PYP: League of Legends Mafia - Page 2

On December 03 2013 08:53 LSB wrote:

I think this is the most important thing that needs to get done and that's why I am pushing for it so hard. I do not understand why you think I should "give this up" an idea that you admit is "pro town". I am more concerned about doing things that will be very important to the town as a whole, and someone needs to do this and I decided to do it.

If you want a scum read I'd say I'd read you as red, I can understand if you are saying stop yelling for massclaim because it is bad for XYZ. But to say stop yelling for massclaim even though it is a good idea stinks of casual sabotage. I would rather have your support for a plan you admit is "pro town" rather than attempting to dissuade it before it is completed.

On December 03 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It doesn't matter if the setup is closed, open, or semi-open.

On December 03 2013 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
My name is VisceraEyes, and I agree that if you're a VT you should claim who you picked.

geript caught me out big time in Boardwalk by trying to pick a power that I picked. Through a good bit of behavioral analysis, he even got the thread to lynch me. None of that would have been possible if he'd kept his mouth shut about what role he tried to pick...because I had a plan for that role and town knowing I had it really fucked it over.

If you're a VT you should claim who you picked.

On December 03 2013 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Scum can always coordinate their actions well because they have a team. Cooperation is a MUST for the town when everyone has a role. Otherwise people will just screw each other over when they for example roleblock scummy people (who end up being town) who have roles that are good for town.

If we massclaim we can coordinate all actions at towns best interest. If someone does not do what they are supposed to, they risk of being lynched due to lying, it does not matter if they are town or scum, you just coordinate all the powers regardless of affiliation. Someone fucks up = lynch. Of course scum might lie and not get caught, but if they lie on N1 they misght get caught on N4 for example, when people flip and we are able to confirm roles/actions.

Knowing all actions and assumed roles at all times is highly beneficial because there is no room for scum to hide with power.

On December 03 2013 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What? Oats and kushmasta are quite obviously town.

Do you think gtrsrs and JonnyLaw are scum, like honestly? gtrsrs did just make a case based on completely false setup information? Like he totally faked it? JohnnyLaw does not know which player list to look into when discussing things about player-mover roles. Do you really think scum are not that aware of the setup or do you think they are faking it here?

What separates ticklish from let's say Rean? ticklish came in and this is what he did:
"i had a scumread on rayn, but after 2 days of looking into his past games i don't anymore"
"i don't remember why i had a scumread on him"
"my townread is based on him now being abrasive, which he is as town"
"i however do not mention how that is different from his scumgames while i was asked about it"
"i might not post much because i wanna get to know people's playstyles before making judgement on them -> i need to read their past games first"
"but kushmasta is scum, that i can say - while other people tell this is what he does as town"

and geript's push on Oats is ridiculous, he takes some aspects of Oats' play and fits them into something Oats has once done as scum. That's not meta, that's bullshit. Especially considering Oats does all those things as town.

seriously marv?

On December 03 2013 20:30 marvellosity wrote:
Why do you think I put them under "do not lynch"?

Hello?

On December 03 2013 20:43 marvellosity wrote:

My issue with ticklish being mafia is:
1.I believe he went away and read rayn towngames. Lazy lurky mafia won't usually do this
2.He actually found inconsistency in kush's filter. Now this doesn't make kush mafia obviously, but it does mean tickling was attentive enough to notice
3.his posts have a IDGAF feel about them.

On December 03 2013 22:29 geript wrote:

There aren't other horses I like. I don't trust Oats push on LSB. Sure the Oats scum storyline makes sense, "Well I can't drop this because it's not happening because then people will instantly call me scum for not 'believing in /pushing' my plan". Sure it makes sense, but the flip side is also true as town you're likely to push that shit regardless. Also, Rayn I'm pretty sure is scum. He was a big push in the graves ban. More importantly town Rayn doesn't consider voting his early town reads. Like never and especially not D1. I think he's being opportunistic in who he's targeting.

On December 03 2013 12:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

This is horrible horrible reasoning for a townie.

a) who cares what you are, I am of the opinion that the less information we give the scum team the better
b) being concerned about getting lynched is a very scum oriented mindset, townies have nothing to fear from the lynch because they are inherently innocent, it is a scum mindset to focus on not getting lynched.
c) nobody cares about how much damage you do, you took a scum role, it should never be used
d) the collateral damage your role does means it should never be used to target one person

Seriously LSB it's pretty clear you are not looking at this from a town angle. This is a PYP game, there are so many unknowns that the less kp townies throw around the better. The last thing I want to see is for this town to shoot itself to death while scum laugh their way to gg. You throwing kp around indiscriminately is the most blatantly anti town thing done in this thread so far.

On December 03 2013 23:39 jcarlsoniv wrote:
@jat: what was the purpose of that post, aside from linking quotes from 4 different people to make it really long?

So you don't like the way M_Z is attacking LSB, but you think LSB should die. Do you think M_Z is scum?

On December 03 2013 23:43 marvellosity wrote:
jat, your post is pretty bad.

I did answer his questions after rayn posted again. I've been in a few games with rayn where he called me mafia because I didn't line up with his thought process, though he seems to have gotten over that which is nice.

I don't really understand why you're nitpicking at me because it should be fairly obvious I'm town by this stage, much the same as you're having a go at geript for calling rayn mafia when rayn is obviously town (which has already been done by me indeed, but you may as well do it again, right?)

On December 04 2013 00:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
jat, I'm fine with you quoting posts to respond to, that's normal.

that doesn't excuse the fact that you didn't actually say anything in your post

On December 04 2013 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno why you need to be ovely defensive about your posts length JAT. Is there any specific reason why you say "i am capable of making one-liners too"?

On December 03 2013 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
I don't even know what jat's issue is so I'm just going to ignore it. I explained myself and jat just repeated what he already said. It can wait anyways.

On December 04 2013 02:43 Rean wrote:


I don't give a fuck if he does this regularly, there is NO WAY anyone should be allowed to say that ever.

On December 04 2013 02:45 marvellosity wrote:

I'm not really setup-man so I don't have any particular opinion other than what I've already stated - claimed VTs should claim what they tried to choose originally.

There are probably ones that I missed but this includes
Rean
Mocsta
OdinofPergo

I'm sure various claiming will be useful at some point but I don't think that point is now.

On December 02 2013 09:07 LSB wrote:
Okay here is my DANGER DANGER list of roles who I want public. Should mafia get their hands on them and use them to their own devices it is basically gg. Viktor, Heimerdinger, Tryndamere, Janna, Kha'Zix

On December 03 2013 03:34 LSB wrote:
Responses to things pointed at me
On not banning mafia roles:
Comeon guys, if someone picks and uses a mafia role, you kill em because they are scum. No sane townie would ever use the mafia role.

On December 03 2013 11:55 LSB wrote:
My night action is gonna be to move 3 up. Though unless some friendly helper would like to give me more KP, it's gonna be more like a feather than a hammer

On December 03 2013 12:04 LSB wrote:

Yo, there have been multiple people questioning whether or not I'm actually Tyr and multiple people questioned whether even if I am Tyr if my self reported damage is correct. Sitting on my role is a horrible horrible idea and the quickest way to get lynched day 2.

Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason

On December 04 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote:
People voting LSB here is what I think:
It is only possible LSB is scum if bum is scum.

If Bum is town and LSB is scum, LSB wouldn't have taken trynn, because his team would have told him not to do so since Bum was probably going to take it.
If Bum is scum and LSB is scum, he could have dropped it to LSB, but I don't think that's the most likely scenario.
If Bum is scum and LSB is town and just replaced in and didn't read bum's plans he could have went for tryn. This seems likely to me because LSB only noticed Bum didn't follow his own plan after BC called out bum on it.
The other scenario is bum and lsb are town, which is also possible.

But the base line is, if you think LSB is scum vote Bum first. I bet you any amount you want that if LSB was scum and just replaced in he would have consulted with his team before picking something and they would have told him Bum was planning on picking trynn.

On December 04 2013 05:41 LSB wrote:
I picked my role to check to see if it was taken. It was on my list of dangerous roles and given I had last pick, my chance of getting a role I wanted was very low, so I spent my pick trying to figure out if the role had been taken.

What I plan on doing with Tyr- There will be three actions I will restrict myself to this game
1) Verify my role claim, a one time action in which I will attempt to verify that I have this role. I will announce my use of this action well before the night post
2) Move one space to damage someone I believe is mafia. I will not be using this ability night 1 atm, I will announce my usel of this action well before the night post.
3) Do nothing.

What I plan on doing tonight
If Bum is lynched - I will do nothing
If Bum is not Lynched - I will verify my role claim by moving up three spaces.

On December 04 2013 06:08 LSB wrote:

I don't think you understand what I posted. I am more interested in finding out the existence (and if they do the location) of the power roles and denial of their abilities to maifa. As last pick I understand the chances of me getting a role is very little, so it is far more important for me to use my pick as a way to verify the existence of a role rather than attempting to actually get a role. As last pick my optimal play is to pick a random role and that fell on tyr.

On December 04 2013 06:31 sandroba wrote:

If Bum took trynn as scum, he wouldn't ever be able to justify using it. Trynn is actually terrible for scum. It's pretty obivious when you are moving 5 pos and hitting people randomly that you aren't town. And if you don't plan on doing that why take it in the first place? Better to take some concentrated kp to eliminate threats quickly.
But if he faked taking trynn and took something else it would give him town cred for never using the ability plus it would allow him to use whichever other role without suspicion. Too bad for him LSB didn't read the thread and randomly took trynn.