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On December 06 2013 13:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm thankin marv was scum. Like I didn't wanna say it when he was in the game but he's not now and I think his slot is probably scum. Disqus.
Wholly disagree. Marv felt exactly like how he did in a previous game I played with him. He also shut down some major fights between me and others. Plus, I can't see Marv replacing out when he's playing the scum game of the century.
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On December 06 2013 13:26 geript wrote:
@Austin. Yah he's combative but I'm not quite sure I've seen a townie be that adversarial before. I think I've only seen it in myself when I've played on another site where I've had like 80 different exceptionally negative experiences. I mean I literally called out the whole scum team (and I wasn't bussing) and got lynched instead and then got called least valuable townie for that game. I've seen it in only a couple people, and it was mainly a town thing. There was some dude in a newbie or two of mine that was SUPER combative as town, really really really so, and then lurked hard as scum.
Or like...I think of VA as super combative. He's just way less verbose about it, but he'll combat you like a mothereffer.
I don't think Jonny is mafia.
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On December 06 2013 13:25 OdinOfPergo wrote:
VE, what leads you to believe Marv slot was scum?
Like he was playing lazy, which he said, but he was active as hell. Like, not spammy active, but way more active than some of the lurkers.
Gut mostly, to be honest.
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I think he town-read me too easily. I think part of his lazy plan would be to make me do something, but he was letting me just coast by. Like he was saving me for later or something. I don't know, I get paranoid about him and it was real bad this game.
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VE your vote on me is a bad vote and you should remove it.
If you are solely killing lurkers, kill a different lurker.
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On December 06 2013 13:35 austinmcc wrote:
VE your vote on me is a bad vote and you should remove it.
If you are solely killing lurkers, kill a different lurker. So you are comfortable with a policy lynch on lurkers; just not you, correct?
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On December 06 2013 13:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 13:35 austinmcc wrote:
VE your vote on me is a bad vote and you should remove it.
If you are solely killing lurkers, kill a different lurker. So you are comfortable with a policy lynch on lurkers; just not you, correct? Nope. But if VE's goal today is to kill a lurker, he should vote a not-me lurker.
I prefer lynching scum, and right now would target MZ.
Like so.
##vote: MZ
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To mocsta and geript. I read Jonny and some case stuff.
Please read MZ
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On December 06 2013 13:40 austinmcc wrote:
To mocsta and geript. I read Jonny and some case stuff.
Please read MZ hmm, i suppose thats fair.
Will do it later tonight though. soz
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DIE AUSTIN. DIE SCUMMY SCUM SCUM.
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Kk. Gonna try and peek at sand, mocsta, and oats.
Rean looks funky from just pushing me all day for no reason to begin with. rayn and JAT should be town. VE unknown right now.
I would assume this isn't an entirely townie list of votes on me, so maybe I find something in those guys? Probably just looking at short filters tonight though.
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On December 06 2013 13:27 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 12:29 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Also, here you guys go, my response to Onegu's case.
#1) Who other than basically solely Rayn scum hunted Day 0? This statement is calling me scum for doing the same thing 30/31 players are doing. Do you honestly me expect me to be able to find scum based on 90% of the post during this phase concerning someone specific knowledge on Lol?
#2) Your first quote about my LSB vote.
Mmk, and if you read my meta... out of every single mafia game I've been in, regardless of alignment, I'm hard pressed for time. How does this make me scum?
#3) You skip the rest of my post here. The fact I don't hard push for a different read I acknowledge as being questionable. I also gave a reason in the thread to as why I wasn't doing it. Yes, per Bum's filter I found him as possible scum. I mention that as I had re-read it I was skeptical that he was confirmed scum. So what's wrong with me putting my vote on the only counter wagon that I could get behind at the time? Also was it not obvious that Bum (With like 12-13 votes and LSB, the runner up, was not gaining any votes per Sandro's argument) was going to indeed go through D1? Read my filter. You obviously glanced over it, why are you omitting so much?
#4) How was my Kush case bad? Do people honestly believe that? I thought my train of thought was pretty obvious. The only reason I gave it up without a hard push was because my town reads at the time told me to drop it. The main reasoning for dropping it was meta related iirc. What is wrong with me trying to get Kush games to meta read off of? I mention I didn't have time THAT NIGHT to read them. .. . ... Re previous comment that is in this post.
Your extra observations.
#1) I didn't want to ban talon.
K, so you're saying every game that has a scum God-father in it is a insta town loss? I don't believe you at all. I banned my priority bans. Talon wasn't one of them. So what?
#2) What's wrong with me adjusting my stance when I think about something? What's wrong with me changing my read on the subject per more than 3/4'th of the thread hasn't actually gone into this plan yet. I say exactly what I meant there. I'm not disagreeing with the plan, just saying unless people get on board the only thing it is accomplishing is outing roles for mafia to target. This makes me scum.... how?
You're next post after that is verifying my point I just made. These post are a train of thought but you're trying to break them up. I don't understand why you are doing it. The fact I was just shooting my thoughts into the thread when they popped into my mind, and you are trying to twist it into a scum read is mind boggling.
Your last quote against me.
I'm scum for posting a update on my feelings on a player at the time makes me scum?
Over-all you're entire case I feel is a bunch of WIFOM and just trying to frame me to look bad.
Point one wasnt that big of a deal, yes most people didnt scum hunt. But up until your vote on kush all of your reads are very wishy washy with no firm stances. Why bring it up then?2. Ok you are hard pressed for time, but the fact is you made a case on LSB where you said you could write much more. But until the rime you unvoted you didn't mention LSB except when it related to roffles interaction with him and only in passing. Never pushed a LSB lynch to the thread. And then you jump off of him because his wagon wasn't going to go through. Seriously? I just told everyone to read my filter. Since no one is inclined let me break it down.
Odin - I would have been asking questions much earlier but I have a migraine.
Thread - Silence.
Odin - Sleeping on the couch......
People can either choose to believe this or not.
It is the truth and I will not lye and fabricate false explanations for it.
If I'm scum because of it well, you'll know if I was indeed lying when I flip.3. Please quote what I omitted, I quoted everything relevant to LSB and BUM from the point you put your vote on jay to the lynch. I didmt leave anything out and you saying I did is completely false. Point above??? 4. One you made a case that points to lazy not scum. And its the fact again that you never followed up. You completely drop it, when you later mention your scum reads kush isn't one of them. When I posted my Kush case who said lazy?
Let me answer for you:
Answer: No One!
Let me tell you who told me to drop it because this is usual Kush meta.
Answer: Pretty much the entire thread (No one was actively trying to gain traction with me except like one other person... who mentioned it way later... and I also forgot who it was..[yes convenient for me I know!])!
5. The talon thing obviously wasn't a big deal. It was the fact that you thought godfathers are found out anyway as your basis for not banning him. And how do you get me saying whenever scum gets a godfather town auto lose. In no way did I say that, you said they are always found and that's why we shouldn't ban talon. I'm saying sometimes they are found sometimes they aren't, so not banning him based on that is weird. How else am I suppose to interpret your post bring a point against me on not banning a GF? "He didn't ban GF, thus add scum points" ... If you are not implying this is agains't town win condition why bring it up at all? 6. ok this point I misread a bit. I drop this part. I thought you didn't want to do it at all when before you did wamt to do it. My bad. This and only this point conceded. 7. My point is you never have strong feelings on anyone at that point, and you vote someone you don't have strong feelings for. please stop misinterpreting 1/3 page long cases as not strong feelings for" I already mentioned why I thought this. I was already questioned about my vote at the time, I did explain it, and no one said squat against it. I wasn't 100% sure with a Bum lynch.... Thus why is me running on my third read (Behind LSB/Bum ... leaves Jay. I had doubt about Bum so..... LSB/Jay and then Bum!) at the time giving you scum vibes?I dont understand how you think its all wifom and I am trying to frame you. Or how you say I omitted things, I didnt and welcome you to quote what you think I did.
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@Austin. Not at home. I'll read him and you. Please provide a link to or quote of a case or bullet points on reasons.
@VE. You like me noted the odd easy majority on Bum and how it makes your ass itch. It makes mine tingle and not in a good way. Why didn't you do like me and start pushing a different lynch?
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Side note while reading Sand.
He asks rean to keep thread in line and focus votes and whatnot. Rean says yup yup, love me some yelling at people.
Rean doesn't yell at anyone.
IIRC, someone found Rean townie because of him agreeing to yell at folks, it was like...too outgoing to be scum D0? Someone posted this. I remember them quoting those posts and calling him town.
That is super duper wrong because again, Rean doesn't keep people in line. Rean doesn't super discuss things. If rean is mafia, the person who said that looks worse imo.
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On December 06 2013 13:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
DIE AUSTIN. DIE SCUMMY SCUM SCUM.
Why do you have to make posts that make me think you're scum. 
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Does anybody else find this Odin-Onegu thing weird. I can't place my finger on it right now.
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Think what you will The longer it goes on the less I contribute tonight... so will the thread find it really awkwards if I comepletely ignore him until tomorrow to focus on... you know.... important stufff? (As per I intended to do in the first place.............)
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On December 06 2013 13:46 geript wrote:
@Austin. Not at home. I'll read him and you. Please provide a link to or quote of a case or bullet points on reasons.
@VE. You like me noted the odd easy majority on Bum and how it makes your ass itch. It makes mine tingle and not in a good way. Why didn't you do like me and start pushing a different lynch? - MZ starts strong-ish, pushing gtr with a fine earlycase. He COMPLETELY fades after this, and pressures nobody really.
- Here is my point on MZ pushing/"pushing" LSB D1
On December 04 2013 11:27 austinmcc wrote:MZ's interactions with LSB felt very...fluffy. Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 14:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I also really don't like LSB's claim. He's probably telling the truth about the role, but tryndamere is such a scum role it feels like he's trying to hide in plain sight by claiming it. He's barely posted so I can't really draw on a correlation between his behavior and possible motives for claiming but I don't like it and will be keeping a close eye on how he uses the role.
But let's leave gut feelings aside for now and get to some actual scum hunting. MZ doesn't like his claim but thinks he's telling the truth but might be hiding in plain sight and hasn't posted enough to draw conclusions about behavior. Then half or the majority of his posts from yesterday are just him sniping at LSB. + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim. On December 03 2013 12:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:04 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim. Yo, there have been multiple people questioning whether or not I'm actually Tyr and multiple people questioned whether even if I am Tyr if my self reported damage is correct. Sitting on my role is a horrible horrible idea and the quickest way to get lynched day 2. Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason This is horrible horrible reasoning for a townie. a) who cares what you are, I am of the opinion that the less information we give the scum team the better b) being concerned about getting lynched is a very scum oriented mindset, townies have nothing to fear from the lynch because they are inherently innocent, it is a scum mindset to focus on not getting lynched. c) nobody cares about how much damage you do, you took a scum role, it should never be used d) the collateral damage your role does means it should never be used to target one person Seriously LSB it's pretty clear you are not looking at this from a town angle. This is a PYP game, there are so many unknowns that the less kp townies throw around the better. The last thing I want to see is for this town to shoot itself to death while scum laugh their way to gg. You throwing kp around indiscriminately is the most blatantly anti town thing done in this thread so far. On December 03 2013 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:29 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 03 2013 12:04 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim. Yo, there have been multiple people questioning whether or not I'm actually Tyr and multiple people questioned whether even if I am Tyr if my self reported damage is correct. Sitting on my role is a horrible horrible idea and the quickest way to get lynched day 2. Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason This is horrible horrible reasoning for a townie. a) who cares what you are, I am of the opinion that the less information we give the scum team the better b) being concerned about getting lynched is a very scum oriented mindset, townies have nothing to fear from the lynch because they are inherently innocent, it is a scum mindset to focus on not getting lynched. c) nobody cares about how much damage you do, you took a scum role, it should never be used d) the collateral damage your role does means it should never be used to target one person Seriously LSB it's pretty clear you are not looking at this from a town angle. This is a PYP game, there are so many unknowns that the less kp townies throw around the better. The last thing I want to see is for this town to shoot itself to death while scum laugh their way to gg. You throwing kp around indiscriminately is the most blatantly anti town thing done in this thread so far. It is evident that we have significantly different opinions on playing the game. I have no idea why you would think I would not be all for verifying people's roles when I have made it a significant part of my Roleclaim crusade. wow, way to complete ignore everything I said, while at the same time verify my points that you aren't approaching this game from a town perspective. Roles =/= alignment, all you've done is blue hunt. The only people who benefit from that info are scum. Since gtrsrs looks like he's headed for a modkill might as well put my vote somewhere useful ##Unvote
##Vote: LSB On December 03 2013 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
To recap, all LSB has done is fish for blues.
On top of that, he's interested in confirming himself "so he doesn't get lynched." He's gonna use KP to confirm himself like I can't get over how anti town that is. And going back to his claim, I said this early on too, it has the feel of a scum trying to hide in plain sight by claiming a blatantly anti town role. On December 03 2013 12:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:35 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wow, way to complete ignore everything I said, while at the same time verify my points that you aren't approaching this game from a town perspective. Roles =/= alignment, all you've done is blue hunt. The only people who benefit from that info are scum. I don't you have read my filter at all Are you drunk? Because that would explain a lot of what's happened over the last couple hours. On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB
For the love of all that is town
Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting On December 03 2013 12:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:40 OdinOfPergo wrote:
so per my previous post... his logic doesn't matter in the past few hours as alls he's done in the past day and a half is still bad. You said it yourself odin, LSB's actions this game have appeared scum motivated. On December 03 2013 13:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:51 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB
For the love of all that is town
Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting Seriously? You seriously think the best way to make sure said KP isn't being thrown around is to let roles have free will over what to do? Last thing we need is a Heimerdinger getting two turrets out, or an Urgot making a focus fire on one champion an instakill. I have said time and time again that KP related roles should be claimed so they can be held accountable should they participate in suspicious actions. Okay, if you are vet/dt/medic you don't need to claim if you do not, but awnser this. Why shouldn't Vanilla Town Claim who they tried to pick or KP related roles claim the same? This is complete fearmongering and speculation. However: (1) It doesn't feel like he's pushing his LSB scumread in the same way he pushed his townVE read, or even his very early bit on gtrsrs. He's directly engaging LSB, but rarely, if ever, is asking other people about LSB, trying to get their votes, etc. It's just...poking at a dude who is doing scummy stuff, over and over. (2) I can understand finding "blue hunting" scummy. But in PYP games, THIS HAPPENS. People get caught based on picks, roles, power usages, it's...it's part of a PYP game. It's not odd for someone to hunt, and it's not TERRIBLE to hunt because it DOES catch a mafia or two in a lot of/most PYP/PTP games. I don't like MZ using the phrase "blue hunting" without ever seeming to discuss or consider that this is a different beast than a normal game, and blue hunting may not be the most scummiest thing ever. - Look at his posts on Koshi during N1 and D2. Or whenever they are. He SAYS Koshi is not a lynch option, b/c inventor. But he spends ALL HIS EFFORT calling koshi scummy and poking at koshi. He's rarely in thread, and when he is, he uses that time to push a dude that he admits town won't lynch as scummy.
That's the quick and easy starter. His filter LOOKS like he's identifying easy targets (LSB, inventor-only-never-townie-poster Koshi) and then just poking at them (amg blue hunting, amg you do nothing), despite never really pushing LSB at all and admitting that Koshi isn't a lynch.
Jonny isn't pushing lynches. MZ also feels like he's not pushing lynches. Except he's been around a fair bit longer and, imo, should be throwing more weight around behind his lynch choices.
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@VE can you clarify your stance on austin please? It looks like you are voting him reluctantly.
Why the focus on lurkers??? There really aren't that many more lurkers this game than any of game of this size. yes there have been a lot of replacements but this degree of lurking should be expected.
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On December 06 2013 13:47 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 13:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
DIE AUSTIN. DIE SCUMMY SCUM SCUM. Why do you have to make posts that make me think you're scum.
That's cause you are biased to want to be right.
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