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On December 02 2013 12:11 Bereft wrote: man, this game sure degenerated quickly. and to think i thought this game might finally reverse my 0% TL win rate. G_G Whats your read on me now. | ||
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On December 02 2013 12:15 cDgCorazon wrote: GG scum. You guys played well but when Rayn and Onegu are both town, the hosts need to give us more mislynches or a killing role XD Are you scum claiming or something? Your reaction to dropping me as a read is not natural even with a Onegu flip. Im surprised you admit 50% is association based, because you werent doing this before. | ||
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Bereft the stuff you say scibs is in the same page... Did he comment first or plus 1??? | ||
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On December 02 2013 17:07 sciberbia wrote: unghhh god why is this game so hard sorry Onegu. gg ugh sorry everyone. I'm really disappointed in my reads this game. But with any luck I'll be able to redeem myself. If we win from here it'll go down as one of the best comebacks ever. Cora if you are town don't get yourself modkilled. It isn't over yet (maybe). Fingers crossed. *yawn* Bereft, does this diatribe of nothingness mimic your mindset too? | ||
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This will be so disappointing. The simple solution is probably slam plus scib The win in style is prob cora plus scib. But frankly I would be shocked if this was true. | ||
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Grrrr. I feel this game could have been won if it wasn't majority lynch I felt that mechanic made this game more about postulating and campaigning. In hindsight we probably should have no lynched, but then you risk being counter lynched. Sigh | ||
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Like I was the only person that filter dived holyflare and chezinu. This is unacceptable. | ||
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I should have played better. Too transparent. Anyways , keen for feedback pls. I think I had a good start and then coukdnt recover after the rayn episode. Plus my constant doubt if sciberbia made me appear wishy washy to everyone. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:11 cDgCorazon wrote: My town play should be defined from the end of my outburst on D2 to the end of D2. D1 I played like shit because of my bad start Beginning of D2 I got antagonized to death for no reason After JJD lynch I was too mad to play because this town made 2 dumb lynches in a row and didn't listen to me Mocsta case was pretty bad but I couldn't see Slam being scum But for those 12 or so hours I played really well. I mean this constructively. Playing well for 12hrs.. means terrible for 100hrs. Mafia is a team game. Individual performances generally do not win games. The quicker you can admit that fake claim was terrible, the quicker you can improve. Further you fake claimed to lynch a townie and green check a scum... There is no way this is a good play..ever | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: haha, i'm nearly as bad as Mocsta was in LXII! ^^ Nah Corazon dethroned me I reckon or hope haha Sigh. | ||
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ohh well. I disagree with Rayn on so many levels about this game and his comments in the ObsQT but in the end, hes entitled to his opinion and i won't be changing that any time soon. Will just have to agree to disagree. Unfortunately I don't know what to do in situations like Onegu/Rayn as town. Both guys I fluctuated in my reads and tried to offer them an olive branch, and they spit it back. I suppose I am making an emotional connection by getting agitated by that gesture that I pursue them for lynch. I also suppose the natural reaction is for scum to get off the noose, so the tell is more indicative of town. I *really* didnt want to lynch Onegu that cycle, but he didnt want to join me with Sciberbia. I *really* did want to lynch Rayn. When he martryed; I had a 80/20 read on him (which he keeps harping on about) after the mislynch comment (where I was genuinely considering him to be town) I thought he was town, and turned into a 100% policy lynch. Rayns problem is that he assumes peoples comments are stagnant.. i.e. once its said, its said... maybe for him his process of thought flows like that.. but when I am town, I constantly re-evaluate information. The one thign that really pissed me off this game was discussion about town atmosphere Day1. The first half was perfect... we had all 3 scum down. Thrawn nailed LoneMeow I was all over Sciberbia and Aqua started Rean ---> This was also evident in the ScumQT. In one fell swoop this all disappeared. I am not going to blame individuals here because its pointless. Moreso, that was really frustrating to see. What started as a perfect game then denigrated to an abysmal mess culminating in a series of fake-claims that were intentionally planned off emotion not logic. Quick notes on people to meet the brief of playing this game: Rean - Managed to walk a fine line between new town / scummy during early game. I do think if you didn't replace you would have been caught though. Hard to give suggestions with such low content. thrawn2112 - Great early start. Started to fade out towards the end. I don't have any suggestions on what you could do to improve as you were direct with thoughts, but also listened to others with consideration. JJD - You played like a quintessential 'worker' townie. I think the sudden drop in activity was your down fall. I don't really know what more you could have done other than be more present. I thought you played well in establishing your townieness. Corazon - Nothing I can say here. Yes, you made it clear you were town vs scum and I suppose thats it. Your case on me was terrible, and it should not have taken Onegu being lynched to come to that realisation. Rayn - I dunno what happened. You started off well and went off the rails. My thoughts at the time were pretty clear, I explained I couldn't follow how you went from Rean is scum to Rean is town. Further, when I voiced these concerns you refused to join me in conversation. I dont care what happened afterwards. As town, being right is not even 10% of winning a game. You have to find a lynch, and campaign the lynch and achieve buy-in. You did everything in your power to lose credibiliity and that is FACT. Honestly if this game wasnt majority lynch, i would have let you live. But as I stated clearly in my filter (which you choose to ignore) I wanted you dead because I felt you would cause town to never consolidate. Whether that is right or wrong, can be discused now in post-game. Aquanim - Really shaky start. Felt distant and emotionally disconnected - which as per the obsqt you were trying to achieve. Later on became more involved and obviously became town. I think if I hadn't played with you in newbies you would have been a strong town read for the majority of the game. Because I had played with you in the newbies, I had expectations of you trying to not necessarily lead the town; but at least be an independent voicing issues -- you did gravitate towards this eventually. I think its hard in your case: you are more an analyser so need content; but may not necessarily be a generator (like rayn / myself). But as town you want to be present to indicate you are keen. Hence you are present but not doing much -- which summates your early Day1 which you got called out scummy for. Perhaps the best course of action is to be patient and wait for more content?? Onegu - I dunno what to say here either. I kept thinking you were town and everytime I gave you a chance you would throw it back at me. This is probably my fault more than yours because I should have realised that a tunneled townie is completely capable of this behaviour. I guess where I waivered was before your mislynch, where you were starting to not consider me as scum anymore.. and then once corazon posted his case, i became scum again. Again, my fault as that is plausible behaviuor for a tunneled town.. sigh Holyflare - Good work buying time and good fake claim. It was obvious you were scum but I had the track record where I couldnt push for that lynch. Played the blazinghand role to a tee. Sciberbia - Look you played well. Biggest thing I could say is to lift up activity end game as that really sold you as scum. I had lost too much credibility by that stage to push you though. Having said that, Corazons fake claim gave you too much free credibility as everyone (including from myself). I really think you gave yourself away early game with the attack on corazon though. Managed to settle in well-ish after though. jampidampi - Nothing to say. I really thought my case on him was good. sigh Chezinu - Did a great job of baiting a blue snipe. I dunno how I would rank him if he wasn't shot. I dont think I coudl walk away from not lynching him. | ||
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On December 03 2013 13:28 yamato77 wrote: But the mislynch was intentional.Believe me, everyone could have played better than they did D1. In a majority lynch, every townie on the wagon is responsible for the mislynch. And even the ones not on the wagon, it's their responsibility to both argue down the townie wagon and propose a viable alternative lynch and make it convincing. Everyone. Either way, Im curious to hear what you say after the read. I would love some pointers on how to not come across as "changing mind" all the time; whilst, trying to move the thread forward with new ideas/content. | ||
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On December 03 2013 13:41 Bereft wrote: moc, why aren't i on your list?  I forgot haha Bereft - You became super town from Day2 to me because you acted as a voice of reason. Thats really hard to pull off as scum. I wasn't bothered that you thought I was scum; because you indicated you would still listen - which is really imporant for town. As an aside, this becomes a problem for Onegu because unlike him. you actually followed your suspicion on me with a vote. I don't blame you for holding onto your town read on Sciberbia.. but i do blame you for not neglecting what I said about Sciberbia. Specifically, are you two in sync because he said things first.. or because he +1'd you. I think considering the amount of activity you could muster, you played very well... HOWEVER, you needed more due to the game circumstances. You were a universal town read and a "VET" so towards end game, was the only person that could push consolidation..but you were never present. This became a major issue when i was gone for 2 days. You had to carry the torch and didn't/couldn't. I'm telling you this because I don't know if you realised the responsiblity you had based on the claims/thread sentiment. | ||
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Recently, scummy. Sigh. | ||
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But I do agree with the above. It's really hard not to post in those moments but yes . The best solution is probably to hold off pressing that post button and re read in 5min time. | ||
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I'm very guilty of being too excited to make a "content" and update later. Definitely need to eliminate that in general. | ||
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I knew thrawn was town because at different times either of us had the same thought first and/or posted at the same time. Full credit to scib for having a grasp of thread sentiment. My plan was once u admitted he was +1 u.. I would show u how he plus 1d me to have no input. But we never got that far | ||
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