EPTOn December 06 2013 13:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
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On December 06 2013 13:27 Onegu wrote:
Point one wasnt that big of a deal, yes most people didnt scum hunt. But up until your vote on kush all of your reads are very wishy washy with no firm stances.
Why bring it up then?
2. Ok you are hard pressed for time, but the fact is you made a case on LSB where you said you could write much more. But until the rime you unvoted you didn't mention LSB except when it related to roffles interaction with him and only in passing. Never pushed a LSB lynch to the thread. And then you jump off of him because his wagon wasn't going to go through.
Seriously? I just told everyone to read my filter. Since no one is inclined let me break it down.
Odin - I would have been asking questions much earlier but I have a migraine.
Thread - Silence.
Odin - Sleeping on the couch......
People can either choose to believe this or not.
It is the truth and I will not lye and fabricate false explanations for it.
If I'm scum because of it well, you'll know if I was indeed lying when I flip.
3. Please quote what I omitted, I quoted everything relevant to LSB and BUM from the point you put your vote on jay to the lynch. I didmt leave anything out and you saying I did is completely false.
Point above???
4. One you made a case that points to lazy not scum. And its the fact again that you never followed up. You completely drop it, when you later mention your scum reads kush isn't one of them.
When I posted my Kush case who said lazy?
Let me answer for you:
Answer: No One!
Let me tell you who told me to drop it because this is usual Kush meta.
Answer: Pretty much the entire thread (No one was actively trying to gain traction with me except like one other person... who mentioned it way later... and I also forgot who it was..[yes convenient for me I know!])!
5. The talon thing obviously wasn't a big deal. It was the fact that you thought godfathers are found out anyway as your basis for not banning him. And how do you get me saying whenever scum gets a godfather town auto lose. In no way did I say that, you said they are always found and that's why we shouldn't ban talon. I'm saying sometimes they are found sometimes they aren't, so not banning him based on that is weird.
How else am I suppose to interpret your post bring a point against me on not banning a GF? "He didn't ban GF, thus add scum points" ... If you are not implying this is agains't town win condition why bring it up at all?
6. ok this point I misread a bit. I drop this part. I thought you didn't want to do it at all when before you did wamt to do it. My bad. This and only this point conceded.
7. My point is you never have strong feelings on anyone at that point, and you vote someone you don't have strong feelings for.
please stop misinterpreting 1/3 page long cases as not strong feelings for" I already mentioned why I thought this. I was already questioned about my vote at the time, I did explain it, and no one said squat against it. I wasn't 100% sure with a Bum lynch.... Thus why is me running on my third read (Behind LSB/Bum ... leaves Jay. I had doubt about Bum so..... LSB/Jay and then Bum!) at the time giving you scum vibes?
I dont understand how you think its all wifom and I am trying to frame you. Or how you say I omitted things, I didnt and welcome you to quote what you think I did.
On December 06 2013 12:29 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Also, here you guys go, my response to Onegu's case.
#1) Who other than basically solely Rayn scum hunted Day 0? This statement is calling me scum for doing the same thing 30/31 players are doing. Do you honestly me expect me to be able to find scum based on 90% of the post during this phase concerning someone specific knowledge on Lol?
#2) Your first quote about my LSB vote.
Mmk, and if you read my meta... out of every single mafia game I've been in, regardless of alignment, I'm hard pressed for time. How does this make me scum?
#3) You skip the rest of my post here. The fact I don't hard push for a different read I acknowledge as being questionable. I also gave a reason in the thread to as why I wasn't doing it. Yes, per Bum's filter I found him as possible scum. I mention that as I had re-read it I was skeptical that he was confirmed scum. So what's wrong with me putting my vote on the only counter wagon that I could get behind at the time? Also was it not obvious that Bum (With like 12-13 votes and LSB, the runner up, was not gaining any votes per Sandro's argument) was going to indeed go through D1? Read my filter. You obviously glanced over it, why are you omitting so much?
#4) How was my Kush case bad? Do people honestly believe that? I thought my train of thought was pretty obvious. The only reason I gave it up without a hard push was because my town reads at the time told me to drop it. The main reasoning for dropping it was meta related iirc. What is wrong with me trying to get Kush games to meta read off of? I mention I didn't have time THAT NIGHT to read them. .. . ... Re previous comment that is in this post.
Your extra observations.
#1) I didn't want to ban talon.
K, so you're saying every game that has a scum God-father in it is a insta town loss? I don't believe you at all. I banned my priority bans. Talon wasn't one of them. So what?
#2) What's wrong with me adjusting my stance when I think about something? What's wrong with me changing my read on the subject per more than 3/4'th of the thread hasn't actually gone into this plan yet. I say exactly what I meant there. I'm not disagreeing with the plan, just saying unless people get on board the only thing it is accomplishing is outing roles for mafia to target. This makes me scum.... how?
You're next post after that is verifying my point I just made. These post are a train of thought but you're trying to break them up. I don't understand why you are doing it. The fact I was just shooting my thoughts into the thread when they popped into my mind, and you are trying to twist it into a scum read is mind boggling.
Your last quote against me.
I'm scum for posting a update on my feelings on a player at the time makes me scum?
Over-all you're entire case I feel is a bunch of WIFOM and just trying to frame me to look bad.
Also, here you guys go, my response to Onegu's case.
#1) Who other than basically solely Rayn scum hunted Day 0? This statement is calling me scum for doing the same thing 30/31 players are doing. Do you honestly me expect me to be able to find scum based on 90% of the post during this phase concerning someone specific knowledge on Lol?
#2) Your first quote about my LSB vote.
Mmk, and if you read my meta... out of every single mafia game I've been in, regardless of alignment, I'm hard pressed for time. How does this make me scum?
#3) You skip the rest of my post here. The fact I don't hard push for a different read I acknowledge as being questionable. I also gave a reason in the thread to as why I wasn't doing it. Yes, per Bum's filter I found him as possible scum. I mention that as I had re-read it I was skeptical that he was confirmed scum. So what's wrong with me putting my vote on the only counter wagon that I could get behind at the time? Also was it not obvious that Bum (With like 12-13 votes and LSB, the runner up, was not gaining any votes per Sandro's argument) was going to indeed go through D1? Read my filter. You obviously glanced over it, why are you omitting so much?
#4) How was my Kush case bad? Do people honestly believe that? I thought my train of thought was pretty obvious. The only reason I gave it up without a hard push was because my town reads at the time told me to drop it. The main reasoning for dropping it was meta related iirc. What is wrong with me trying to get Kush games to meta read off of? I mention I didn't have time THAT NIGHT to read them. .. . ... Re previous comment that is in this post.
Your extra observations.
#1) I didn't want to ban talon.
K, so you're saying every game that has a scum God-father in it is a insta town loss? I don't believe you at all. I banned my priority bans. Talon wasn't one of them. So what?
#2) What's wrong with me adjusting my stance when I think about something? What's wrong with me changing my read on the subject per more than 3/4'th of the thread hasn't actually gone into this plan yet. I say exactly what I meant there. I'm not disagreeing with the plan, just saying unless people get on board the only thing it is accomplishing is outing roles for mafia to target. This makes me scum.... how?
You're next post after that is verifying my point I just made. These post are a train of thought but you're trying to break them up. I don't understand why you are doing it. The fact I was just shooting my thoughts into the thread when they popped into my mind, and you are trying to twist it into a scum read is mind boggling.
Your last quote against me.
I'm scum for posting a update on my feelings on a player at the time makes me scum?
Over-all you're entire case I feel is a bunch of WIFOM and just trying to frame me to look bad.
Point one wasnt that big of a deal, yes most people didnt scum hunt. But up until your vote on kush all of your reads are very wishy washy with no firm stances.
Why bring it up then?
2. Ok you are hard pressed for time, but the fact is you made a case on LSB where you said you could write much more. But until the rime you unvoted you didn't mention LSB except when it related to roffles interaction with him and only in passing. Never pushed a LSB lynch to the thread. And then you jump off of him because his wagon wasn't going to go through.
Seriously? I just told everyone to read my filter. Since no one is inclined let me break it down.
Odin - I would have been asking questions much earlier but I have a migraine.
Thread - Silence.
Odin - Sleeping on the couch......
People can either choose to believe this or not.
It is the truth and I will not lye and fabricate false explanations for it.
If I'm scum because of it well, you'll know if I was indeed lying when I flip.
3. Please quote what I omitted, I quoted everything relevant to LSB and BUM from the point you put your vote on jay to the lynch. I didmt leave anything out and you saying I did is completely false.
Point above???
4. One you made a case that points to lazy not scum. And its the fact again that you never followed up. You completely drop it, when you later mention your scum reads kush isn't one of them.
When I posted my Kush case who said lazy?
Let me answer for you:
Answer: No One!
Let me tell you who told me to drop it because this is usual Kush meta.
Answer: Pretty much the entire thread (No one was actively trying to gain traction with me except like one other person... who mentioned it way later... and I also forgot who it was..[yes convenient for me I know!])!
5. The talon thing obviously wasn't a big deal. It was the fact that you thought godfathers are found out anyway as your basis for not banning him. And how do you get me saying whenever scum gets a godfather town auto lose. In no way did I say that, you said they are always found and that's why we shouldn't ban talon. I'm saying sometimes they are found sometimes they aren't, so not banning him based on that is weird.
How else am I suppose to interpret your post bring a point against me on not banning a GF? "He didn't ban GF, thus add scum points" ... If you are not implying this is agains't town win condition why bring it up at all?
6. ok this point I misread a bit. I drop this part. I thought you didn't want to do it at all when before you did wamt to do it. My bad. This and only this point conceded.
7. My point is you never have strong feelings on anyone at that point, and you vote someone you don't have strong feelings for.
please stop misinterpreting 1/3 page long cases as not strong feelings for" I already mentioned why I thought this. I was already questioned about my vote at the time, I did explain it, and no one said squat against it. I wasn't 100% sure with a Bum lynch.... Thus why is me running on my third read (Behind LSB/Bum ... leaves Jay. I had doubt about Bum so..... LSB/Jay and then Bum!) at the time giving you scum vibes?
I dont understand how you think its all wifom and I am trying to frame you. Or how you say I omitted things, I didnt and welcome you to quote what you think I did.
Last thing why is you haveing a migrane have anything to do with your vote switches or your reason for doing so? Any you commented on other things you just didnt push a LSB lynch. So I dont understand you haveing a migrane interferes with any of you vote switching or not pushing a case but still responding to other things. So again I didnt omit anything relevant and you have faild to point out what I omited even though you say I am trying to make you look bad.
