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On November 18 2013 23:04 yamato77 wrote: I predict a town victory. I predict the town to get a lead early and fall apart until the last scum makes a mistake. | ||
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TBH that happens in like every game on this forum so I don't know what game you are referencing. | ||
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On November 19 2013 09:34 Mocsta wrote: Sweet I'm in Thanks gm Cora get ready to get tunneled muahahahah Why tunnel me I'm gonna suck anyways | ||
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On November 19 2013 10:26 Mocsta wrote: What is? I thoight Sicilian was one of my better games He thinks it is silly because Marv has a personal goal to have at least 33% of all the posts in a game. | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:54 Mocsta wrote: In fairness. He is one of the few that can spam and speak coherently. I wonder how witty he is in real life Yeah I have to agree that unlike Rayn, who tends to spam and derail the town (no offense but Titanic man...), Marv pulls it off decently. It still bugs me though. | ||
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Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem. Now to my goals/early game statements: 1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either. 2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote. 3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos. On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote: Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post! mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other I'd like to say that mason falls under the role of "standard roles" and could be potentially in this set-up. Very intriguing... | ||
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Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it. | ||
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Can you explain your statement then? | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote: I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing. My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..." Your post said "you are mason?" So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing". | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote: The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. | ||
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On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler [cora] + On November 20 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote: My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..." Your post said "you are mason?" So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing". @cora You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason. + Show Spoiler [cora] + I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. @cora Guilty as charged. I dislike random bullshit phase. Just because most games start with a bunch of trolling doesn't mean we have to. I think we're actually doing quite well so far. Where in that post do I say he is claiming mason? I was making a comment on the possibility of there being a mason after thrawn's post. If it had said in the OP "no masons in this game", then wouldn't it be suspicious? You're grasping at straws here bro. The only thing I've seen from the early game is that you are looking pretty scummy right now. | ||
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On November 20 2013 13:01 Bereft wrote: and what's wrong with rocking the boat ridiculously early in the game? did you notice that mocsta also did the same thing? according to him, from the 1st page, aqua, sciberia, and I are scum. do you only take issue with sciberia's page 1 analysis only because it's about you? He didn't do it with just me. He told Moc and I that it was scummy that we made troll posts. At least Mocsta was direct in saying who he thought was scummy instead of sciberia who is only doing a "window looking" version of scum hunting. | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote: I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you[Bereft]. While sciberia simply misreads my posts and attacks me, yet doesn't give any conclusion to his read on me. Way less direct and clear then what Mocsta did. | ||
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On November 20 2013 13:18 thrawn2112 wrote: ##vote: cDgCorazon Is that you Marv? | ||
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On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote: @Corazon I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. | ||
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On November 20 2013 13:25 thrawn2112 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Cor, can you explain your thought process here? What was your read on scib when you made this post? On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. Was my above post sufficient or do you have more questions? | ||
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When I made that post, I was thinking along the lines of "I think sci's actions are looking pretty scummy." In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum. | ||
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Talking about town reads is silly. I'd rather just have 1 scum read from Aqua. | ||
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Would you vote someone on being the "least townie"? Talking about town reads is only good to high-five and pat each other on the back and compliment each other's town play. It doesn't get scum lynched. | ||
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On November 20 2013 13:47 Rean wrote: Sure, a good scum read is far more useful. But it might still say something useful. Put it like this, a town read and a scum read is better than just a scum read. In my opinion, a better thing to ask would be a scum read and someone you would like to know more about. That would facilitate a lot more discussion than only a town/scum read due to the fact that having a town read on someone doesn't do anything for discussion. | ||
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On November 20 2013 13:54 Rean wrote: Both are ways to get discussion going, which one is the better just depends on the situation/person I guess. Sometimes people don't have strong scumreads but get a strong townvibe from someone, it's always good for discussion. Think it just comes down to preference. Fair enough. I would like to hear Aqua's reads if he's done dodging Rean (although to be fair to him as well he did mention Thrawn's vote as a town indicator for him). | ||
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First of all, you skipped 11. Second of all, are you trying to say that sciberia and I would be shit-flinging at each other in order to...bus each other? Gain town cred for after the lynch? I don't understand why you are trying to ship sciberia and I together. If you didn't take a look at pregame, I made a bunch of comments about how towns self-destruct. As scum, I would let you guys shit-fight amongst each other and pick and choose my votes. @sciberia Put your vote where your mouth is. | ||
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On November 20 2013 15:53 sciberbia wrote: on Cora + Show Spoiler [quotes] + On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote: I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote: I understand some people view early trolling as part of the game, however, I would think you do not fall into this category. In fact, I would argue the above is completely out-of-character for a town Aquanim. On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote: post 5 Scum like to interrupt town circles, so dial down the tone will ya. I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you. On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. 1) The first thing I want to emphasize is a point brought up by Bereft. Cora singled me out for stating preliminary reads on the first page, but glossed over Mocsta doing the same thing. This inconsistency is suspicious because it suggests that his problem wasn't with the stating of reads (in which case he should have been equally bothered by Mocsta), but rather with me specifically stating suspicion on him. 2) Next, I find suspicious Cora's early criticisms of my play. At first, the criticisms had a tone of "sciberbia's play is bad" (but not scummy). + Show Spoiler [neutral criticisms] + On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote: Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it. On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. I find criticism of "bad play" in the first couple pages suspicious in general. Scum find it tempting to discredit townies and promote a negative town atmosphere. Townies on the other hand are more likely to be in a joyous mood after receiving their role PM, rather than antagonistic. 3) But specific to Cora, I'm troubled by the fact that when questioned about these posts by Bereft, Aquanim, and Thrawn, he retroactively analyzes my previous posts as scummy, whereas before his comments were noncommittal criticisms. If he really found my first few posts so scummy, the noncommittal criticisms are very unnatural. Originally he said this: + Show Spoiler [very alignment neutral] + On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. But then later this when questioned by thrawn: + Show Spoiler [scummy] + On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote: @Thrawn In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum. So according to Cora, he was thinking that I was scum simultaneously as he was writing that you cannot find scum on the first page? That's a pretty blatant contradiction and it seems more likely one that scum would make than town. I'd appreciate feedback on this case. I think it's the strongest one in the thread right now so ##Vote: cDgCorazon BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I'm going to bed. | ||
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First of all, most of Mocsta's filter analysis on me said that I had problems reading and that I was scummy. It's really shit casework from Mocsta because he's played multiple times with me and should know that I had a reading problem in general, whether I'm town or scum. The rest of his case is his confirmation bias and calling sciberia my scummate. Lol. I'm really surprised and disappointed that I got all the flak for the conversation between sciberia and I. In my opinion his actions were way more scummy and non-conclusive then mine and I believe that it is really hypocritical of everyone to attack me and simply ignore him. On Aqua: I really agree with a lot of the points raised up against him. What troubles me the most is that he basically attacked Ream for sticking up for me and starting attacking Ream when it looked like my lynch wasn't going to go down. It felt like he was trying too hard to keep the lynch on me and that is what troubles me. On others: I'm going to reread the thread but I already do not like the fact that sciberia and LoneMeow insist on keeping the conversation on me when the talk is about Aquanim. It's just making the town less focused and less able to discuss a good lynch candidate if they continue to ramble on about me. In my opinion, the first 24 hours should be allowed to free-flow and not have focused discussion (on one person) and the last 24 should be focus on the 2-3 wagons that pop up. I'm going to reread Aqua and then reread the rest of the thread (pgs 10-13). | ||
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I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game. That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". | ||
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My problem with Aquanim is that he goes from a very neutral stance on me: On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote: I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.) As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information. I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next. I still want an answer to this from you: To an all-out "he's scum!" stance without really having a transition between the two stances. It really troubles me that this was only after all of the cases on me came out. It just looks like Aqua just wants to follow thread sentiment for the big issues and branch out only for things related to his "reads". For example, his case on Rean screams to me that he wants to attack Rean for defending me. His case is weak and he blatantly lies about Rean's questioning of him and calls them not important when in fact he failed to read the reason they were asked in the first place: On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote: Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. It's obvious that Aquanim did not read the reason that Rean threw out this post and simply calls Rean scummy for asking this question. This was a good post because Rean wanted to continue discussion and get a read on Aqua who he had felt was not contributing enough information and enough opinions to the conversation. The fact that Aqua calls this scummy is absurd and can only be attributed to his own scumminess. TL;DR Changes opinion on me to follow thread sentiment Attacks Rean (and says his question about town/scum reads accomplishes nothing when in fact it does) for defending me This guy is scum I'm confident enough in this case to throw a ##Vote: Aquanim out. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:10 Mocsta wrote: Fair call. It was an interpretation from JJD that I did not think was absurd. A better example of what I am referring to is the jampidampi post sandwiched between us. You mean the post where Jampi takes only two of my posts and tries to base my whole opinion on sciberia around them? Those posts were within my first 3-4 posts on the thread. I don't know where he is going with that. | ||
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None of that stuff points to Rean being hardcore scum. It just points to him needing to be more active in the thread and throw some opinions out. Do you really think that all of that stuff makes Rean more scummier than Aqua, myself, and sciberia? | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:22 Mocsta wrote: Matey, Keep talking to me like a douche and I can give it back to you equally. Please, I dropped my vote off you yonks ago; I am trying to work together here. JJD = JarJarDrinks His post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=13#249 Interprets your posts as calling sciberbia "bad town" and then progressing to "scum". Again, I think JJD interpretation is a fair call, so I would like to know the triggers between the accusations. Because JJD is wrong? The first post (about "rocking the boat") said that sciberia is either new to this game or him "rocking the boat" is scummy. Is it not obvious to you that this isn't sciberia's first game? I said he was good at this game and that I thought he was making a calculated play with "rocking the boat". | ||
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Just in case I need to explain 100000% of my posts | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: Isn't that exactly what I said? You're not addressing the first post I quoted. The first post you quoted is basically the same thing as the "rocking the boat" post. I don't know where you see my "town read" on him. To be honest the conclusions you are coming to are simply not right. As such, your read on me comes off as wrong. I never called sciberia "bad town" or "town" or anything even close to the green side of the spectrum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: Sorry to repost this again but wanted everyone to know what post we're all talking about since there seems to be some dispute:So Cora, who thinks sciberia was making a calculated scum play, decides that correct thing to say about it is to tell him to stop. He then gives the person that he believes is smart scum advice on how to find scum. JJD please stop and read my filter. This post was MY FIRST REAL POST IN THE GAME. The post about making a calculated scum play was after that. Perhaps I could have come to that conclusion in-between my first post and the "rocking the boat" post. JJD you are being fucking annoying as hell. If I was Mocsta I would vote you for not reading. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:52 Mocsta wrote: I assume this is because you dont vote in the first 24hrs? no it's because your case on me had way too many jabs calling me scummy for not reading | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:56 Mocsta wrote: And onegu thinks no1 has called me a douche yet lol. No Moc, you're not a douche. Your case is a douche <3 But now that everyone has cleared up the misunderstandings, any comments about my Aqua case? Or did I just repeat Thrawn too much? | ||
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[QUOTE]On November 21 2013 01:48 cDgCorazon wrote: Perhaps I could have come to that conclusion in-between my first post and the "rocking the boat" post.[/QUOTE] Well this is what I'm trying to find out. Did you not have a scum read in the first post but did in the 2nd? If so, what changed yoiur mind? /QUOTE] Yes because I am going to have a scum read on sciberia after 1 page of mostly joke posting... JJD why are you grasping at straws? To me, it looks like you want to make a case on me but the focal point is "Cora changed his read on sci for no reason" and you are trying to fish favorable answers out of me because you know you can't twist my words any more than you are currently. Off to school. For realsies. | ||
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On November 21 2013 02:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Well this is what I'm trying to find out. Did you not have a scum read in the first post but did in the 2nd? If so, what changed yoiur mind? Yes because I am going to have a scum read on sciberia after 1 page of mostly joke posting... JJD why are you grasping at straws? To me, it looks like you want to make a case on me but the focal point is "Cora changed his read on sci for no reason" and you are trying to fish favorable answers out of me because you know you can't twist my words any more than you are currently. Off to school. For realsies. | ||
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The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder. | ||
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On November 21 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cora why not having "any original reasoning" for voting for someone is scummy? People sheep all the time. But sheeping on arguments made 15 hours ago? That's not scummy? | ||
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On November 21 2013 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno, does the argument somehow vanish if it gets "too old"? Well to me it looks like an attempt to make a case without doing the work. It also doesn't help when I've refuted all of the points and he still decides to make the case. It's scummy because it's fake scum-hunting. | ||
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On November 21 2013 06:02 JarJarDrinks wrote: I have read your filter. No need to answer it again it you did, just please link or quote a post where you explain the reason you had a scumread on sciberia @ that point in the game that isn't because of his first post. I've explained my thinking behind those posts already. So no. | ||
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On November 21 2013 06:22 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yes you explained your thinking behind those posts. ANd that thinking directly contradicts what you're saying in the post I quoted. Here's a post where you try to explain your thinking: Well if the page 1 posts are "mostly joke posting" then why would you think that his post is scummy for doing a poor job of creating a good town atmosphere ? You specifically say here that you would NOT have a scum read on him for his page 1 joke posting So I ask again. Why did you think Sci was scummy? Sorry when you said my filter I thought you meant that I read the whole filter. Read more plz | ||
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you meant that you read my whole filter | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote: I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game. | ||
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That is my progression of reads on Sci in the posts you made. Is that ok? | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote: I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. This is the post where he basically copies me and then denies it: On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote: I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing. This is where he denies copying me and he twists my words to make it look like I already assumed they were masons: On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler [cora] + On November 20 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote: My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..." Your post said "you are mason?" So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing". @cora You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason. And then the other point of him not putting his vote where his mouth is was disproved when he voted for me, although it should be noted that he didn't vote for me until I pointed that out. TBH if it sounds like I'm not interested in the case it's because I've said this shit before and sci has fallen down my scumlist now that Aqua and Onegu look really scummy. | ||
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On November 21 2013 06:53 JarJarDrinks wrote: You don't get to end it. Would you rather I vote for you instead of question you about it? Stop saying I'm not reading your filter because I've read it more than I've read anyone elses as evidenced by the fact that I've quoted the shit out of it. TBH I never care about people voting for me or not. I'm town and I know it. I can take the knowledge of my towniness to the grave and if you all lynch me (which probably isn't going to happen) you'll figure out things about the real scum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Corazon i believe sciberbia when he says it was a discussion starter (the first post). Do you believe you two may have just looked things differently about your mason-incident? Because i find that to be the most likely explanation. I don't think either of you is lying or trying to make shit up, you just read each other's posts differently. I agree with you on Aquanim and Onegu. What do you think of Bereft? I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to think of Bereft, other than the fact that he is lurking. I hate lurker lynches D1. I wonder if he will come back. If I may return the favor, how do you feel about LoneMeow? Would you place him on the same lurker level as Bereft? The one post I remember of his was not a very good one. | ||
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I also said (in an earlier post) that I didn't like how he was trying to bring conversation off of Aqua and onto me. That's what concerns me about LM. | ||
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Sure Rean has contradicted himself a few times and the accusations against him are true, I don't think they warrant a full-on case on him and I don't think that he should be lynched for it. You seem to be all about looking like you are scum hunting and jumping on the right wagons and the timing of your changes of reads seem to indicate you are just trying to play for survival, which is what scum like to do. I can't wait to see your observations of the last ten pages or so and to hear you try to change the lynch subject yet again. | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:51 Aquanim wrote: I'm not sure there's any point in talking to you since 1) you're likely scum and 2) you've already made up your mind apparently. Actually, you know what? Try justifying some of your wild claims first. I've explained that I was waiting to see if you were going to back up your sciberbia case with a vote, and when you didn't I became much more suspicious of you. In what way is that smoke and mirrors? What is your evidence that I wanted town to waste time arguing about you? My attacking Rean WAS an answer to his question. He wanted to know my scumread - and it was Rean himself. I also had a scumread on you but I thought it would be more useful and I'd learn more by pushing Rean at that time, as I've explained. Would you care to further explain why you think the argument why Rean is scum is weaker than the argument why I am? You've said that without actually justifying why you think it's so. Oh, and why shouldn't I try to change the lynch subject when most everyone is voting for me? I already justified why I didn't vote for sci. My claim is that you jumped on my wagon to give the impression you are scum hunting when you aren't. Look at the timings of the votes and that is proof right there. I'll accept your answer on responding to Rean. Because Rean has been open about his ideas and he is trying to solve the game. He's done more than simply piggyback on people and kick them while they are down. I just don't get a scummy vibe from Rean. | ||
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I would be also down for a LoneMeow/Bereft lynch if we are lynching based on contribution. Everyone else I'm either town on or not confident enough to see hang today. We have <24 hours to go, we should start consolidating. | ||
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While I can agree with your analysis that Onegu's reads are "written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived", I don't think it makes Onegu town. Don't you think town would care about the lynch? It's one thing to throw out unpopular opinions but Onegu doesn't seem to care what is happening with the lynch. While it's important to not care too much, I think that Onegu isn't caring at all. I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that Onegu is town from his "lack of caring". In my opinion, it is the opposite. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:13 Bereft wrote: also, another point in response to this -- just because i didn't post about it doesn't mean i haven't thought about it (it being aqua and his filter). i find aqua's filter warrants further investigation and thought, whereas rean's filter is strong enough to warrant a vote almost immediately. my initial gut read on aqua being scum was due to: (a) the 'town' read on mocsta due to his 'non sarcastic' response, (b) the unnecessary question about day vigging when there was already a good thread of conversation going, and (c) the sudden rean vote. but since then he's posted quite a bit of substantial stuff, and he's obviously a smart, analytical thinker, so i think his posts require a bit of care and fresh eyes. either way, i don't see anything wrong with voting Rean when i like my case on him and i'm somewhat on the fence re: aqua. if you're town, i don't know what you're trying to accomplish by jumping on me for such a minor point i proceeded to IMMEDIATELY explain and then disappearing from the thread. what are you hoping to accomplish? you do realize we are 22 hours away from the deadline in a game of majority lynch?? Why are you yelling at Rayn for going to sleep at 6am? He's been active for a really long time and the impetus should be on you to have come in earlier and added to the discussion. If you don't have enough time to play then you should not have signed up. I'm sorry to be so blunt but it's the truth. It's ridiculous to call him scum just because he sleeps. Simply ridiculous. | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:37 Onegu wrote: Aqua is thinking the same way I do. I like this. He is a lot more polite about his suspicions/prodding though. This resposne is really bad as once again it completely ignores the content I posted about those players. Maybe I'm wrong, but at this stage of the game it illicits a response regardless. Horse blinkers like these are not a good sign this early on. Personal heuristic but I find early game its only scum that use phrases like this. "I think we're actually doing quite well so far" How the heck does town have a guage on what is good/bad when only 50% of the players have participated. Bereft is either comfortable distancing team mates, or is town. - I am not familiar enough with his meta to make an opinion yet. I like that he picks up on this stuff to corazon that I already identified earlier. Still null. I dunno, this is just too haste from Corazon. Everyone knows he is "sensitive" and prone to OMGUS so it does dilute the read a touch, however, I can't keep getting over this is scum-to-scum interaction. "You're grasping at straws" + "you are looking pretty scummy" are strong words and stances, yet, does it really read like Corazon is *trying* to get Sciberbia lynched? I dont sense congruence here. Again, scum-to-scum interactions I think... - I like the way Aquanim is prodding Rean. This post is null to me. Corazon reads very emotional so its hard to understand motive. Bereft is starting to look better as is reading the actual content behind the queries. Rean does the same. - I entirely agreed with Thrawn vote at that time Excellent post from Aquanim. If hes scum, hes playing a great game because hes asking the questions that are in my head as Im reading it. That is very hard to do as scum. I think this is a scum-slip. Corazon is too assertive in his read and this goes beyond emotion. When I read this, I take it as someone who is speaking "matter of fact". This is enough for me to be 90% confident that both Sciberbia and Corazon are scum. There is no way that enough content has been delivered in this thread for a town person to jump to such a strong conclusion as this. Event hough I think Sciberbia is scummy, I do think he came in here with the intention to troll like this. I was just posting a theory. The question is fair, however, in context of thread events this is aterrible post. Corazon is slamming into Sciberbia, and this is what Sciberbia thinks is relevant to discuss? WTF? This post does not align with his strong opinion in the previous post. Im starting to sound tunneled because I am now so so so certain Corazon and Sciberbia are scum. I am not a fan of Aquanim for this interpretation however, I also know he is more calculated than I am so can accept a town Aquanim may play out the thread like this. Im going to go null but will be curious how Aquanim chooses to interpret this massive post and my conclusions. More generics from Corazon. Importantly, he just called Sciberbia scum last page and now is acting as if nothing happened. Deffo scum Again, he also dodges the shit-ball fight of Corazon. Some may argue that is towny to avoid this and not shit the thread. However, the key differentiator I find is that if town choose that approach they would also ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of the read. Sciberbia just dodges it and hopes no one brings it up further. Very bad. This guy is interesting. As scum I think I would phrase things similar to this guy because there is always an 'out'. I think in this instance, this is a townie with an opinion speaking naturally and as the thought comes to his mind. Can evaluate him more if the flips on Corazon/Sciberbia go awry - which I doubt. In short I am very comfortable to lynch Corazon and Sciberbia. I would lynch Corazon because him trying to wriggle out of it will be more fun/alignment-revealing in my opinion. ##Vote: cDgCorazon and to answer your question, I would shoot Sciberbia as he is the other half. *Mocsta stuff So this isn't a case on me? | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:37 Rean wrote: That is the case Mocsta wrote on you. He just failed massively at quoting. ohhhhhh. that makes sense now. I still would like some more posts and reads from Onegu, though | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:55 Mocsta wrote: Corazon Regarding why you did not vote Sciberbia You stated that: early votes dont get traction so whats the point. If that is the case, why did you ask Sciberbia to put his vote where his mouth is? Cause I'm dumb and don't remember what I say before contradicting myself. | ||
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When you say things like, "Corazón has only attacked people who attack him", it makes me less likely to listen to you because you're throwing shit around when you say that. Of course I've only attacked people who have attacked me because EVERYONE has attacked me. Do you not realize this? Also Moc, the time for talking about me being scum without voting for me is past. Either vote for me or stop talking about me. This was from phone. Going to class and I will post after that. | ||
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Aqua/Onegu/Bereft. Your pick, Moc. | ||
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Neither of you needed to blow up there. Go take a break and come back in 2-3 hours please. | ||
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We were all happily discussing a potential Rean lynch and all of a sudden, you and Mocsta get in this argument and now we have no chance at consolidation. It just derailed town. How do you think we are going to lynch scum if your egos get in the way? | ||
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On November 22 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote: Why do you think that is the situation at hand? Cause you and Rayn now want each other dead. And both of those lunches are stupid. | ||
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On November 22 2013 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't want Mocsta dead. Read my last biggish post please. THEN WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR HIM. Why did you want him dead and then change your mind? | ||
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Thx guys. Thx a lot T.T I'll decide on my vote closer to the deadline. For now it's still on Aqua | ||
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This whole Rayn crap is stupid. It should have never been a thing in the first place. | ||
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On November 22 2013 01:13 Mocsta wrote: Funny that. Town when not playing and scummy when you start playing. This post is an example of confirmation bias. I can't copy/paste because I'm on my phone but the two posts above this in your filter are also examples of confirmation bias. Rayn's behavior was not acceptable but I don't think he should be lynched today for it. The problem with this town is that they fixate on someone's behavior in a very small time window and forget about everything else they have done in the game. This was a problem when people continued to attack me for my exchange with sci (Including you, Moc) for almost 30 hours without thinking about what I have done since then. It is the same with Rayn: if you took a look at the big picture and analyze Rayn's filter throughout the entire game, would you still think he is scum? I would not say that he is "100% a good lynch candidate" upon looking at his entire filter. My phone is about to die. Be back later. | ||
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I really do not like Rayn martyring...tbh the concept of martyring has been beaten to death and I think he's just using it as a ploy to gain town cred. Rayn, pick a lynch and stay with it. I don't want to lynch you but if you continue to vote for everyone in the thread then I will have no choice but to vote for you. | ||
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On November 22 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Mocsta :facepalm: I'm going to have to vote you out just to get you and Mocsta to stop fighting. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet | ||
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You should know better, Rayn | ||
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##unvote ##Vote: No-lynch This is stupid and I can't believe that it has come to this. Rayn is a bad lynch and Onegu/Aqua are way better lynches today. | ||
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Lynch me then. You're losing a townie whether I or Rayn get lynched. Can we kill Onegu? His play has been way scummier. | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: Corazon why are you voting specifically for no-lynch instead of trying to lynch scum? Cause you idiots are tunneled in on Rayn. | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:36 Aquanim wrote: That's not an answer. You know how bloody awful it is to no-lynch day 1, we learn nothing from it. If you don't like the Rayn lynch, PROPOSE ANOTHER ONE. ONEGU | ||
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Rayn has been the only thing we've talked about and guess who has made one post while everyone else tunnels on Rayn? ONEGU Guess who has had zero thread presence and has not contributed to the discussion in a sufficent manner? ONEGU Guess who is a better lynch? ONEGU | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:54 thrawn2112 wrote: Corazon this isn't grubby's twitch stream and you don't have mod powers here so adjust your attitude accordingly. Tell Mocsta that. | ||
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FUCK YOU MAN JUST FUCK YOU | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:14 Aquanim wrote: I'm not sure why Onegu's vote looks scummier due to Rayn's flip. Unless you're saying he didn't want to take responsibility for the Rayn lynch... which would apply to you in spades too. Could you clarify? Onegu dropped a vote away from Rayn and then peaced out. What would scum do if they knew town Rayn was probably going to be lynched 12 hours in advance? They wouldn't all pack on the Rayn wagon. That would be too obvious for a scum team. Wouldn't it make sense for Onegu to put a vote on Moc in the middle of the Rayn tunnel to look like he was making an effort to scum-hunt and then be able to distance himself from a Rayn lynch? I was transparent with my stance on Rayn and my decision to no-lynch. Onegu was very shady about it and I think it's because he is hiding the fact that he is scum. | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:27 Aquanim wrote: That's a fair point. Do you think the same applies to jampidampi and Rean, who both left their votes on me without pushing my lynch at all seriously? Personally I doubt they're all scum but I think there's at least one and possibly two scum in {Jampidampi, Rean, Onegu}. And that's what should be the focal point of N1. | ||
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"Who's more foolish- the fool or the one who follows him?" | ||
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On November 22 2013 13:42 Mocsta wrote: Corazon, what do you think of what I wrote about Onegu, Aqua, Thrawn before? I can see your position on Aqua. I'll have another look at him because tbh that 12-hour shitfight made it hard to pick Aqua's posts out from all of the shit. TBH Thrawn looks like your second head or something Moc. All I see from him are town reads on you and +1 on everything that you write. I wish he would branch out and do some of his own reads or else I would like to look at him some more. I agree with the stuff on Onegu (as I said before- you were just kind of agreeing with me). | ||
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On November 22 2013 13:57 Mocsta wrote: Fair comment on being a "hydra" ummm, Thrawn did that last cycle. It was the trigger for Rayns meltdown. One of the key things he found was a read on LoneMeow/HolyFlare which ties in with how HolyFlare has come into this game. Does it not concern you that he could be buddying you too hard? You've done that tactic to me before (was it Bluelightz? or 37?) and it bit me in the ass. I would like thrawn to have a lot more thread presence going forward. I hope you can agree with that Moc. | ||
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On November 22 2013 14:11 Mocsta wrote: I do not disagree at all that Thrawn needs more presence. I don't think he has been buddying me though - in the sense, if anything I buddied him. Yes I have buddied you before correct. But I was supporting your scum reads, and using your arguments to push them. I don't think Thrawn is doing that to me. I think it has been coincidence we were thiking the same things at the same time, and posting live -- its what lead to me thiking he was town + towards end of cycle we were starting to disagree on stuff. in 37 you were scum and I was town Moc Also, why is your filter 11 pages? Don't you think that it is a bit ridiculous for 48 hours? 11*20 is 220/48 is around 5. You have a post every 12 minutes. Tbh I think things would be better if you tried to tone it down. | ||
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If I was scum in that situation, what would I do? I would have 2 goals: 1. Keep Rayn alive 2. Not change my story in my attempt to keep Rayn alive The only reason I could see scum trying to lynch Rayn is if his reads were right. So either: 1. All the scum did not vote for Rayn 2. Rayn's reads are at least somewhat correct (at least 1 is scum) 3. The scumteam is just bad To be fair to Onegu, he said that he was not able to make a post before the deadline but to be honest I looked at the time for Australia and I really believe that Onegu could have made a post that said "Hey guys, I don't think Rayn is scum. I'm sticking with my vote" which would have made me accept his vote more. The fact that he didn't kind of points to the fact that he doesn't care about the lynch, a sentiment that has been echoed by many players here. | ||
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On November 23 2013 02:28 JarJarDrinks wrote: Um. wouldn't scum be more inclined to have him flip green ASAP if his reads were wrong? Well I think it is a trade off between killing a green now and no-lynching D1/lynching Rayn D2. If I was scum, I would rather have the chaos of what the Rayn discussion brought continue over having him flip now. Instead of us spending 2 days only talking about Rayn, now we have peace and we can focus on other targets that are actually scum. Perhaps the scum felt that the chances of lynching a town D2 are high as well even with the town in a more focused mindset w/o Rayn. That's also a possibility. | ||
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On November 23 2013 02:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: This doesn't make sense to me. You say he "screw[ed] up the thread" as we saw. But no one listened to him at all. So why would scum care to have him leave the thread if he's shitting it up AND no one is listening to him? Once he's gone, the town knows all his reads are real. Yes but the town atmosphere for the last 12 hours of the game was absolutely terrible. If we had no-lynched Rayn would still an issue and we would waste D2 on it. I guarantee that. That is why it was a hard choice for me to not vote Rayn. | ||
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On November 23 2013 02:49 JarJarDrinks wrote: So then how could you say that Scum would want to lynch rayn if his reads were right? They should want to keep him in the game no matter what. But especially if his reads were right. Well I also said the scum could be misreading the game. That would be possible especially if they have been lurking and not posting in the thread. | ||
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It was kind of a new idea I had and I didn't distinguish it from my other ones. Sorry. Why do you think the scumteam would let Rayn be lynched and do you think the scum's votes are on or off Rayn (or a mixture of the two)? | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:34 Bereft wrote: Cora, Holyflare: if you think I (or JJD or Mocsta for that matter) are scum, come at me bro. let me know what specifically you find scummy about me and what issues you take with my play and I'll do my best to explain my thought process to you as I did with thrawn. don't FOS me on the basis that "rayn was town and since he was lynched his scum reads are probably right". that's a flimsy argument to make - being town does not make you infallible. do you honestly think JJD, mocsta, and I are the mafia trifecta, in your own independent assessments? if yes, tell me why, because I'm inclined to think rayn is 0 out of 3 on this one. Why are you throwing me into this? I'm trying to discern what the real reason scum had for voting Rayn out. Do you think that no scum was on the Rayn wagon? | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:38 Bereft wrote: @Cora yeah that was more directed at HF than you. wasn't quite following your line of reasoning but thought you were insinuating the same thing (due to the part JJD bolded). I see what you're trying to say now though. I haven't really thought about it, but hypothesizing like that by itself will be an unproductive mind fuck for me. I think it's possible there was scum on rayn's wagon only by virtue of the fact that I have some suspicions of 1-2 people on that list. So you have a scum read on Moc, JJD, or both? | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:48 thrawn2112 wrote: in case you die look at JJD and bereft real quick. just indulge me, please Please stop +1ing Mocsta | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:58 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't know you're talking about. I'm trying to get his opinion on something. If you think that we are both town and I'm doing something anti town then let me know exactly what it is and why it's bad so I can stop. If you think one or both of us is scum then you should tell the thread. If this has nothing to do with any of that, and it's about you and mocsta not getting along then please stop. No, it's the fact that you have been trying to be Mocsta's hydra this entire game. You do very little on your own and most of the time you are just springboarding off of Mocsta' arguments. I'm null on you right now and I'm not going to worry about you cause you're not a good lynch D2 but your play needs to step up if you don't want my vote down the line. | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:32 Aquanim wrote: @Corazon I'd like to see your thoughts on Jampidampi. No thread presence. He played a very little part in D1 and that doesn't reflect very well on my read on him. I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be him. I'd be down lynching him tomorrow if it comes to that. | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:38 sciberbia wrote: Have some questions for you Cora. 1) Can you explain what you were talking about in this post? How exactly did you think rayn was trying to gain town cred by going on a rampage and martyring himself? 2) If you think it would have been beneficial to scum to keep rayn alive yesterday EVEN given that he is town, why would you not vote for him yesterday? Surely if you think lynching town!rayn would be bad for scum, then it would be good for town? And if he flipped scum even better, right? I don't see how you reconcile voting for no lynch with claiming that it would have been better for scum to no-lynch yesterday. Ok, to be honest, the Rayn lynch was basically impossible for me to pick a side. On one hand, I really thought Rayn was town. On the other hand, Rayn's play was very anti-town. It is a very narrow playstyle that Rayn's townplay fits into. He can be town but not an asset to town at the same time. That is the reason I'm not attacking Mocsta after Rayn's flip. I think I'm being misrepresented (or perhaps I have misrepresented myself) to say that I was against the Rayn lynch. Rayn's really bad townplay, along with the fact that it was a majority lynch, gave me a choice of either lynching someone who I was very confident was town or having him shit up the thread. I think my thought process would make more sense if I went through it. At the beginning, when I made all of those "OMG this fight is stupid" posts, it was due to the fact that the thread had become a shitfest and Rayn/everyone else were simply shitting up the thread. I was truly exasperated and angry that the thread had gone out of control and we had gone from some very good discussion on Aqua/myself/Rean to Rayn and only Rayn. After I came back from school, I was still trying to make a decision whether to vote Rayn or not. When I made the post that you quoted, I think I was trying to justify a Rayn lynch to myself. I knew that it was a dumb lynch but I also knew that I could not do anything about it. Rayn had basically lost it and I did not know whether to give him a second chance or not. When I got back (about 45 minutes from the deadline), I said to myself "Fuck it, I'm not going to be dragged around and be forced to follow thread sentiment". So I voted for a no-lynch. I knew it was useless to try and suggest because Rayn was already bleeding badly and all of the sharks were floating around him. You guys were tunneled way too hard on Rayn and that was a mistake that I tried to correct earlier but gave up out of frustration. TL;DR: My town read on Rayn + The shitty town atmosphere Rayn was causing= scenario where no one wins and I'm forced to walk a very fine line to take a neutral stance on Rayn's lynch. | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:47 Aquanim wrote: You mean a scum off the Rayn lynch besides Onegu? Yeah. I would definitely not throw out the possibility that 2 scum were off the lynch. | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:54 cDgCorazon wrote: Ok, to be honest, the Rayn lynch was basically impossible for me to pick a side. On one hand, I really thought Rayn was town. On the other hand, Rayn's play was very anti-town. It is a very narrow playstyle that Rayn's townplay fits into. He can be town but not an asset to town at the same time. That is the reason I'm not attacking Mocsta after Rayn's flip. I think I'm being misrepresented (or perhaps I have misrepresented myself) to say that I was against the Rayn lynch. Rayn's really bad townplay, along with the fact that it was a majority lynch, gave me a choice of either lynching someone who I was very confident was town or having him shit up the thread. I think my thought process would make more sense if I went through it. At the beginning, when I made all of those "OMG this fight is stupid" posts, it was due to the fact that the thread had become a shitfest and Rayn/everyone else were simply shitting up the thread. I was truly exasperated and angry that the thread had gone out of control and we had gone from some very good discussion on Aqua/myself/Rean to Rayn and only Rayn. After I came back from school, I was still trying to make a decision whether to vote Rayn or not. When I made the post that you quoted, I think I was trying to justify a Rayn lynch to myself. I knew that it was a dumb lynch but I also knew that I could not do anything about it. Rayn had basically lost it and I did not know whether to give him a second chance or not. When I got back (about 45 minutes from the deadline), I said to myself "Fuck it, I'm not going to be dragged around and be forced to follow thread sentiment". So I voted for a no-lynch. I knew it was useless to try and suggest a different lynch because Rayn was already bleeding badly and all of the sharks were floating around him. You guys were tunneled way too hard on Rayn and that was a mistake that I tried to correct earlier but gave up out of frustration. TL;DR: My town read on Rayn + The shitty town atmosphere Rayn was causing= scenario where no one wins and I'm forced to walk a very fine line to take a neutral stance on Rayn's lynch. Edit in bold | ||
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Coming into D2, I want to lynch Onegu. His play has been really shady and he needs to be under the gun D2. He does not care about who gets lynched which is a huge scum tell. I'd also be cool lynching Jampi for similar reasons. HF blaming Mocsta for the lynch is really scummy seeing as if HF was town and didn't like the lynch, he could just back off it. I'd be down for lynching one of those three tomorrow. Sciberia's vote was really shady as it came with no explanation at the buzzer. From what I gathered up, he did not have a scum read on Rayn yet voted for him (let me know sci if I missed a post) Thrawn needs to have more of a presence in the thread and needs to stop buddying Mocsta and make his own reads. I'm not interested in lynching anyone outside of these 5 as of now. Of course I will be flexible depending on what happens. | ||
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On November 23 2013 11:43 Holyflare wrote: I am doctor and I saved thrawn. What | ||
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On November 23 2013 11:45 Holyflare wrote: Never know when a random vig can take you out and especially as my play has been bad This isn't 23+1 night...that makes no sense | ||
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On November 23 2013 11:47 Holyflare wrote: I'm kidding of course i knew it isnt +1 you tit Maybe I should just policy lynch you for not using your brain. | ||
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On November 23 2013 11:49 Holyflare wrote: I'm a good shot for a vig, if there is one and he sees, he can save a shot, if scum sees they can kill me over a more towny looking person, it's the only thing i could have done You're too scummy to be a good vig shot | ||
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They are very certain that today's lynch will be town, which would fall in line with their decision to lynch Rayn and not have him be lynched today. | ||
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On November 23 2013 12:06 Aquanim wrote: ...what? Give me one good reason why scum would give us an extra mislynch (I'm pretty sure that's what this means). Because either no one is on the right track or they are confident that we aren't going to find them. They're not giving us an extra mislynch, read the OP. If they didn't shoot tonight that means they get 2 KP tomorrow night. | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote: From what I've read so far, I mean, you of all people have played with rayn and that vote just now was pure policy. You know I have also played with rayn a lot and so when I call him town based on what I've read you shouldn't throw it away and still lynch him. Yes he may have been obnoxious and shit flinging but that is because he was quite clearly annoyed at people. He was emotionally invested. It is hard to fake it the way he did and whether he was annoying or not a towny is a towny. You actively went against a win con because you did not want to play with him again. THAT is scummy. There was Aqua who blatantly disregarded anything rayn said at all. The crux of it comes down to this: He had reads on people that disagreed with thread sentiment. He thought he was correct in those reads and shit things up, so what part of that would have been scummy to you? He went balls to the wall defending someone other people think is scum. Do you think he'd associate that strongly with someone if he was scum? That is not how rayn plays at all. So HF, can you please explain why you disliked the Rayn lynch so strongly and attacked Mocsta for it, yet you were on the train as well? Why would you vote for a lynch you didn't like at all? | ||
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Did you read this? (The big post in the spoiler) Does this help you understand my vote D1? | ||
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On November 23 2013 12:10 Aquanim wrote: My bad, you're quite right. I don't see why this means that we're not on the right track though, unless you think that absolutely anyone they could shoot would increase suspicion of them. Shooting Thrawn or Mocsta wouldn't change today's lynch much I don't think. Well they could be doing it to mindgame us. I just think they are confident we are going to mislynch again. Or they are bad. | ||
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On November 23 2013 12:13 Holyflare wrote: I can never be 100% guaranteed in a lynch. A no lynch gives scum a free night of kills and we gather no information from a flip. Arguably, yes he was a towny but lynch wagons are ideal situations to determine motive. That is why anyone that requests a policy lynch in a game of mafia is scummy as hell. If you have a problem with a person then talk to the host, don't actively go against a win con. Then why did you only say it was scummy after the flip? You should've made that post @Mocsta before the flip, not after. It just looks like you wanted to distance yourself from the Rayn lynch and blame Mocsta for the whole thing. | ||
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On November 23 2013 12:20 Holyflare wrote: It's scummy to policy lynch in a game of information because you are actively masking your intentions if the policy was not there. I didn't think you needed that spelt out for you. Why are you saying this now and why didn't you call Mocsta out for this before Rayn died? | ||
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On November 23 2013 12:22 Aquanim wrote: I think you're asking me this question, and now that I read again you're mostly 1) unimpressed with the ego battle between Mocsta and Rayn and 2) not happy with the "buddying" between Mocsta and Thrawn. I don't think I thought you were attacking Mocsta for being scum as such but you have been talking a fair bit about Mocsta above other people who I think are far, far more likely to flip scum. I'm trying to keep Mocsta on track and not have him rule the town and force all of the lynches to be "my way or the highway" which is what I felt he did to me and the rest of the town D1. A good, constructive Mocsta is an asset to town while a tunneled, heuristic-filled Mocsta is a detriment. I'm just trying to get the former type of play out of Moc. | ||
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On November 23 2013 12:24 Holyflare wrote: Oh please, you want me to lecture people who are deadset on policy lynching someone? Yeh that never works there are way too many egos involved and post lynch people most definitely calm down and can see the bigger picture. Stop trying to play it off. The bottom line is that you voted with Mocsta. His argument convinced you and you voted with Mocsta. I find it extremely hypocritical that you attacked Mocsta for lynching Rayn when you agreed with the lynch. If you didn't like the lynch, you should not have voted for it. There was 7 on the wagon without your vote. You didn't need to be on there. Yet you were on there and now you are trying to pass the blame onto Mocsta. It's really scummy. | ||
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On November 23 2013 12:41 JarJarDrinks wrote: so now that I think about it, why wouldn't they just shoot holy after his claim? Was there really no scum around @ the deadline? Cause that claim was too stupid to be true. | ||
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On November 23 2013 13:49 Mocsta wrote: On a lunch break. This is a really bad post. Its very constructed and uses analogies. This is the first time Corazon breaks out a post with this type of construction and notably, he is answering a very important question from Sciberbia that - I think - produces an alignment indicative response. Yes because I planned to say my answer and then decide to say my answer more in-depth. Sounds totally planned. A more "constructed" post would have been everything after "I think my thought process would make more sense if I went through it". Seeing as I've been asked to repeat the same thing 5 times about other issues, I thought I might as well explain myself and leave nothing out of it. Since when is using analogies a scum-tell? | ||
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On November 23 2013 14:55 Onegu wrote: So bad cora, take a look at when I voted what the wagons were, it was rayn with majority, and no one else with more than 1 vote. Why haven't you been a factor in the scumhunting this whole game? You could've been there at the lynch. You could've chimed in a few hours before and said why you wanted to stay on Mocsta. It wasn't at an ungodly hour for where you were. Your vote, no matter how good it is, does not absolve you of the poor standard of play you have showed us so far. | ||
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On November 23 2013 15:22 Onegu wrote: I couldnt be there at the lynch and I wont be here and any deadline most likely, I have responded to this already. Then replace out. | ||
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On November 23 2013 15:49 Onegu wrote: Omg cora not everyone can be around for deadlines, with people playing from multiple timezones its just not possible. And for you to be so eliteist like this is just dumb, if I only joined games where I could be around for deadline I couldnt join 5/6 of the games as they are mostly made for US and Europe deadlines. The problem simply isn't that you can't be here for the deadlines, it's the fact that you do absolutely nothing in the 48 hours between deadlines. If you helped town figure out a lynch with the time you had to play, I would not have a problem with it. The problem I have is that you don't help town get any lynch at all and it just seems like you don't care. Why should we keep you around? | ||
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On November 23 2013 15:19 Aquanim wrote: Also @Corazon: Why don't you want to lynch Rean? If you think he's town, convince me. There are scummier people than Rean. I don't have a very strong town read on him, but I feel like other targets are better. Sorry I forgot to answer this before. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:32 Bereft wrote: i like that he came into the thread with a bunch of off the cuff reads -- to me this reads as careless, unstructured, bold. if he's scum, this is not at all a "safe" post to bust into the thread with. i think it's on point that he calls mocsta's thread presence out. i really want to believe moc is town, but i keep seeing small red flags embedded in his posts. he's the first person to really do this, and if scum, i think this is also pretty bold because mocsta's obviously an aggressive player. i was accused of being scum and attempting to disrupt a town circle for telling mocsta to explain himself. he gives me a very very slight town lean (exact phrasing "starting to look better") at a time when it's totally unnecessary to do so, considering everyone else would most likely have slotted me into the "lurker, null, need to hear more from" category if prodded. admittedly his last post is a jumbled mess and i have no idea what he's saying with this: but i do think it's a very strong point in his favor that his posts are coming off as being written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived. is a spot on read for you. Except for the fact that Bereft can't tell that not caring about the lynch is scummy. | ||
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If you show that you care about D2 lynch, I'll rethink voting for you. But for now, my vote stays on you. | ||
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On November 23 2013 16:41 Onegu wrote: Posts this then follows up with these. This only after being asked his thoughts on it. And this. This is his only mention of Jamp, there is no mention of rean. But they should be the focal point of n1. Onegu you're so bad. They lurked N1. Hard to talk to someone who isn't there. | ||
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On November 23 2013 16:44 Onegu wrote: So what they werent there you can still talk about them, you didnt. There's not much you can say about them other then analyzing their votes, which doesn't really help if they don't justify them. The conversation shifted elsewhere and I followed it. Nothing wrong with that. Stop grasping at straws. | ||
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On November 23 2013 16:47 Onegu wrote: Nor did you ask them questions for when they came back, you didnt mention them at all. At least I participated in the discussion. | ||
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I'm done. I'm absolutely done. From now on, I'm just going to vote everyone who nitpicks my posts for no reason. Fuck you guys. ##unvote ##Vote: JarJarDrinks | ||
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Go back to your QT and figure out a way not to get lynched, idiot. | ||
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##unvote: ##Vote: Onegu I'll only be a detriment to the scum-hunt if you guys force me to. | ||
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On November 24 2013 06:58 Bereft wrote: also Cora, calm down. I have had a slight town read on you, but if you keep up that behavior you're certain to erase the previous progress you've made in my mind. As long as you are reasonable with me, I will be reasonable with you. | ||
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I already talked about my conclusions. I think HF is scum trying to play the stupid townie card. | ||
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On November 24 2013 07:23 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, so now you're OK w/ policy lynching but yesterday you refused to vote for Rayn even though ????? So why again did you vote no-lynch yesterday? _____________________________________________ Why would you call Onegu an idiot if you believe he's scum? Let's say I believe that you're town. Do you think that scum shouldn't try to get townies lynched? Don't you think a vote comes with a case? | ||
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On November 24 2013 07:25 Bereft wrote: really? i must have missed it so can you quote the post? you were debating before whether scum would rather have rayn alive or dead. what did you conclude and how does conclusion tie in with your reads? i was under the impression you thought they would like to keep him alive so they would almost all be off the rayn train. do you really think JJD is scum or are you just pissed off with him? i take it currently your scum reads are HF, onegu, and...? if the scum team is HF, onegu, and X, why would they hold back their NK and be confident enough of a mislynch as you stated earlier? onegu is 1 of the front runners for d2 lynch and HF for d3 (in my head at least). To be honest I don't really care about what I said. People are going to find a way to twist it to look scummy. I don't like a post from JJD but I don't think he's scum but I do think he's scum but I'm not going to vote for him and now I'm just rambling on and shitting up the thread and I don't really care and I don't really care and this person is scummy and this is what is going on in my head and i think im so important that i should share every thought i have and i can wish-wash and call people scummy yet not think they are scum and not vote for them and basically waste our time with useless bullshit and tire me out because i just want to play but i get called scum every-other post that i make and scum try to pick on me andandnandandnandnandandnandnandnandnandandnandnandnandnandandn | ||
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So I'm curious Mocsta, why am I so scummy now that I've been prodded to death? Shouldn't I have been scummy for a lot longer? If so, why didn't you point it out earlier? It's called confirmation bias, bro. | ||
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On November 24 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote: You have confirmation bias. I did not state any of the things you mentioned. It will be clear once I have done my filter-dive. Currently you are null for me. IF YOU HAVE A NULL READ ON ME I DONT WANT ANY CASE ON ME FROM YOU. YOU DONT MAKE "NULL CASES" | ||
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On November 24 2013 08:36 Mocsta wrote: Once you are done answering Aquanim question; can you please give me your opinino on Scibs response to Onegu. And give you a chance to find a phantom "scum slip"? No | ||
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On November 24 2013 08:45 Mocsta wrote: I really want to know if Corazon has a different PoV to you. Can you please convince him to respond. I'm not chasing any scum slips - I promise Corazon. Bullshit | ||
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On November 24 2013 08:55 Mocsta wrote: Corazon Do you agree. Yes or No You've had time to think about it, so now you can respond as a pre-planned answer  Who cares? I'm scum anyways. Aren't I, Moc? | ||
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On November 23 2013 13:49 Mocsta wrote: On a lunch break. This is a really bad post. Its very constructed and uses analogies. This is the first time Corazon breaks out a post with this type of construction and notably, he is answering a very important question from Sciberbia that - I think - produces an alignment indicative response. Do you understand why I am frustrated with you? If you want me to cooperate, I'm going to make a request from you. You have to not call me "scummy" unless you make a case that encompasses my play the entire game and accompany said case with a vote. I don't want anything else from you about your read on me, even if others ask you for your opinion on me. Is that clear? | ||
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On November 24 2013 08:56 Aquanim wrote: If you need to take a break for a while, go and do it. I've found it's helped me in similar situations in the past (this game and others). I wish that would work but I get all of these bullshit "Cora is scummy but not scum" posts when I'm not around. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:06 Mocsta wrote: Hunny, that is precisely what i am donig. I am making a stream of consciousness right now as I read your *entire filter* Hence why I said before that my read before was null. What I am asking you about scibs -> Onegu is a side story related to Scibs. I have an opinion on it that I would like to share but I wanted to get some other opinions first. Aqua shared; please, just a yes or no to whether you agree with him. No, I want a promise from you to fulfill my request. Nothing less. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:10 Mocsta wrote: I can't do that. I haven't finished my stream. Whatever, its your loss. Congratz, then you get unhappy and uncooperative Corazon. Enjoy. | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote: From what I've read so far, I mean, you of all people have played with rayn and that vote just now was pure policy. You know I have also played with rayn a lot and so when I call him town based on what I've read you shouldn't throw it away and still lynch him. Yes he may have been obnoxious and shit flinging but that is because he was quite clearly annoyed at people. He was emotionally invested. It is hard to fake it the way he did and whether he was annoying or not a towny is a towny. You actively went against a win con because you did not want to play with him again. THAT is scummy. There was Aqua who blatantly disregarded anything rayn said at all. The crux of it comes down to this: He had reads on people that disagreed with thread sentiment. He thought he was correct in those reads and shit things up, so what part of that would have been scummy to you? He went balls to the wall defending someone other people think is scum. Do you think he'd associate that strongly with someone if he was scum? That is not how rayn plays at all. On November 23 2013 16:23 Onegu wrote: Also when are people going to realize this is a game of logic not emotion, rayn never personally attacks people, he only attacks thier gameplay. I have a problem when people are attacked with personal assults that have nothing to do with the game rayn never does this. Rayn forces his reads down your throat, and when he is throwning reads everywhere and changeing them constantly its difficult to follow, but when he tunnels onto someone most of the time he is right. And in this game say what you want rayn was playing the game and wanting to policy lynch him for it dumb. Mocsta you habe played multiple games with him why all of a sudden do you want to policy lynch him this game? Why are these posts basically the same? Why are they both attacking Mocsta and trying to pass the blame for the Rayn lynch solely on him? Cause they are scum! | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:41 Aquanim wrote: Do you think one of them could be town and the other one scum sheeping a convenient opinion? To be honest they look like the exact same post and neither of them were followed up with any suspicion on Mocsta. I think it's more likely that HF was trying to distance himself from the lynch and Onegu is trying to pretend to scum-hunt to gain the town cred he so desperately needs right now. I could see both of them trying this. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:47 Aquanim wrote: I'm not certain I understood the point correctly. Are you saying that they are both scum for having the same opinion, or each of them is scum individually because they have that opinion and it's scummy? The second one | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:59 Holyflare wrote: Also, some guy asked me to claim my flavour at some point, I think it was bereft? What is the point of that when scum get fake claims? What's the point of claiming doctor in the first place. If you're going to do something stupid you might as well go all the way. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:58 Aquanim wrote: Corazon, do you think Sciberbia is scum? I'm not very confident in sciberia being scum. I appreciate the quality of his posts and the transparency he has shown throughout most of the game. I don't want to lynch him today. | ||
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I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote: I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me.... Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler + Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler + [Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.] Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town, Calls out bereft also like but I disagree Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. | ||
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On November 24 2013 10:28 Holyflare wrote: Yes, but I can't, so claiming a town PR is what I did. Also, if you don't like my attitude, policy lynch me. Town quite clearly has no qualms about doing that. I can act how I please thank you very much. ^Scum mindset^ (he's hiding under Town mindset: I'm under the gun but if I play better and try to find a lynch I think people will see that I'm town If you guys aren't down with lynching Onegu I'd be fine with lynching HF | ||
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On November 24 2013 11:39 Holyflare wrote: If you really think I play scum by claiming doctor and posting next to nothing to look towny you are actually dumb and have not done what I asked. Like I said, go read actual games I have played in. Why are you using your claim as an excuse for doing nothing? | ||
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On November 24 2013 11:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: @Cora, are you a doc and that's why you don't buy HFs claim? Threre's no reason to keep it secret if it's true since scum will likely suspect you anyway. I'm not a doc. The claim is just really ridiculous. | ||
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No, I don't think Mocsta is scum. I think he's just being Mocsta. This same kind of random-ass tunnel crap he's given is the same reason Rayn is dead. I don't think it's because Mocsta is scum, I think it is because Mocsta is trying to chase every single thing that makes someone a potential scum member. | ||
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On November 24 2013 12:05 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote: JarJarDrinks I might can do the Onegu thing but I need to reaffirm my position on him. I am much more confident about JarJar for the reasons I posted in the "notes" spoiler and what I said in my last quote. Please vote Onegu I spent like an hour on that case and you are the only one who has acknowledged its existence... | ||
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Mocsta being really obvious and clear with his random vote-switches is a town tell, just like it was with Rayn. Going to go re-read the Thrawn/JJD stuff | ||
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On November 24 2013 13:12 Bereft wrote: *confident, not confidant i'm not saying this is damning, but this is quite interesting... mocsta to onegu: mocsta to artanis in marv's game: Wow. You didn't read my case. Did you? | ||
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JJD's attempt to get me to claim is really stupid but I don't think it's scummy. It's something I could see someone posting and then realizing that it is a dumb idea. It's really sad that you two are going at each other instead of going after people who are way more scummier, such as Onegu/HF @all: I've heard a lot of talk that people are waiting on Onegu's case on Mocsta to pass judgement on him. If this case never materializes (which given Onegu's track record is a very likely possibility), would anyone object to lynching him? | ||
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Care to respond to this? On November 24 2013 13:14 cDgCorazon wrote: Wow. You didn't read my case. Did you? | ||
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It already doesn't help that you don't move the thread but now you're just talking about someone who isn't going to get lynched today. It's not helping. I want to tell you this in the most friendly, "we are on the same team" way. You need to be more active and more relevant if town is going to have a chance of winning. That goes to Bereft/Thrawn as well. The people who aren't lurking but don't have great thread presence. | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:16 Bereft wrote: if this is true, I think basically this means I can't play TL mafia unless I'm on vacation. because this is me making an effort to be active, believe it or not. TBH your activity now is good, it would just be nice if more people could replicate it for longer. The same 3 people talking is never good for town. About Onegu, I don't think his "genuineness" is enough to outweigh all of the things that I said about him. Do you think his case on you is from a townie trying to find scum? | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:45 sciberbia wrote: Also we really need to get this straight. If Rean is going to be replaced rather than modkilled I think we should also consider lynching that slot today. Will rean/jamp be modkilled or replaced if they do not vote today? Yes I know you are trying to be seamless as possible but these two haven't posted in two days. Please be more transparent with us. | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:47 Mocsta wrote: Scibs I completely endorse that post of yours on p74, 100% As for the host question, may have to PM it to him. Unfortunately, I think its still too early to talk about modkills. These "dipshits" often post in the last 10 minute of the cycle screwing up all planning that occurs - as town or scum. A majority may be difficult as well?? I pm'd OO at the beginning of the cycle and no response. T.T Jampi didn't post at all N1 and he should have been modkilled. | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:55 Aquanim wrote: The rules are one post each day/night cycle which I don't think means once each day and once each night. Oh I thought day/night meant 1 post every day and 1 post every night. | ||
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Being scum and actively pushing townie lynches and avoiding suspicion is good scum play. | ||
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The fact of the matter is that this case is bad because it's hypocritical, it's partially other's arguments, and it has no teeth (like every single other case you have made). It's hypocritical because you've switched your reads randomly as well (your 180 on Rayn with no explanation). It's partially other's arguments because I heard most of this shit before from other people. It has no teeth because you didn't vote for Mocsta. No one knows who you want lynched and it seems like you never believe in any of your cases. Why are you so hesitant to vote for anyone you make a case on? Do you actually believe that Mocsta/Bereft are scum? If so, why isn't your vote on them? If not, why are you wasting our time with cases and tell us who you want lynched. TBH Mocsta's read switches are a result of his usual play and the fact that he re-evaluates the game very often. Even the point (singular point) you make in this case is very weak. | ||
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Looking at JJD's filter from the entire game, do you really think he is scummier than Onegu? The answer is no. If you guys are going to be dicks and not listen to me, why should I listen to you? | ||
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Mocsta has changed his reads but when it comes down to the hard votes and the votes that matter Mocsta's been pretty consistent (aka his vote on Rayn D1. We haven't reached that critical point in D2). | ||
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On November 25 2013 01:47 Onegu wrote: Also cora maybe you should read the case like if thrawn or someone you find townie wrote it and not just dismiss it because I wrote it and I changed my read on rayn, who I know his meta well at this point I can tell when he is scum. Also if I was scum I would have hammered rayn so hard at that point. The best thing for the scum to do in that situation is vote and do nothing as Rayn is self-destructive. Please answer my other points in refuting your Mocsta case and answer my big case on you, please. | ||
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On November 24 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: @holyflare: Who do you want lynched and why? | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:20 Holyflare wrote: I don't like the colour brown so maybe chezinu Too bad the color brown reflects your play this game, whether you are scum or town. | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:26 Holyflare wrote: I'm too meta for this game tbh you just don't get why yet. So your meta is not having any scum reads? | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:28 Holyflare wrote: You sure like to make mountains out of mole hills You sure like to take "useless" to a new level. | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:39 Bereft wrote: Chez, do you plan to actually be useful or spout riddles all game? He's already said he wants sci dead, which is one more scumread than HF has given out. | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:26 Holyflare wrote: I'm too meta for this game tbh you just don't get why yet. | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:42 Holyflare wrote: I think you are confusing names with scum reads because i too have said plenty of names. Mocsta is a recurring name in my filter don't you think? So you still want to lynch Mocsta for pushing the Rayn lynch? You haven't talked about anyone you want to lynch for about 30 or so hours. | ||
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On November 25 2013 03:04 Bereft wrote: i would agree with sixty percent odds. there is something that i would like to know. does chezinu write hidden messages only? will he really vote scib? This is Chezinu's role from personality 2. Kita basically took his Personality and made it into a role: | ||
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1)A scum would play to the constrictions that they had enforced on themselves due to being afraid of being hypocritical. Townies would not care and do whatever is needed to lynch scum. That why Mocsta giving up his post restriction is null at worst, town at best. 2)Yeah I misread that post. I'll withdraw that point. 3)That post accomplishes nothing. What were you trying to do with that post? Are you calling him scum for talking about ongoing games? Are you trying to solve the game? No. That post just shits up the thread. 4)"You're right but whatevs" is not a very good defense. If you weren't caught up on the thread, you shouldn't have flip-flopped your read. Your post is just shitting up the thread then. 5)Your switch on Rayn is worse than Mocsta's switches for reasons I've talked about already (Mocsta's vote-switches can't be analyzed too heavy due to a lack of a flip). Your vote switch on Rayn looks like scum deciding to hop on the wagon and then realizing it might be better to be off of it. My TL;DR 1)I got this point from the first post on Rean where you called him scummy for not explaining himself and then go on to not explain yourself. 2)This point is a bit blunted because I misread on #2, but you still contradicted yourself on the first post on Rean. 3)Your agenda to only focus on Mocsta until your Bereft case is pretty scummy. Especially since you failed to explain your read in-depth on Mocsta until D2, after you had spent >36 hours calling him scum for very weak reasons. 4)It's subjective but it looks really obvious to me. Why haven't you voted on your cases? I'm very curious to know. | ||
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Which traitor does the brown empire/army/whatever it is want to lynch today? @HF Once again, I implore you to give me a scumread. Tell me who you want to vote and vote for them. "I'm doctor so I'm exempt from playing" isn't an excuse. @everyone else We all need to get in the thread and start talking again. We have <9 hours until the lynch and if we don't lynch anyone today we are going to fall so far behind. We have too many question marks in HF/Onegu/Chezinu (via jampi) to not get any information out of this day. Let's make a lynch happen. | ||
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So this: On November 25 2013 02:36 Bereft wrote: ##Unvote i'll let this HF thing play out. instead, i'll go with: ##Vote: Mocsta are any of you buying what he's selling? i am very unsatisfied by his excuses for why he almost tripped over himself backpedaling from the sciberia vote. is a bus? | ||
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##unvote ##Vote: Thrawn JJD/Aqua/Thrawn need to de-lurk. Now. | ||
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In my opinion, Mocsta is one of those players who will either: a)get killed in the first 2-3 nights or b)be lynched due to his behavior A town Mocsta is a really good asset for town. Scum will be looking to nightkill him ASAP and if they don't do that, then there is a good chance he is one of them. I'm not disagreeing with you because of my read on your or your points in the case- I just disagree with the principle of lynching Mocsta right now. Is there anyone outside of Mocsta/Bereft you would be ok with lynching? | ||
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On November 25 2013 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote: Hi Corazon. Chezinu! Look into my eyes.. what do you see? What lies beyond them, and what are they reflecting? Do you plan on buddying everyone in this game? | ||
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Alakaslam isn't going to read the game. Chezinu isn't going to read the game. HF isn't going to play, only going to hide under his doc claim. Thrawn isn't going to play, only going to buddy everyone. JJD/Bereft/Onegu/Sciberia aren't active enough (over the course of the entire game, Onegu is doing better though) @Aqua/Moc Let's just vote all of these guys out systematically? Then we can have a 3-way Mexican standoff if we haven't killed the scum yet. | ||
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On November 25 2013 07:26 thrawn2112 wrote: Cor the only reason I haven't joined your Onegu wagon is because I don't have any confidence that I can pick him out when he's scum. I just now read his case and it didn't make me feel anything at all about his alignment. The same goes for the rest of his filter. I don't know if it's language barrier or what, but I am never confident reading him no matter if I think he's town or scum. I honestly don't know how to make that call and if I end up voting him, it will mostly be a process of elimination and consolidation vote. I told you to have more of a thread presence today and you've failed to do that. It's detrimental to town. | ||
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Look at my last 24 hours of posts. You haven't been there and I've been trying to get shit done. I warned you that my spotlight would be on you after D1 if you didn't step up your contributions. You haven't, so we are at this point now. No one else seriously wants to lynch Onegu Lynching HF is a risk I wasn't sure we were planning on lynching Chezinu/Slam I don't want to lynch Mocsta/Aqua All of this means that I have to look at other options. You were the first one to pop in my head. I got my point across; you suddenly de-lurked and now we are having conversation again | ||
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@Mocsta When you get back into the thread, please explain the reasoning behind your random vote switches. Thank you. | ||
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Your case was really hasty and not very well researched. You made a small scum read and didn't even follow it up with proof or anything. You just say "I don't like this, I don't like that". You're not trying to convince us that JJD is scum (at least until this last post) and you're not trying to follow through on your read. On your last post, I think it's a pretty town response from JJD Scum would try to discredit and attack the person Town would try to discredit and attack the argument It's obvious that JJD took the latter approach (he made absolutely no mention of YOU being scum, only your arguments being wrong) and that's why I have a good feeling about him. | ||
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On November 25 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote: you're missing the main point of what I just said. here's what your post should be Go read those quotes again. Does it look like JJD thinks I'm mafia? He IS trying to discredit me by making fun of my cases and calling me a liar, but he is NOT calling me scum. He is trying to make me look bad, and therfore make my case look bad, without having to stick his neck out by calling me mafia. If he's town, and thought I was lying about him and making really terrible cases he would be suspicious of my motives. He was not suspicious, he was only interested in making me look bad. Maybe he thinks you are just misguided town? Town can make bad cases too, not just scum. I think he is trying to make only your case look bad, and you are making the incorrect conclusion that he is trying to make you look bad also. Your lynch isn't on his agenda, so I'm more inclined to think that he just thinks you are town making a bad case, which isn't too far off if you are town. | ||
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On November 25 2013 08:18 Alakaslam wrote: Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon. If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched  but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing.Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone. I'll oblige: Onegu: + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote: Why Onegu is scum and needs to die: I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote: I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me.... Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler + Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler + [Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.] Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town, Calls out bereft also like but I disagree Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. Most of this is true but I think the part after the second quote was me misreading. Most of this is still pretty good evidence IMO. Holyflare: Holyflare claimed doctor N1 for absolutely no reason and said that he saved Thrawn. He replaced in late D1 and has not done much. His excuse? His doctor claim obviously means he is town (it's not an excuse). Mocsta: Basically the fact that his votes gone through Onegu, Sciberia, and JJD in very rapid succession. He is all over the place with a lot of his reads. JJD: I'm not entirely sure. Something about his Rayn vote and tunneling me. Jampi (Chezinu): Jampi has been non-existant the whole game and would probably be the unanimous wagon if he had not been replaced and forced us to talk about other people. Rean (You): Rean's filter is short and according to Aqua he gave very little of his own opinions and some other stuff. Ask Aqua about the Rean case. | ||
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On November 25 2013 08:28 Holyflare wrote: Mocsta is scum, I don't know why cora is defending him so hard. Activity will pick up, it's the weekend, people are busy/have lives but he isn't accepting it and is just attacking people that deface him or defending mocsta for no good reason. He's not saying WHY mocsta is very towny or systematically going through people's cases to acknowledge their points and say "oh here's a good point on why he is town", he's waiting for the person in question to return so he isn't held responsible if he makes a mistake defending his team mate. I'm pretty certain cora and mocsta are scum together. I will make cases soon™. OHHHH SNAP A CASE FROM HF? But to be honest if you read the game for once you would see I've explained my Mocsta defense. | ||
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On November 25 2013 08:31 thrawn2112 wrote: Speaking of JJD's agenda, what is it? What has he done during D2? He has thrown suspicion on you and mocsta but he hasn't pushed either of those lynches. He was very trusting of HF's blue claim and that is very suspicious. He asked for roleblock claims and that is suspicious. I'm not even suggesting that he is fishing for blue claims to plan out his night kills. It's bad because townies don't try to figure out claims by asking other people to claim this early on in the game. Townies know that if someone with a blue role has a reason for knowing that HF's claim is bs, that blue role will come forth. Asking roleblockers to claim this early on just isn't what townies do.... because townies don't want to reveal blue roles. He still hasn't voted. We have no idea who he wants to lynch. Ok I can get agree with that. I like that point and I feel like JJD should answer this. ##unvote | ||
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On November 23 2013 11:43 Holyflare wrote: I am doctor and I saved thrawn. On November 23 2013 11:49 Holyflare wrote: I'm a good shot for a vig, if there is one and he sees, he can save a shot, if scum sees they can kill me over a more towny looking person, it's the only thing i could have done On November 24 2013 11:44 Holyflare wrote: Also @ scib. My actual thought process was that I have contributed nothing and likely couldn't till the end of the weekend, if I just tell them I'm actually the doctor right now scum can get rid of me instead of someone who contributes and it would avoid a lot of wasted effort on this day focusing on me. It doesn't matter who i saved really and who i announced because if I didn't die then they saved their kp for a double kill the next night. If by chance they missed what I said then thrawn was a likely target. | ||
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People voting Mocsta: You need to find other lynch trains. JJD is an acceptable one but I'm starting to think again that Onegu is the best one. I hate to say this but if you Mocsta voters force a no-lynch, I will hunt you down relentlessly and policy lynch you all. Pick a different lynch. | ||
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On November 25 2013 09:30 sciberbia wrote: I agree that Onegu's case has plenty of confirmation bias (malicious or not). A good chunk of his analysis is logically unsound. He did misrepresent Mocsta's play (Bereft's as well) but idk I just find it plausible that he's town and either doesn't read correctly or is so consumed with confirmation bias that he can't think objectively. I don't know. His reactions just feel kinda genuine to me. I'm having a harder time believing JJD genuinely cares about these lynches than Onegu does. Please read my case on him, sci. It's in my filter (pg 9 or 10 I believe) | ||
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On November 25 2013 09:32 thrawn2112 wrote: the onegu lynch.... "feels" harder to achieve? the JJD lynch seems too easy? is that what you're getting at because that's why I just changed votes No I was not sure Onegu was going to get lynched so I unvoted him in the first place just in case consolidation elsewhere was necessary. I feel the best about an Onegu lynch and I hope that others agree. | ||
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On November 25 2013 09:40 thrawn2112 wrote: ##unvote JJD and ONEGU both of you are hereby summoned before the court to be judged for your crimes. As is your right, you are entitled to trial by combat. May the gods give strength to your sword if you are true and may they strike you down if you are false. T.T just vote Onegu please | ||
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On November 25 2013 09:40 Holyflare wrote: I have more experience with him and more experience seeing him scum How many games have you played with Mocsta? Please enlighten me. | ||
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On November 25 2013 09:45 Holyflare wrote: 7 Congratulations, I've played 5 games with him and co-hosted 2 other games he played in. The only difference is that I've been paying attention to the thread and you haven't. So I think my read is better and right. | ||
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On November 25 2013 09:45 sciberbia wrote: I read your case Cora. Honestly the only point I thought was really solid was the one concerning his suspicious change of reads on rayn. Also some of the points have been invalidated. In response to your TL;DR 1) decent point but definitely not a damning scumtell. He may have just been pressed for time yesterday 2) I actually quite like his analysis of Mocsta's post restriction and how Mocsta handled it. I think it's some interesting analysis and is valid. 3) Why is only attacking 4 people a scumtell? Also I don't think tunneling one player the entire game is a scumtell as long as he is doing his damndest to get that player lynched, and still considers other possibilities (such as Bereft). Yesterday he wasn't but today he is. 4) Feels like he's trying to get Mocsta lynched today. Honestly I don't feel the case on Onegu was ever THAT strong and it has been partially invalidated by his contributions today. The majority of my problem with Onegu was that he didn't seem to care about the lynch yesterday. But he does seem to care today, and JJD seems to care even less both days than Onegu did yesterday. 1)That point was also based around the first post I quoted. 2)He also contradicts himself in his first post as well. 3)His scum-hunting has consisted of calling Mocsta scum for being Mocsta and giving a very weak case on Bereft 4)Only took him 40 or so hours of him talking about how Mocsta was scum WHILE giving a case on bereft. It took so much prodding from me to get him to vote. The case has only been partially invalidated (like 70% of this case is still valid) and the stuff from D1 you talked about should fill in for that and still make him a good lynch choice today. | ||
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On November 25 2013 09:55 Bereft wrote: HF is full of shit, lynch him!!! No let's lynch Onegu and HF's claim will either damn him or confirm him | ||
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On November 25 2013 10:03 Aquanim wrote: I've had a thought and I'd like to hear your opinions on this subject. Is it truly plausible that NONE of the initial five on Rayn (Mocsta, Thrawn, myself, Bereft and JJD) were scum? Not so much in the sense of "could a townie want to lynch Rayn" (because clearly we did) but more in the sense of "would scum be comfortable with none of them on the currently going wagon". I wanted to believe this was plausible because I don't like Rayn. But in hindsight I'm beginning to suspect it's not, and since I have a clear town read on everyone bar JJD on that list... I could definitely see this being possible. Unless scum had an agenda to get Rayn lynched D1, I could see a scum hang back and looking at the situation to see how plausible a lynch would be before jumping on/off it. (Just like a certain person who I made a giant case on =P) | ||
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On November 25 2013 10:21 Holyflare wrote: Not onegu, jjd maybe Anything but me and my scumbuddy...? | ||
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On November 25 2013 10:23 Aquanim wrote: I don't think throwing stuff like this is going to make Holyflare respond any better. /not-in-any-way-a-suspicion-of-cora-just-an-observation I don't think any attempt at getting Holyflare to participate in the game will be successful. | ||
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On November 25 2013 11:17 Onegu wrote: Nope see you didnt read my case, mocsta uses scum slips then calls out HF for his use of "scum slips". How could you say my case was a great case when you didnt even read it? I'd love to know where you are going with this. Also good luck convincing the others tomorrow that I'm scum. It's not going to happen. | ||
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On November 25 2013 12:04 Aquanim wrote: dammit corazon can you stop repeating that we got your message already How many town flips does it take for people to listen to what i have to say? | ||
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On November 25 2013 12:07 Mocsta wrote: Corazon you said you were scum in titanic. Were you jacksparrow? Yeah | ||
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On November 25 2013 12:07 Aquanim wrote: I listened to you. I was voting Onegu earlier. I changed my mind and decided JJD was scummier but I listened to your case. Even so, repeating yourself now changes nothing. This is the position we're in and now we do what we can to get out of it. We could vote Onegu. Oh wait... | ||
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I'm also fed up with Thrawn's play. Maybe you should ask him to justify his vote before asking others' opinions on it. This town is bordering on Titanic for worst town ever. | ||
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On November 25 2013 12:21 Mocsta wrote: Yes, I know I'm playing like crap for the past 72 hrs. OK, you are biased against Onegu the other way; maybe what I am interpreting and positive signs are actually null. What do you make of Onegu followups with me? I mean, of course either alignment will follow up a case; but he actually almost seems too excited to provide "evidence" to support his thoughts - to be faking it. As in, hes not harping on the same point and banging the same drum. Hes readjusting his position as I readjust mine. I just find in general to be a tell more applicable to town, as scum usually just want to discredit so are happy the point is being discussed in the first place. Thoughts? Why did it take 119 hours for Onegu to finally be cooperative? It's only after we've poked and prodded him to death that he finally decided to talk. Scum Onegu could see that town JJD was getting lynched and just used it as an opportunity to score free town cred while discussion wasn't really going anywhere? When it comes down to it, his shitty vote was still on you. You know being right too much about which wagon to choose is a scum tell as well? | ||
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On November 25 2013 13:31 Mocsta wrote: Corazon You are correct. I'm completely 50/50 on holy. He loves to play protown scum, whereas here he is really brazen. Unless he's trying to actively adjust his meta I'm. It sure why he would play this was as scum -- even with time restraints. Plus self confirming so I'm. It trying to put time into him. I'm reading scibs with a fine tooth now. I can't help feel his early game was to shit the thread. It's been a consistent feeling of mine all game for each reread. Ohh well more to go. How does what I write about onegu influence your scum read? I don't know, I'll look at other targets. I want to ask you two questions that sound weird but I promise I have a method behind my madness. How strong is your town read on Aqua? Is there anyone else you potentially have a strong town read on? | ||
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In my opinion, the biggest problem of Day 2 was the lack of thread movement in the first 20 hours. This was frustrating for me and for a lot of other active players. It obviously wasn't ideal and I think we need a way to fix that and force people to lurk less; we had to choose between 4-5 lurkers and they had no reason or motivation to delurk. This is bad. What is my suggestion to counter this? We form a town circle with Me, Aqua, Mocsta, and Bereft/Sciberia (one or possibly both). These five have been the most active players in the game and I think we can all put our heads together and force the others to de-lurk. How do we accomplish this? We should all talk for the rest of N2 and the beginning of D3. We should decide on a lynch within the first part of D3 and all pack our votes on that one player. This would force that person to delurk and we can change our vote or not based on their responses. I think we need to work closer together and form a temporary alliance for at least D3 and hopefully D4 if enough of the players are still around. If we can get 5 people in our circle, we can force scum to kill either two people in the circle (and either force HF to protect someone in the circle or out him as scum with a fake claim) or we can have 4 people in our circle and bully one other player into voting with us (if HF is town and gets shot). Let me know if this is a good idea or if I'm just dumb. | ||
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On November 25 2013 15:43 Mocsta wrote: I'm not against the idea Corazon. Def need more discussion. Would you be ok with that group of 5? It only works if we all think we are town at least a little bit. | ||
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On November 25 2013 15:46 thrawn2112 wrote: how bout we not talk about town reads and town circles at night How about you be more active and not force me to talk about this? | ||
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First of all, you've seen what happens when my opinion isn't taken seriously: Rayn flipped town when he was obviously town JJD flipped town when Onegu was the better lynch Why do you think I'm going to claim that no one listens to me? If people had thought about my opinion for two seconds, Rayn might still be around (that is debatable, I'll admit) and Onegu would be lynched and he would probably be more likely to roll scum. This happens in a lot of my games and forces reactions after seeing yet another VT flip due to the town not listening and not reading my arguments (at least without me pushing them). Second of all, you took the post from me and didn't add any context. I wrote it after I had received the 20th post this game that was formatted exactly like this: On November 23 2013 23:34 JarJarDrinks wrote: Want to repoint this out because aqua picked up on it and didn't really follow up: Not quite a scumslip, but pretty close I think. Cora posted quite a bit about how Onegu was likley scum because of how he voted. He made a post right before the flip where he wrote his name in red caps 3 times and then he made several posts after about how scummy he was. So how exactly can someone who believes that say "I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be [Jampi]." His brain shouldn't even be able to process that sentence. He tries to cover it up when questioned by saying: Yeah I meant BESIDES Onegu. But you would think that he wouldn't forget his top scum read. <Insert Corazon post> This post is scummy/a scum slip/is bad/something a scum would say. Corazon looks bad/scummy/like he is scum. <No vote> Before you go on and simply call me a bully, you need to look at others and you need to understand how bullies are made. Bullies aren't made because they think they are better than everyone else, they are made because they are being bullied by someone else, and they feel like they need to pick on others. Well here is the cycle. I get picked on for no reason and for no purpose to the thread other than talking about how scummy I am with absolutely no intention to vote for me. Why does anyone do this? It makes no sense to make these sort of comments without pushing any agenda. It serves one purpose: to irritate and annoy me and throw me off of my game. You (and many others both in this game and on this forum) need to understand that bullying is a cycle, and is rarely a straight line. Back to game matters. I never told you to be a town leader and I never said I was a town leader during D2. I was only town leader due to being the only one active for the entire cycle. I called on you to be more active and while you did step up your game a little bit, it's not enough to help in the scum hunt. I voted for you not just to pick on you, I voted to get you in the thread. My vote for you could've been on JJD or Bereft or Aqua. It was just random choice that I threw it on you (I'd also like to point out that you randomly tried to start a lynch train on me D1, or have you forgotten already?)/ You're not on my train because you aren't active enough. You're doing better than D1 (which is why I don't want you lynched D3) but not enough to be considered for my proposed town circle. Do you understand how frustrated me/Moc/Aqua are about the lack of activity this game? It allows at least 5 people to lurk without fear. There aren't 5 scum in the game. It's just detrimental to have this much lurking in a game, and it's hurting us in the long run. Sorry for the long train of thought but that's what I want to say. | ||
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Look over my proposal for the town wagon and let me know what you think. I think that it could potentially get us back into good shape this game. Going to bed, peace | ||
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On November 26 2013 04:28 Onegu wrote: Cora earlier you had responded to the mocsta case that I posted, yet then you thought my post was a new case with old arguements, how did you not see it was the exact same case you had defended yourself from earlier? Because you fail at BBCode | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:46 Onegu wrote: Did you read it or just glance at it? I mean yes I fail at bbc code but why wasnt it obvious it wasnt the same case you had defended yourself from already? The top part of it looked exactly the same. From what you wrote it looks like you at least look at it because you say those are old arguements and I bring nothing new to the table. I've looked at that post 5 times and outside of the part where you talked about Mocsta's posts at the end, I have no clue what is your writing and what is Mocsta's. | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:52 Onegu wrote: All mocsta, mine is only the part at the bottom. You mean the part where you go 1 analysis 2 analysis 3 analysis and so on? | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:54 Onegu wrote: Its mocsta who failed at bbc code in his spoiler btw not me Well I wrote that post you quoted because I thought it was a case on me. If you were reading you would've seen that I realized that. | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:00 Onegu wrote: Yeah thats me at the bottom with the numbers, the rest is mocstas case that you had already responded to. Just trying to see why you didnt know they were the exact same points already brought up against you and that you responded to. Because the BBCode was so bad I didn't know what was yours and what was Mocsta's. You're not going anywhere with this. | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:06 Onegu wrote: Trust me Im reading very close. You wont like what I found since I will prove you are scum, since its 4am Im going to give you the big things now, and do a full case like mocsta where I dont cherrypick and show all your scummyness tomorrow, but since I am now right onto the real scumteam I might be shot tonight. Preview + Show Spoiler + Mocsta, cDgCorazon, rean/alakaslam LOL | ||
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Watch when Mocsta and I don't die and then HF/Onegu start calling us the scum team. It's gonna be too easy to figure out who is scum. | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:25 Onegu wrote: Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them. Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one? Did you see any votes that lasted from the first few hours of D1 all the way to the deadline? No. Also, I only mentioned votes, not cases. I'm fine with cases and pressure/questioning in the early bits of D1. Why did you blatantly twist my words there? It is because you are scum trying to fake a scum read on me in order to push the agenda of getting me lynched. Town has to find reasons that people are scum. Scum have to make up reasons that people are scum. The fact that Onegu tried to twist my words so that it appeared to have me say that I did not like pressure/cases early D1 is a clear sign that he is scum. | ||
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Why do you insist on twisting my words? You're trying to get me to forget that I didn't say all of the shit you are affirming I said. I said "I don't like votes two hours into a game". Look at my post, that is what I said almost verbatim. I don't like votes two hours into a game because votes should be an intention to lynch. If they are thrown around for pressure, it just takes the bite out of them. If someone throws their vote around a lot, why should I take them seriously when they vote for me? I would know that they are very likely to throw their vote off of me quickly. Now Onegu, it's your turn to answer a question. Why did you just take one post I made and come up with two conclusions that are not obviously right if you were reading the entire post? Either a)You didn't read the post well enough (which is scummy) or b)You're trying to twist my words and make me lookscummier (which is basically lying and fabricating evidence, two very obvious scum tells) | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:59 GMarshal wrote: + Show Spoiler + Day 1 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YYfKpW9.jpg) Thirteen men gathered around GMarshal's casket. Its odd, how a man, in death, is nothing more than a cadaver, a figure of muted reverence, quickly forgotten, weather in life his name invoked horror and reverence or scorn and disgust. The thirteen men spoke in hushed tones around the casket. The body wasn't cold yet, but politics were politics, a successor must be chosen. A truce made in the intrim. One man however wasn't as calm as the others. ObviousOne was rather noticeably nervous, in contrast to the rest of the men, long driblets of sweat streaked down his face. The rest of the men didn't notice, or at least pretended not to. The gathering slowly dissolved, one man at the time peeling away from the group, the meeting time for the next day decided, only ObviousOne having remained behind. The gathering, at dawn of the next day, was a burlesque recreation of the previous nights gathering, except for twelve men instead of thirteen, and a different corpse. ObviousOne's bullet riddled body on the table. One of the men grunted "We have a problem." A silence fell over the room as the facts were laid out, among the twelve men here were three who didn't have the families' best interests in mind. Not only did the men here have to decide on who would lead them and keep the families from turning on each other and the city into a bloodbath, but they also had to find the cops who dared attend this most private of meetings. It would not prove to be easy. GMarshal the Padrino has died of "natural causes" ObviousOne the Police Sting Coordinator has died of lead poisoning. It is day 1! You have 48 hours to determine who to lynch! Remember you need a majority. Vote in this thread in the proper format. And the time stamp for my other post. 25 hours and 16 minutes passed. Not 2 hours and 16 minutes. That is your third lie in about 15 minutes. | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:48 Onegu wrote: ##Dunked | ||
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It was 11 hours and 16 minutes. Not 2 hours 16 minutes. | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:48 Onegu wrote: ##Dunked Please concede | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:58 Onegu wrote: November 21 2013 01:00 November 21 2013 01:16 Soooo 16minutes apart. Yeah. That was about 11 hours after the game started. I had my whole exchange with sciberia and I went to bed. When I woke up, I responded to all the crap about me not voting sci and blah blah blah and then I read the thread and voted for Aqua. Your point is invalid because in order for it to be valid, you needed to hope that I didn't realize that I didn't make this post 2 hours after the game started. Only scum would try to convince the thread that 2=11 when it actually doesn't. | ||
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On November 26 2013 07:11 Onegu wrote: Anyway now 5am, you can thank me for solveing the game with a mafia shot. If not Full case on cora for day 3 believe me there is so much more like the part in his filter where he claims to be not reading. Says my case on mocsta is great but we shouldnt lynch mocsta d2. There is a part in there where he talks about me not careing but words it from a scum PoV. Also you need to look at his post about it being difficult for him to vote rayn. And thats not even includeing his cases. Plus I truely think he is being such a ass in this game as scum agenda, I cannot believe he is town and acting the way he has been. Anyway sleep now way past my bedtime thats what I get for staying up reading his 14 page filter and tldr every post in my notebook and add my thoughts. Pics postgame, have mocstas also, but coras is bigger. That sounded bad. Ok sleep Baby seals. "Corazon just owned me and I don't want to talk about the 3 lies I just told but I swear I have a better case on Corazon and another case on Mocsta" | ||
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First of all: On November 26 2013 06:25 Onegu wrote: Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them. Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one? This is the first example of him fabricating evidence. He mentions multiple times how I said that I did not like cases within the first two hours of the game. This is 100% lie. I clearly stated that I only did not like votes 2 hours into the game. I said absolutely nothing about cases in that post. Why does he come to the conclusion that I don't like cases either? He is trying to turn the facts against me to form a case against me. This is a super scummy thing to do. Then, he changes his attack to "Corazon does not like votes at all". Pretty much self-explanatory here. Why does he change his point of attack? He knows that I caught him lying so he tries to change his interpretation on the fly and continue to pressure me. This isn't a scum-hunting technique, this is a technique where he is desperate to find something scummy about me so he cuts all of the lies out until he can find something scummy. Lastly, he decides to continue to spring his "trap" even though it's pretty obvious his bait is completely phony. His version of the story: I make the post about not wanting to vote two hours into the game at exactly two hours into the game. Then I make the vote on Aqua 16 minutes later (which means that I would have contradicted myself in 2 straight posts). What actually is the truth: I made the post about not wanting to vote two hours into the game 11 hours into the game. I then vote Aqua 11 hours and 16 minutes. The proof for this is in the thread. I showed him the timestamp for the beginning of the game and I compared it to the post that he quoted. 11 hours and 16 minutes. What does Onegu then do? He knows he is caught in a really bad situation, so he just pretends that I never completely stomped his case and peaces out. How is that anything close to a townie response? Onegu needs to be the lynch tomorrow. He told three lies in a 15 minute span and if you let him survive past D3 then this town deserves to lose. | ||
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First of all, I am an investigator and I am checking Onegu tonight. While I'm pretty sure that he is scum, there's no more time to play around and I need to make 100% sure that Onegu is either scum or town. Once we get him out of the way (whether it's from a green check or from lynching him), this game becomes a lot clearer. The evidence points overwhelmingly towards Onegu being scum and I want to get a confirmation of his scumminess so the town can have a clear direction Once Onegu is out of the way, here are the order of people I want to lynch: HF's claim unfounded Chezinu Thrawn To be honest, I really think the scumteam is Onegu/Chezinu/HF but if one of those is disproven, I have to look at my shakiest town read. That happens to be thrawn. I have a lot more faith in my other town reads (Sciberia (I got a green check on him night 1), Aqua, Mocsta, Berift, and Alakaslam, in that order) than I do in my thrawn read. I've talked a little bit about how he is suspicious but once we get that far down the totem pole, I will look more into thrawn. I'm open for questions until the deadline. | ||
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On November 26 2013 11:22 thrawn2112 wrote: cor why do you think bereft is town? Bereft is town because of his activity Day 2 and his contributions to the discussion, which I felt were moving the thread forward. It looked like he was trying to move the thread forward and find the best lynch. Plus I just have a good feeling about Bereft. | ||
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Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Sergei Mikhailov a Private Detective (Town Investigator). You were the bright one in the family and was able to attend criminology school with the help of the "legitimate" side of your family's business. Your role in the family is to find the undercover cops so your business can stay clean and your family's "interests" remain undisturbed. Once per night, you can submit a name to the hosts and receive a message back saying whether your target is an honest Mobster or an undercover Cop. Crush those who would bring down the family "business" | ||
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On November 26 2013 11:47 Bereft wrote: hold up... why didn't you check onegu night 1? wasn't he your strongest scum read all day? Because I would rather spend one check on someone I wasn't too sure of. The difference between last night and tonight is that we NEED to lynch scum tomorrow. I wanted to check someone I was less sure (aka more null) about, just to take off the amount of suspects that I had. I wasn't as sure about Onegu scum as I am now, and getting a red check wasn't as important then as it is now. Also, things weren't as set in stone with 3-4 people who are probably scum. I had about 2-3 solid town reads and was unsure about the rest during night 1. As you can see, I got a green check with sciberia and I stopped attacking him after N1. | ||
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##Vote: Onegu Why did scum decide to shoot Thrawn? That doesn't make any sense. | ||
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On November 26 2013 12:40 Bereft wrote: Cora, pardon if I missed it - am on my phone. what's the motivation for claiming and telling the thread who you're going to check like 30 mins before the deadline? vs. claiming after the night post? Because if I die, I let the thread know that I was checking Onegu and that scum would kill me to not allow me to get a check. Which would incriminate Onegu. Also, it would force the scum to take me out, potentially letting someone else live (which would be better because my scum-hunting skills aren't as good as, say, Aqua's). I think I didn't die because scum team was either inactive (would fit into Onegu/HF/Chezinu) or aren't reading the thread (again, would fit into Onegu/HF/Chezinu). | ||
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On November 26 2013 13:03 Mocsta wrote: Corazon, I have been through all your posts that have "scib" in them post-Day2. I dont get your position on 2 specific posts: You already gave reasons earlier for why you had a town read on Sciberbia, yet hes not in your "keep as town" list? Then: Shouldn't this be: Me, Aqua, Mocsta, Sciberbia and MAYBE Bereft? I decided not to make my 180 on sciberia completely obvious because I knew it would be pointed out (because the whole game my posts were nitpicked on). I didn't want to have to out myself before I wanted to. I'd rather have my scum read on sciberia simply just die out instead of making it obvious that I had 180'd on sciberia. | ||
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Scenarios: HF/Onegu are town, scum would kill Mocsta to have us mislynch one of them HF/Onegu are town, scum would not kill Mocsta would be a bad play b/c Mocsta is a great analysis player and has no pressure from anyone outside of HF/Onegu HF/Onegu are scum, they kill Mocsta and expose themselves as scum because they've tunneled a townie the whole game and are out of reads HF/Onegu are scum, they let Mocsta live so they can continue to tunnel him and fake activity/scumhunting It's the last one. HF/Onegu have put all of their eggs in the Mocsta basket and forces them to keep him alive @Alakaslam: You seem to understand Chezinu's dialect of English- is there anything magical that he has said that looks townie to you? | ||
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On November 26 2013 14:32 Onegu wrote: HAHAHA, YES IM EXPECTING POST GAME CONGRATS CORA! . I nailed the scumteam but am too scummy to get out of this lynch with a fake red check on me. Will make the cora case later today, suggest we go to a 24 hour day though. Yes I dont think I was framed because a cora didnt gave a n1 check and cora is scum. Also since it is mylo scum are setting up a mislynch on HF day 4 because he missed his save. Will respond to mocstas response to my case now. Rean is my least sure read it is basicly connection to mocsta, and cora, but that can only truely be done after cora and mocstas flips. If you are a vigi and somehow not shot yet this is mylo. My mislynch and a scum nightkill is gg. You have to shoot cora, dont shoot into the lurkers shoot the person who claimed a red check on the person who knew was going to make a case on him day 3. And most likely caught the scum team. Read my case yes it might be long but read it and read coras filter for yourself then shoot cora or its gg. Also the cora thing last night was a mistake, I wasnt lieing like he claims but for some reason I thought he was saying its only 2 hours into the game Im not going to make a vote, it was 2 hours into a game, thats what staying up late to filter dive does I guess. But I still stand on the bolded part I made no way that comes from a town PoV. But really that is only a small mistake and my case is really legit. Alot of the stuff he posts cannot come from a town PoV like that bolded part.. Anyway I will say gg to scum, but really because I had irl stuff day 1 and need to learn to post my cases better, scum won. + Show Spoiler + If I am correct of course, if not correct in at least cora and mocsta then really well played scum. I really think I am correct as I put alot of effort into this game from behind the scenes as you will see post game when I show pics of my note book. When you read books, do you like read every third word of the book or something? Because I gave a N1 check (sciberia). Also + Show Spoiler + LOL | ||
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On November 26 2013 14:45 Mocsta wrote: Ac tually convinced ##unvote ##vote:mocsta scum. guy catch scum... caught me I'm pretty sure this is how Onegu has read the thread. | ||
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If the scumteam is Onegu/HF/Chezinu, please give up right now. Save us time. Please. | ||
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On November 26 2013 23:45 Onegu wrote: Cora while you are here can you answer a question for me? What points did you agree with, what part was great? I actually have to go to school now. I'm sorry but i will give you a better answer later. For now, I agreed with the party about Mocsta changing his reads a lot (which was basically your whole case). It was more along the lines of "I'm really annoyed with Mocsta and if he keeps doing it I might start getting suspicious of him". | ||
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@Holyflare A couple of things. Can you explain your thrawn save N1 again for me? Why are you lurking at the deadline and not participating in the discussion or giving out your reads if you are town? @Alakaslam You told us that Chezinu is town but you never gave any evidence for it and never suggested an alternate scum member. How come? @Chezinu Who's "true color" did you attempt to find out last night? | ||
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We're lynching Onegu first. The argument about framer/GF is as much WIFOM as the argument that HF missed two saves. I'm not going to have you guys not listen to me three days in a row and so I'm going to force an Onegu lynch first. My vote stays on Onegu. | ||
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On November 27 2013 01:45 GMarshal wrote: Day durations are going to stay the same, sorry. Can we play instant majority lynch? | ||
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I'm not going off the Onegu wagon. Mocsta and Rayn were allowed 12 hours and the D1 vote to play their ego battle, it's only right that I get my ego battle and I get to be the hero. I put all of the damn work in, and I'm not going to get anything out of it because NO ONE IN THIS THREAD HAS SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED ANY SINGLE IDEA I HAVE PUT FORTH IN THIS ENTIRE GAME. If you all aren't going to work with me, I'm not going to work with you. Vote me if you wish, but I would have to nominate it for the worst lynch of 2013... /rant | ||
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On November 27 2013 11:27 Mocsta wrote: so instead of working towards the safest win con for town. You want an ego battle that could potentially throw the game? so instead of not voting out someone who was townie you want an ego battle that set up a mislynch d1? | ||
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Now I have the power and you all are trying in vain to get me to listen to you. Do you understand that me listening to you was what got us into this mess? Rayn was a bad lynch and I only voted for JJD for consolidation. I'm done listening to anyone else because no one ever started listening to me. It's either Onegu or no-lynch. Your choice. | ||
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##Vote:Mocsta Hey scum, lets vote out Mocsta plz | ||
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##Vote: sciberia | ||
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##Vote: Chezinu | ||
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##Vote: Bereft | ||
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##Vote: cDgCorazon I don't want to play anymore. GG | ||
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Because of your abuse, we are going to lose the game. Gratz. | ||
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I mean Mocsta/Aqua/Bereft/JJD/thrawn | ||
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On November 25 2013 16:14 cDgCorazon wrote: @Thrawn: First of all, you've seen what happens when my opinion isn't taken seriously: Rayn flipped town when he was obviously town JJD flipped town when Onegu was the better lynch Why do you think I'm going to claim that no one listens to me? If people had thought about my opinion for two seconds, Rayn might still be around (that is debatable, I'll admit) and Onegu would be lynched and he would probably be more likely to roll scum. This happens in a lot of my games and forces reactions after seeing yet another VT flip due to the town not listening and not reading my arguments (at least without me pushing them). Second of all, you took the post from me and didn't add any context. I wrote it after I had received the 20th post this game that was formatted exactly like this: Before you go on and simply call me a bully, you need to look at others and you need to understand how bullies are made. Bullies aren't made because they think they are better than everyone else, they are made because they are being bullied by someone else, and they feel like they need to pick on others. Well here is the cycle. I get picked on for no reason and for no purpose to the thread other than talking about how scummy I am with absolutely no intention to vote for me. Why does anyone do this? It makes no sense to make these sort of comments without pushing any agenda. It serves one purpose: to irritate and annoy me and throw me off of my game. You (and many others both in this game and on this forum) need to understand that bullying is a cycle, and is rarely a straight line. Back to game matters. I never told you to be a town leader and I never said I was a town leader during D2. I was only town leader due to being the only one active for the entire cycle. I called on you to be more active and while you did step up your game a little bit, it's not enough to help in the scum hunt. I voted for you not just to pick on you, I voted to get you in the thread. My vote for you could've been on JJD or Bereft or Aqua. It was just random choice that I threw it on you (I'd also like to point out that you randomly tried to start a lynch train on me D1, or have you forgotten already?)/ You're not on my train because you aren't active enough. You're doing better than D1 (which is why I don't want you lynched D3) but not enough to be considered for my proposed town circle. Do you understand how frustrated me/Moc/Aqua are about the lack of activity this game? It allows at least 5 people to lurk without fear. There aren't 5 scum in the game. It's just detrimental to have this much lurking in a game, and it's hurting us in the long run. Sorry for the long train of thought but that's what I want to say. | ||
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On November 27 2013 13:32 Alakaslam wrote: Rather is anyone asserting Cora started this? Aqua/JJD/Mocsta made at least 5 posts in the format I suggested. I'm too lazy to filter dive them all but that is what started the bullying. I had a bit of a meltdown D2 about it. | ||
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On November 24 2013 00:36 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm sick of this shit. My play has been nitpicked more than anyone else's the entire game and it has gone nowhere. Why does everyone think that they are required to post every single thought of theirs? That is how threads get to be 200 pages long. I'm done. I'm absolutely done. From now on, I'm just going to vote everyone who nitpicks my posts for no reason. Fuck you guys. ##unvote ##Vote: JarJarDrinks On November 24 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote: MOAR NITPICK MOAR VOTE SWITCH ##unvote: ##Vote: Onegu I'll only be a detriment to the scum-hunt if you guys force me to. On November 24 2013 07:28 cDgCorazon wrote: To be honest I don't really care about what I said. People are going to find a way to twist it to look scummy. I don't like a post from JJD but I don't think he's scum but I do think he's scum but I'm not going to vote for him and now I'm just rambling on and shitting up the thread and I don't really care and I don't really care and this person is scummy and this is what is going on in my head and i think im so important that i should share every thought i have and i can wish-wash and call people scummy yet not think they are scum and not vote for them and basically waste our time with useless bullshit and tire me out because i just want to play but i get called scum every-other post that i make and scum try to pick on me andandnandandnandnandandnandnandnandnandandnandnandnandnandandn On November 24 2013 08:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Talking about how I make scummy posts and then deciding to no-lynch cause no one wants to vote for me. On November 24 2013 08:37 cDgCorazon wrote: And give you a chance to find a phantom "scum slip"? No On November 24 2013 08:52 cDgCorazon wrote: I've been too busy making pre-planned posts to explain myself to care about anything else. On November 24 2013 09:03 cDgCorazon wrote: For every 1 good post you write about me, you write 5 of these... Do you understand why I am frustrated with you? If you want me to cooperate, I'm going to make a request from you. You have to not call me "scummy" unless you make a case that encompasses my play the entire game and accompany said case with a vote. I don't want anything else from you about your read on me, even if others ask you for your opinion on me. Is that clear? On November 24 2013 09:05 cDgCorazon wrote: I wish that would work but I get all of these bullshit "Cora is scummy but not scum" posts when I'm not around. | ||
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On November 27 2013 13:26 Mocsta wrote: This is a fucking farce. Corazon fake claimed... Is this for fucking real? Holy.. u compared my role pm to Cora to show Cora fake claimed. Why are you still assuming I'm scum?? I don't like this post. It looks scummy | ||
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On November 27 2013 13:43 Alakaslam wrote: That is how people get their points across (Though I don't red stuff) It's a FoS, it isn't a ihu No, they did it multiple times and didn't follow up on it at all. Btw Moc: Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Sergei Mikhailov a Mobster (Vanilla Townie) . You so dislike the term mobster, you prefer to consider yourself a business man. You've never been implicated by the police, despite the dozen or so murders your family stands accused of. You are very much a neo-capitalist, having abandoned the old comunist regime at the height of the cold war, your ancient KGB connections still serve you well, allowing you to operate in the gray area between law and crime that is oh so difficult to pin down. Crush those who would bring down your "business" This is my real role | ||
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On November 27 2013 13:46 Alakaslam wrote: That always happens. That probably means they dropped them. If not maybe they are just as scummy. Mocsta told me one of my posts was "too constructed" and then continued to not talk about me. He just chimed in to say that post was scummy and then went onto other things. | ||
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Ok, I'll get behind that. ##unvote ##Vote: mocsta | ||
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On November 27 2013 13:50 Mocsta wrote: I need to see the on from bereft to confirm his also has a similar ending. This is still totally fucked. So we don't even k ow I'd sci is town now? Corazon.. why was sci your best read to fake a cop check with..... Because I looked for a read I stopped attacking and it was sci. It just fit in with my story. Congratz Mocsta, this is what I had to stoop to in order to get my voice heard. And it didn't even work. That is so sad. | ||
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On November 27 2013 13:57 Bereft wrote: cora THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. this is about lynching someone who is certainly scum vs someone who is almost certainly scum. why are you being like this?? this is the safe play here. this has nothing to do with us discounting your reads. nobody is bullying you. nobody put any worth in my JJD town read either or my mocsta case. I don't mind. I dropped my mocsta case in large part because of your town read. No, you guys are discounting my reads. You've done it all game. I had to motivate about 6 people to read my Onegu case. Why should that be? Several people promised to vote for Onegu and LIED TO ME. Flat out lied to me and reneged on their promises. I want to lynch Onegu, how hard of a request is that? He's going to flip scum because I spent 72 hours attacking him in all the right ways and poked a hole in every single argument he has made. And now Mocsta and Sciberia think he is town? Like WTF is this? I'm done not being taken seriously. You should have done it D1 and especially D2. Now I have the power and you all want to throw the game? It's pretty sad. | ||
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On November 27 2013 14:06 Mocsta wrote: U and holy are ruining this game. Gm is a good host and deserves better than this. You need to cook down and reread the last 3 pages. Holy has scum claimed with how he keeps taking pot shots. Look how he uses MY VT role pm to call you out for a fake claim. Turns out he was right, but why is my role pm valid if he thinks I'm scum Holyflare can play decent town. Even if he is time poor he doesn't have to be like this. Again I want to know why you chose scibs. I also want to know why your opinion changed from. NIght 1 to day2...wtf?? I got a green check on him. Or did he? I'm a good player and I deserve better than this, Mocsta. | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:28 cDgCorazon wrote: You know what, I don't want any part of this. Rayn and Moc are just battling with their egos and this whole thing is silly. I would say that I'd rather have Rayn be lynched so we can move on to more things but I also think it is really stupid that we are voting Rayn out when it's pretty obvious to me now that he is town. ##unvote ##Vote: No-lynch This is stupid and I can't believe that it has come to this. Rayn is a bad lynch and Onegu/Aqua are way better lynches today. | ||
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Vote me then. I know you want to. | ||
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##unvote ##Vote: Onegu My ultimatum still stands. Me or Onegu. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I'm gonna guess night kill will be Alakaslam/Sciberia. I'm spoilering this b/c I know Onegu won't read it. | ||
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##Vote: Onegu See you guys after the deadline. | ||
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Can you look at Mocsta's game from a scum perspective (scum kills, HF's reads, the rayn lynch) and tell me if it makes sense for Mocsta to be scum? The wheels have been turning in my head and I'm liking what I'm thinking. | ||
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On December 01 2013 14:15 Mocsta wrote: Like.. the more I think about.. the more I think it's stupid for onegu and holyflare to push the same agenda so hard. It's more likely in my opinion for holyflare to be feeding onegu Plus Corazon has slowly been banking towards a push on me ever since bereft showed signs of weakness in his town read on me. I really have to re read holyflare filter. If the lynch is between slam and onegu, I am considering a slam lynch right now instead Why are you so reluctant to lynch Onegu? Why can't you keep your story straight for more than 6 hours at a time? | ||
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It all works in my head, I just need to put it into words. | ||
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Mocsta case coming soon, 1-2 hours. I have to make it look all pretty for y'all. | ||
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On December 02 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote: I got it in before deadline, you are waiting until after deadline. If you make it before deadline like you say you are then great. The deadline is in 10 hours. Can you please give up, scum? You're looking really pathetic. | ||
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Thesis (TL;DR in paragraph form) + Show Spoiler + Mocsta is scum due to his actions completely matching a scum Mocsta (lynches/nightkills) and his interactions within an Onegu/HF/Mocsta scum team. His D1 agenda was to attempt to take out either Rayn or Aqua (both strong town players, which he tried to do by sheeping on the Aqua wagon and was successful by manipulating Rayn's tempermental personality to blow up and have him basically self-claim scum). He sheeped on the JJD lynch to take out a townie. The night kill on Aqua was because he is a strong town player and the night kill on Thrawn was because Thrawn was buddying him and having a town read on Mocsta (an attempt to gain town cred). His interactions with HF and Onegu (especially with his reluctance to lynch Onegu) is an attempt for him to save his buddies and win today. Part 1: Mocsta's actions this game and how they work from a scum prespective This part assumes that:
Mocsta's votes and the nightkills make complete sense from Mocsta's perspective. Any scum player would go into this game and ask themselves "Who are the strongest town players here?". The answers from scum Mocsta would be simple: Rayn and Aqua. His goal would be to take those two out as quickly as possible. He jumps on the Aqua lynch really easily and for no reason: On November 20 2013 17:21 Mocsta wrote: Quote of the day. + Show Spoiler + Its interesting the case on Rean only came out after I gave some meta speil on Aquanim being proactive  I gotta get some credit mason man ##Vote: Aquanim Choo-Choo !! Mocsta saw this lynch as a stupidly easy way to get Aquanim lynched D1 and jumped at the chance. He just +1s Thrawn and gives absolutely no reason for an Aqua lynch. This just screams of scum trying to get a good town player lynched without having to nightkill him. We then move onto the Rayn lynch, which I don't really need quotes for. Mocsta knows Rayn's personality. Rayn can be a real big asset to town but can also make everyone think he is scum when he is agitated enough. What did Mocsta do? He sat there and waited for an opening to prod Rayn. Once he did that, the 12-hour shitfight that was the conclusion of D1 happened and Rayn basically scum claimed as town. That was "directly" caused by Mocsta and it's ridiculously scummy. D2 was really scummy for Mocsta. He says that: On November 23 2013 09:16 Mocsta wrote: sihh you huysbare playing like rayn. looking too much into words spoken and go.... oohh scum slip scum slip. thats stupid play.. townies say incorrect things all the time need to start looking into motive. anyone reading the thread from page 27 onwards should have known with crystal clear clarity that rayn was the elephant in the room that needed too be discussed. avoiding this discussion is scummy, especially because he is green in hindsight. giving weak beans reasons that he istown, and presenting a counter and then disappearing is also weak beans. all that is doing is satisfying the checklist of what to do near a lynch. conviction people. I expect the night kill to be myself or thrawn, probably thrawn since some of you are starting to question me. if I die, please read over my posts carefully. my confirmed flip DOES NOT make my reads right, but at least guarantees my intent is there. people like onegu, holy, rwan [rean] are the best flips for day2. I would go with holyflare personally as he has the best chance to convince you guys he is town but for all the wrong reasons, cheers guys, I have enjoyed playing this game and don't regret lynching rayn. I feel it was a byproduct of having a majority lynch setup but we can save thiabdiscussion for post game. if I'm alive, I will be out for maybe the first 24hrs. sorry, but real life is real life. good lcuk Yet does absolutely nothing to get these 3 lynched. I tried to get a wagon started on Onegu and he said that he would vote for Onegu, yet: On November 25 2013 10:40 Mocsta wrote: Thanks guys for the feedback. I feel as frantic with the rayyn lynch. Whereas two cycles in a row he diesnt care. Why is it that it's all the same people talking at this pivotal time. I'm confident we are all town, and scum are letting us in fight with each other. Yes, wagon of justice. ##vote: jarjardrinks He gives no reason for lynching JJD. He didn't say he wanted to consolidate and he didn't say that JJD is scum for X reason. He's just trying to steer the lynch off of Holyflare/Onegu. That is why he lied about planning on voting for Onegu, even though he said multiple times that he though Onegu was scum and that he wanted to lynch Onegu. Why wasn't he pushing his reads? He spent D2 jumping targets and trying to lynch outside of yourself/Onegu (who I proved was scum)/HF (who was pretty scummy). It screams of survival for the team over actually trying to lynch scum. The JJD wagon was a great excuse to coast his way into MYLO. The nightkills N2 also make sense from Mocsta's perspective. He got rid of Aquanim, the other strong town player, and Thrawn, someone who had buddied him. He thought that we would take Thrawn's strong town read on Mocsta and take it as true words from a dead VT. This is the part where Mocsta should have died. If Aqua/Rayn/Mocsta/myself are all dead, the thread comes to a standstill. We saw this from D2 when Mocsta was strapped for time and it was just Aqua and I pushing the thread with Mocsta chiming in. The fact that scum did not want to take this huge advantage and kill town Mocsta makes me really suspicious as to why he is still around. Warning: This section contains some WIFOM Not only does the above make Mocsta look bad, his interactions between Onegu and Holylfare have been suspicious as well. Mocsta has been really reluctant to push or vote both of them and my reads on them make my scum read on Mocsta that much stronger. In the middle of D2, Onegu came up with his weaksauce case on Mocsta. What would a scum team need in that situation?
Why does this make sense? Onegu makes a bad case and gets everyone to think it is a desperation scum move to throw a case on a townie. Mocsta uses this to survive MYLO and win the game after Onegu flips red. Mocsta and Onegu basically proceed to avoid each other to make it not obvious that it is a bus. Mocsta tries to steer the lynch off of Onegu (what he has done the last few pages) and Onegu has been trying to keep a scum read on me. The proof that the scum team is Mocsta/HF/Onegu is in these two posts by Holyflare: On November 27 2013 14:35 Holyflare wrote: Mocsta, we've been had by the bereft/cora/slam trio! Why does HF refuse to think that Onegu is scum and then flip-flop on his Mocsta read? It's because HF wants everyone to think his Mocsta scum read was just desperation attacks on a townie. However, his inability to keep his story straight means that he is trying to hide the fact that he is scum buddies with Mocsta. He wants to have the Mocsta scum read for proof of scumhunting but HF doesn't want us to remember Mocsta's scumminess. It screams of a bus to me as well, simply as an excuse for activity. In conclusion, this game makes sense from scum Mocsta's perspective. I am very confident for the above reasons that the scum team is Mocsta/Onegu/HF. Mocsta isn't a bad player. He's not going to contradict himself and calling him scum has to be more complicated than finding something scummy in his writing. I didn't figure this out until I thought about the game and what scum would try and do. Mocsta's actions fit the bill for what scum would do this game. | ||
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On December 02 2013 02:46 Onegu wrote: Ggnore. Im out no more posts until post game. This game has been very fustrateing, like I put a bunch of effort into this game as evidenced by my notes, and I understand people thinking I am scum and not wanting to listen to me, but saying even after I flip they wont take a look. And I never let people get under my skin but cora has done it this game, I guess gratz to him... Onegu if you are VT we deserve to lose the game and you need to drastically reinvent your play. If you are scum, carry on. | ||
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On December 02 2013 06:08 Onegu wrote: Like you guys really think coras case and push on aqua day one was real? Read my case!!! sad pandas /end rant No more posts Why is your case on me limited to D1? Why haven't you analyzed my play for the whole game? | ||
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On December 01 2013 20:08 Mocsta wrote: Back on a comp now, and about to start filter diving. Holyflare first + some VCA + I have to double check if Corazon maintained his ##no-lynch to deadline (because in my memory he swapped to Rayn). If his ##no-lynch was maintained, this looks pretty bad as he has never voted with town for all finished lynches. The bold is a complete lie. I voted for JJD. Why did you blatantly lie Mocsta? Were you expecting town not to look at the votecounts? Why are you throwing lies and shit accusations everywhere? | ||
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You think Onegu is scum, you've said it at least 3 times. Now an Onegu lynch is on a silver platter and you don't want to take it? Why? | ||
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On December 02 2013 08:07 Mocsta wrote: Someone is confirmation biased. *I* pasted the votecounts for all 3 days. Did I comment on this in the VCA which followed after this. *No* Because double-check showed it was wrong. Jesus Christ.. this game is lost because after Onegu you are just going to tunnel me and listen to no one. And because its majority lynch, you have all the power. You said your double check was about the Rayn lynch and then made a statement that conveniently had nothing to do with the JJD lynch. The second sentence has the first part a true fact (that I no-lynched D1) followed up by a conclusion that was a blatant lie. If you had said that you were going to check the JJD lynch, then it would've been alright. But since you didn't, it is you throwing lies around. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:16 Bereft wrote: the issue is that you don't sound like a paranoid, confused townie. you sound like you are pushing an agenda. I believe you referred to scib as licking my balls and cuddling up to me. the word choice seems to me more indicative of someone trying to plant doubt than someone questioning assumptions and generating discussion. it raises a red flag is all. do you still think onegu is irrefutably scum? do you think scib is more likely to be scum than slam? To piggyback a bit on this point, it is MYLO. You should not be acting like a paranoid townie. You should have enough confidence in one lynch and push it. Being a strong town player Moc, you should know this more than anyone. So why is it that you refuse to lynch Onegu again? | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote: I even ask Bereft to consolidate I don't have a clue what you are talking about. You're still reluctant to lynch him. You're only doing it for consolidation. Why are Sciberia/Slam/myself scummier than Onegu? | ||
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On December 01 2013 14:09 Mocsta wrote: I'm down with a Corazon lynch I think I'm alive because I have a strong town read in someone I shouldn't. I will be home in about 6hrs and am will filter dive from there. Scibs has voiced my concern pretty well. Oddly enough he didn't seem concerned I called him out. This game is just odd and my care factor has sunk to zilch. That's courtesy if Corazon. I'm happy to lynch hun for funsies. ##unvote ##vote:Corazon So this post is from an alternate universe or something? You write on sentence about how I could be town due to a post by HF but then you say I'm still suspicious. If that one point is enough to give you a town read on me, why did you vote for me in the first place? | ||
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Look, I'm going to make this simple. You started the Rayn bandwagon. You prodded him until he blew up. You KNEW that he would blow up if provoked and you did that. It's ridiculously anti-town to get Rayn to blow up and you should have known that there were better lynches D1. If you are saying that my case is based off of Onegu being scum, why are you so afraid so lynch Onegu? You said he is scum (in red letters) D2 and you decided to lynch both JJD and HF over him? You don't even want to lynch him now. Hell, I don't even know who you WANT to lynch today. You're just reluctantly going on the Onegu wagon. It just reads to me like you are afraid of what will happen when Onegu flips red. The game makes sense with you being scum, Mocsta. Do you understand that? HF and Onegu have waffled on their reads on you and it looks really suspicious. Please, tell me how you would have played and who you would have nightkilled first if you were scum. There are 3 strong town players and 1 active town player in this group: Rayn Aqua You Me These 4 people have driven the thread the entire game. Without them, the scum would have a really easy time directing the lynches. I'm town, so there is a good chance that you are scum. If we are both town, we would not be here right now. | ||
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On November 22 2013 13:11 Mocsta wrote: Btw, I think Thrawn is town. I did very much 24hrs ago; and his compulsion to keep swapping votes is towny to me. It could put him heavily under suspicion when rayn flipped town, and frankly, was unnecessary as scum play. I thought Aqua was town from 24hrs ago as well. Holy states that aqua is ignoring everything, but that is not my opinion. If anything, Aqua can't stop bantering back with Rayn. Again, this is over done knowing it is a town flip. Aqua could have easily nested on his read - but he did not. I have a town lean on him, but wiill still be reading his cases carefully (and with Rayn gone I expect more output like cases from him) Me: I was transparent about policy. You want to call that mafia, whatever. I knwo this game is 100% different to my recent scum game. Nothing more needs to be said + I dont knwo why you keep insinuating I am intimate with Rayns meta. I have expectations of his play, but I am not a connoiseur of him at all. Onegu: Looks pretty bad I agree regardless of AFK. This in particular. Nothing to do with the AFK its got to do with how he went about the situation. He gives rayn a town read, and forces town to consider Rayns thread opposition (me) Compare this to Corazon who is trying to avoid continuing this ego battle - Onegu instead fans the flames. Onegu *is* scum The post I am referencing. This was about 9 days ago (216 hours). | ||
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On November 21 2013 23:43 Mocsta wrote: Wild theory #1 (stated previously) Vonthin has played 3 newbies all town. Suddenly rolls scum and replaces out before posting Wild Theory #2 Rayn got his role pm (scum) and decided to replace into the thread before joining the QT. After a while gets town reads and realises Rean is on his team. backpedals suddenly and we stuck with this rayn now who is miles apart from the rayn yesterday. This post started the Rayn craziness. What was the purpose of this? To provoke Rayn | ||
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You were not going to be lynched anytime soon so it actually does makes sense to get rid of people who would be better at finding townies. All you had to do was lynch one townie and you would have won the game. Your point is not valid there. | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:00 Mocsta wrote: Yeah OK, I provoked him and what? Why is it scummy to provoke people Corazon? I had a town read on Aquanim and a scum read on Rean. Rayn was swapping from Rean to Aqua suddenly. Again, why can't I prod. Even with the above, you completely neglect that Thrawn threw out several points against Rayn long before the quote above. Be consistent dude. You should have known that Rayn has a limit and that if that limit is pushed, what happened D1 happens. He voted you so obviously you were the one who provoked him too much. It's one thing to prod him with logical questions but to make a post like that has only one intention: to push Rayn past the limit. It's scummy cause you got Rayn lynched with it. | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:01 Mocsta wrote: Why even make this post? I put 3 scenarios I can think off the top of my head, and the one I felt was most likely wasnt even the one you are talking about here. The 4th scenario is that you are scum | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:08 Mocsta wrote: it's conjecture. Far from pushing him to the limit. Wild accusations from you to suit your theory. Why ignore thrawns earlier case.... Why make a post like that? | ||
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On December 02 2013 10:01 cDgCorazon wrote: You're still reluctant to lynch him. You're only doing it for consolidation. Why are Sciberia/Slam/myself scummier than Onegu? On December 02 2013 10:15 cDgCorazon wrote: So this post is from an alternate universe or something? You write on sentence about how I could be town due to a post by HF but then you say I'm still suspicious. If that one point is enough to give you a town read on me, why did you vote for me in the first place? | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:10 Mocsta wrote: Right. So poor play is scummy play? Stop being a Noob and looking at actions. Are my flips transparent... If so.. it's typical of town motivation. If bot transparent. Then I am hiding behind wishy washyness which is typical of scum. Considering I have been upfront the entire game, I can not comprehend how this is being associated as scummy vs poor. Does taking "wishywashyness" and calling it "transparency" make you town? No. | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:11 Mocsta wrote: because you ignored thrawn provoking rayn before I did. I am highlighting your tunnel. Because you ignored how stupid and useless that post was. | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:12 Mocsta wrote: Both have been answered Where is the breakdown? You haven't answered them. You don't want an Onegu lynch and you're just going with it because consolidation. Standing out on this lynch is basically a scum claim. But you don't want this lynch and haven't explained why sciberia isn't scummier than Onegu. Do you believe in your reads anymore? | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:19 Mocsta wrote: See Corazon You aren't talking to me to ascertain ny alignment. .you have already made up your mind and will take whatever I say negatively. This is a back to basics game. I hope you learn from this and take on the feedback. I stand by you being town abd I stand by you being stubborn. This game is over regardless of whether onegu flips town or scum. Because you refuse to touch on the fact that you said "Onegu is scum" N1 and haven't pushed for his lynch (or anyone else's lynch) since then. Ever since N1 you haven't had the same reads for 3 hours at a time and you don't even believe in the ones you have now. You don't want to lynch Onegu. Admit it. | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:27 Mocsta wrote: Corazon: You're completely wasting my time now. You are certainly not the "hero" this town needs. This will be my last post until post-game. Yes, even if the game continues after Onegu. //You are on my personal ban list. I have zero desire to continue playing with you now; nor in the future. Dude. I'm not being a dick to you. If anything I should be more of a dick to you for the way you've treated me this game. Ofc if you are scum then we can kiss and make up post-game | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:42 Mocsta wrote: That has nothing to do with the plausibility of me being scum. Because of this lynch mechanic: you are ruining the game for everyone single-handedly. That wasn't talking about you being scum. That was about you being mad at me. How do you think I felt when I pushed the Onegu lynch D2 but they decided to lynch JJD because Thrawn posted 2 sentences about his scumminess? | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:45 Mocsta wrote: You are venting your frustration at failing to secure a Onegu lynch towards me. So again: That has no plausibility towards me being scum. This isn't about you being scum Mocsta, this is about you being mad at me and saying I'm ruining the game for the town. How could I not get frustrated when I write a giant post about Onegu being scum and have to get people to read it (instead of them reading it on their own) when Thrawn writes "JJD is scummy, lets lynch him" and then he gets a majority. Why do you think I reacted in the way I did? | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:27 Mocsta wrote: Corazon: You're completely wasting my time now. You are certainly not the "hero" this town needs. This will be my last post until post-game. Yes, even if the game continues after Onegu. //You are on my personal ban list. I have zero desire to continue playing with you now; nor in the future. I'm talking from this post onwards. | ||
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Why is this: -jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum More convincing than this: On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote: Why Onegu is scum and needs to die: I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote: I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me.... Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler + Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler + [Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.] Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town, Calls out bereft also like but I disagree Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. If Thrawn had a thought-out and convincing argument for JJD, I wouldn't be mad. But that is far from the case. I put in more effort to make a case that is 100000 times better than what Thrawn wrote. Why did town listen to Thrawn and not me? | ||
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Plz modkill me. That is going to be my postgame analysis. | ||
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On December 02 2013 12:04 Bereft wrote: onegu flips town and you think mocsta is probably town??? whaa? I don't really care anymore. We've lost and Onegu being town threw away half of my case. I wonder if Onegu decided before the game that he was going to play as scummy as possible to see how long he would go without being lynched. | ||
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On December 02 2013 12:17 Mocsta wrote: Are you scum claiming or something? Your reaction to dropping me as a read is not natural even with a Onegu flip. Im surprised you admit 50% is association based, because you werent doing this before. Because if Onegu was scum it would have worked. I don't care anymore. This game is over. | ||
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I'm guessing the point of the game was to put the blue roles aside and see if a town could win w/o the help of blue roles. The fact that it didn't wasn't expected. | ||
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My case on Mocsta falls apart a bit as most of the association stuff was with him and Onegu. I have no clue who the other two scum are so I can't use their associations w/Mocsta against him. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:02 Aquanim wrote: Corazon you faked a redcheck on a goddamn townie stop talking shit I faked a redcheck on a townie that tried really hard to play as scummily as possible because I was mad that I wrote a giant case only to have the lynch derailed when one person writes "I don't like JJD's play" I ain't talking shit I'm talking the truth | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:07 VisceraEyes wrote: It's hard to analyze this game without mentioning Cora bullying the entire town all game long while simultaneously playing the victim. It made the game hard to watch, I can only imagine how hard it must have been to play. Cora, I think you're a fine person, but you really need to consider whether an argumentative game like Mafia is for you. My town play should be defined from the end of my outburst on D2 to the end of D2. D1 I played like shit because of my bad start Beginning of D2 I got antagonized to death for no reason After JJD lynch I was too mad to play because this town made 2 dumb lynches in a row and didn't listen to me Mocsta case was pretty bad but I couldn't see Slam being scum But for those 12 or so hours I played really well. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:15 Mocsta wrote: I mean this constructively. Playing well for 12hrs.. means terrible for 100hrs. Mafia is a team game. Individual performances generally do not win games. The quicker you can admit that fake claim was terrible, the quicker you can improve. Further you fake claimed to lynch a townie and green check a scum... There is no way this is a good play..ever Well I was really confident in my read because Onegu was playing as scummy as hell. After his lynch I was going to say it was a fake-claim. Mafia isn't a full on team game. It's a game where 2-3 people try and find the scum and everyone else tries to look town and agree to lynch whoever puts the least effort into getting someone else lynched. | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:57 cDgCorazon wrote: What I'm trying to say is: Blame the others for my behavior this game. I was ridiculously frustrated w/ the decision to lynch JJD over Onegu. Why is this: -jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum More convincing than this: If Thrawn had a thought-out and convincing argument for JJD, I wouldn't be mad. But that is far from the case. I put in more effort to make a case that is 100000 times better than what Thrawn wrote. Why did town listen to Thrawn and not me? This is still a point and this needs to be brought up again. This town sheeped way too much and didn't even listen to a good argument. No one read this case until I asked them to. No one tried to poke holes in it. They all just nodded and said we could lynch Onegu until thrawn said "JJD is scum lynch him" and everyone bows down to him and says "OMG THRAWN U R THE GREATEST MAFIA PLAYER EVAR OFC WE WILL LYNCH JJD" | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:29 Aquanim wrote: ...Corazon, what you've said might be true of the other players in this thread, I don't know what they did. I can only speak for myself. I read your Onegu case. I went and read Onegu's posts for myself. I went and read JarJar's posts for myself. Then I decided that JJD was the lynch more likely to flip scum. As it turns out, neither of them would have done so. I appreciate the effort you put into your case on Onegu, but putting effort in doesn't automatically make you right. Nor does it mean everyone should automatically sheep whoever puts the most effort into their cases (if that was the case, we'd have sheeped Onegu's cases. Can't say I agreed with them either, but there was an assload of effort involved there.) To play this game you have to understand that other people do not think the same way as you and may disagree with you, even if they do not choose to or are unable to post exactly why they disagree with you. "Hey Cora, I disagree with you on this, this, and this point. I really don't think that this case is enough to convince me" If I had received a reply that my case was off or bad or wrong in any way I would not have reacted the way I did. However, all I received was. "I agree with you Corazon, I'm going to wait until Onegu's Mocsta case to see who I'm going to vote for" Onegu then made a terrible case that both Mocsta and I refuted, and then thrawn comes in and writes 3 sentences about how JJD is scum and then everyone votes for him. Everyone agreed with my case and then didn't vote Onegu. That doesn't make sense and after JJD's flip I was pretty incensed for this reason. Onegu was a 100x better lynch than JJD and I proved it. Everyone agreed and then they lied to me when they said they thought he was scummy. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:31 thrawn2112 wrote: it's not about feelings. it's about your wincon. if you're town that means it's about who is scum and who is not. in that scenario you referred to, neither of us were correct. injecting your emotions into the game, especially when they are negative can only decrease the quality of yours and everyone else's logic Since the town decided they didn't want to listen to me I decided I didn't want to listen to the town. It's not very emotional, it's just treating others the way you are treated. So next time I want to lynch someone, I'll just write 3 lines and vote for them. Thx for the advice. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:38 Aquanim wrote: I agree with you that Onegu's case on Mocsta was terrible (by which I mean it proved nothing about Mocsta), but there were some other posts he made towards the end of D2 (IIRC) which made me question my scumread of him. It was a feeling and as such very difficult to express in the thread but I decided I didn't want to lynch him based on those posts. Well saying that postgame helps so much doesn't it | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:41 Aquanim wrote: Also, Corazon, are you claiming Onegu was a better lynch than Holyflare the next day? My pride says yes My head says no | ||
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The point still stands that no one said why Onegu wasn't as good of a lynch besides "I get this town vibe from the last few posts" when that could be scum trying to save their hides. No one said a bad thing about my Onegu case. No one tried to fault my logic. No one told me where I was wrong. That is why I was mad. I wasn't mad because people weren't agreeing with me, I was made because they told me they agreed with me but they really didn't. | ||
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On December 03 2013 13:28 yamato77 wrote: Believe me, everyone could have played better than they did D1. In a majority lynch, every townie on the wagon is responsible for the mislynch. And even the ones not on the wagon, it's their responsibility to both argue down the townie wagon and propose a viable alternative lynch and make it convincing. Everyone. That's hard to do when all people can do for the last 12 hours is talking about Rayn. I was busy that day but even if I was in thread there wasn't much I could do to reverse the mob mentality. | ||
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Sure D3 and D4 I fucked up the town atmosphere, but don't make general statements saying I was the problem the whole game when I wasn't. | ||
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On December 03 2013 15:44 yamato77 wrote: You aren't really reading what I wrote, are you? I'm reading your advice and I'm trying to decide how much care I should put into my play. If I detach myself emotionally from my play then mentally I will stop trying to win the game. Did I do anything well this game? All I'm getting from you and everyone else is how shit I am and how caring about the game is bad and how scummy I looked the entire game and tbh I really don't care anymore about how shit I played this game. D1 I played bad but I did not mess w/town atmosphere - don't generalize my play D2 I played really well and tried better to establish my towniness which I think I did a really good job of by pushing my Onegu read D3/D4 I basically thought the scumteam was Chezinu/Onegu/HF and none of the three were proving me otherwise, so I stopped trying Maybe it's because everytime I try and steer town off of a mislynch and they don't listen to me is the reason I get so mad every game. I don't enjoy being mad and maybe you all should look at the causes of my anger before saying 'OMG CORA U R SUCH A DICK AND YOU SOLELY MAKE TOWN ATMOSPHERE BAD ' | ||
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On November 25 2013 16:14 cDgCorazon wrote: @Thrawn: First of all, you've seen what happens when my opinion isn't taken seriously: Rayn flipped town when he was obviously town JJD flipped town when Onegu was the better lynch Why do you think I'm going to claim that no one listens to me? If people had thought about my opinion for two seconds, Rayn might still be around (that is debatable, I'll admit) and Onegu would be lynched and he would probably be more likely to roll scum. This happens in a lot of my games and forces reactions after seeing yet another VT flip due to the town not listening and not reading my arguments (at least without me pushing them). Second of all, you took the post from me and didn't add any context. I wrote it after I had received the 20th post this game that was formatted exactly like this: Before you go on and simply call me a bully, you need to look at others and you need to understand how bullies are made. Bullies aren't made because they think they are better than everyone else, they are made because they are being bullied by someone else, and they feel like they need to pick on others. Well here is the cycle. I get picked on for no reason and for no purpose to the thread other than talking about how scummy I am with absolutely no intention to vote for me. Why does anyone do this? It makes no sense to make these sort of comments without pushing any agenda. It serves one purpose: to irritate and annoy me and throw me off of my game. You (and many others both in this game and on this forum) need to understand that bullying is a cycle, and is rarely a straight line. Back to game matters. I never told you to be a town leader and I never said I was a town leader during D2. I was only town leader due to being the only one active for the entire cycle. I called on you to be more active and while you did step up your game a little bit, it's not enough to help in the scum hunt. I voted for you not just to pick on you, I voted to get you in the thread. My vote for you could've been on JJD or Bereft or Aqua. It was just random choice that I threw it on you (I'd also like to point out that you randomly tried to start a lynch train on me D1, or have you forgotten already?)/ You're not on my train because you aren't active enough. You're doing better than D1 (which is why I don't want you lynched D3) but not enough to be considered for my proposed town circle. Do you understand how frustrated me/Moc/Aqua are about the lack of activity this game? It allows at least 5 people to lurk without fear. There aren't 5 scum in the game. It's just detrimental to have this much lurking in a game, and it's hurting us in the long run. Sorry for the long train of thought but that's what I want to say. Also this is a cause for my anger. | ||
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I can only take comfort in the fact that at least I understand what is going through my head when I play mafia. | ||
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@Onegu Before you call me a dick for the way I treated you this game, I yet again implore you to look at things through my eyes. You played super scummy the entire game. You put almost zero effort into the thread unless your were being attacked directly. You never tried to find scum outside of your terrible cases that were illogical and not very well reasoned. Why was I scum based only on things from D1? You basically brought all of the same arguments back and failed to look at anything else I had done this game. You went on and basically said all of the same things that I had said trying to get your lynch "Corazon is 100% scum" blah blah blah You even made a point against me where you tried to make 2 hours equal 11 hours. It was fucking pathetic and your failure to establish your townieness yet again was a major factor in the reason the town lost. Do you understand this? We spent 3 days talking about you because the town refused to lynch you but you never took any attempts to seriously scum hunt or establish your townieness. You just tunneled me and dicked around for 3 days. As someone who puts massive effort into their games, it annoys me when I see someone not care and ruin it for everyone else. And that is why I'm mad at you. This isn't the third grade. You don't get a medal just for participating. Your play is open to just as much criticism as mine. If you can't handle it, don't play this game. | ||
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I did not receive one single response to my case like this. So it wasn't a bad case then. Don't give me that hindsight bias bullshit JJD | ||
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My case was good it's the fact that Onegu just happened to be really scummy as VT | ||
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