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On November 21 2013 12:51 Mocsta wrote: Aquanim Something fresh, Bereft finally contributed. Thoughts? The stuff about Corazon is mostly old hat, been talked to death already. Bereft appears to place significantly more weight on it as a scum tell than I would personally. However, I think I can ascribe that to my previous experience with Corazon; I know that Corazon does have a tendency to grab on to little things like that "copying" post from Sciberbia, whereas Bereft probably doesn't have the history with Corazon to be as aware of that. tl;dr it's not particularly original but I can understand where bereft is coming from. The stuff about Rean more interesting. I'd forgotten that Rean had given a scum read on Corazon which was inconsistent with his posts before and afterward, and that is a damn fine point. Hell, even in that post itself he's backpedalling away from the Corazon read. It's hard to read because of the formatting but I think Bereft raises a good point here. I won't be confident in a read on Bereft until he's up to date with the thread and gives his reads in that light, since it's difficult to assess Bereft's state of mind when I don't know what he's aware of and what he's not. That being said I like what I've seen so far from him, he does seem to be applying critical thought to the game. | ||
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On November 21 2013 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Aquanim do you have a feeling sciberbia is trying to convince you into lynching Onegu or what is your interpretation of what he is trying to do when he is talking with you? I think sciberbia is trying to convince me that Onegu is the most likely person to flip scum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:04 Rean wrote: 1. I did consider multiple possibilities but the more I thought about it the more you being scum made sense to me over you being town, and rereading only reconfirmed it for me. 2. Yes, my suspicions of you along with not really liking Sciberbia's play make me prefer lynching you over Onegu despite his scumminess. 3. It just feels off. Mocsta starts suspecting Onegu while still voting for you, and in comes Scib with a case to take the heat of you and switch it to Onegu. But maybe I'm trying too hard to make everything fit with my suspicions of you... So you "thought about it" and that convinced you I was scum? I'd like to hear some more specifics about that. What exactly in your rereading confirmed my alignment in your view? + Show Spoiler + It is my view that holding players accountable for their stated opinions and requiring evidence is an important part of maintaining a productive town atmosphere. | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote: How unexpected. You're put under pressure and you instantly accuse me to try to prove me wrong about you, but 2 posts later you're already looking for arguments to back out of it like + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote: Short answer to Thrawn's case: I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them. Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them. For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning. This, combined with what Thrawn already said (not gonna waste time parroting), really gives me a bad feeling about you. Enough for a ##Vote: Aquanim His arguments here are: 1) OMGUS (whatever) 2) claiming I'm trying to back out of my scumread on him (patently untrue) 3) claiming that my reasons for thinking Corazon was scum were weak (arguable, but the real question here is "Did Aquanim in fact believe those reasons" to which the answer is yes.) Most of Thrawn's case which he cites is no longer relevant, I've been a great deal more proactive since then. I don't see how he can honestly believe this case. Whenever I've asked Rean about his read on me he's been dodging and not offering any more specifics, while remaining adamant in his read (though he claims to have "reassessed" I've seen no reason to believe that's true, he's just as irrationally obstinate as before). Whenever he's asked about his read on anyone else he's faffed about and avoided committing to anything. Admitting Onegu is scummy while not liking the wagon on him because "oh teh noes it's drawing away momentum from the Aqua wagon" is ridiculous. He's given no in-depth thoughts on Onegu or indeed on anybody else, apart from the trash he's come after me with. If I hadn't already voted for him I'd do it now. I'm quite confident Rean is scum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote: Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @Onegu Could you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? | ||
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I think you make a decent point about LoneMeow with the "I could agree", but I'm hesitant to assign a great deal of weight to a single choice of wording. I agree that the slot's certainly not towny-looking at this point and so Holyflare has some work to do. Come to think of it, I think LoneMeow (as scum) gave me a town read at a time when thread sentiment was against me in Newbie XLIII (link). The conditions were a little different in that the case against me in that game was utter trash and the players with the greatest thread presence were against my lynch, but IIRC I still had a fair few votes on me at the time. I dunno that the similarity means much, except that LM is comfortable rowing against a popular town lynch as scum. tl;dr I'm happy to wait and see what Holyflare makes of the slot. | ||
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On November 21 2013 23:02 jampidampi wrote: Aquanim First of all, you fail at reading: I consider your justification for your townish read on Corazon to be minimal bordering on insufficient considering you raised multiple points against him, but I'm willing to let that lie for the moment. Second, you didn't even address the point I hold against you in that post. You basicly admit that it has no other motive than making me look worse. I ignored your point because it was bullshit and not worth my time. Why should I have replied to you immediately? Aqua is also very conscious about his image: Considering that at one point I was one vote away from majority, are you suggesting that as a townie I shouldn't have been concerned about how I looked? because that's bollocks | ||
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On November 21 2013 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: The difference between Aquanim and Rean is both have made bad posts & contradicted themselves but unlike Aquanim, Rean admits he made a mistake or worded his thought poorly when it's pointed out. Aquanim makes up new reasons for his argument or licks strong players asses to make himself look better to them. And that is a fucking fact. You're entitled to your opinion of my play. I claim you're full of shit and that I don't "lick strong players asses" - I may agree with them sometimes, but only people like you never agree with strong players under any conditions. Regardless, if this is a comment on my style of play rather than you claiming anything about my alignment it can wait until postgame. | ||
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On November 21 2013 23:43 jampidampi wrote: I raised only one point against him, me not liking his opening post. How does "I don't understand" make you believe I hold it against him? I was looking for an explanation. How was it bullshit? I proved that your motives behind that post weren't coming from wanting to adress my post, because if you would have wanted to adress my post you could have done it then. You were clearly in the thread a good portion of time after my post, but didn't address it until way later. And, like I've already said, I didn't address you at all at the time because I wanted to see if you would elaboarate on your reads or indeed do anything else useful without being prompted. You may believe that that's an entirely unbelievable reason for me to leave you alone for some time - if you believe that, I have no answer other than "You're wrong". We're going in circles here and I don't see anything further to be gained by discussing this with you. You obviously believe that that one post and whatever other tired old arguments you've raised is sufficient justification for clinging to my wagon. Whether that means you're obstinate, tunneled or just scum is a question I intend to leave for another day. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: raynpelikoneet Far too much "REAN ISN'T SCUM AND YOU'LL ALL BE SORRY WHEN HE FLIPS" and far too little "XXX IS SCUM YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS FOR NOT VOTING FOR HIM". I'd expect the latter from a town Rayn based on my knowledge of him. | ||
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On November 22 2013 05:00 cDgCorazon wrote: This lynch is so stupid. I can't believe you guys let Mocsta take you by the balls and vote out Rayn just because they were having an ego fight. Lol no. I want to lynch Rayn because I don't believe he plays this way as town. Rayn tunnels, it's what he does. Do you seriously believe this sequence of events from a town Rayn: - Rayn wants to lynch Bereft/Onegu - A bunch of votes materialises in Rayn - Rayn's now willing to lynch Jampidampi My impresssion from my quick read of what's happened since I went to sleep is that this trend is continuing: Rayn doesn't give a damn who we lynch today as long as it's not Rean. | ||
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@Corazon Why are you voting for Rayn? Do you think he's scum? | ||
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On November 22 2013 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + I laugh at all these people who claim they can read me. the only person who can actually read me is marvellosity (maybe Hapa). you are all so bad You can laugh after you flip. | ||
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On November 22 2013 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I suggest you start contributing Aquanim. Because you can't be 100% sure i am scum. And if you don't, after i flip people see you took the easy way out. Tell me, why am i scum? On November 22 2013 07:13 Aquanim wrote: Lol no. I want to lynch Rayn because I don't believe he plays this way as town. Rayn tunnels, it's what he does. Do you seriously believe this sequence of events from a town Rayn: - Rayn wants to lynch Bereft/Onegu - A bunch of votes materialises in Rayn - Rayn's now willing to lynch Jampidampi My impresssion from my quick read of what's happened since I went to sleep is that this trend is continuing: Rayn doesn't give a damn who we lynch today as long as it's not Rean. Add to that now Mocsta and JarJarDrinks... and each of your cases is trashier and more desperate than the last. The fact of the matter is that I'm under no obligation to prove to you that you're scum. | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is everyone saying "rayn is scum because he does not give a fuck about who we lynch as long as that is not Rean"? How does that make me scum? Do you agree that you don't give a fuck about who we lynch as long as it's not Rean, or are you merely saying it for the sake of the argument? | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I just made a case on JJD. wtf are you talking about? Do you even read the thread. Of course i fucking care about who we lynch. I just don't want to lynch town. Sure you made some shitty fabricated case, whatever. I could make cases all day on just about anyone if I tried, and if I wanted to. What I don't buy is that your suspicions of JJD appeared so quickly and erased your suspicions of Jampidampi/Onegu/me/whoever the hell else you've wanted to lynch apart from Mocsta and Bereft. The mere fact that you're shifting between lynches so quickly means you aren't serious about trying to get your scumread lynched. And like I said, town Rayn tunnels, he doesn't jump from lynch to lynch to lynch like this. As for those scumslips. The Mocsta one isn't a scumslip at all, asking "Have you been mislynched before?" doesn't mean in any way that he thinks you're a mislynch today. The Bereft one is better, but there's no way I'm lynching someone based on something which is almost certainly a typo whatever his alignment. | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is everyone saying "rayn is scum because he does not give a fuck about who we lynch as long as that is not Rean"? How does that make me scum? Oh, and in reference to this post. I would consider these typical behaviours: A townie looks at a point against them and says "That doesn't make me scum". A good townie looks at a point against them and says "That doesn't make me scum, and here's why I did it". A scumster looks at a point against them and asks "How does that prove I'm scum?" This post by Rayn is definitely in the third bucket. | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah except that i actually do give a fuck about who do we lynch. Your arguments are "rayn is scum because he defended Rean". You're dumb. Most likely not scum but really dumb. Yeah I'm not interested in your opinion on whether you care about who we lynch. You obviously don't even understand my argument if you think "rayn is scum because he defended Rean" is my point here. I have a low enough opinion of you to think you could conceivably believe that's my argument if you're town, but I find it far easier to believe you're deliberately obtuse scum. And now you want to lynch Thrawn? lol. just lol. | ||
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