shot at getting prplhz lynched tomorrow with Palmar around. Therefor I'm voting for slOosh. Sorry slOosh, stop reading me as scum when I'm town. Also your phagga read is bad because the main thrust of it is a meta analysis between a post from a different game mostly through D1 and a post in this game from the very beginning of D1. If you'd pull your head out of your
##Vote: slOosh
On February 21 2013 02:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I'm starting to understand what's happening here.
Oatsmaster, Jaybrundage, phagga
Here's my theory. Check out jay's post regarding me. Notice how he's pushing this idea that I wasn't Nominated because I'm scum. It seems sound in theory, except that I haven't been at the pinnacle of my game this game - I defended phagga against slOosh, I defended Oatsmaster against Mocsta - I've been inadvertently playing for the scumteam all game. Why would they want to get rid of me?
jaybrundage has been crying "best mislynch NA" all game, like he does every game these days...except, if that's the case, then why hasn't scum tried to mislynch him yet? Something to consider. He wanted me gone bad on D3, and like everyone, is (somehow) convinced that the D3 lynch was between 2 scum. You need only look around today at the state of town, two mislynches away from losing the game, to see that this CAN NOT have been the case. I think debears is onto something with his case on jaybrundage. I think jay is scum.
Oatsmaster has been a little harder to read, mainly because I'm not familiar with his play. He's taking sheeping to a whole different level this game. Go read his filter - he has asked who he should lynch every cycle. I wrote him off as town early in the game based on his interactions with Mocsta, but if you look through his filter it's apparent that he hasn't done shit this game. And then out of nowhere today, I'm a scumread for him. I'm not buying it. This cycle was planned, and the plan was "discredit/setup VE for mislynch".
phagga is the weakest of my reads after rereading - but after rereading I'm also of the opinion that the three Nominees are all town, leaving phagga in the "could be scum" demographic for me. I didn't like slOosh' case on him (for reasons I stated) but he's right in that phagga keeps backing down from his scumreads (though somehow I bet he's just fine with his read on me) and isn't doing any scumhunting.
To me, tomorrow's lynch should be jaybrundage>Oatsmaster>phagga
VE should not be lynched because VE is town.
Okay, I'm starting to understand what's happening here.
Oatsmaster, Jaybrundage, phagga
Here's my theory. Check out jay's post regarding me. Notice how he's pushing this idea that I wasn't Nominated because I'm scum. It seems sound in theory, except that I haven't been at the pinnacle of my game this game - I defended phagga against slOosh, I defended Oatsmaster against Mocsta - I've been inadvertently playing for the scumteam all game. Why would they want to get rid of me?
jaybrundage has been crying "best mislynch NA" all game, like he does every game these days...except, if that's the case, then why hasn't scum tried to mislynch him yet? Something to consider. He wanted me gone bad on D3, and like everyone, is (somehow) convinced that the D3 lynch was between 2 scum. You need only look around today at the state of town, two mislynches away from losing the game, to see that this CAN NOT have been the case. I think debears is onto something with his case on jaybrundage. I think jay is scum.
Oatsmaster has been a little harder to read, mainly because I'm not familiar with his play. He's taking sheeping to a whole different level this game. Go read his filter - he has asked who he should lynch every cycle. I wrote him off as town early in the game based on his interactions with Mocsta, but if you look through his filter it's apparent that he hasn't done shit this game. And then out of nowhere today, I'm a scumread for him. I'm not buying it. This cycle was planned, and the plan was "discredit/setup VE for mislynch".
phagga is the weakest of my reads after rereading - but after rereading I'm also of the opinion that the three Nominees are all town, leaving phagga in the "could be scum" demographic for me. I didn't like slOosh' case on him (for reasons I stated) but he's right in that phagga keeps backing down from his scumreads (though somehow I bet he's just fine with his read on me) and isn't doing any scumhunting.
To me, tomorrow's lynch should be jaybrundage>Oatsmaster>phagga
VE should not be lynched because VE is town.
This isnt even the only time it happens the second game this happened was in Hero Mini Mafia. VE starts off as defending me as I can be easy lynchbait day 1. + Show Spoiler +
On December 11 2012 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Morning all. I read through the thread...I'm underwhelmed with Palmar's entrance, and my vote on marv served its purpose (getting him to play like he cares about the game).
##Unvote
The case on jay seems to revolve around his lack of commitment to his "scumread" on thrawn based on the miller claim. First of all, I have to say - I don't find that to be particularly damning. First of all, the posts in question were from the first six hours of D1. Secondly, it occurs to me that "I don't really like early bandwagons" is more likely to come from a town player than a scum player. Think about it - while Clarity claims that's "classic scum mindset", is that classic scum play? I agree that scum players tend to not like early bandwagons, but do they come into the thread citing that as their reasoning for avoiding voting for one of their "scumreads"? I think not, considering how it's "classic scum mindset" ya know?
To be honest, I can see town jay acting the way he's acting regarding thrawn. Not interested in lynching jay today.
"But VE, who would you like to lynch today?"
Calm down bish I'm getting there. Based on what I'm seeing, I think Vivax and Palmar could be scum together. First of all, Vivax has this problem with my interest level? Goes so far as to throw times of posts into the mix to appear that he's carefully watching the thread...except, Palmar has shown that he not only doesn't care about the game, he doesn't care about his own alignment in the game.
Unfortunately, I've seen Palmar do this as town, so I'm not putting much stock into Palmar's end of it. But Vivax....Vivax is in here actively trying to put suspicion on me for having a townread on thrawn. Literally. I even explained in detail why I thought thrawn was joking, which by the way, he was by his own tongue.
I think Vivax is trying to fake contribution. I think he's trying to appear active while doing nothing of value. He claims that in spite of his "analysis" of my actions, he'd STILL vote for thrawn, based on the stale-ass fake-claim. I'm calling bullshit.
##Vote: Vivax
Morning all. I read through the thread...I'm underwhelmed with Palmar's entrance, and my vote on marv served its purpose (getting him to play like he cares about the game).
##Unvote
The case on jay seems to revolve around his lack of commitment to his "scumread" on thrawn based on the miller claim. First of all, I have to say - I don't find that to be particularly damning. First of all, the posts in question were from the first six hours of D1. Secondly, it occurs to me that "I don't really like early bandwagons" is more likely to come from a town player than a scum player. Think about it - while Clarity claims that's "classic scum mindset", is that classic scum play? I agree that scum players tend to not like early bandwagons, but do they come into the thread citing that as their reasoning for avoiding voting for one of their "scumreads"? I think not, considering how it's "classic scum mindset" ya know?
To be honest, I can see town jay acting the way he's acting regarding thrawn. Not interested in lynching jay today.
"But VE, who would you like to lynch today?"
Calm down bish I'm getting there. Based on what I'm seeing, I think Vivax and Palmar could be scum together. First of all, Vivax has this problem with my interest level? Goes so far as to throw times of posts into the mix to appear that he's carefully watching the thread...except, Palmar has shown that he not only doesn't care about the game, he doesn't care about his own alignment in the game.
Unfortunately, I've seen Palmar do this as town, so I'm not putting much stock into Palmar's end of it. But Vivax....Vivax is in here actively trying to put suspicion on me for having a townread on thrawn. Literally. I even explained in detail why I thought thrawn was joking, which by the way, he was by his own tongue.
I think Vivax is trying to fake contribution. I think he's trying to appear active while doing nothing of value. He claims that in spite of his "analysis" of my actions, he'd STILL vote for thrawn, based on the stale-ass fake-claim. I'm calling bullshit.
##Vote: Vivax
On December 11 2012 16:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
I changed my mind. I think jaybrundage is scum.
After his first post on thrawn in which he says he’s suspicious, he asks my opinion of the matter. I gave it, and that’s the last that was heard about it. Why did he want my input? He never referenced anything I said, or even acknowledged that I said it. I believe that he was just trying to get someone to agree with him regarding thrawn.
It really makes me uncomfortable when someone else speaks for me, and in this post jaybrundage is telling thrawn that I don’t believe his claim. I didn’t believe his claim, but because I thought his claim was a joke considering that the OP is explicit in the fact that millers are not self-aware. Therefor, I thought his claim was funny. But I certainly didn’t think he was LYING about his claim with any malicious intent. It doesn’t make sense for me to think that he thought that I would believe that claim based on what the OP says.
But jaybrundage is telling thrawn in no uncertain terms that I, VisceraEyes, think that he’s lying about his claim for no reason. And that’s not the case.
He then goes on to say that “...It only makes sense from a mafia perspective.” But that’s not true either is it? If thrawn is to be believed, he did it as a joke and to “spark discussion” and “ignite conversation” and such. Which, if he’s town, is a reasonable (if misguided) motivation.
The thing that I don’t like about this post isn’t even that it’s self defeating in the fact that Djo had, in fact, voted in the game thread...which shows that he’s not only not reading the thread, but is closely watching the voting thread...the opposite of what he’d have you believe in the post quoted above. It’s not that. Look at what Djo is saying. He’s saying he believes thrawn was joking too, and is asking someone about their thoughts on anyone else.
So he’s ignored my response regarding thrawn. Now he’s insidiously trying to discredit Djo (calling out his not-really-ninja vote in the voting thread) rather than respond to his post requesting discussion outside of thrawn. It all starts to stink like scum pushing an agenda to me. Especially considering, in spite of all of this...
....HE TAKES IT ALL BACK ANYWAY! That's right, after the whole song and dance about being SOO FRUSTRATED with how he wasn't being paid attention to, and how his motivations only make sense from scum perspective, and in the face of people he has SPECIFICALLY asked their opinion of disagreeing with him, and EVERYTHING....he takes it all back anyway. Because thrawn said it was a joke and it was to generate discussion. Cool. Die.
##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: jaybrundage
I'm going to go reread Vivax now and see if I still think he's scum. This changes things, because I had intended to spend this time writing a case on Vivax...but after reading the votecount and realizing that this jayb wagon was for real, I thought I'd check into him first. I'm glad I did, but now jaybrundage is voting for Vivax as well. We'll see what a reread brings.
I changed my mind. I think jaybrundage is scum.
After his first post on thrawn in which he says he’s suspicious, he asks my opinion of the matter. I gave it, and that’s the last that was heard about it. Why did he want my input? He never referenced anything I said, or even acknowledged that I said it. I believe that he was just trying to get someone to agree with him regarding thrawn.
On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote:
Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective
Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective
It really makes me uncomfortable when someone else speaks for me, and in this post jaybrundage is telling thrawn that I don’t believe his claim. I didn’t believe his claim, but because I thought his claim was a joke considering that the OP is explicit in the fact that millers are not self-aware. Therefor, I thought his claim was funny. But I certainly didn’t think he was LYING about his claim with any malicious intent. It doesn’t make sense for me to think that he thought that I would believe that claim based on what the OP says.
But jaybrundage is telling thrawn in no uncertain terms that I, VisceraEyes, think that he’s lying about his claim for no reason. And that’s not the case.
He then goes on to say that “...It only makes sense from a mafia perspective.” But that’s not true either is it? If thrawn is to be believed, he did it as a joke and to “spark discussion” and “ignite conversation” and such. Which, if he’s town, is a reasonable (if misguided) motivation.
On December 10 2012 11:03 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey Djo can you do us all a favor and type in your vote here when you decide to vote for someone one in the voting thread. It would help out alot and i rather not have to check it till the end of the day.
Hey Djo can you do us all a favor and type in your vote here when you decide to vote for someone one in the voting thread. It would help out alot and i rather not have to check it till the end of the day.
The thing that I don’t like about this post isn’t even that it’s self defeating in the fact that Djo had, in fact, voted in the game thread...which shows that he’s not only not reading the thread, but is closely watching the voting thread...the opposite of what he’d have you believe in the post quoted above. It’s not that. Look at what Djo is saying. He’s saying he believes thrawn was joking too, and is asking someone about their thoughts on anyone else.
So he’s ignored my response regarding thrawn. Now he’s insidiously trying to discredit Djo (calling out his not-really-ninja vote in the voting thread) rather than respond to his post requesting discussion outside of thrawn. It all starts to stink like scum pushing an agenda to me. Especially considering, in spite of all of this...
On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote:
I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers.
And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me.
Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases
On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum.
##Vote Vivax
(Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.)
I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers.
And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me.
Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases
On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum.
##Vote Vivax
(Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.)
....HE TAKES IT ALL BACK ANYWAY! That's right, after the whole song and dance about being SOO FRUSTRATED with how he wasn't being paid attention to, and how his motivations only make sense from scum perspective, and in the face of people he has SPECIFICALLY asked their opinion of disagreeing with him, and EVERYTHING....he takes it all back anyway. Because thrawn said it was a joke and it was to generate discussion. Cool. Die.
##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: jaybrundage
I'm going to go reread Vivax now and see if I still think he's scum. This changes things, because I had intended to spend this time writing a case on Vivax...but after reading the votecount and realizing that this jayb wagon was for real, I thought I'd check into him first. I'm glad I did, but now jaybrundage is voting for Vivax as well. We'll see what a reread brings.
VE knows how I play he can read me. However he called me town early on and he was right. He didn't want me to get lynched day one and he put an early halt on greptit's push on me. This is beginning to get common place VE don't let people lynch me day 1 and then use me as a mislynch later on. Here was it this game.
Soft Defending me.
Calling me town cause I demonstrating my town like play and he knows whos town. He always defends me day 1 so no lynch gets pushed on me.
More Defending. He slowly changes his opinion so that it be suspicious.
He changes it up. From an easy read of town early game. He starts to change it up and wants to not make it suspicious when he wants to swing a mislynch on me.
Till He turns it around and wants to lynch me. I wouldnt be suprised if he was planning to right up a case on me tommorow or just go with thread sentiment as I'm an easy mislynch and let me be lynched. /meta
Also the "reluctant" vote knowing that Bum is town.
HOWS THIS FOR CONTENT VE YOU SCUMMER.
VE comes full circle with this post making clear his intentions to try to lynch me even tho he knows im not scum as demonstrated by his easy reads of me day 1. Hes scummy as fuck and after we kill Coag I think we should kill VE.
On December 10 2013 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Frankly, I didn't check the op because I assumed the revealed power WAS the lantern - it was the only one mentioned in the thread (I'm assuming because it's been a factor) so I just assumed that the lantern was the revealed power. That was my bad for not checking the OP, and I agree that it was a poor choice.
That being said, I think JayB is scum. He's been hiding inside this VE tunnel for as long as he's been participating in the game. I pressured him D1 and ever since then he's had a "scumread" on me, yet he has done nothing to actually try and prove it to town and has done nothing to try and get information about "my team" from me. He's faking contribution and I think he's scum.
I think there's scum inside Roffles/LSB/gtsrs, but unfortunately there's no way for me to prove that outside of saying "look guys, they clearly obviously don't give a shit about the game" and that's not alignment indicative in this game apparently.
I also think supersoft is scum. He's typically very outspoken with his reads, and very confident in his reads. This game he's been fading into the background, and I feel like he's happy to be there.
Frankly, I didn't check the op because I assumed the revealed power WAS the lantern - it was the only one mentioned in the thread (I'm assuming because it's been a factor) so I just assumed that the lantern was the revealed power. That was my bad for not checking the OP, and I agree that it was a poor choice.
That being said, I think JayB is scum. He's been hiding inside this VE tunnel for as long as he's been participating in the game. I pressured him D1 and ever since then he's had a "scumread" on me, yet he has done nothing to actually try and prove it to town and has done nothing to try and get information about "my team" from me. He's faking contribution and I think he's scum.
I think there's scum inside Roffles/LSB/gtsrs, but unfortunately there's no way for me to prove that outside of saying "look guys, they clearly obviously don't give a shit about the game" and that's not alignment indicative in this game apparently.
I also think supersoft is scum. He's typically very outspoken with his reads, and very confident in his reads. This game he's been fading into the background, and I feel like he's happy to be there.
