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On November 24 2013 09:41 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 09:38 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 22 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2013 12:41 Mocsta wrote:On November 22 2013 12:32 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu is someone who prides himself in reading rayn, he even started to call him town at his last post before he afk'd. If he knew rayn was displaying his towny attributes why did he not try and convince any of you that he wasn't scum? Well, his last post was at like 3am.. i dunno So.. am I still scum to you? From what I've read so far, I mean, you of all people have played with rayn and that vote just now was pure policy. You know I have also played with rayn a lot and so when I call him town based on what I've read you shouldn't throw it away and still lynch him. Yes he may have been obnoxious and shit flinging but that is because he was quite clearly annoyed at people. He was emotionally invested. It is hard to fake it the way he did and whether he was annoying or not a towny is a towny. You actively went against a win con because you did not want to play with him again. THAT is scummy. There was Aqua who blatantly disregarded anything rayn said at all. The crux of it comes down to this: He had reads on people that disagreed with thread sentiment. He thought he was correct in those reads and shit things up, so what part of that would have been scummy to you? He went balls to the wall defending someone other people think is scum. Do you think he'd associate that strongly with someone if he was scum? That is not how rayn plays at all. On November 23 2013 16:23 Onegu wrote:
Also when are people going to realize this is a game of logic not emotion, rayn never personally attacks people, he only attacks thier gameplay. I have a problem when people are attacked with personal assults that have nothing to do with the game rayn never does this. Rayn forces his reads down your throat, and when he is throwning reads everywhere and changeing them constantly its difficult to follow, but when he tunnels onto someone most of the time he is right. And in this game say what you want rayn was playing the game and wanting to policy lynch him for it dumb. Mocsta you habe played multiple games with him why all of a sudden do you want to policy lynch him this game? Why are these posts basically the same? Why are they both attacking Mocsta and trying to pass the blame for the Rayn lynch solely on him? Cause they are scum! Do you think one of them could be town and the other one scum sheeping a convenient opinion?
To be honest they look like the exact same post and neither of them were followed up with any suspicion on Mocsta. I think it's more likely that HF was trying to distance himself from the lynch and Onegu is trying to pretend to scum-hunt to gain the town cred he so desperately needs right now. I could see both of them trying this.
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Btw trying to attack Jampi is probably not going to work. He's probably getting replaced. Perhaps Rean will too.
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On November 24 2013 09:47 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 09:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 24 2013 09:41 Aquanim wrote:On November 24 2013 09:38 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 22 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2013 12:41 Mocsta wrote:On November 22 2013 12:32 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu is someone who prides himself in reading rayn, he even started to call him town at his last post before he afk'd. If he knew rayn was displaying his towny attributes why did he not try and convince any of you that he wasn't scum? Well, his last post was at like 3am.. i dunno So.. am I still scum to you? From what I've read so far, I mean, you of all people have played with rayn and that vote just now was pure policy. You know I have also played with rayn a lot and so when I call him town based on what I've read you shouldn't throw it away and still lynch him. Yes he may have been obnoxious and shit flinging but that is because he was quite clearly annoyed at people. He was emotionally invested. It is hard to fake it the way he did and whether he was annoying or not a towny is a towny. You actively went against a win con because you did not want to play with him again. THAT is scummy. There was Aqua who blatantly disregarded anything rayn said at all. The crux of it comes down to this: He had reads on people that disagreed with thread sentiment. He thought he was correct in those reads and shit things up, so what part of that would have been scummy to you? He went balls to the wall defending someone other people think is scum. Do you think he'd associate that strongly with someone if he was scum? That is not how rayn plays at all. On November 23 2013 16:23 Onegu wrote:
Also when are people going to realize this is a game of logic not emotion, rayn never personally attacks people, he only attacks thier gameplay. I have a problem when people are attacked with personal assults that have nothing to do with the game rayn never does this. Rayn forces his reads down your throat, and when he is throwning reads everywhere and changeing them constantly its difficult to follow, but when he tunnels onto someone most of the time he is right. And in this game say what you want rayn was playing the game and wanting to policy lynch him for it dumb. Mocsta you habe played multiple games with him why all of a sudden do you want to policy lynch him this game? Why are these posts basically the same? Why are they both attacking Mocsta and trying to pass the blame for the Rayn lynch solely on him? Cause they are scum! Do you think one of them could be town and the other one scum sheeping a convenient opinion? To be honest they look like the exact same post and neither of them were followed up with any suspicion on Mocsta. I think it's more likely that HF was trying to distance himself from the lynch and Onegu is trying to pretend to scum-hunt to gain the town cred he so desperately needs right now. I could see both of them trying this. I'm not certain I understood the point correctly. Are you saying that they are both scum for having the same opinion, or each of them is scum individually because they have that opinion and it's scummy?
The second one
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On November 24 2013 09:59 Holyflare wrote:
Also, some guy asked me to claim my flavour at some point, I think it was bereft? What is the point of that when scum get fake claims?
What's the point of claiming doctor in the first place. If you're going to do something stupid you might as well go all the way.
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On November 24 2013 09:58 Aquanim wrote:
Corazon, do you think Sciberbia is scum?
I'm not very confident in sciberia being scum. I appreciate the quality of his posts and the transparency he has shown throughout most of the game. I don't want to lynch him today.
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Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:
I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though.
This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't.
After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself?
+ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit.
Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset.
He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games.
Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out
This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet:
+ Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn
Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched.
Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him.
I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game.
TL;DR
1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard
2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post.
3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft)
4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched
There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today.
I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions.
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On November 24 2013 10:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 10:27 Aquanim wrote:
Also @Holyflare: Did it occur to you that the best way to deal with any suspicions on you today would be to play well and convince us you were town, rather than claiming a town PR? Yes, but I can't, so claiming a town PR is what I did. Also, if you don't like my attitude, policy lynch me. Town quite clearly has no qualms about doing that. I can act how I please thank you very much.
^Scum mindset^ (he's hiding under
Town mindset: I'm under the gun but if I play better and try to find a lynch I think people will see that I'm town
If you guys aren't down with lynching Onegu I'd be fine with lynching HF
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EBWOP: ^Scum mindset^ (he's hiding under his claim)
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On November 24 2013 11:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 10:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
EBWOP: ^Scum mindset^ (he's hiding under his claim) If you really think I play scum by claiming doctor and posting next to nothing to look towny you are actually dumb and have not done what I asked. Like I said, go read actual games I have played in.
Why are you using your claim as an excuse for doing nothing?
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On November 24 2013 11:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Cora, are you a doc and that's why you don't buy HFs claim? Threre's no reason to keep it secret if it's true since scum will likely suspect you anyway.
I'm not a doc. The claim is just really ridiculous.
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@sci
No, I don't think Mocsta is scum. I think he's just being Mocsta. This same kind of random-ass tunnel crap he's given is the same reason Rayn is dead. I don't think it's because Mocsta is scum, I think it is because Mocsta is trying to chase every single thing that makes someone a potential scum member.
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On November 24 2013 12:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
##Vote: JarJarDrinks
I might can do the Onegu thing but I need to reaffirm my position on him. I am much more confident about JarJar for the reasons I posted in the "notes" spoiler and what I said in my last quote.
Please vote Onegu I spent like an hour on that case and you are the only one who has acknowledged its existence...
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Guys. Stop with the Mocsta crap. I've played a bajillion games with him and he's just being Mocsta. Lynching the two people who drive the thread D1 and D2 would basically be a death sentence for the town (unless Mocsta is scum then it would be good but I doubt it).
Mocsta being really obvious and clear with his random vote-switches is a town tell, just like it was with Rayn.
Going to go re-read the Thrawn/JJD stuff
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On November 24 2013 13:12 Bereft wrote:*confident, not confidant i'm not saying this is damning, but this is quite interesting... mocsta to onegu: Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 17:39 Mocsta wrote:On November 23 2013 17:30 Onegu wrote:On November 23 2013 17:18 Mocsta wrote:On November 23 2013 16:23 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta you habe played multiple games with him why all of a sudden do you want to policy lynch him this game? Why is this relevant? My explanations are in the filter; I also suspect, that whatever I answer: (A) you won't believe me; (B) you will still think I am scummy. Seriously Onegu, make your case and then realise that this game requires a majority to lynch. You won't get a majority to lynch me --> which means you efforts on me are completely wasted --> Feigning contribution. I wanted Rayn lynched not because at the end i thought he was scummy; but because *I* thought that he would prevent town securing a majority lynch in the future cycles. I don't care whether the observers think that is a terrible decision because they are not playing in this game. In the situation: this was the decision I thought was best for town. I did not, nor do I have the means to force anyone to vote. Realise that enough people agreed with this to secure a Rayn lynch. Since when is makeing a case on someone I find scummy to be a waste if I am town, I fully expect scum to push my lynch today. Then when I flip my case wont be wasted ie people see Im town and look at my scum reads, and since we will have two town lynched and no nk and those two town have the same reads then the rest of the town should pay attention to that. Also Ill look for it in your filter but if I dont find why you say this game is differnt Ill be very disapoint you didnt answer my question because I will a) find it scummy or b) not believe you, because if its legit, no your prolly right im fairly hard tunneled on you, but maybe some other people that would believe you and find my question valid. You are hard tunneled, because I answered your question in my reply. I was stating that the same response in is my filter. You said scum will be pushing you this cycle.As far as I know, the only person with an agenda to come after you *solely* is Sciberbia. Do you have a updated opinion on Scibs? mocsta to artanis in marv's game: Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 09:53 Mocsta wrote:
Running behind schedule, works a bitch today and Im only up to p124.
Things I want to say before deadline.
(1) Artanis: You are tunneled.
Your issues with me are because I do not play the game the same way you choose to.
That is not an indicator of scum. Everyone that has played with me many times realises this is how I play town.
Further, all your reads on other players hinge upon their thought process on me. You should know association reads are terribad.
You are obsessed beyond reason.
Unfortunately, the way you walk people through your mindset makes me lean town.
You need to drop this; or if you can't, fine -- Accept there are other players in the game that *must* be scum and look there.
Wow. You didn't read my case. Did you?
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Looking at the thrawn/JJD stuff I think Thrawn's vote is really hasty and not very well supported
JJD's attempt to get me to claim is really stupid but I don't think it's scummy. It's something I could see someone posting and then realizing that it is a dumb idea.
It's really sad that you two are going at each other instead of going after people who are way more scummier, such as Onegu/HF
@all: I've heard a lot of talk that people are waiting on Onegu's case on Mocsta to pass judgement on him. If this case never materializes (which given Onegu's track record is a very likely possibility), would anyone object to lynching him?
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@holyflare: Who do you want lynched and why?
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Oh come on we were having good discussion and now everyone afks T.T
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Well I just complained about everyone afking and then you posted XD
Care to respond to this?
On November 24 2013 13:14 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 13:12 Bereft wrote:*confident, not confidant i'm not saying this is damning, but this is quite interesting... mocsta to onegu: On November 23 2013 17:39 Mocsta wrote:On November 23 2013 17:30 Onegu wrote:On November 23 2013 17:18 Mocsta wrote:On November 23 2013 16:23 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta you habe played multiple games with him why all of a sudden do you want to policy lynch him this game? Why is this relevant? My explanations are in the filter; I also suspect, that whatever I answer: (A) you won't believe me; (B) you will still think I am scummy. Seriously Onegu, make your case and then realise that this game requires a majority to lynch. You won't get a majority to lynch me --> which means you efforts on me are completely wasted --> Feigning contribution. I wanted Rayn lynched not because at the end i thought he was scummy; but because *I* thought that he would prevent town securing a majority lynch in the future cycles. I don't care whether the observers think that is a terrible decision because they are not playing in this game. In the situation: this was the decision I thought was best for town. I did not, nor do I have the means to force anyone to vote. Realise that enough people agreed with this to secure a Rayn lynch. Since when is makeing a case on someone I find scummy to be a waste if I am town, I fully expect scum to push my lynch today. Then when I flip my case wont be wasted ie people see Im town and look at my scum reads, and since we will have two town lynched and no nk and those two town have the same reads then the rest of the town should pay attention to that. Also Ill look for it in your filter but if I dont find why you say this game is differnt Ill be very disapoint you didnt answer my question because I will a) find it scummy or b) not believe you, because if its legit, no your prolly right im fairly hard tunneled on you, but maybe some other people that would believe you and find my question valid. You are hard tunneled, because I answered your question in my reply. I was stating that the same response in is my filter. You said scum will be pushing you this cycle.As far as I know, the only person with an agenda to come after you *solely* is Sciberbia. Do you have a updated opinion on Scibs? mocsta to artanis in marv's game: On November 18 2013 09:53 Mocsta wrote:
Running behind schedule, works a bitch today and Im only up to p124.
Things I want to say before deadline.
(1) Artanis: You are tunneled.
Your issues with me are because I do not play the game the same way you choose to.
That is not an indicator of scum. Everyone that has played with me many times realises this is how I play town.
Further, all your reads on other players hinge upon their thought process on me. You should know association reads are terribad.
You are obsessed beyond reason.
Unfortunately, the way you walk people through your mindset makes me lean town.
You need to drop this; or if you can't, fine -- Accept there are other players in the game that *must* be scum and look there.
Wow. You didn't read my case. Did you?
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I think we should leave it a bit more up in the air. I get the feeling that if Onegu is allowed to lurk, he will. HF/Onegu are both very good lynches, and I think it will be hard to choose which one is best.
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